UFC putting on pre- lims to steal from Boxing

[McAllister]

UFC 103 undercard to be telvised on Spike TV
August 20th, 2009, 5:29 pm · Post a Comment · posted by CARLOS ARIAS

The “UFC 103: Franklin vs. Belfort” pay-per-view card is going toe-to-toe with the Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Juan Manuel Marquez HBO pay-per-view event on Sept. 19.

The UFC is known for its creative marketing and counter-programming tactics and it looks like the MMA giant has come up with a good plan to beef up awareness for UFC 103.

The UFC will air a two-hour telecast of the UFC 103 undercard commercial free on Spike TV as a lead in for the UFC 103 main card on pay-per-view, according to a source at the UFC.

It remains to be seen how well either event will do with two major PPV events on the same night.

Will the UFC, which has been flourishing on PPV in these tough economic times, take a hit going head-to-head with a major boxing card?

Is Mayweather a legit pay-per-view draw? He had Oscar De La Hoya and Ricky Hatton to help pump up sales in his two biggest PPV fights.

Will boxing fans, who also follow MMA, bail on the UFC to see Mayweather back in action or will they be lured into watching Rich Franklin take on Vitor Belfort at UFC 103?

One thing is for sure, it’s going to be an interesting night of fights.

[paloalto00]

I think it's a bad plan, if I'm getting the undercard for free, then why would I just pay for 1 fight? Unless it's only like $15... which would probably be for only 1 round.

[McAllister]

I think it's a bad plan, if I'm getting the undercard for free, then why would I just pay for 1 fight? Unless it's only like $15... which would probably be for only 1 round.
In UFC There are 5 Main card bouts and up to 7 preliminary bouts

[Hatesrats]

In all honesty the fans who will be watching JMM/PBF for the most part could care less about UFC.
(Different market, IMO)

If it was during a Pavlik fight, then we have a problem.

[Danny_Rand]

If it was during a Pavlik fight, then we have a problem.


:rofl

[painforall]

They can put the whole shitty UFC card for free and I will still buy the Boxing card, some people like MMA some people like Boxing let it go already.

[slip&counter]

this should be no contest, no boxing fans are gonna watch some BS! while two masters are in the ring at the same time, that shit is for knuckleheads who bash beer cans on their heads, infact its an insult to even mention mayweather and marquez in the same sentence as some barbaric brutes rolling around in a cage.

who the fuck gets aroused by this sadomaschistic gay porn? i sure hope its not fellow "fans" of the sweet science, if any fellow ESBers can stomach that garbage then "God bless ya" and come to your sense

[paloalto00]

In UFC There are 5 Main card bouts and up to 7 preliminary bouts

I see, still UFC ends too quick for me to buy, and I don't like watching 5 minutes of men hugging.

[McAllister]

They can put the whole shitty UFC card for free and I will still buy the Boxing card, some people like MMA some people like Boxing let it go already.
Im Buying both. I enjoy Combat sports. For some people like me but are cheap, they will watch the free ufc instead of 50$ of Boxing.

[McAllister]

this should be no contest, no boxing fans are gonna watch some BS! while two masters are in the ring at the same time, that shit is for knuckleheads who bash beer cans on their heads, infact its an insult to even mention mayweather and marquez in the same sentence as some barbaric brutes rolling around in a cage.

who the fuck gets aroused by this sadomaschistic gay porn? i sure hope its not fellow "fans" of the sweet science, if any fellow ESBers can stomach that garbage then "God bless ya" and can come to your sense
I dont think that is a fair Classification of MMA. Especially because since UfC started in 1993 there has not been one death due to something that occured in a match. While Numerous deaths per year result from boxing.

[JoeAverage]

UFC 103 undercard to be telvised on Spike TV
August 20th, 2009, 5:29 pm · Post a Comment · posted by CARLOS ARIAS

The “UFC 103: Franklin vs. Belfort” pay-per-view card is going toe-to-toe with the Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Juan Manuel Marquez HBO pay-per-view event on Sept. 19.

The UFC is known for its creative marketing and counter-programming tactics and it looks like the MMA giant has come up with a good plan to beef up awareness for UFC 103.

The UFC will air a two-hour telecast of the UFC 103 undercard commercial free on Spike TV as a lead in for the UFC 103 main card on pay-per-view, according to a source at the UFC.

It remains to be seen how well either event will do with two major PPV events on the same night.

