Super Six: Froch vs Dirrell

[slip&counter]

very intriguing fight, lots of intangibles.

Dirrell has the better footwork, handspeed, agility and athleticism and is also slicker. He tends to switch hit ineffectively though and just for the sake of it as supposed to someone like Ward who uses it well for combat effectiveness. Dirrell relies on a block game rather then slipping and he's the more effective boxer puncher. many unanswered questions about him though like, his chin, heart, how he reacts to adversity and so on......two main problems for Dirrell are his inexperience and tendency to square up as he switches from southpaw to orthodox.

Froch as we know is a one dimentional fighter, he trys to box but lacks the fundamentals, he's stronger then dirrell and a better pressure fighter, he's more experienced and has tasted a higher level plus he's at home. Froch paws with his jab which will leave him to counters, he fights with his face although he has a very good beard. He's got this very bad habit of taking his right hand away from his guard after throwing a jab and literally pulling it back almost behind his head (like someone stretching after just waking up) in the opposite direction of the jab. this will leave him open to looping single shots particularly the left hook as dirrell switches. Carl is a sloppy fighter who swings very wide however there's a chance he catches dirrell with a killer right although it won't be the timing veriety of a technical assasin.

Two major keys to this fight: Whose stronger and can dirrell play keep away. Dirrell is not accomplished at this level and has been seen to be pressured easily. I think hanshaw had him buzzed which ain't a good sign for him, how will he deal with being away from home with a fighter who'll take him to places he hasnt been before?

I think Dirrell may have a lot of upside but he's up against the hardest style for him from the gate. Dirrell is not comfortable in keeping space and distance and not disciplined enough for outboxing over 12 rounds. He'll come in square up and leave that stationary head ripe for a Cobra right cross. Second half of the fight Frochy just walks him down and probabily ends it late. I think the inexperience and being away will take its toll on him. He'll need something special to take this one.


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[Mandanda]

I see great fight between these two!!

I see Dirrell starting off fast looking good...settling into world level with ease and boxing off the back foot well and tagging a on coming Froch with flashy combination's and pot shots and moving away. Froch as normal will stalk and look to catch Dirrell with hard shots to welcome him to world level. He may give away early rounds as he lets Dirrell work off back foot. There's signs it can turn into a cracking fight as Dirrell gets clipped a few times and he reply's back but i think will try hard to avoid trading with Froch. As the fight goes on from round 4 to 8 i see Froch taking some rounds and catching Dirrell and starting to put it on Dirrell.

Dirrell now is starting to show some of the green that we were concerned about he's switch hitting is to risky and he's getting caught and also starting to unravel under the intense pressure. He's now backing up into corners and not looking as slick. He still doing well but there's signs of him getting flustered he is also looking a bit tired....Froch by 8-10 is catching up with him and hitting him with good clean shots especially short jab right over top as Dirrell backs up in straight line. Froch will starting timing his movements and start to land high looping shots.

Dirrell will make the mistake of backing up into corner like did in first 20 seconds of Hamshaw fight and late in fight will be caught and hurt and Froch will stalk and make him pay and stop him by round 11. Dirrell is nice to watch but takes to many risks especially the switch hitting....he backs himself into corner and can be caught and also shows signs that if hurt will trade. I see him falling short....it's ok him saying i will be complete in this fight...no mistakes but he hasn't mixed at this level and when he taking risks as if it second nature i don't see him staying disciplined for full 12 rounds and i expect Froch to perform a lot better then last time out.

Dirrell has strength and fast flashy shots but i'm concerned that his game plan will be to cautious and he will struggle to fight off back foot for so long. To me he looks ragged at times and doesn't look as slick as Ward and i think it will end in game defeat for the young yank.

Froch TKO 9-11 Rounds!!!

[achillesthegreat]

This may be one of those fights where amateur and pro makes a big difference.

When Froch is facing guys like Taylor, even Pascal and Dirrel, he needs to take control quicker or risk a salvage job late on.

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I see great fight between these two!!

I see Dirrell starting off fast looking good...settling into world level with ease and boxing off the back foot well and tagging a on coming Froch with flashy combination's and pot shots and moving away. Froch as normal will stalk and look to catch Dirrell with hard shots to welcome him to world level. He may give away early rounds as he lets Dirrell work off back foot. There's signs it can turn into a cracking fight as Dirrell gets clipped a few times and he reply's back but i think will try hard to avoid trading with Froch. As the fight goes on from round 4 to 8 i see Froch taking some rounds and catching Dirrell and starting to put it on Dirrell.

Dirrell now is starting to show some of the green that we were concerned about he's switch hitting is to risky and he's getting caught and also starting to unravel under the intense pressure. He's now backing up into corners and not looking as slick. He still doing well but there's signs of him getting flustered he is also looking a bit tired....Froch by 8-10 is catching up with him and hitting him with good clean shots especially short jab right over top as Dirrell backs up in straight line. Froch will starting timing his movements and start to land high looping shots.

Dirrell will make the mistake of backing up into corner like did in first 20 seconds of Hamshaw fight and late in fight will be caught and hurt and Froch will stalk and make him pay and stop him by round 11. Dirrell is nice to watch but takes to many risks especially the switch hitting....he backs himself into corner and can be caught and also shows signs that if hurt will trade. I see him falling short....it's ok him saying i will be complete in this fight...no mistakes but he hasn't mixed at this level and when he taking risks as if it second nature i don't see him staying disciplined for full 12 rounds and i expect Froch to perform a lot better then last time out.

Dirrell has strength and fast flashy shots but i'm concerned that his game plan will be to cautious and he will struggle to fight off back foot for so long. To me he looks ragged at times and doesn't look as slick as Ward and i think it will end in game defeat for the young yank.

Froch TKO 9-11 Rounds!!!

very good post, I totally agree mandanda :good

I haven't seen to much of Dirrell (only the hanshaw and oganov fights) he looked somewhat slick, but anyone can look good against that sort of opposition, its a whole different thing to produce it against a pressure fighter like froch, who takes lots of shots, has plenty of heart and just keeps coming in his own backyard, its key this fight being in nothingham because Froch looks to be a different animal when fighting at home. heres a question does he beat Pascal if that was in quebec?

Having said that Dirrell will pose different problems then Taylor, he's stronger, bigger and smarter (although thats not difficult) its well balanced because if dirrel answers some those unanswered questions, not gass and box's smarter, froch could be made to order for him. He'll surely be smarter then taylor though, can't see him losing it with seconds to go. Taylor in that last round displayed some of the worst survival tactics in the HISTORY OF BOXING. I'm not saying Carl didn't do his job but you can't tell me Dirrell is gonna go out like that....no matter how young he is. Forget stamina and strength for a minute.....point blank....boxing 101. Jermaine Taylor is a retard and this Dirrel kid is slick. this is why i can't wait for this thing.

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why do people vote but never comment? :lol:

[essexboy]

I voted a Froch KO but me and alot of people are gonna look very stupid if Dirrell pulls off a win by the looks of the poll.

[Mandanda]

It's one of them fights where there's questions being asked right until the final bell. We don't know what Dirrell has in locker other then some nice skills...does he have heart...a good chin....stamina?? all these questions to be asked.

I think Dirrell is a class act skill wise but skills are only part of what makes a champion. Slip made some great points about the Taylor fight. Taylor never gassed like a lot of people try claim he took a lot of heavy shots and instead of seeing fight out he just made poor choices and was in range got clipped and never knew how to survive.

I want Froch to win he is whats right about Boxing today and he's a brit so i'm a big fan but if Andre wins then props to kid cos i like him and his bro..seem like nice guys.

[China_hand_Joe]

Froch will take brain damage throughout the first 5-11 rounds or so, then force a stoppage in with that horrible zombie like style of boxing he has, where he is too stupid to quit.

[jonnytightlips]

I think Froch will KO Dirrel even though I hate the cunt

[kosaros]

Froch will take brain damage throughout the first 5-11 rounds or so, then force a stoppage in with that horrible zombie like style of boxing he has, where he is too stupid to quit.

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I also think Froch will score the stoppage, Dirrell is too green at this stage and fighting against the crowd for the first time in his career as well. If Dirrell has a chance, then he has to try and take most of the first 6 rounds convincingly, then get on his bike and start pot-shotting to steal a couple of the later rounds and not engage in a war with Froch.

Froch TKO8.

[digregorio1.]

i've gone for Dirrell to win on points so i'm trying to write my explanation but my patriotic brain just keeps interrupting with "froch is gunna win!!!"

anyway, the bases for my prediction is that Dirrell's speed and boxing skills will be too much for Froch's shocking defence just like taylor was too fast and slick for him, and i think Dirrell is faster than taylor so will cause Froch even more problems, and it was only lack of stamina that lost taylor the fight

HOWEVER, i really hope Froch's Big British Balls pulls him through, but my original prediction stands...and i might stick a few bob on it.

[robpalmer135]

dirrel has been no where near the class of Froch.

[slip&counter]

i've gone for Dirrell to win on points so i'm trying to write my explanation but my patriotic brain just keeps interrupting with "froch is gunna win!!!"

anyway, the bases for my prediction is that Dirrell's speed and boxing skills will be too much for Froch's shocking defence just like taylor was too fast and slick for him, and i think Dirrell is faster than taylor so will cause Froch even more problems, and it was only lack of stamina that lost taylor the fight

HOWEVER, i really hope Froch's Big British Balls pulls him through, but my original prediction stands...and i might stick a few bob on it.

The problem for Dirrell is he hasn't one tenth the experience of Taylor, plus there's more questions regarding him and less ifs about Froch. We know Carl won't get discouraged even if he's being outclassed early and losing rounds, We know he can take a shot and eat a load of them all night and still be there and he can end it with one shot....its not a lock in pick, but just to many ifs to bet on Dirrell.

I have to ask myself though....I'm I over playing the experience factor in Froch's favor? because it's all based and comes from fighting the poster boy for how not to finish your meal who has looked lost every time he's fought someone who can match him in physical prowess and a guy no one outside of J u s t i n would recognize.

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I'm I the only one who's picked up on this major flaw of Froch and thinks it may impact on the fight? I speak of this bad habit where, when he throws a jab he drops the right hand from his guard and almost literally pulls it behind his head or waaay to the side parallel with his right chick....maybe its just too imperceptible of a mistake from Froch. but this could mean Dirrels previously ineffective stance switches might actually be an advantage in this fight as a looping left lead straight from the point of squaring up will be there all night.

[Mandanda]

I'm I the only one who's picked up on this major flaw of Froch and thinks it may impact on the fight? I speak of this bad habit where, when he throws a jab he drops the right hand from his guard and almost literally pulls it behind his head or waaay to the side parallel with his right chick....maybe its just too imperceptible of a mistake from Froch. but this could mean Dirrels previously ineffective stance switches might actually be an advantage in this fight as a looping left lead straight from the point of squaring up will be there all night.
I know what your talking about i've seen it aswell. It makes cringe the stuff he does at times really does. I think part of why he gets away with is his power....it's not like Gerald McCLellan who would punch you and your gone...Froch hits you and it hurts and it lets fighters know to watch there step. I re watched the Taylor fight last month and when he hit Taylor you could see he was hurt by each flush shot. He uses a accumulation of shots to knockout his opponents...it's like he breaks there will and saps the fight out of them with each shot....''BONE CHILLING POWER'' as good old showtime Commentator Gus Johnson said before Taylor fight.

[GrovesVDegale]

I voted Dirrell on points though I hope I'm wrong and Froch does a number on him. I can see The Cobra winning by TKO

[slip&counter]

I know what your talking about i've seen it aswell. It makes cringe the stuff he does at times really does. I think part of why he gets away with is his power....it's not like Gerald McCLellan who would punch you and your gone...Froch hits you and it hurts and it lets fighters know to watch there step. I re watched the Taylor fight last month and when he hit Taylor you could see he was hurt by each flush shot. He uses a accumulation of shots to knockout his opponents...it's like he breaks there will and saps the fight out of them with each shot....''BONE CHILLING POWER'' as good old showtime Commentator Gus Johnson said before Taylor fight.

yeah, Froch hit Taylor with a lot of big punches which people tend to forget and added to that gassing, Carl just looks so damn deceptive.

