Coleman vs Kerr

[scurlaruntings]

Prime for prime who was the better fighter?

[MaliSlamusrex]

Coleman.

[scurlaruntings]

Coleman.I dont see it. If Kerr hadnt of been such a drug addict i think he would have had far more success than he did. He was practically unstoppable in his early years plus he was far more evolved than Coleman. I remember Coleman saying once that when they took away headbutts he had to learn a whole bunch of new moves?!?! :lol: Considering Colemans dimension he done fine out of MMA.

[Vitor Belfort]

Kerr was a beast in his prime. I like the smashing machine better.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Overall, Kerr may have been more well rounded. Coleman was the better fighter. Kerr really couldn't overcome adversity, or push through the pain threshold. If they ever fought head to head Coleman would have beat Kerr rather easily. His wrestling was head and shoulders above Kerr and Kerr would have been on his back the entire fight.

[scurlaruntings]

Overall, Kerr may have been more well rounded. Coleman was the better fighter. Kerr really couldn't overcome adversity, or push through the pain threshold. If they ever fought head to head Coleman would have beat Kerr rather easily. His wrestling was head and shoulders above Kerr and Kerr would have been on his back the entire fight.
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Kerr had an abornomally high pain threshold because of the drugs. But you're probably correct that was also his downfall. Mark was more focused than Kerr but defintly not more talented. Its a shame they never fought at the GP.

[Beebs]

Well actually I've thought about this a lot, probably even come to different conclusions.

The more I think about it though, Kerr had better subs and striking, but not good enough of either to win the fight with.

It is basically a matter of who can outwrestle and outcontrol the other; Coleman was the better wrestler in their prime. Maybe if it was in actual time, IE with Coleman being older than Kerr, Kerr would have more of an advantage. Kerr also lacked the level of intangiables that Coleman had; I've never seen Coleman take the easy way out of a fight, even at 45, Kerr did it in his prime.

[scurlaruntings]

Well actually I've thought about this a lot, probably even come to different conclusions.

The more I think about it though, Kerr had better subs and striking, but not good enough of either to win the fight with.

It is basically a matter of who can outwrestle and outcontrol the other; Coleman was the better wrestler in their prime. Maybe if it was in actual time, IE with Coleman being older than Kerr, Kerr would have more of an advantage. Kerr also lacked the level of intangiables that Coleman had; I've never seen Coleman take the easy way out of a fight, even at 45, Kerr did it in his prime.Coleman was on gear but he wasnt juiced up to the gills on opiates like Kerr was. The man was a bonafide drug addict.

[Beebs]

Coleman was on gear but he wasnt juiced up to the gills on opiates like Kerr was. The man was a bonafide drug addict.

So was Paulo Filho, never seen him just give up and quit fighting.

[scurlaruntings]

So was Paulo Filho, never seen him just give up and quit fighting.Im not talking just hormones im talking narcotics opiates etc. Kerr's head was a mess. Remember he OD'ed once.

[Mob]

Coleman.

[Hrak]

Kerr physically was the better athlete but Coleman was mentally tougher, so overall Coleman takes it.

[sitiyzal]

Coleman, because Kerr was a complete pussy.

[Beebs]

Im not talking just hormones im talking narcotics opiates etc. Kerr's head was a mess. Remember he OD'ed once.

Same here, Filbo was heavily into Rophynol, went to rehab between the Sonnen fights. Maybe I'm misunderstanding and you are saying a prime Kerr would me drug free, but I don't think that's a reasonable comparison, he did all his best fighting while abusing drugs, that was the prime Kerr.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

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Kerr had an abornomally high pain threshold because of the drugs. But you're probably correct that was also his downfall. Mark was more focused than Kerr but defintly not more talented. Its a shame they never fought at the GP.
Trust me... Coleman manhandles Kerr while grappling. Kerr wouldn't knock him out standing... Coleman wins that fight. He wins it now, and he would have won it 10 years ago. Even when Kerr would be jacked up on everything, he still had a weak pain threshold when it came to dealing with shots or adversity... it's a mental weakness. Not that he would be knocked out easily... but that he would mentally cave in. That began happening before he got off the drugs. After he got off the drugs he just outright sucked.

Your theory of Kerr being more talented depends on how you look at it. Was he more talented in an all around sense? I would say so... was he more talented at what they each did best? No. Bread and butter for both was wrestling, and Coleman was much better. That's the problem for Kerr in a head to head matchup. Coleman WILL take Kerr down, and Coleman would definitely win that fight.

[scurlaruntings]

Trust me... Coleman manhandles Kerr while grappling. Kerr wouldn't knock him out standing... Coleman wins that fight. He wins it now, and he would have won it 10 years ago. Even when Kerr would be jacked up on everything, he still had a weak pain threshold when it came to dealing with shots or adversity... it's a mental weakness. Not that he would be knocked out easily... but that he would mentally cave in. That began happening before he got off the drugs. After he got off the drugs he just outright sucked.

Your theory of Kerr being more talented depends on how you look at it. Was he more talented in an all around sense? I would say so... was he more talented at what they each did best? No. Bread and butter for both was wrestling, and Coleman was much better. That's the problem for Kerr in a head to head matchup. Coleman WILL take Kerr down, and Coleman would definitely win that fight.
I think you do have a point. Kerr reminded me alot of Tyson for some reason. Mentally he was very easy to crumble and thrived completely on the response he'd get from his fans and the illusion the drugs gave him. Mark on the other hand was for want of a better word a consumate meathead with a cast iron will who refused to listen to what any of the naysayers had to say. But then he also had a family to feed.