Jack Dempsey v Jersey Joe Walcott

[McGrain]

Walcott proved troublesome for great punchers Marciano and Louis. How does he do with a peak Jack Dempsey?

[Maxmomer]

Dempsey would do what Marciano did, only quicker and without taking as much damage.

[Luigi1985]

Dempsey would do what Marciano did, only quicker and without taking as much damage.


Why´re you overrating Dempsey so much? In which fights showed he, that he could KO Walcott quicker than Marciano (13th round KO and 1st round KO)?

[Maxmomer]

i think Jack Johnson is right when he said that Dempsey is the best 4-round fighter ever but after that 4 rounds he´s just another hooker.

That doesn't make any sense. He was a two handed puncher who could knock you out in any round with either hand with any punch.

[Luigi1985]

That doesn't make any sense. He was a two handed puncher who could knock you out in any round with either hand with any punch.


Why did he need so many clear punches against a shot Willard for example? I know that Jess had a good chin, but even though...

[Maxmomer]

I was referring to Marciano's first fight with Walcott, in which Walcott basically gave the best performance of his career. I feel that Dempsey would KO him quicker than Marciano did in their first fight because Dempsey was a faster starter as well as a faster and more accurate puncher. I don't think He'd get a first round KO, though, as Walcott was too good for that, but when Marciano managed that Walcott was nearly 40 and I feel that he basically gave up.

[Maxmomer]

Why did he need so many clear punches against a shot Willard for example? I know that Jess had a good chin, but even though...

A good chin? His chin was granite and he was as tough and durable as they come, yet Dempsey still managed to knock him down 7 times in 1 round, and the last knockdown Willard was down longer than 10 but was saved by the bell.

[Luigi1985]

Well, Marciano isn´t a particular fast starter but is consistent strong over the whole distance. Dempsey starts very strong, and there is is imo better than Marciano, but then drops a level or two giving good boxers the chance to outbox him.



Yeah, Dempsey was a fast starter, but he never faced a HW masterboxer like Walcott (except Tunney, but I don´t count that, because Jack wasn´t peak), Jersey Joe was a tricky fighter, who could have survided the first rounds, and if he would have done that, I would pick him to outbox badly Jack and win viá late TKO...

[Maxmomer]

Yes, you are right but his most dangerous punches are his hooks.

That could be said about most fighters. He had great hooks, but all of his punches were effective, he was not nearly as 1 dimensional as that Johnson quote implies.

[Luigi1985]

A good chin? His chin was granite and he was as tough and durable as they come, yet Dempsey still managed to knock him down 7 times in 1 round, and the last knockdown Willard was down longer than 10 but was saved by the bell.


You overact. Willard´s chin was never tested by an elite fighter who could punch, except against Dempsey and we know what happened...

[Maxmomer]

Yeah, Dempsey was a fast starter, but he never faced a HW masterboxer like Walcott (except Tunney, but I don´t count that, because Jack wasn´t peak), Jersey Joe was a tricky fighter, who could have survided the first rounds, and if he would have done that, I would pick him to outbox badly Jack and win viá late TKO...

Again with this mis-conception that Dempsey fades after the early rounds. He can stay live and dangerous enough for the distance and carries his KO power throughout a fight. There is a chance that Walcott could get a decision, but I doubt it. Dempsey would win by early-mid round KO or TKO, IMO.

[Luigi1985]

Again with this mis-conception that Dempsey fades after the early rounds. He can stay live and dangerous enough for the distance and carries his KO power throughout a fight. There is a chance that Walcott could get a decision, but I doubt it. Dempsey would win by early-mid round KO or TKO, IMO.


Of course, I know, it´s a myth that Dempsey was only dangerous in the early rounds, but it´s right, at the beginning he was very dangerous.

[Maxmomer]

You overact. Willard´s chin was never tested by an elite fighter who could punch, except against Dempsey and we know what happened...

Maybe not a big puncher, but he did take everything Jack Johnson had to offer over 26 rounds before getting the Knock Out and it took big puncher Louis Firpo (fellow victim of Dempsey's) 8 rounds to KO a badly shot willard.

[Maxmomer]

Yes, he was. Like Tyson he just fought one way that´s nothing bad if you are very good at that but it is 1 dimensional.
He fought one style because it was the most effective style, but he could box when he had to, he had the skill. And yes, I know Johnson wasn't a monster puncher, still, 26 rounds of punishment before getting a knock out spells ultra durable to me.

[Luigi1985]

Maybe not a big puncher, but he did take everything Jack Johnson had to offer over 26 rounds before getting the Knock Out and it took big puncher Louis Firpo (fellow victim of Dempsey's) 8 rounds to KO a badly shot willard.


I don´t say Willard didn´t have a very good chin, but it´s also a bit untested, Walcott on the other side faced 2 of the greatest punchers ever, in Louis and Marciano, so it´s normal that he suffered some KO- losses...