Froch has that look if a fighter who could lose to a guy you least expect and then walk down, stalk and stop a guy he shouldn't. This is definitely not a certain pick. anything could happen and it all hinges on if Dirrell can step up and showcase facets of his game and character he hasn't shown before or hasn't had to show before.

Few questions. What if Carl isn't able to bully the slicker Man...then what? Any plan B???? The kid is in much better shape than Jermaine Taylor and from my estimation he's bigger too.

Secondly what If Dirrell is able to stay on his bike....than what? Is Carl just a sitting duck...meaning he's toast. Has Carl fought anyone as slick as Dirrel???

Keep going like this and I'll be starting a "I'm convinced Dirrell beats Froch" thread next :lol:

[Mandanda]

yeah, Froch hit Taylor with a lot of big punches which people tend to forget and added to that gassing, Carl just looks so damn deceptive.

Froch has that look if a fighter who could lose to a guy you least expect and then walk down, stalk and stop a guy he shouldn't. This is definitely not a certain pick. anything could happen and it all hinges on if Dirrell can step up and showcase facets of his game and character he hasn't shown before or hasn't had to show before.

Few questions. What if Carl isn't able to bully the slicker Man...then what? Any plan B???? The kid is in much better shape than Jermaine Taylor and from my estimation he's bigger too.

Secondly what If Dirrell is able to stay on his bike....than what? Is Carl just a sitting duck...meaning he's toast. Has Carl fought anyone as slick as Dirrel???

Keep going like this and I'll be starting a "I'm convinced Dirrell beats Froch" thread next :lol:

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ummm yeah i worry about a plan b with Carl but he has a damn fine trainer in Robert. I think if he can't bully he has to box off jab and stalk and cut off ring and look to box with higher hands and put shots together. If Dirrell stays on bike then again i feel Carl needs to maintain the distance pressure effectively for 3 minutes a round with good footwork and draw Dirrell to lead by feinting and start to catch him with counters and hard shots or he could go with higher hands and look to lay it on Dirrell aggressively press the fight and outwork him with body shots and getting close and hustling him there's 3 ways he can go about it. He shouldn't chase Dirrell he needs to think and use his boxing brain and be smart....chasing him will only play into Dirrell's hands imo.

I personally feel Dirrell is better when standing on feet and planting shots.

I feel Carl needs to force him back and make him move and when he's off balance attack him. He can look sloppy when moving and i feel Carl can time him.

[KingCobra]

IMO Froch needs to pressure Dirrell (but in a controlled manner). Froch has got an excellent jab and counter punching ability too. Many seem to be convinced that Froch is a one trick pony but appearances can be deceptive....painfully deceptive.

[Mandanda]

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watch the first round and see the errors Dirrell makes. I feel if Froch can gain centre of ring and back him up and engage him he shows that he struggles with trading in pocket and working on inside. He looks the part when pot shotting guys who come in on train tracks.

Carl must feint and maintain range...Dirrell reaches with shots...catch him with counters and make him second guess when your going to jab and throw right hand. Carl must put pressure on unsettle this kid.

Before any one starts i know this fight was a while back but to be honest mr heavy bag and Oganov ain't showing nothing but to small guys getting clumped about ring.

[itrymariti]

There is no doubt in my mind that Dirrell has the ability to beat Froch. Whether he will or not is difficult to call.

Carl Froch makes innumerable technical mistakes. He carries his hands low; he throws lunging, wild shots; he's often very static and moves forward slowly; he doesn't move his head. He's also pretty slow. Against this kind of fighter, a boxer can thrive. He can pick his spots and box and move. This is something Dirrell has shown an ability to do. He can pick off an opponent with a quick shot or two from the outside and move away before being caught in return.

Many will point to Taylor as an example of a boxer Carl Froch broke down. I don't count this analogy as valid. Taylor doesn't fight the same way Dirrell does, especially in that Dirrell moves more, making him potentially immune to simply being walked down. Dirrell is also younger and fitter, and is unlikely to fade down the stretch - especially not to the extent which Taylor did. Dirrell might also have more pop than Taylor and seems to have more of a killer instinct to take out an opponent when they're vulnerable.

The problem for Dirrell lies in his discipline. He can often get carried away with himself and throw a lot of unnecessary punches (Round 1 vs. Oganov is an example), as well as leaving himself exposed to try and slip punches as a display of skill. That is something he cannot afford to do with someone who's as strong as Froch. He also might wear himself out on Froch's chin early on and end up getting stopped late. Add this to Froch's undeniable heart, solid chin and willingness to fight through adversity, and you have a weakness ripe for exploitation.

It's a tough fight to call. Considering how seriously Dirrell seems to be taking this one and inferring that he's going to fight intelligently and sensibly, I'm tempted to pick him to win a UD. Froch has a high puncher's chance.

[itrymariti]

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watch the first round and see the errors Dirrell makes. I feel if Froch can gain centre of ring and back him up and engage him he shows that he struggles with trading in pocket and working on inside. He looks the part when pot shotting guys who come in on train tracks.

Carl must feint and maintain range...Dirrell reaches with shots...catch him with counters and make him second guess when your going to jab and throw right hand. Carl must put pressure on unsettle this kid.

Before any one starts i know this fight was a while back but to be honest mr heavy bag and Oganov ain't showing nothing but to small guys getting clumped about ring.

More relevantly, that video shows that Dirrell can box and move. Froch is even slower coming forward.

[Mandanda]

More relevantly, that video shows that Dirrell can box and move. Froch is even slower coming forward.
I see your point he ends up boxing well in there and stopping Hamshaw.
He's making mistakes there that's point of video. I think Froch has better jab and right hand then Hamshaw and footwaork is better aswell.

[mattress]

...... but Froch boxed in exactly the limited sort of way I was worried he would against Taylor.

He needs to improve ten fold if he's going to win this tourney.....

He needs to keep on top of his nerves too.

Can he fight any other way?

Improve? He's 32 now and has always fought this way.

Nerves? Getting beaten to the punch every time for best part of the fight and not knowing what the fuck to do about it will get those nerves a jangling!

[Irishrover91]

Its gunna be Dirrell by UD, he will outbox Froch, he has too much skill and will do to Froch what Taylor did to him for 11 rounds

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Its gunna be Dirrell by UD, he will outbox Froch, he has too much skill and Will and will do to Froch what Taylor did to him for 11 rounds

Dirrell can't maintain distance and hasn't got the discipline to outbox against a pressure fighter with a very good chin like Froch, he hasn't got the pop to back him up and he's not alert enough and just not well rounded enough to fight an effective/perfect boxer/puncher fight. He's a sucker for a right cross (one of Froch's best punches) and will be eating it all night. I don't think Carl will have a tough time pursuing him and has the ability to end this with one punch.

Strangely both these guys are different in style but similar in delivering their attributes...in there words they both display fundamental deficiencies, throw single punches with obvious leads, favour throwing more powerful single punches such as hooks and uppercuts, both open to counter punches etc Froch has the better ability to absorb more punishment with the better power and chin.

How you can say dirrell has the more Will is beyond me, Thats one of his main unanswered questions along with his inexperience, Froch is jason the dude just keeps coming and has almost 24 rounds with Pascal and Taylor which is a wealth of experience in comparison to Dirrell who hasn't sniffed this level let alone showcasing substancial amounts of Will. Dirrell is a live underdog but needs a career defining performance to last the Distance.

Watch that vid. Mandanda posted its very relevent to what we're discussing, check the ease in which he's pressured and backed up (Froch is gonna be on him late like a pack of dogs on a three-legged cat) look at the squaring up with little head movement and against Hanshaw? not to mention he's away from his element in carls backyard, not to mention this is his toughest fight to date by far, not to mention Froch is gonna take him to places he ain't been before...This is the big league and if he's going to run with the big boys he better learn how to pee in the tall grass....and QUICK! this is froch's fight.

[slip&counter]

IMO Froch needs to pressure Dirrell (but in a controlled manner). Froch has got an excellent jab and counter punching ability too. Many seem to be convinced that Froch is a one trick pony but appearances can be deceptive....painfully deceptive.

Thats because he IS a one dimentional fighter, he's almost the epitomy of that description, where you're getting mixed up with the deceptiveness is that he's deceptive with his movement, power and speed looking like zombie esque as someone else put it....However he is a one trick pony in terms of his style.

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[quote=GrovesVDegale;4740733]
That starts with putting some combos together.quote]

Froch doesn't know the meaning of combos, It'd probabily have the adverse effect if he tried to put some together

[Farmboxer]

I think Froch will stop Dirrell.

[Irishrover91]

Dirrell can't maintain distance and hasn't got the discipline to outbox against a pressure fighter with a very good chin like Froch, he hasn't got the pop to back him up and he's not alert enough and just not well rounded enough to fight an effective/perfect boxer/puncher fight. He's a sucker for a right cross (one of Froch's best punches) and will be eating it all night. I don't think Carl will have a tough time pursuing him and has the ability to end this with one punch.

Strangely both these guys are different in style but similar in delivering their attributes...in there words they both display fundamental deficiencies, throw single punches with obvious leads, favour throwing more powerful single punches such as hooks and uppercuts, both open to counter punches etc Froch has the better ability to absorb more punishment with the better power and chin.

How you can say dirrell has the more Will is beyond me, Thats one of his main unanswered questions along with his inexperience, Froch is jason the dude just keeps coming and has almost 24 rounds with Pascal and Taylor which is a wealth of experience in comparison to Dirrell who hasn't sniffed this level let alone showcasing substancial amounts of Will. Dirrell is a live underdog but needs a career defining performance to last the Distance.

Watch that vid. Mandanda posted its very relevent to what we're discussing, check the ease in which he's pressured and backed up (Froch is gonna be on him late like a pack of dogs on a three-legged cat) look at the squaring up with little head movement and against Hanshaw? not to mention he's away from his element in carls backyard, not to mention this is his toughest fight to date by far, not to mention Froch is gonna take him to places he ain't been before...This is the big league and if he's going to run with the big boys he better learn how to pee in the tall grass....and QUICK! this is froch's fight.

Yeah but i think that Frochs defense is too low and will eat the Jab all day long

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^ stop acting like Dirrell has a winky-esque jab with the power of Liston (i would say Taylor has a better jab then him) and Dirrell's jab is no more effective or consistant then Froch's. Froch maybe stiff as a board but he's strong as an ox so its gonna take more then a decent jab to keep him thinking and control the distance, plus Dirrell isn't exactly like pinning jelly to a wall either, he is at times a very stationary target and walks into punches particulary right hands as i said.

If there's gonna be a Knockout (which is likely imo) then its Froch who's getting it. I think Dirrell is being slightly overated bearing in mind he ain't done nothing yet.

[slip&counter]

There is no doubt in my mind that Dirrell has the ability to beat Froch. Whether he will or not is difficult to call.

Carl Froch makes innumerable technical mistakes. He carries his hands low; he throws lunging, wild shots; he's often very static and moves forward slowly; he doesn't move his head. He's also pretty slow. Against this kind of fighter, a boxer can thrive. He can pick his spots and box and move. This is something Dirrell has shown an ability to do. He can pick off an opponent with a quick shot or two from the outside and move away before being caught in return.

Many will point to Taylor as an example of a boxer Carl Froch broke down. I don't count this analogy as valid. Taylor doesn't fight the same way Dirrell does, especially in that Dirrell moves more, making him potentially immune to simply being walked down. Dirrell is also younger and fitter, and is unlikely to fade down the stretch - especially not to the extent which Taylor did. Dirrell might also have more pop than Taylor and seems to have more of a killer instinct to take out an opponent when they're vulnerable.

The problem for Dirrell lies in his discipline. He can often get carried away with himself and throw a lot of unnecessary punches (Round 1 vs. Oganov is an example), as well as leaving himself exposed to try and slip punches as a display of skill. That is something he cannot afford to do with someone who's as strong as Froch. He also might wear himself out on Froch's chin early on and end up getting stopped late. Add this to Froch's undeniable heart, solid chin and willingness to fight through adversity, and you have a weakness ripe for exploitation.