Will the UFC, which has been flourishing on PPV in these tough economic times, take a hit going head-to-head with a major boxing card?

Is Mayweather a legit pay-per-view draw? He had Oscar De La Hoya and Ricky Hatton to help pump up sales in his two biggest PPV fights.

Will boxing fans, who also follow MMA, bail on the UFC to see Mayweather back in action or will they be lured into watching Rich Franklin take on Vitor Belfort at UFC 103?

One thing is for sure, it’s going to be an interesting night of fights.

The fight between Mayweather and Marquezx will say little about Mayweather. Marquez is Maxican and will draw a lot of latinos to the fight. The majority of any ppv number will be due to marquez.

[McAllister]

The fight between Mayweather and Marquezx will say little about Mayweather. Marquez is Maxican and will draw a lot of latinos to the fight. The majority of any ppv number will be due to marquez.
Thats an excellent point. Many infer thats half the reason Mayweather took the fight.

[Bodysnatcher]

In all honesty the fans who will be watching JMM/PBF for the most part could care less about UFC.
(Different market, IMO)
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Agreed.

[sues2nd]

This is why MMA is getting more pub then boxing. Its not the revenue stream...its not the profit...its not the ticket sales...its not the star power...its not even the PPV buys (boxing is still king in these areas). Its just run better. Its the fact that they have the best, fight the best. Everytime there is an MMA PPV, its lined with fights that people "want to see". Where as everytime I fight is signed in boxing, us as fans can normally name 3 or 4 fighters we would rather see fighter X go against. And its sickening.

Think about it...if boxing had 1 HUGE card a month...how huge could it become again? How much publicity could it get?

Mayweather - Pac
Cotto - Mosely
Pavlik - Williams
Hopkins Adamek
Kessler - Froch
Dawson - Pascal

How many PPV buys would that get? Boxing needs to wake the fuck up...and take notes from a sport thats over 100 years younger (at least).

[McAllister]

This is why MMA is getting more pub then boxing. Its not the revenue stream...its not the profit...its not the ticket sales...its not the star power...its not even the PPV buys (boxing is still king in these areas). Its just run better. Its the fact that they have the best, fight the best. Everytime there is an MMA PPV, its lined with fights that people "want to see". Where as everytime I fight is signed in boxing, us as fans can normally name 3 or 4 fighters we would rather see fighter X go against. And its sickening.

Think about it...if boxing had 1 HUGE card a month...how huge could it become again? How much publicity could it get?

Mayweather - Pac
Cotto - Mosely
Pavlik - Williams
Hopkins Adamek
Kessler - Froch
Dawson - Pascal

How many PPV buys would that get? Boxing needs to wake the fuck up...and take notes from a sport thats over 100 years younger (at least).
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Well Said

[Babality]

This is why MMA is getting more pub then boxing. Its not the revenue stream...its not the profit...its not the ticket sales...its not the star power...its not even the PPV buys (boxing is still king in these areas). Its just run better. Its the fact that they have the best, fight the best. Everytime there is an MMA PPV, its lined with fights that people "want to see". Where as everytime I fight is signed in boxing, us as fans can normally name 3 or 4 fighters we would rather see fighter X go against. And its sickening.

Think about it...if boxing had 1 HUGE card a month...how huge could it become again? How much publicity could it get?

Mayweather - Pac
Cotto - Mosely
Pavlik - Williams
Hopkins Adamek
Kessler - Froch
Dawson - Pascal

How many PPV buys would that get? Boxing needs to wake the fuck up...and take notes from a sport thats over 100 years younger (at least).

That would be heaven.

[RSBonos]

This is why MMA is getting more pub then boxing. Its not the revenue stream...its not the profit...its not the ticket sales...its not the star power...its not even the PPV buys (boxing is still king in these areas). Its just run better. Its the fact that they have the best, fight the best. Everytime there is an MMA PPV, its lined with fights that people "want to see". Where as everytime I fight is signed in boxing, us as fans can normally name 3 or 4 fighters we would rather see fighter X go against. And its sickening.

Think about it...if boxing had 1 HUGE card a month...how huge could it become again? How much publicity could it get?

Mayweather - Pac
Cotto - Mosely
Pavlik - Williams
Hopkins Adamek
Kessler - Froch
Dawson - Pascal

How many PPV buys would that get? Boxing needs to wake the fuck up...and take notes from a sport thats over 100 years younger (at least).