[Maxmomer]

I don´t say Willard didn´t have a very good chin, but it´s also a bit untested, Walcott on the other side faced 2 of the greatest punchers ever, in Louis and Marciano, so it´s normal that he suffered some KO- losses...
Man, I'm getting so damn tired of defending Dempsey, I'm not even sure what we're talking about anymore.:tired I'm just going to re-state my opinion that Dempsey would get a KO early or mid rounds, if Marciano could, I don't doubt Dempsey could, too.

[Holmes' Jab]

Walcott survives the initital barrage, and then procedes to outbox Dempsey for a majority of the fight, that is until Dempsey eventually finds his range with a cracking right hand which puts Walcott down for the count some time during the later rounds.

Dempsey TKO13 Walcott

[mcvey]

You overact. Willard´s chin was never tested by an elite fighter who could punch, except against Dempsey and we know what happened...
Willard took the best shots of a very dangerous puncher in Gunboat Smith without going down ,SDmith had this to say about Willards chin,"With willard ,after I threw my best punch at him,his hair wiggled a little bit.Thats all,I said holy Jesusthat was my best punch.No detours ,right from the floor,right on his chinI says wait a minute,Ill have to try that again.I tried it again,nothing happened." "I of course had my gloves loaded,I had insulation tape laid across my hands"."I went 20 rounds and won the decision.But I couldnt knock him outthats what I couldnt understand.I found out nobody was going to knock him out ". Willard had a top chin.

[mcvey]

Walcott proved troublesome for great punchers Marciano and Louis. How does he do with a peak Jack Dempsey?
I like Dempsey early,Walcott was a cutie but when he fought Louis ,the Bomber was further down the road than him a prime louis kos Walcott inside 10 ,Demsey due to his faster agressive style does it quicker ,inside 8 rounds,Dempsey had Marcianos agression in spades and he was quicker with his punches and more elusive.

[Street Lethal]

Interesting matchup. Walcott was not a runner like Tunney. Walcott also had chin problems. On the other hand, Dempsey, despite being innovative for his time, was not at the skill level of boxers of Walcott's era. I pick Walcott to outpoint Dempsey, maybe even stop him late.

[Minotauro]

I actually think Walcott has a good chance he is very hard to hit and throws punches from all angles and has good power. If Tunney could drop Dempsey then so could Walcott if Joe can survive the first few rounds I think he'll win, also Dempsey was very inactive in his prime and a fighter like Walcott could mess up with his timing even if your only slightly rusty. Are we assuming they have the neutral corner rule as well which would favour Walcott because if he did go down he would be given time to clear his head, which most of Dempsey opponents were unable to do.

[red cobra]

I feel that Walcott would have troubled Dempsey greatly. I'm not saying that he would have necessarily beaten Dempsey, but it was possible. More than likely, he would have been caught at one point or another, and that would be it, Dempsey was a brutal and conclusive finisher and it could very much come from just one punch. Up until that time, however, Jersey Joe would give him fits, and would be leading on points, win or lose. It's possible, like I said, that Walcott could have pilled an upset, on points, but a rematch might have prove to be very different. I love Walcott, I think he's fascinating. A great selftaught, brilliant, clever, defensive whiz. He could screw things up for so many of the great ones on any given night.

[Amsterdam]

Why´re you overrating Dempsey so much? In which fights showed he, that he could KO Walcott quicker than Marciano (13th round KO and 1st round KO)?

Maybe because Dempsey went out and blasted people stylistically, Marciano most of the time grinded them down.

[Mendoza]

Walcott was never an aggressive fighter. He was a passive opportunist who liked to catch his man off balance and counter. Dempsey was too explosive and hit too hard. He would force Walcott to fight, and knock him out. I see a mid round TKO win for Dempsey.

[Nemesis]

Dempsey hand speed would be far too much for Jersey Joe IMO

[Nemesis]

Walcott survives the initital barrage, and then procedes to outbox Dempsey for a majority of the fight, that is until Dempsey eventually finds his range with a cracking right hand which puts Walcott down for the count some time during the later rounds.

Dempsey TKO13 Walcott

He's fighting Dempsey, not Marciano ;)

[C. M. Clay II]

Walcott would be down at least four times in this fight. By the 5th round, Dempsey finishes him off with a blistering combination. Walcott had speed, but Dempsey's cat-footed rushes will eventually get to him. Simply put, his chin would fail him.

Jack Dempsey KO 5 Jersey Joe Walcott:good

[Bummy Davis]

Walcott was a master boxer/puncher and I could see him giving Dempsey a lot of trouble as he did Marciano and Louis but I think Dempsey would prevail as did Louis and Marciano but Walcott could upset a lot of the ATG"S on a good night