It's a tough fight to call. Considering how seriously Dirrell seems to be taking this one and inferring that he's going to fight intelligently and sensibly, I'm tempted to pick him to win a UD. Froch has a high puncher's chance.


Dirrell needs to maintain distance (which he doesn't do well) to do this he'll need to fight with faster, longer range punches, and most importantly to establish the jab and give Froch something to think about and fellow a strict strategy trying to control the pace of the fight and make Froch lead and counter as he paws with the Jab. Dirrell needs...reach (he ain't got over Carl) hand speed...(not enough especially in combination)...reflexes....(decent) and footwork...(has footwork but doesn't use it well enough because he circles into powershots)

For me Dirrell is not good enough of a boxer-puncher/well-rounded boxer who is able to fight at close range with a combination of technique and power. He's slightly confused in his movement and tactics. Froch may lack finesse and footwork in the ring, but makes up for it through punching power and underated "deceptive" skills. He's a pressure fighter who doesn't need to attempt to stay too close to an opponent, or throw intense flurries and combinations of hooks and uppercuts or maneuver inside. Niether of these guys are slippery in the pocket defensive style fighters. so fighting at a close range won't be as important or decisive. most counters are gonna come while they both remain on the outside and from distance.

A Massively important punch in this fight is the right cross in Froch's favour, Froch throws this very well from the rear hand. He thrusts forward the rear shoulder finishes it well in a straight line. Froch needs to retract that left lead and tuck it to protect the inside of the chin as he'll get countered. His torso and hips are rotated counter-clockwise as the cross is thrown. The rotation and the sudden weight transfer is what gives the Right cross its power and Froch performance this technique very well. This punch is also gonna be key because Froch can use It to counter Dirrell's jab, A Cross over his outstretched jab is what Dirrell is very susceptible to.

[TFFP]

This simply comes down to whether Dirrell handles the occasion, and deals with pressure somewhat better than he's shown against the likes of Hanshaw. He's vastly more talented overall, but talent doesn't neccessarily mean shit unless you know how to use it, especially when Froch's game is mostly based around toughness and intangibles.

[KingCobra]

He may be talented, but if ability is a recipe, Dirrell appears to be missing some essential ingredients.

[hitman_hatton1]

dirrell will be too quick and too slick.

he's faster and good on his feet.

enough pop to make froch think twice.

nice and relaxed fighting style.

won't tire like taylor did.

has proved he can stand his ground and bang back with a few guys already.

dirrell on pts. :good

[nickythekid]

i got my ticket on the way, cant wait for fight night. prediction= froch isn't coming to box, too strong, too intent. he must be a menacing man to face in a boxing ring. i also think he has better skills than he has shown in the past two fights where he has stepped up. i dont think dirrell is a step up like he has taken so hopefully he will relax and turn it on.

[slip&counter]

away from this fight for a sec.

I see the Pavlik/Williams fight might be a no go for good! apparently Paul's people did all they were suppose too, not to get bent over like this! In the end, we as fans lose out as usual. Pavlik is holding them belts hostage by beating up bar patrons. I'm glad Goosen is keeping Paul busy despite the BS! Looks like Pavlik Dodged a true fighter for a gimmick opponent.

I've noted a another thing If you read Goosen comments the word "problem" and Pavlik's name pops up. I don't know the finer details but i think there is a non boxing related issue going on ( you do the maths). Rescheduling fights aren't like carnivals. Dates in boxing are very intimate.

Goosen did his part and rescheduling a fight on the same date as the Super Six tourney is about as stupid as you can get. That's what you call "burning your own money". The only person to blame is Pavlik at this junction. Also Eddie Chambers is scheduled to fight Klitscko on the other vacant date. Paul and his camp signed the fight and they weren't the ones who cancelled.

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i got my ticket on the way.

Enjoy, you lucky basterd :good

I was gonna go, but nothingham is just too far and a couple of mates bailed out on me....didn't fancy going on my own, lets just hope this gets televised and not on some shitty stream asking for a tenner.

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He may be talented, but if ability is a recipe, Dirrell appears to be missing some essential ingredients.

I agree, but we'll just have to see what he cooks up because the meal could still be tasty. :good

[Farmboxer]

Americans give Froch zero chance against Dirrell. Most say that Dirrell will get an easy knockout early, a complete mismatch.

[Grant1]

Americans give Froch zero chance against Dirrell. Most say that Dirrell will get an easy knockout early, a complete mismatch.

That doesn't seem to be the consensus on the GF.

[nickythekid]

Enjoy, you lucky basterd :good

I was gonna go, but nothingham is just too far and a couple of mates bailed out on me....didn't fancy going on my own, lets just hope this gets televised and not on some shitty stream asking for a tenner.


i'm going on my own, i was going to go to pascal and didn't in the end because of journey, but when i watched it on telly i wished i was there. it would be a travesty if it isn't on the box, whats the man got to do to be televised? seems to me that he he is 110% focused on getting where he wants to be, making the sacrifices and doing the work, no matter what anyone thinks about his boxing you have to admire that. probably plenty of boxers more naturally talented but without the drive and determination who wont make to the top levels.

[Clarkson]

Froch by late TKO, I'm going for round 11.

I think Dirrell not having reach advantage will allow Froch to come more and more into the fight after the first few rounds.

[Losfer_Words]

That doesn't seem to be the consensus on the GF.

In Farmboxer's world, facts account for nothing. If he says a British boxer will lose, it's because they are inferior to Americans (in his opinion).

[itrymariti]

away from this fight for a sec.

I see the Pavlik/Williams fight might be a no go for good! apparently Paul's people did all they were suppose too, not to get bent over like this! In the end, we as fans lose out as usual. Pavlik is holding them belts hostage by beating up bar patrons. I'm glad Goosen is keeping Paul busy despite the BS! Looks like Pavlik Dodged a true fighter for a gimmick opponent.

I've noted a another thing If you read Goosen comments the word "problem" and Pavlik's name pops up. I don't know the finer details but i think there is a non boxing related issue going on ( you do the maths). Rescheduling fights aren't like carnivals. Dates in boxing are very intimate.

Goosen did his part and rescheduling a fight on the same date as the Super Six tourney is about as stupid as you can get. That's what you call "burning your own money". The only person to blame is Pavlik at this junction. Also Eddie Chambers is scheduled to fight Klitscko on the other vacant date. Paul and his camp signed the fight and they weren't the ones who cancelled.

Right, so even though Pavlik ASKED for Williams and FORCED Dunkin to make sacrifices in Team Pavlik/Top Rank's cut to make the fight, he's holdling the belts hostage and running away from real competition? If it weren't for him, we wouldn't even be talking about the fight. Let me remind you: the only fights Pavlik has chosen - i.e. haven't been mandatories or contractually obligated rematches - have been Bernard Hopkins and Paul Williams. But yeah, I guess he's just running scared! :patsch

[itrymariti]

Dirrell needs to maintain distance (which he doesn't do well) to do this he'll need to fight with faster, longer range punches, and most importantly to establish the jab and give Froch something to think about and fellow a strict strategy trying to control the pace of the fight and make Froch lead and counter as he paws with the Jab. Dirrell needs...reach (he ain't got over Carl) hand speed...(not enough especially in combination)...reflexes....(decent) and footwork...(has footwork but doesn't use it well enough because he circles into powershots)

For me Dirrell is not good enough of a boxer-puncher/well-rounded boxer who is able to fight at close range with a combination of technique and power. He's slightly confused in his movement and tactics. Froch may lack finesse and footwork in the ring, but makes up for it through punching power and underated "deceptive" skills. He's a pressure fighter who doesn't need to attempt to stay too close to an opponent, or throw intense flurries and combinations of hooks and uppercuts or maneuver inside. Niether of these guys are slippery in the pocket defensive style fighters. so fighting at a close range won't be as important or decisive. most counters are gonna come while they both remain on the outside and from distance.

A Massively important punch in this fight is the right cross in Froch's favour, Froch throws this very well from the rear hand. He thrusts forward the rear shoulder finishes it well in a straight line. Froch needs to retract that left lead and tuck it to protect the inside of the chin as he'll get countered. His torso and hips are rotated counter-clockwise as the cross is thrown. The rotation and the sudden weight transfer is what gives the Right cross its power and Froch performance this technique very well. This punch is also gonna be key because Froch can use It to counter Dirrell's jab, A Cross over his outstretched jab is what Dirrell is very susceptible to.

I don't think much of this is particularly relevant. I can understand that Dirrell is perhaps too indisciplined to tango effectively in this fight, and might not be able to last down the stretch. But I think he's fast enough and has good enough movement to stay away from Froch and tag him without being exposed to danger. Importantly, Froch doesn't walk people down the way you seem to think he does; he is a pressure fighter, but only really because of his strength and chin. I don't think Dirrell would have much trouble effectively getting on his bike, especially with Froch's cumbersome and wide footwork. Power doesn't mean anything if you can't land a punch, and I can't see Froch landing too much if Dirrell boxes and moves intelligently.

Theree are uncertainties: we don't know how Dirrell will choose to fight; we don't know if he won't fade down the strech; we don't know about his chin. But I'm leaning towards a Dirrell UD. (That said, the possibility of a hometown decision is distinct, considering the shamefully wide margins of scoring for Froch vs. Pascal, which I had even).

[ollyc]

Theree are uncertainties: we don't know how Dirrell will choose to fight; we don't know if he won't fade down the strech; we don't know about his chin. But I'm leaning towards a Dirrell UD. (That said, the possibility of a hometown decision is distinct, considering the shamefully wide margins of scoring for Froch vs. Pascal, which I had even).[/quote]

Whaaaaaaaatttttttt? I had Froch in front by 4. I know some people had it as close as two, but I can't remember seeing anyone else claim that Pascal deserved a draw!!!

[slip&counter]

Right, so even though Pavlik ASKED for Williams and FORCED Dunkin to make sacrifices in Team Pavlik/Top Rank's cut to make the fight, he's holdling the belts hostage and running away from real competition? If it weren't for him, we wouldn't even be talking about the fight. Let me remind you: the only fights Pavlik has chosen - i.e. haven't been mandatories or contractually obligated rematches - have been Bernard Hopkins and Paul Williams. But yeah, I guess he's just running scared!

Notice I never said HE "ducked" anyone (revering rather to his advisors and camp) I said there's a "problem". If you believe he had to cancel two fights based upon the same exact injury "God Bless U" lol I'm just trying tell you what I've heard.

So you're gonna make concessions for Pavlik on StaphGate 1 (escape from King AA) and StaphGate 2 (camp scared of this phenom growing into 160 and was gonna make "1-2-reset-repeat" look foolish). Follow this story back to Pavlik getting 100 alleged stitches from a broken window and u got the answer: Parental Ransom.

lets tell it like it is anyway, fuck what happened before the negotiations, the fact remains Pavlik/his team is either A) Scared to take another L B) Can't make weight at 160 no more OR C) Actually had the same Staphylococcus aureus infection on the same hand.....which is possible. BUT thats not some light shit that just pops up in ...say a day berfore a fights announced. That shit would have been spotted and had Kelly SO FUCKED up the match wouldn't have even gotten to negotiation stages....

point blank I aint buying it.

btw Until these fights are actually taking place ( wake me) once again the fans are the one's taking a "L"! like I said A hot fall is now looking a little less hotter.

looks like i'm not the only one asking questions of Pavlik
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[slip&counter]

I don't think much of this is particularly relevant. I can understand that Dirrell is perhaps too indisciplined to tango effectively in this fight, and might not be able to last down the stretch. But I think he's fast enough and has good enough movement to stay away from Froch and tag him without being exposed to danger. Importantly, Froch doesn't walk people down the way you seem to think he does; he is a pressure fighter, but only really because of his strength and chin. I don't think Dirrell would have much trouble effectively getting on his bike, especially with Froch's cumbersome and wide footwork. Power doesn't mean anything if you can't land a punch, and I can't see Froch landing too much if Dirrell boxes and moves intelligently.