Lets not exaggerate, the UFC never puts on cards of that magnitude and most of those fights would be on regular HBO instead of PPV which is better for the sport.

UFC undercards are better then boxing PPVs undercards in general, but the gap is really not that big, its just that the UFC markets their cards much better. The Mayweather-Marquez has a better undercard then the average UFC PPV.

[McAllister]

Lets not exaggerate, the UFC never puts on cards of that magnitude and most of those fights would be on regular HBO instead of PPV which is better for the sport.

UFC undercards are better then boxing PPVs undercards in general, but the gap is really not that big, its just that the UFC markets their cards much better. The Mayweather-Marquez has a better undercard then the average UFC PPV.
UFC 100/92 were both close to that magnitude. Ufc 100 everyf ight was a main event.

[Danny_Rand]

How do you know a undercard from a mainevent? They all got the same record 9-5 or some shit like that.

[STILLFADED]

They can put the whole shitty UFC card for free and I will still buy the Boxing card, some people like MMA some people like Boxing let it go already.


Amen. That said, why can't a guy watch both?

[McAllister]

How do you know a undercard from a mainevent? They all got the same record 9-5 or some shit like that.
As opposed to having a 45-0 record because your afraid to ight top comp.Ufc put on a shitty main event and it still has two top 5 middleweights fighting. One is a former champion. thats big stuff in UFC being there is only 1 cham for each division. and only 5 divisions.

[sues2nd]

Lets not exaggerate, the UFC never puts on cards of that magnitude and most of those fights would be on regular HBO instead of PPV which is better for the sport.

UFC undercards are better then boxing PPVs undercards in general, but the gap is really not that big, its just that the UFC markets their cards much better. The Mayweather-Marquez has a better undercard then the average UFC PPV.

What your missing is the point that I mentioned about star power. It may not be the magnitude when you just look at the names...but if you compare where the fighters in those PPVs are in their respective sports, then you will see that they actually DO. Boxing is still the bigger, more recognizable sport...and so are their fighters. This doesnt mean that they dont put together their p4p best against each other...because as a fan of both sports, Id hate to break it to you...but they do.

This is what is killing boxing...as I said, UFC is just run better.

[slip&counter]

McAllister are you dana white in disguise?

[VARG]

How do you know a undercard from a mainevent? They all got the same record 9-5 or some shit like that.

That's what happens when you throw fighters who beat other fighters in with "the best"...shitty records.

Boxing's success has much to do with build-ups and proper upbringing.

As much as we hate to wait for these fights to happen, it would kill the magnitude of most of those fights if they were to occur frequently.

But I do think contenders and prospects need to square off more frequently in these tourney like styles.

[RSBonos]

UFC 100/92 were both close to that magnitude. Ufc 100 everyf ight was a main event.

Both those shows had 3 main event caliber fights, the above boxing card has six.

UFC 100 was their all time marquee event and UFC 92 was their annual big end of the year show. Credit to them for putting on huge cards, its also a lot easier when one promoter controls all those fighters, pays them peanuts (both those shows did over 1 million PPV buys) and acts as its own sanctioning body.

[McAllister]

McAllister are you dana white in disguise?
Lol nah man, I love boxing. Im just stating some facts. I wasnt trying to take anything away from boxing at all.

[VARG]

As opposed to having a 45-0 record because your afraid to ight top comp.Ufc put on a shitty main event and it still has two top 5 middleweights fighting. One is a former champion. thats big stuff in UFC being there is only 1 cham for each division. and only 5 divisions.

That's utter bullshit though. One guy is considered the best because he beat another guy easily and shit, whilst that guy was only hot because he beat a tomato smashing KO wrecking machine.

UFC is fuckin' bullshit man. There's no way to establish who's the best fighter when fights end in these lucky ass one-punch KO's.

Wrestling exhibitions would prove it...but if they did that as opposed to brawl then the sport would suck serious dick.

[McAllister]

That's utter bullshit though. One guy is considered the best because he beat another guy easily and shit, whilst that guy was only hot because he beat a tomato smashing KO wrecking machine.

UFC is fuckin' bullshit man. There's no way to establish who's the best fighter when fights end in these lucky ass one-punch KO's.