Theree are uncertainties: we don't know how Dirrell will choose to fight; we don't know if he won't fade down the strech; we don't know about his chin. But I'm leaning towards a Dirrell UD. (That said, the possibility of a hometown decision is distinct, considering the shamefully wide margins of scoring for Froch vs. Pascal, which I had even).

Whats not relevent? the fact that Dirrell circles into powershots? the fact that he can't keep distance? the fact he hasn't sniffed this level? the fact he has more ifs then Froch? the fact that he switch hits ineffectively? the fact that he squares up? the fact that he has a somewhat stationary head? the fact that he's a sucker for a right cross? (froch's best punch) look like you're not a sticker for analysis, intangibles and imponderables:patsch

Froch vs Pascal "hometown decision"? GTFOH

[Siren1927]

Froch by late KO

[slip&counter]

away from this fight for a sec.

paulie vs Diaz, who yall got?

this is gonna be a pillow fight, with diaz winning a clear decision, one thing is guarenteed paulie will blame his hand and his trainer after the fight. hes got a new trainer right? I think Mcgirt was treated badly.

Buddy is a damn good Trainer....not his fault Paullie wanted to circle into ricky's power hand. All you can do is train hard and give your fighter the best advice...which is what Buddy did.

Buddy is an excellent trainer and actually foresaw PM getting walked and stalked down like Cotto and eventually Ricky I remember Buddy talking about his concern on Paulie's discipline/lack of to keep angles but circle drifts into the cross hairs; something a pillow puncher can't do unless you can squat on the toilet for 36 mins a la Pea. Buddy showed his worth by making Tarver way more competitive in Dawson II after Tarver's people begged him back.

many people have trashed Buddy but its absurd, he gave Paulie the best advice and thats all you can ask of him, he worked wonders with gatti and its really the fighters who mostly make the trainers, if you train garbage you get garbage results.

Paulie should just retire.

[Mandanda]

away from this fight for a sec.

paulie vs Diaz, who yall got?

this is gonna be a pillow fight, with diaz winning a clear decision, one thing is guarenteed paulie will blame his hand and his trainer after the fight. hes got a new trainer right? I think Mcgirt was treated badly.

Buddy is a damn good Trainer....not his fault Paullie wanted to circle into ricky's power hand. All you can do is train hard and give your fighter the best advice...which is what Buddy did.

Buddy is an excellent trainer and actually foresaw PM getting walked and stalked down like Cotto and eventually Ricky I remember Buddy talking about his concern on Paulie's discipline/lack of to keep angles but circle drifts into the cross hairs; something a pillow puncher can't do unless you can squat on the toilet for 36 mins a la Pea. Buddy showed his worth by making Tarver way more competitive in Dawson II after Tarver's people begged him back.

many people have trashed Buddy but its absurd, he gave Paulie the best advice and thats all you can ask of him, he worked wonders with gatti and its really the fighters who mostly make the trainers, if you train garbage you get garbage results.

Paulie should just retire.

I'm going for Diaz wide UD. He will over whelm Paulie and out huslte and out work him. Motivation is there where as with Paulie it starting to ebb away. I see a good fight but i see Juan getting a much needed confidence boost.

I agree with you on Buddy...people like to ridicule people when times are hard. Few years back people liked him...now he's a joke. I must say i do laugh at stuff he says but as a trainer and a man he's top class.

[TFFP]

Diaz should stop Paulie if he's still got the fighting heart in him after two bad losses.

He's not a puncher, he barks too much, but with the pace he sets he should be able to break down a guy that by his own admission only fights for money, and really has nothing except a pitty pat left jab to deter him.

Paulie should be made for Diaz to look hot.

[slip&counter]

Mandanda, The BODY JABS ARE BACK!! lol triple lead rights! hooking back counters! 6 inch combos! shoulder rolls! check hooks! catching shots! best ring IQ in the game!....you know who i'm talking about. :lol:

I can't wait for this fight....seems like we've been waiting for a blockbuster for ages, this lull is killing me. Floyd does everything marquez does but 10 times better. I like JMM but he was given nightmeres by pillowed fisted, come straight ahead Diaz. it's gonna be good to see the real sweet science back on display though, i've had enough of these one dimentional fighters.

btw call me crazy, but i've got Valuev ruining David Haye's get rich quick heavyweight scheme.

[carlos1000]

Froch ko6.

[SeasideSlugger]

If Dirrells stuff on youtube is anything to go by, Froch is going to muller him.

How people talked on here it was as if he was the second coming of RJJ, speed, movement, switch hitter..........this is it boys!!!!

Speed wise he not as quick as Taylor or Pascal, Movement wasn't really anything to write home about and as far as switch hitting goes he didn't really use it affectively for me....he sort of just changed stances.

His head was pretty stationary as well, which will get knocked off if he doesn't move it a bit more.

He has a nice jab (nice triple against that Hanshaw bloke) though he doesn't seem to use as often as he should.

I can't help feeling he's in trouble. Froch stoppage.

[slip&counter]

^ I agree, finally someone else who see's what i've been saying all along.

[Mandanda]

Mandanda, The BODY JABS ARE BACK!! lol triple lead rights! hooking back counters! 6 inch combos! shoulder rolls! check hooks! catching shots! best ring IQ in the game!....you know who i'm talking about. :lol:

I can't wait for this fight....seems like we've been waiting for a blockbuster for ages, this lull is killing me. Floyd does everything marquez does but 10 times better. I like JMM but he was given nightmeres by pillowed fisted, come straight ahead Diaz. it's gonna be good to see the real sweet science back on display though, i've had enough of these one dimentional fighters.

btw call me crazy, but i've got Valuev ruining David Haye's get rich quick heavyweight scheme.

:lol: Slip couldn't agree more cannot wait to see Money back doing what he does best. I do see a good fight though and i do feel Juan will bring a plan and he will test Floyd. There's plenty of questions Floyd will have to answer come fight night and i cannot wait. I like both guys so i'm going to sit back and enjoy.

I watched Haye-Barrett the other day so i could analyze the Valuev fight. He has the tools to dismantle and hurt and bewilder Valuev...my worry is he slips and unleashes some devastating shots and can look unreal for a big guy then he goes and leaves himself open and fires away recklessly and that worries me in this fight...also he gets tired and loses his head for split second and against a big man like Valuev he has to be on guard at all time.

I see David winning and he can look devastating and has some fantastic tools to bring to heavyweight scene but he needs to have some caution about his work come November. I'm going with Haye stopping Valuev late on. I see Haye hitting Valuev and moving and he wins rounds but there will be tension as fight drifts on. I think Valuev could go down and end up getting stopped or pulled out.

But i wouldn't put my house on it because i'm always on edge with Haye.

[slip&counter]

^ I hope Haye wins and he probabily will, but you're right anything could happen with haye and with his recklessness, i just get this feeling of him trying too hard to KO or overly impress and getting aired out...

what do you think of this Hopkins/Jones saga? have you heard the re-run of their classic "60, 40 i whoop yo ass" interview? :lol: Roy offered a fight to Bernard with the winner taking 60 and the loser getting 40 and Hopkins refused. He then offered winner take all and BHop hung up....:lol:

I wonna see this rematch finally happen. I get the feeling the stars are aligning for Bernard/Roy to get it at Cruiserweight once Roy gets the IBO strap from Green down under. But that means Hopkins will have to get leverage which forces GBP to stop undercutting Adamek with $400k and offer something like $1.5m. Hopkins then gets the green belt and can fight Roy for his IBO strap by the spring 2010. In a perfect world this would be the modus operandi for Hopkins to not have Roy stealing kisses on yet another dance north to cruiser/hw. It's now on GBP's greedy ass banker to come correct.

Roy is definitely not an idiot either. He's seen Hopkins destroy Tarver at 175 and perform a hell of a lot better vs Joe Calzaghe at 175 then Roy did. But Roy has felt what it's like to taste 200 and a lot of his bullsh*t tactics actually work at a higher weight. If this CW swan song showdown would happen with Hopkins at 195 to 200, I'm not writing RJJ off in this one. I think this extra weight plays right into Roy's hands and evens the playing field from what would've been a mismatch in favour of Hopkins at 170/175.

I think some people get it wrong, Hopkins is the one who negotiated his way out of a fight. Why would Roy split 50/50 when he was P4P King and he'd already beat the dude?? I understood Hopkins thinking and not wanting to take the 40% because Hopkins had just finished being the last man standing from the middleweight tourney in 2000/2001 where he capped it off by beating an undefeated Trinidad. Hopkins then had at least 15-18 title defenses at 160 and was bringing that lineal resume up 15 pounds vs. Roy. Hopkins felt this track record and the risk of a 15 lb size increase warranted a 50/50 purse upfront where Roy could then squeeze a little higher on ppv backend. But Roy was The Man at the time and Bernard had that 1 significant win. Like Paul Williams, you gotta make certain concessions to be a star. 60/40 against Roy was a damn good deal at the time, considering what other opponents were getting against Roy. I think Bernard has let his ego get in the way of this rematch happening.

Like I said 60/40 split was a damn good deal for Hopkins at the time. This was also the time when Hopkins wasn't playing by traditional promoter rules so there was definitely an ego trip going on. How likely would Hopkins have even wanted to venture away from 160 because he had 20+ defenses dead in his scope for legacy purposes. It wasn't until two questionable scorecard losses which got Hopkins north to 175 anyway so was he really that hot to trot on RJJ? ijdk.

[toffeejack]

Dirrell UD

[David UK]

Almost certainly Froch by KO

[slip&counter]

I'm going for Diaz wide UD. He will over whelm Paulie and out huslte and out work him. Motivation is there where as with Paulie it starting to ebb away. I see a good fight but i see Juan getting a much needed confidence boost.

I agree with you on Buddy...people like to ridicule people when times are hard. Few years back people liked him...now he's a joke. I must say i do laugh at stuff he says but as a trainer and a man he's top class.

I'm really looking forward to jacobs vs smith on that card. I think it might be the fight of the night, Jacobs has impressed me on occassions, but i'm not sold on him yet, this a good step up for him from the ESPN FNF and mega fight undercard cans he's been fighting, smith will pose some questions. Jacobs is a kid with a good head on his shoulders, good skillset although not much pop, interesting to see how he fairs.

[Mandanda]

^ I hope Haye wins and he probabily will, but you're right anything could happen with haye and with his recklessness, i just get this feeling of him trying too hard to KO or overly impress and getting aired out...

what do you think of this Hopkins/Jones saga? have you heard the re-run of their classic "60, 40 i whoop yo ass" interview? :lol: Roy offered a fight to Bernard with the winner taking 60 and the loser getting 40 and Hopkins refused. He then offered winner take all and BHop hung up....:lol:

I wonna see this rematch finally happen. I get the feeling the stars are aligning for Bernard/Roy to get it at Cruiserweight once Roy gets the IBO strap from Green down under. But that means Hopkins will have to get leverage which forces GBP to stop undercutting Adamek with $400k and offer something like $1.5m. Hopkins then gets the green belt and can fight Roy for his IBO strap by the spring 2010. In a perfect world this would be the modus operandi for Hopkins to not have Roy stealing kisses on yet another dance north to cruiser/hw. It's now on GBP's greedy ass banker to come correct.

Roy is definitely not an idiot either. He's seen Hopkins destroy Tarver at 175 and perform a hell of a lot better vs Joe Calzaghe at 175 then Roy did. But Roy has felt what it's like to taste 200 and a lot of his bullsh*t tactics actually work at a higher weight. If this CW swan song showdown would happen with Hopkins at 195 to 200, I'm not writing RJJ off in this one. I think this extra weight plays right into Roy's hands and evens the playing field from what would've been a mismatch in favour of Hopkins at 170/175.

I think some people get it wrong, Hopkins is the one who negotiated his way out of a fight. Why would Roy split 50/50 when he was P4P King and he'd already beat the dude?? I understood Hopkins thinking and not wanting to take the 40% because Hopkins had just finished being the last man standing from the middleweight tourney in 2000/2001 where he capped it off by beating an undefeated Trinidad. Hopkins then had at least 15-18 title defenses at 160 and was bringing that lineal resume up 15 pounds vs. Roy. Hopkins felt this track record and the risk of a 15 lb size increase warranted a 50/50 purse upfront where Roy could then squeeze a little higher on ppv backend. But Roy was The Man at the time and Bernard had that 1 significant win. Like Paul Williams, you gotta make certain concessions to be a star. 60/40 against Roy was a damn good deal at the time, considering what other opponents were getting against Roy. I think Bernard has let his ego get in the way of this rematch happening.

Like I said 60/40 split was a damn good deal for Hopkins at the time. This was also the time when Hopkins wasn't playing by traditional promoter rules so there was definitely an ego trip going on. How likely would Hopkins have even wanted to venture away from 160 because he had 20+ defenses dead in his scope for legacy purposes. It wasn't until two questionable scorecard losses which got Hopkins north to 175 anyway so was he really that hot to trot on RJJ? ijdk.

:lol: i remember that interview.

I wouldn't mind seeing it...shame it taken this long to come if it does come off but it still be a interesting fight. A different and more entertaining fight then there first fight.

I love a fight with a back ground story. :bbb

[Mandanda]

I'm really looking forward to jacobs vs smith on that card. I think it might be the fight of the night, Jacobs has impressed me on occassions, but i'm not sold on him yet, this a good step up for him from the ESPN FNF and mega fight undercard cans he's been fighting, smith will pose some questions. Jacobs is a kid with a good head on his shoulders, good skillset although not much pop, interesting to see how he fairs.
Yeah i agree Slip. Smith has caused upsets before and he has skills and skills and he has hunger still. I think Jacobs will have to step up to plate and if i remember his last HBO fight wasn't a great display. I'm very unsure of how this fight will pan out. I'm deffo looking forward to it though.

[slip&counter]

^ What effect do you think the weight will have on this fight? i know jacobs ain't the biggest guy, but wasn't smith a career welter before the contender? i maybe just mixing things up though.

Do you think bernard makes more money facing, chad or adamek instead of roy? which are in theory much tougher fights. remember he may talk legacy but paper chasing and bulking that pension account are all that matter. I think Bad Chad beats bernard, hopkins struggles with speed, athleticism and workrate, plus chad is super slick, It will indeed be a tough fight but if he's able to box from miles away, pepper him with combos and don't get caught up in clinches he wins the fight especially with Bernard being 45. Thats why Bernard's calling out a light middleweight who can't draw flies to shit, but wants no part of bad chad, as for Adamek whats the financial value in that fight? (other then the poles in New Jersey) with a guy who was beaten by Chad and who fought on VERSUS in the FOTY candidate. I think he makes more money with Roy.

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Dirrell UD

based on what? you being either from the vallys or just a JC fan?

[Mandanda]

^ What effect do you think the weight will have on this fight? i know jacobs ain't the biggest guy, but wasn't smith a career welter before the contender? i maybe just mixing things up though.

Do you think bernard makes more money facing, chad or adamek instead of roy? which are in theory much tougher fights. remember he may talk legacy but paper chasing and bulking that pension account are all that matter. I think Bad Chad beats bernard, hopkins struggles with speed, athleticism and workrate, plus chad is super slick, It will indeed be a tough fight but if he's able to box from miles away, pepper him with combos and don't get caught up in clinches he wins the fight especially with Bernard being 45. Thats why Bernard's calling out a light middleweight who can't draw flies to shit, but wants no part of bad chad, as for Adamek whats the financial value in that fight? (other then the poles in New Jersey) with a guy who was beaten by Chad and who fought on VERSUS in the FOTY candidate. I think he makes more money with Roy.
Yeah your right slip Ishe was a welterweight once before. He's shown skills to beat prospect like Wolak.

I feel Ishe is in a strange position..he's not a gate keeper but he's not a name either but he's someone you have to beat to be called a prospect and he's not walk over.Can he do it....i'm not sure...but the hunger will be there i feel and that's what makes it a interesting fight...Ishe's not shot nor is he unmotivated his career is at crossroads and tonight he's got chance to ride onto world scene. I'm going with Jacobs...but i see a good fight....Daniel needs to perform and Ishe can make it hard. I see Daniel winning 97-93 UD

I think Bernard should go for either Roy or Chad. Imo Chad beats him as you said...i don't feel Bernard wants any part of that fight...i think least with Roy he makes money and also puts a name on record and can gain revenge. Adamek is a beast and it's a risk to fight a bigger man who's hungry and powerful and the fight will have only trade and Polish community interest. I think Roy's the fight he should take....

[slip&counter]

Yeah your right slip Ishe was a welterweight once before. He's shown skills to beat prospect like Wolak.

I feel Ishe is in a strange position..he's not a gate keeper but he's not a name either but he's someone you have to beat to be called a prospect and he's not walk over.Can he do it....i'm not sure...but the hunger will be there i feel and that's what makes it a interesting fight...Ishe's not shot nor is he unmotivated his career is at crossroads and tonight he's got chance to ride onto world scene. I'm going with Jacobs...but i see a good fight....Daniel needs to perform and Ishe can make it hard. I see Daniel winning 97-93 UD

I think Bernard should go for either Roy or Chad. Imo Chad beats him as you said...i don't feel Bernard wants any part of that fight...i think least with Roy he makes money and also puts a name on record and can gain revenge. Adamek is a beast and it's a risk to fight a bigger man who's hungry and powerful and the fight will have only trade and Polish community interest. I think Roy's the fight he should take....

If Bernard is so confident of winning then why not take the deal? its easy money, he says Roy is washed up so whats the problem, its all ego to me. He'll be ridiculed if he were to lose to a shot to sh*t roy jones and he doesn't wanna take that risk. becuase no matter how passed it roy is he still has reminisce of that speed and would still be a live underdog and maybe just a stylistic nightmere for Bernard.

listen to what Roy's really saying: "I'm gonna take this late November fight with Green at cruiser. No way in hell am I making the same mistake twice by trying to drain down to light heavyweight even though I'm throwing Tarver and Glencoff's name around for pure leverage. Hopkins, get Shaefer & Fishnet in line and pay Adamek some cheddar and then I (Roy) will already be on the 195-200 dance floor. We can then have the ultimate 50/50 at that point when there's $30M plus to split. Winner goes for a fat parlay at hw.

[Mandanda]

If Bernard is so confident of winning then why not take the deal? its easy money, he says Roy is washed up so whats the problem, its all ego to me. He'll be ridiculed if he were to lose to a shot to sh*t roy jones and he doesn't wanna take that risk. becuase no matter how passed it roy is he still has reminisce of that speed and would still be a live underdog and maybe just a stylistic nightmere for Bernard.

listen to what Roy's really saying: "I'm gonna take this late November fight with Green at cruiser. No way in hell am I making the same mistake twice by trying to drain down to light heavyweight even though I'm throwing Tarver and Glencoff's name around for pure leverage. Hopkins, get Shaefer & Fishnet in line and pay Adamek some cheddar and then I (Roy) will already be on the 195-200 dance floor. We can then have the ultimate 50/50 at that point when there's $30M plus to split. Winner goes for a fat parlay at hw.

I agree Slip

I would love to see it....just don't see B-Hop taking that risk. We all know Bernard's a smart guy...and i got feeling he knows Roy's still live as you say. Roy may not be as good as he once was but he still a damn good fighter.

[TFFP]

Ishe Smith is a boring fighter though. Hope he throws more punches.

[toffeejack]

based on what? you being either from the vallys or just a JC fan?

Based on the fact that at times Froch is a sitting duck. A shot to bits Robin Reid was even having some success with the right hand and Taylor should have put him away.

From what I've seen Dirrell can outbox Froch over 12 I'm convinced of that. Froch does have the stamina, the heart and the punchers chance of course though and who knows how Dirrell will cope with the biggest fight of his life.

Neither result would be a surprise but Dirrell UD it is for me.

[slip&counter]

Based on the fact that at times Froch is a sitting duck. A shot to bits Robin Reid was even having some success with the right hand and Taylor should have put him away.

From what I've seen Dirrell can outbox Froch over 12 I'm convinced of that. Froch does have the stamina, the heart and the punchers chance of course though and who knows how Dirrell will cope with the biggest fight of his life.

Neither result would be a surprise but Dirrell UD it is for me.

fair enough, mate

just wanted you to put some clothes on your argument :good

[slip&counter]

Mandanda, someone who could be an option for Hopkins is Paul Williams, i feel slightly sorry for PW atm outragious gifts without a lot of big fight options. he says he'll fight Hopkins after having Pavlik bail out on him, but he would only fight hopkins at 165lbs. he should stop the pipe dreams. Hopkins isn't making 165, let alone being stupid enough to even try to get his 45 year old body down to that weight. Either fight him at 170/175 or fight someone at 154. imo Williams has 154 for the taking, he should set up camp there and just roll on the defenses.

btw what the heck is going on with Sugar Shane? I heard he's got a date of December the 5th scheduled. Berto seemed to be the name on his lips. who ever it is (and he doesn't seem to have many options) he needs to fight soon, that Margarito win is starting to wear off.

[Mandanda]

Mandanda, someone who could be an option for Hopkins is Paul Williams, i feel slightly sorry for PW atm outragious gifts without a lot of big fight options. he says he'll fight Hopkins after having Pavlik bail out on him, but he would only fight hopkins at 165lbs. he should stop the pipe dreams. Hopkins isn't making 165, let alone being stupid enough to even try to get his 45 year old body down to that weight. Either fight him at 170/175 or fight someone at 154. imo Williams has 154 for the taking, he should set up camp there and just roll on the defenses.

btw what the heck is going on with Sugar Shane? I heard he's got a date of December the 5th scheduled. Berto seemed to be the name on his lips. who ever it is (and he doesn't seem to have many options) he needs to fight soon, that Margarito win is starting to wear off.

I'd like to see that fight you know..that be a really interesting tactical battle and i think it would be entertaining as well. I agree Paul is living in a dream world if he thinks a man Bernard's age is going to drop weight to fight a man with the frame of a light heavy.

Yeah Shane seems to be in Bernard's boat atm...and it's losing momentum. I got impression reading Clottey's Facebook Status he was in talking about a fight with Shane. I hope Shane sees sense and takes on a Berto or Clottey..i just wanna see Shane fight and atm he's looking at having a year out of the ring and just watching big fights rather then being in them.

[TFFP]

I'd rather Mosley fought Berto, I saw an interview and he said that was a possbility.

Clottey has had his chances now, he keeps doing enough to lose. I'd like to see Berto prove he's the real deal, because he's not looked like it so far.

[Mandanda]

I'd rather Mosley fought Berto, I saw an interview and he said that was a possbility.

Clottey has had his chances now, he keeps doing enough to lose. I'd like to see Berto prove he's the real deal, because he's not looked like it so far.
Yep i agree..Josh seems to enjoy glorious failure. I think Shane if like he was against Margarito..beats Berto. I see some good stuff from Berto but it's as if he doesn't have another gear at world level that he should do. He just does enough to win. He looks the part but i think in a proper fight like against Collazo he gets beat with ease.

[TFFP]

That's the problem with Berto, reminds me of a young Taylor. Doesn't REALLY look like he wants to impress or really take a fight by the scruff of the neck. He'll hold, potshot, do whatever just to win. Yeah okay it works against Urango and such, but it didn't against Collazo and it won't against the big boys.

[slip&counter]

Mandanda and TFFP, I actually read this fight was close to being signed.

My instinct tells me Mosley, but then I'm thinking maybe his win, great as it was, against Margarito is slightly sugar coating the signs of ageing we saw beforehand.....having said that Berto is not ready and my opinion of him has dwindled with every passing fight.

looking at it stylistically, Berto's fast hands can keep Shane from setting his feet often and laying down power punches but Shane can adapt in a fight against a youngster like Berto and he's skilled enough to land the more meaningful shots imo...maybe it ends in decision but i gotta feeling Shane take's him to deep waters and drowns him with Berto taking a few big ones and going out late.

Actually the more I think about it, the more I get worried for Andre on something i picked up in Berto vs Urango. You'll probabily recall that back handed flick jab Berto used. I hate to say it but that was an illegal punch! No doubt GBP, Nazim and Shane will have this implanted in the ref's brain even before the bell sounds. So you take away this bad habit but still second nature instinct with a point deduction, and now Berto can't work behind his bread-n-butter.

This is going to be one of the first times that Shane will not be the one getting off first in the exchanges or the middle of the ring where Sugar Shane has made his living. But in looking at Vernon, Winky & Cotto, they all had a common denominator and that was the double, triple jab to set things up. Berto at times reverts to a Roy Jones type of stance where the only thing to follow is some type of off-balance straight or leaping type hook. This won't work against Shane.

Another big factor is Nazim richardson, he's made a big difference to mosley, the strategy of nazim (controlling the pace with crucial clinches) against margarito made a big difference, he fought him how cotto should've, that was like cotto vs margarito with clinches and shane knowing how to nullify margarito's aggression and control the pace.

I also get the feeling the burden of that green strap might weigh to heavily on Berto's young shoulders, it was available so they took it but might've been a little early he's just a work in progress who happens to have a shinny green strap therefore being the hunted when he maybe should've learnt how to hunt first.

[slip&counter]

Almost certainly Froch by KO

its Carl "zombie" Froch nothing is "almost certain"....:lol:

[slip&counter]

Ishe Smith is a boring fighter though. Hope he throws more punches.

either way this is jacobs toughest comp on paper, so we'll see if he raises his game, he's looked slightly flustered in the past, no special effects but he has a solid game.....Jacobs that is.

[antcull]

'One Month To Go!' bump.

Froch TKO9

[slip&counter]

'One Month To Go!' bump.

Froch TKO9

I just can't wait for this whole thing to get started.

outrageously still no tv deal :-(

are you gonna be in attendence antcull?

[Primadonna Kool]

If Carl Froch lands is uppercut, which is based on Ken's and Ryu's upper from Street Fighter...

It's over *****, it's OVAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

[antcull]

I just can't wait for this whole thing to get started.

outrageously still no tv deal :-(

are you gonna be in attendence antcull?

I wish mate.

I'm just a poor uni student all the way down on the south coast with no boxing mad mates :verysad

[GMR-Bristol]

I think that Froch has a good chance of winning this first bout. My reasons are:

(1) FROCH HOME ADVANTAGE - Dirrell is away from home. Looking at his record on boxing rec he has never fought professionally outside of the USA. It is unknown as to whether he will cope with the occasion. Carl will have immense support as he wil be fighiting in his hometown.
(2) FROCH FIGHT EXPERIENCE - Carl's recent resume is more impressive than Dirrells i.e. Taylor and Pascal. He is more used to getting in the trenches at the higher level.
(3) FROCH CHIN AND HEART - This guy does not know how to lose. He has a winners mentality as displayed in his recent win over Taylor.
(4) STAMINA - Carl has an incredible engine (reminds me of Joe Calzaghe actually) which will enable him to own Dirrell in the later rounds.

So to prove I don't have the same bias as say Scott Gilfoid I will acknowledge that Dirrell has the speed advantage but I think this is not as big as an advantage as 1-4 above.

I am going to this fight in November and am already looking forward to it...

[Dan684]

:rofl - You'll be a month late then Bristol Boy :lol:

[Boro chris]

Previously felt that Frochs experience would pull him through but now I'm gonna say that Dirrels extra speed and class will be enough. Dirrel by clear ud.

[Beeston Brawler]

Looking forward to this now..... gutted that the undercard is so poor though.

[GMR-Bristol]

:rofl - You'll be a month late then Bristol Boy :lol:

DOH ! Meant October 17th. :patsch

[Steve Fox]

Froch will knock Dirrell out because he's a winner who knocks people out - usually. It's all right looking fast and that, but if his corner doesn't have some anti-venom, The Cobra wins.

[Mr. V.I.P.]

Dirrell decision. Taylor showed he can be outboxed easily.

[slip&counter]

Froch will knock Dirrell out because he's a winner who knocks people out - usually. It's all right looking fast and that, but if his corner doesn't have some anti-venom, The Cobra wins.

no offence but that was classic casual jargon

[slip&counter]

Froch TKO9

I need some X's and O's with that.

[555east]

I dunno if Dirrell has the chin to survive Froch

but at the same time, can Dirrell keep Froch honest with his power?

really looking forward to this one/

[hitman_hatton1]

dirrell is too slick and too quick.

be interesting if froch is still there and strong after 8 or 9 rds.

dirrell hasn't been tested late on before.

but i see dirrell passing with flying colours and looking good against froch.

big talent is dirrell. :bbb

[slip&counter]

I dunno if Dirrell has the chin to survive Froch

but at the same time, can Dirrell keep Froch honest with his power?

really looking forward to this one/

where the heck you been 555? good to have you chiming in my friend :good

[Little Tyson]

Froch will KO him. Andre Dirrell has never fought someone of Froch's class. The "Cobra" will knock him out 7th round.

[slip&counter]

Bump!

not long to go now, anyone having doubts about their pick?

[UndisputedUK]

Dirrell looks really vulnerable, Froch walks him down.

[slip&counter]

Dirrell looks really vulnerable, Froch walks him down.

yep, thats the general consensus and what i see happening, the thing with fighters like Dirrell and Sergio Martinez is they try to fight a certain way they haven't got the relevent attributes for and it will bite them in the backside against the wrong opponent.

Dirrell fights with his hands down, backs up against the ropes and tries to set traps to then bail himself out with speed and athleticism ala Roy Jones, the problem being that he doesn't have the freak speed and athleticism of a Roy Jones, so as it might be enough against the Hanshaws of this world, but eventually he's gonna run into a wall. Very few fighters can fight the way Dirrell attempts to at this highest level, you've be able to sit there and slip punches, be a phenom like Roy or Joe....they do things only they can get away with.

Dirrell is not one of those phenoms, I see him getting cought with a Cobra right cross with his stationary head without those neccessary reflexes and its all she wrote.

[Mandanda]

I said a few months back Froch will win late on and i'm sticking with it. Froch seems to be having a good camp for once....he might be fresh for this one and that's worrying considering he's won his last two with injuries that most fighters would pull out of fights with.

[Flea Man]

Seeing as there is footage of Dirrell getting flopped by a right hand from a nobody, gassing against Oganov after hitting him with the kitchen sink in the first two rounds and being unable to shift him, and moving backwards in a straight line with his chin in the air, I think it's clear to see that A) he doesn't have a huge amount of pop B) he isn't the super evasive slickster some make him out to be.

Froch will be strong for 12 rounds, Dirrell is decent but is no Floyd in terms of movement. I see Froch cutting him down in the middle rounds.

[whatcouldabeen]

very intriguing fight, lots of intangibles.

Dirrell has the better footwork, handspeed, agility and athleticism and is also slicker. He tends to switch hit ineffectively though and just for the sake of it as supposed to someone like Ward who uses it well for combat effectiveness. Dirrell relies on a block game rather then slipping and he's the more effective boxer puncher. many unanswered questions about him though like, his chin, heart, how he reacts to adversity and so on......two main problems for Dirrell are his inexperience and tendency to square up as he switches from southpaw to orthodox.

Froch as we know is a one dimentional fighter, he trys to box but lacks the fundamentals, he's stronger then dirrell and a better pressure fighter, he's more experienced and has tasted a higher level plus he's at home. Froch paws with his jab which will leave him to counters, he fights with his face although he has a very good beard. He's got this very bad habit of taking his right hand away from his guard after throwing a jab and literally pulling it back almost behind his head (like someone stretching after just waking up) in the opposite direction of the jab. this will leave him open to looping single shots particularly the left hook as dirrell switches. Carl is a sloppy fighter who swings very wide however there's a chance he catches dirrell with a killer right although it won't be the timing veriety of a technical assasin.

Two major keys to this fight: Whose stronger and can dirrell play keep away. Dirrell is not accomplished at this level and has been seen to be pressured easily. I think hanshaw had him buzzed which ain't a good sign for him, how will he deal with being away from home with a fighter who'll take him to places he hasnt been before?

I think Dirrell may have a lot of upside but he's up against the hardest style for him from the gate. Dirrell is not comfortable in keeping space and distance and not disciplined enough for outboxing over 12 rounds. He'll come in square up and leave that stationary head ripe for a Cobra right cross. Second half of the fight Frochy just walks him down and probabily ends it late. I think the inexperience and being away will take its toll on him. He'll need something special to take this one.


:good

i think if Dirrell does things right and trys to outbox Froch he can win, i'm going for Dirrell to do what Pascal couldn't and just win a decision

[trotter]

People picking Dirrell seem to be placing a lot of faith in his 'potential'

I'll stick with the guy who has actually delivered at this level before, thanks

Froch is vastly under rated IMO

[whatcouldabeen]

People picking Dirrell seem to be placing a lot of faith in his 'potential'

I'll stick with the guy who has actually delivered at this level before, thanks

Froch is vastly under rated IMO

i just think Froch can be beaten at any moment at this level with the way he fights, if and it maybe a big if Dirrell raises his game then he has the style to beat Froch.

[whatcouldabeen]

I said a few months back Froch will win late on and i'm sticking with it. Froch seems to be having a good camp for once....he might be fresh for this one and that's worrying considering he's won his last two with injuries that most fighters would pull out of fights with.

Froch is one tough moFo

[threethirteen]

I can't see Dirrell winning this, really. He's not got the attributes and explosiveness that Taylor did early on to keep Froch at a disadvantage, he doesn't have Pascal's speed and power to make Froch more careful and keep it close - he doesn't have the toughness of either.

Dirrell will do well early on, but he'll tire and Froch will start banging him to the body. Hopefully Froch has worked on his defence to help discourage Andre, but even without it, Froch hammers him late.

[whatcouldabeen]

I can't see Dirrell winning this, really. He's not got the attributes and explosiveness that Taylor did early on to keep Froch at a disadvantage, he doesn't have Pascal's speed and power to make Froch more careful and keep it close - he doesn't have the toughness of either.

Dirrell will do well early on, but he'll tire and Froch will start banging him to the body. Hopefully Froch has worked on his defence to help discourage Andre, but even without it, Froch hammers him late.

thats maybe the only thing i disagree with

[whatcouldabeen]

I think Froch will KO Dirrel even though I hate the cunt

why?

apart from his Calzaghe absession which seems to have been cured now

[slip&counter]

I can't see Dirrell winning this, really. He's not got the attributes and explosiveness that Taylor did early on to keep Froch at a disadvantage, he doesn't have Pascal's speed and power to make Froch more careful and keep it close - he doesn't have the toughness of either.

Dirrell will do well early on, but he'll tire and Froch will start banging him to the body. Hopefully Froch has worked on his defence to help discourage Andre, but even without it, Froch hammers him late.

I agree and its also the way i see it going. You hit the nail on the head and drove it through the 2x4

Dirrell kinda reminds me of Jeff Lacy, not in the style or fightgame but circumstances and the way his career could go with all these unanswered questions. Remember Lacy use to throw more combos, worked behind somewhat of a jab, and varied the speed on his punches. he now does NONE of that and is basically driving down the Highway called "Bum Freeway", lol.

Not only did Joe take Jeff's soul that night, but every fighter gets to study tape of Joe yelling, "he can't punch for shit"! Just like Douglas did to Tyson, the auro of invincibility goes out the door when another fighter thoroughly takes you to school and lays the blue print for others. So now we're left with a guy that is a shell of his former self, but the problem is that his former self wasn't even that seasoned.

This could happen to Dirrell if those questions about him ain't answered against Froch, If he's a fraud like Lacy was (although he's getting nowhere near the same hype so the expectations are not as high) then Carl takes him to Ambien land.

[Carnage]

After much deliberation I've decided Froch wins it, I weighed both sides up and just sneaked it with Froch, took me a while to decide that!!:roll::roll:

[Carnage]

Also, who put Dirrell KO on there, if there is anyway someone can take that out please do so, I mean this is a nice clean(...)forum and there are rules, that shit can be offensive to many!

[Mandanda]

Froch is one tough moFo
:yep

Just been watching the two fights on primetime and he took some absolute hammer in both fights and Froch doesn't flinch....that chin is ridiculous.

[Mandanda]

Also, who put Dirrell KO on there, if there is anyway someone can take that out please do so, I mean this is a nice clean(...)forum and there are rules, that shit can be offensive to many!
I presume BingBong was having a laugh otherwise he's not watched Froch fight.

[whatcouldabeen]

:yep

Just been watching the two fights on primetime and he took some absolute hammer in both fights and Froch doesn't flinch....that chin is ridiculous.

he won't have a massive shelf life though

did you think what primetime did of showing just brief highlight spots was good? i must my GF was in the room and she actually sat down and watched mainly because of it.

[threethirteen]

You need a mix - show the action to get people into it, then once they're interested, let them see the full matches. Pascal-Froch was thrilling, but Taylor-Froch only heated up towards the end, otherwise Froch was just getting a schooling till the 8th.

[whatcouldabeen]

You need a mix - show the action to get people into it, then once they're interested, let them see the full matches. Pascal-Froch was thrilling, but Taylor-Froch only heated up towards the end, otherwise Froch was just getting a schooling till the 8th.

how bad was that barry and rowling commentary btw

[threethirteen]

They knew the result going in - which was a bit pointless. It was cringeworthy.

[whatcouldabeen]

They knew the result going in - which was a bit pointless. It was cringeworthy.

showtimes was great though, they really got cought up in it and showed a lot of passion, "FROCH, TAYLOR, FROCH, HE'S READY...TO GO!" "CARL FROCH...I'M COMING HOME MA, WITH MY TITLE" :lol:

[slip&counter]

After much deliberation I've decided Froch wins it, I weighed both sides up and just sneaked it with Froch, took me a while to decide that!!:roll::roll:

like you were ever gonna go the other way :D

[Mandanda]

he won't have a massive shelf life though

did you think what primetime did of showing just brief highlight spots was good? i must my GF was in the room and she actually sat down and watched mainly because of it.
Yeah agreed...to many shots like that ain't a good thing at all.

Yeah i think it was a good thing because people can see what Froch is all about without having to sit there for 2 hours. It will draw in casual fans and as much as we moan about them...we do need them in the sport as they will help line the pockets of these modern day warriors.

[whatcouldabeen]

i'm going for the upset

i think dirrell will surprise us and win this

i have a bad feeling for froch

[whatcouldabeen]

I see great fight between these two!!

I see Dirrell starting off fast looking good...settling into world level with ease and boxing off the back foot well and tagging a on coming Froch with flashy combination's and pot shots and moving away. Froch as normal will stalk and look to catch Dirrell with hard shots to welcome him to world level. He may give away early rounds as he lets Dirrell work off back foot. There's signs it can turn into a cracking fight as Dirrell gets clipped a few times and he reply's back but i think will try hard to avoid trading with Froch. As the fight goes on from round 4 to 8 i see Froch taking some rounds and catching Dirrell and starting to put it on Dirrell.

Dirrell now is starting to show some of the green that we were concerned about he's switch hitting is to risky and he's getting caught and also starting to unravel under the intense pressure. He's now backing up into corners and not looking as slick. He still doing well but there's signs of him getting flustered he is also looking a bit tired....Froch by 8-10 is catching up with him and hitting him with good clean shots especially short jab right over top as Dirrell backs up in straight line. Froch will starting timing his movements and start to land high looping shots.

Dirrell will make the mistake of backing up into corner like did in first 20 seconds of Hamshaw fight and late in fight will be caught and hurt and Froch will stalk and make him pay and stop him by round 11. Dirrell is nice to watch but takes to many risks especially the switch hitting....he backs himself into corner and can be caught and also shows signs that if hurt will trade. I see him falling short....it's ok him saying i will be complete in this fight...no mistakes but he hasn't mixed at this level and when he taking risks as if it second nature i don't see him staying disciplined for full 12 rounds and i expect Froch to perform a lot better then last time out.

Dirrell has strength and fast flashy shots but i'm concerned that his game plan will be to cautious and he will struggle to fight off back foot for so long. To me he looks ragged at times and doesn't look as slick as Ward and i think it will end in game defeat for the young yank.

Froch TKO 9-11 Rounds!!!


good analysis but i disagree i think Dirrell will pull this off

[Mandanda]

good analysis but i disagree i think Dirrell will pull this off
:good cheers mate

yeah i can see reason why people like yourself have a feeling for Dirrell....i'm hoping the proper Froch shows up or he will not be leaving the arena with the tiny green strap. Cannot Wait for this :happy

[mryeags]

Dirrell on the seat of his pants early .... look at the guys stance too square on and he cant run for 12 rounds .... after watching Froch against a high quality performer in Pascal hes like spiderman ... his long arms will be connecting with Dirrell far too often for his yankee followings liking ....

Dirrells in for a world of pain in the early hours of sunday morning , hes out of his depth and way out of his league .... im afraid olympic medals at the amateur game mean nothing when ur in front of 10000 patriotic fans and one of the top SMW pro boxers ! ... Dirrells career will be finished by the time the super 6 is done ....

[whatcouldabeen]

Dirrell on the seat of his pants early .... look at the guys stance too square on and he cant run for 12 rounds .... after watching Froch against a high quality performer in Pascal hes like spiderman ... his long arms will be connecting with Dirrell far too often for his yankee followings liking ....

Dirrells in for a world of pain in the early hours of sunday morning , hes out of his depth and way out of his league .... im afraid olympic medals at the amateur game mean nothing when ur in front of 10000 patriotic fans and one of the top SMW pro boxers ! ... Dirrells career will be finished by the time the super 6 is done ....

no chance that happens, i see dirrell winning this fight

[whatcouldabeen]

when did Dirrell arrive in the UK?

[Broxi]

Are there any tickets left for the fight?

[whatcouldabeen]

Are there any tickets left for the fight?

i think there are, but it'll be packed out on the night

[indie_uk1]

Direll wont win this, Froch keeps up tjhe same amount of pressure in rd 12 that he will in rd 1 without losinh a huge amount of power over the distance. Once he evtntually starts landing and that may be rounds 5 onwards, direll will start to fade much like taylor did when he was hit hard

[slip&counter]

can't wait

I've got Froch walking him down late, i can just see the towel coming in after a Froch flurry of unanswered punches in about the 9th or 10th

Dirrell is what i call a swagger jacker, by that i mean he trys to fight like someone who has phenom athleticism like Roy Jones or Calzaghe who do things only they can get away with, because he hasn't got the attributes to fight like that it means he'll be eating a lot of shots and thats bad news against a grafter like Froch who just keeps coming and won't get discouraged.

[Spaniel]

Dirrell also seems to just square up and flail away at his opponents with his chin in the air like a (very) poor man's Calzaghe when he goes on the attack. I just can't see him not being dropped with an uppercut or counter right hand, assuming he's stupid enough to try this tactic.

[theuppercut]

Firstly, I'd rather see Froch win because it'd be better for the tournament and boxing. Dirrell seems like a case of believing his own hype and buying into a lot of the American negativity that surrounded Froch's last performance.

I said ages ago that this fight will come down to the trenches. Which is where Froch will survive and stop this man. The trenches is Froch's home and whilst he may not be as technincally good as Direll this is what will win him the fight. At some point he's gonna close that gap and land the right hand.

I will also say that if Dirrell gets cocky and starts showboating then Froch will fucking flatten him and it'll be lights out. The only way that Dirrell wins this is by getting on his bike for 12rds and against Froch he will not be able to do that. All it will take will be one or two sustained burst of combos from the Cobra and that'll be it.

[yogster740]

75% of the participants in this poll think Froch will win via KO?
compared to 1% for a Dirrell KO?


I smell alot of bias from our English friends here.
Dirrell will surprise many come Saturday night.

[theuppercut]

75% of the participants in this poll think Froch will win via KO?
compared to 1% for a Dirrell KO?


I smell alot of bias from our English friends here.
Dirrell will surprise many come Saturday night.

And I assume it's the same on the general forum but in reverse? Dirrell will school him etc etc.

And I ain't English - I'm Scottish.

[KERRZO]

And I assume it's the same on the general forum but in reverse? Dirrell will school him etc etc.

And I ain't English - I'm Scottish.

Me 2 brother, Froch will still smash him 2 bits!!! :happy

[slip&counter]

you found anyone to flog them to yet, Kerrzo?

[slip&counter]

To those attenting this fight....it's a breath of fresh air to hear fellow ESB members get so pumped up for a fight live and in the flesh. I hope you all get your money's worth as I see this being a attritional war either way. I have a good feeling about this tourney as a whole because I see it as the launching point and clean slate for fair judging across the board and a shot in the arm for Boxing into '10. No matter if a fight goes down in Nottingham, Copenhagen, Berlin, Oakland etc., I bet the judging will be forthright.

[Dan684]

Agreed Slip - I'm half as excited about meeting some of the lads from the site. Add that to what should be a great fight and this is something i'm really looking forward too

[JonOli]

Dirrell has never gone twelve rounds. Froch can't keep relying on late salvage jobs though, as eventually he will come up short.

[foreverleeds]

To those attenting this fight....it's a breath of fresh air to hear fellow ESB members get so pumped up for a fight live and in the flesh. I hope you all get your money's worth as I see this being a attritional war either way. I have a good feeling about this tourney as a whole because I see it as the launching point and clean slate for fair judging across the board and a shot in the arm for Boxing into '10. No matter if a fight goes down in Nottingham, Copenhagen, Berlin, Oakland etc., I bet the judging will be forthright.


Well said :good

There's no doubt that this tournament will give boxing a boost!

We have 6 very talented fighters involved, all with different strengths and weaknesses - meaning that people can't sit back before the tournament starts and say this fighter or that fighter will definitely win.

It's my first Live fight on Saturday too - hopefully the first of many!

[whatcouldabeen]

I can't wait for Dirrell to show his class and outbox Froch, you are all in for a shock

[BURNLEYBLUE]

Gone for Froch Ko. Really looking forward to this fight. Love Frochs attitude.
No one really knows how good this Dirrel is. Top amateur,but largely untested as a pro.
From what little I've seen,he's got very fast hands,but no accuracy.
The Hanshaw fight shows he has decent power,after his man had shot his bolt.But goin off the 2 early kd's(not ruled) Froch should walk right through him.
Did'nt look to have much of a dig in the Oganov fight.Seemed to slap and cuff a lot,did'nt give any angles.But said he was the strongest man he'd faced and he'd never been as sore after a fight.
Think he'll be very sore come sunday morning. He'll be fast and competative for 5/6 rnds,may even be ahead.He'll use up a lot of nervous energy.But then i feel Froch will be to strong and powerfull for him,and stop him.

[whatcouldabeen]

Gone for Froch Ko. Really looking forward to this fight. Love Frochs attitude.
No one really knows how good this Dirrel is. Top amateur,but largely untested as a pro.
From what little I've seen,he's got very fast hands,but no accuracy.
The Hanshaw fight shows he has decent power,after his man had shot his bolt.But goin off the 2 early kd's(not ruled) Froch should walk right through him.
Did'nt look to have much of a dig in the Oganov fight.Seemed to slap and cuff a lot,did'nt give any angles.But said he was the strongest man he'd faced and he'd never been as sore after a fight.
Think he'll be very sore come sunday morning. He'll be fast and competative for 5/6 rnds,may even be ahead.He'll use up a lot of nervous energy.But then i feel Froch will be to strong and powerfull for him,and stop him.

everyone here is underestimating Dirrells capabilities

you are in for a massive surprise

[charliesharkey]

Way I see it going, Dirrell looks good early, very fast. Gets flash tagged and dropped around 3 or 4, gets on his bike but gets walked down and knocked out before end of 8th.
Dirrell backs off when he's tagged and can get cornered where he'll trade. One thing he cant do against Froch is trade.

[slip&counter]

Thinking about these two fights at the weekend a little more, i'm really convinced that they're fairly easy to call and not 50/50 as many including myself initially thought.

I'll put it simply and bluntly, i think Dirrell is a imposter he's a fake ass Roy Jones wonna be. Froch will walk him down like Jason does those chicks in Friday the 13th lol And Taylor will outbox AA early and then hit a wall like always.

[John18]

Just watched a bit more of Dirrell, thats the Oganov fight specifically.

I don't really see why anyone could think Froch won't stop him. The way he moved, the combinations he threw in that 1st round, I just can't see him denting Froch.

His punches do not have enough on them to stop Froch. At worst, Froch will take a round or 2 to get used to the speed of the flurries. His chin is relativly high almost all the time, Froch is going to hit him while absorbing a flurry and floor him.

I'm really confident about this fight as Dirrell is not the fighter that is being described to us by the Americans.

If he wins, he will need to show me something he hasn't before.

And for the record I'm Scottish.

[UndisputedUK]

Dirrell can't maintain distance and hasn't got the discipline to outbox against a pressure fighter with a very good chin like Froch, he hasn't got the pop to back him up and he's not alert enough and just not well rounded enough to fight an effective/perfect boxer/puncher fight. He's a sucker for a right cross (one of Froch's best punches) and will be eating it all night. I don't think Carl will have a tough time pursuing him and has the ability to end this with one punch.

Strangely both these guys are different in style but similar in delivering their attributes...in there words they both display fundamental deficiencies, throw single punches with obvious leads, favour throwing more powerful single punches such as hooks and uppercuts, both open to counter punches etc Froch has the better ability to absorb more punishment with the better power and chin.

How you can say dirrell has the more Will is beyond me, Thats one of his main unanswered questions along with his inexperience, Froch is jason the dude just keeps coming and has almost 24 rounds with Pascal and Taylor which is a wealth of experience in comparison to Dirrell who hasn't sniffed this level let alone showcasing substancial amounts of Will. Dirrell is a live underdog but needs a career defining performance to last the Distance.

Watch that vid. Mandanda posted its very relevent to what we're discussing, check the ease in which he's pressured and backed up (Froch is gonna be on him late like a pack of dogs on a three-legged cat) look at the squaring up with little head movement and against Hanshaw? not to mention he's away from his element in carls backyard, not to mention this is his toughest fight to date by far, not to mention Froch is gonna take him to places he ain't been before...This is the big league and if he's going to run with the big boys he better learn how to pee in the tall grass....and QUICK! this is froch's fight.

I agree the rounds with Taylor and Pascal were great experience.

[TheUzi]

Should be a decent scrap.....

If Froch pulls through this then I will have to eat humble pie and finally give him his dues.

Anyway-

Dirrel POINTS 9/2 SKYBET.

[Dan684]

Good article here :good

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[phonk]

Froch is going to hammer Dirrell.

Really looking forward to this fight.

[fast hands]

Froch wins this one. Dirrell is overrated. But with a very limited technique Froch suffers
his first pro loss [ by stoppage ] later in the Super 6.

[whatcouldabeen]

Dirrell will win this easily

people on here are underestimating him

you are all in for a shock

he will outbox Froch

[whatcouldabeen]

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[DamonD]

Late stoppage for Froch, probably while behind on the cards.

Dirrell looks quick but I wonder how he'll deal with the pressure. He seems a bit too jittery.

[Flea Man]

Dirrell will win this easily

people on here are underestimating him

you are all in for a shock

he will outbox Froch

yeah but you have no fuckin clue of boxing

[whatcouldabeen]

yeah but you have no fuckin clue of boxing

:patsch

pot. kettle. black

you're one of the worst posters on here

i've noticed you make shit up

talk a lot of crap

and your boxing knowledge is non existent when you don't look up boxrec

[The-Holmes-Show]

The fight will be as Mandanda posted, if you have a look through my last posts you will see i have said exactly the same, This fight will be very similar to the AA vs JT fight in the outcome,
Dirrell like Taylor will win the first few rounds looking flashy, but once they are dragged kicking and screaming into deep water and there stamina starts to slow the bangers in Froch and AA will really begin to start landing and will both win by late ko. Top post mandanda i could not have posted any better mate...

[Flea Man]

:patsch

pot. kettle. black

you're one of the worst posters on here

i've noticed you make shit up

talk a lot of crap

and your boxing knowledge is non existent when you don't look up boxrec
that's funny coz u sent me numerous pm's saying u respected
me. Guess you're another cotto20 pseudonym hence why u hate me....and I'm well known for NOT checking boxrec troll

[Darni187]

This super 6 showdown is great for boxing, Froch is going to KO this punk.

[Flea Man]

Actually couldbe or wotever the fuck your name is your posting style is highly reminiscent of another troll, anyone care to get there before? Give you a clue.....Wales

[threethirteen]

Actually, Flea - you're a good poster. I usually look forward to reading your analysis of big fights. Anyone thinking Dirrell's going to be a world beater is dreaming. He'll take his beating and move on.

[Flea Man]

Actually, Flea - you're a good poster. I usually look forward to reading your analysis of big fights. Anyone thinking Dirrell's going to be a world beater is dreaming. He'll take his beating and move on.

Well I like to think I actually WATCH fights before making a pick and analysis and thoroughly study both fighters. Trolls hate me because I own them on a regular basis :good

[Flea Man]

As I say this particular troll sent me a friend request and several pm's saying how good a poster I was. What a sad, demented twat.

[The-Holmes-Show]

As I say this particular troll sent me a friend request and several pm's saying how good a poster I was. What a sad, demented twat.

Is it the same as this post he sent me?
''Alright, mate? [Only registered and activated users can see links]

question for ya, as you're a poster i respect which other posters should i look out for on the Brit forum? which ones are the most knowledgable and talk sense?

what do you think of slip&counter, gpater and kosaros in particular?''

[ScouseLad]

Haha I got that but with "what do you think slip&counter, gazoc, kosaros and Gpater in particular?"

Weird, weird man!

[The-Holmes-Show]

Haha I got that but with "what do you think slip&counter, gazoc, kosaros and Gpater in particular?"

Weird, weird man!

The kid is a cock, end of. He says things like 'lock thread and thread steal', when he post out the most obvious of points. His total lack of repect to good posters is appauling.

[Flea Man]

Is it the same as this post he sent me?
''Alright, mate? [Only registered and activated users can see links]

question for ya, as you're a poster i respect which other posters should i look out for on the Brit forum? which ones are the most knowledgable and talk sense?

what do you think of slip&counter, gpater and kosaros in particular?''

Yep but with different posters.

What a dick. I wouldn't usually do this but I think Clive Barkers minion needs to be informed:good

[Flea Man]

It's either Flint or Cotto20. I've never had any beef with Flint before but this;

Stupid Phrase

Stupid Shit

More Crap

form of posting is similar to his, and Cotto20 hates me for constantly rumbling his attempts to post on this board under pseudonyms.

[Flea Man]

Got this first which was weird because I'd never even acknowledged him before

'i'm NOT that bitch from the guardian FFS, someone put 2 and 2 together and came up with 30...

i'm genuine, right and proper!

i had you down as a sensible poster as well '

then I got

'OK, mate

question for ya, as you're a poster i respect which other posters should i look out for here, which ones are the most knowledgable and talk sense?'

Then I got (after saying I got on with a fair few posters

'you're so modest

what do you think of slip&counter gaz and dabb?'



Freak.

[AttilaHun]

I´m leaning towards Froch beating American by points maybe about 116-112.

Dirrell has not been yet in any enough tough fights so that is a clear advantage for Froch.

Froch is also clear favourite in many betting sites. I put 50Euros for Froch at PAF ( [Only registered and activated users can see links] ) where also is available another good fight in UK now this weekend (Booth-Hunter).

[theuppercut]

Got this first which was weird because I'd never even acknowledged him before

'i'm NOT that bitch from the guardian FFS, someone put 2 and 2 together and came up with 30...

i'm genuine, right and proper!

i had you down as a sensible poster as well '


I got that too I'd no idea what the fuck was going on so I replied with 'eh'?

[Flea Man]

Got this first which was weird because I'd never even acknowledged him before

'i'm NOT that bitch from the guardian FFS, someone put 2 and 2 together and came up with 30...

i'm genuine, right and proper!

i had you down as a sensible poster as well '


I got that too I'd no idea what the fuck was going on so I replied with 'eh'?

As I say, not usually petty but I think Clive Barkers boy needs to be notified.

[SeasideSlugger]

I got that too, just ignored it , odd.

[Beeston Brawler]

As soon as he said he respected me I ignored it.

Must be an alias :deal

[wow_junky]

Froch by KO, the round will depend on how much heart Dirrell shows :)

I reckon around the 8th or 9th though

[KingCobra]

You've done a great analysis of Froch and Dirrell on this thread. Basically Froch is one dimensional but awkward, tough, good jab and right hand. Dirrell is athletic and fast but lacks decent fundamentals. Dirrells resolve and toughness are as yet unproven. Both guys have flaws in their defence but Froch compensates for his with excellent conditioning and a good beard. If Froch keeps his game tight, doesn't get sloppy and keeps his hands up a little more than he has recently I reckon Froch takes this by TKO within 10 rounds.

[Flea Man]

You've done a great analysis of Froch and Dirrell on this thread. Basically Froch is one dimensional but awkward, tough, good jab and right hand. Dirrell is athletic and fast but lacks decent fundamentals. Dirrells resolve and toughness are as yet unproven. Both guys have flaws in their defence but Froch compensates for his with excellent conditioning and a good beard. If Froch keeps his game tight, doesn't get sloppy and keeps his hands up a little more than he has recently I reckon Froch takes this by TKO within 10 rounds.

You up for a beer 2moro son?

[hitandhope]

I've had a nice bet on Froch to stop Dirrell, and was going to have a saver on Dirrell on points as the odds are bigger than I thought. After watching Dirrell at the head to head I haven't bothered. Any fighter that gets so wound up has lost half the battle for me. If he wins now, after his obvious weight troubles too, he really must be something special.

Carl mid to late round stoppage I think. I really don't want to see him taking the volume of punches he ate from Pascal and Taylor though.

[The-Holmes-Show]

It looks like whatcouldabeen has done one, busted by the esb faithful, kid was a prick anyway...

[Flea Man]

Just like I've done to Cotto20 a coupla times lol

[KingCobra]

You up for a beer 2moro son?

I'd really like to mate but I'm driving and bringing my dad who's late 50's so his partying days are over. We're aiming to get through the door just before 10 so we catch AA vs JT but don't spend an age hanging around the arena. Thanks for the offer though, hope you have a great night. :good

[KingCobra]

I've had a nice bet on Froch to stop Dirrell, and was going to have a saver on Dirrell on points as the odds are bigger than I thought. After watching Dirrell at the head to head I haven't bothered. Any fighter that gets so wound up has lost half the battle for me. If he wins now, after his obvious weight troubles too, he really must be something special.

Carl mid to late round stoppage I think. I really don't want to see him taking the volume of punches he ate from Pascal and Taylor though.

I got a bet on "Exact method of winning" Froch by TKO. 4/11 odds. Seemed like too good a deal to pass up. Just watch Froch spark out cold now - still wouldn't complain if he did :yep

[slip&counter]

You've done a great analysis of Froch and Dirrell on this thread. Basically Froch is one dimensional but awkward, tough, good jab and right hand. Dirrell is athletic and fast but lacks decent fundamentals. Dirrells resolve and toughness are as yet unproven. Both guys have flaws in their defence but Froch compensates for his with excellent conditioning and a good beard. If Froch keeps his game tight, doesn't get sloppy and keeps his hands up a little more than he has recently I reckon Froch takes this by TKO within 10 rounds.

cheers, we try our best :good

Not long to now....I think Dirrel can win if he keep his hands and feet moving and pot shot. He sits still/stationary and switch hits then its game over! He can not afford to mix it up. Froch might get tagged all day but has that great beard and how long can AD keep it up? thats the big question for me.

On JT vs AA, well Taylor is like going to a Tesco's or Mc Donalds....you know what your gonna get everytime. And thats the funny thing. You think he would improve his approach but JT ALWAYS fades at the end.

I think its a open and shut case, but i'm still looking forward to it lol

[Boro chris]

Got this first which was weird because I'd never even acknowledged him before

'i'm NOT that bitch from the guardian FFS, someone put 2 and 2 together and came up with 30...

i'm genuine, right and proper!

i had you down as a sensible poster as well '

.

Thats exactly the same message I got from him/her!:lol:
What a weirdo!!