Wrestling exhibitions would prove it...but if they did that as opposed to brawl then the sport would suck serious dick.
Thats why UFC is swallowing boxing. It doesnt matter who holds the flashy belt and sells most PPVs. They put on great fucking fights once sometimes even twice a month!

[sues2nd]

That's utter bullshit though. One guy is considered the best because he beat another guy easily and shit, whilst that guy was only hot because he beat a tomato smashing KO wrecking machine.

UFC is fuckin' bullshit man. There's no way to establish who's the best fighter when fights end in these lucky ass one-punch KO's.

Wrestling exhibitions would prove it...but if they did that as opposed to brawl then the sport would suck serious dick.

I dont think anyone on this site is going to make the argument that MMA is somehow a better sport than boxing (go to sherdog for that argument LOL)...but what I and many others will argue is that its run better from the top.

Think about it. They just announced that Lesner will fight Carwin. Wanna bet that there are at least 2 more big fights pitting top fighters against each other on that card?

I absolutely love boxing. I like MMA. But I absolutely love the way MMA is marketted and put together. I dont even like how boxing is.

[Danny_Rand]

Thats why UFC is swallowing boxing. It doesnt matter who holds the flashy belt and sells most PPVs. They put on great fucking fights once sometimes even twice a month!

Rolling around on the ground for 5 minutes is a great fight? Hell I'd rather watch the Klits jab a fighter to death, then watch Brock Lesnar sit on a guy for a half hour and punch his head in.

ROy JOnes, Hopkins, Mayweather didnt fight cans to get their records. In the UFC its like journeymen going at it every night.

[McAllister]

I dont think anyone on this site is going to make the argument that MMA is somehow a better sport than boxing (go to sherdog for that argument LOL)...but what I and many others will argue is that its run better from the top.

Think about it. They just announced that Lesner will fight Carwin. Wanna bet that there are at least 2 more big fights pitting top fighters against each other on that card?

I absolutely love boxing. I like MMA. But I absolutely love the way MMA is marketted and put together. I dont even like how boxing is.
Tito Ortiz Former LHW champ and future HOFer is fighting Former HW champ and current HOFer Mark coleman as the co main event

[RSBonos]

What your missing is the point that I mentioned about star power. It may not be the magnitude when you just look at the names...but if you compare where the fighters in those PPVs are in their respective sports, then you will see that they actually DO. Boxing is still the bigger, more recognizable sport...and so are their fighters. This doesnt mean that they dont put together their p4p best against each other...because as a fan of both sports, Id hate to break it to you...but they do.

This is what is killing boxing...as I said, UFC is just run better.

Its certainly marketed better. Can you imagine how Dana White and Joe Rogan would promote the Mayweather-Marquez undercard?

"This is a STACKED undercard, you have the two best f-ing featherweights in the WORLD (!!!) rematching each other after a WAR earlier this year. Chris John is one of the best P4P fighters in the world!!! UNDEFEATED!!! Rocky Juarez, an American OLYMPIAN, has his LAST chance EVA at the big stage...ITS DO OR DIE. Katsidis is the new Arturo Gatti, he is the most exciting fighter in the world!!! Escobedo is another OLYMPIAN...thats right TWO Olympians on the same stacked undercard...will Escobedo become the new big superstar or will new human highlight reel KO him?...this will be FOTY!!!! Zab SUUUUUPPPPPPEEEEEEERRRRR Judah, always controversial, looks to bounce and get a future title shot against a tough rugged veteran.....THIS IS THE GREATEST UNDERCARD OF ALL TIME!!! and we haven't even mentioned the main event yet!"

- Dana White

ETC ETC, just add a lot more swear words and screaming from Joe Rogan

Off course the media eats all this stuff up and types up verbatim what Dana White says without questioning anything and the fans on the forums go ape s*it, proclaiming this to be the card of the year and convincing every casual fan that this is a must watch event (MMA fans are gullible and extremely enthusiastic).

Now lets see how the boxing world reacts:

"Well its an ok card because they needed to boost up Floyd's PPV numbers, therefore Floyd and the card is a joke"

Media reaction to boxing card:

"Boxing has realized that it must beef up their shows, but this not a special undercard and its too little too late, boxing is dead"

[McAllister]

Rolling around on the ground for 5 minutes is a great fight? Hell I'd rather watch the Klits jab a fighter to death, then watch Brock Lesnar sit on a guy for a half hour and punch his head in.

ROy JOnes, Hopkins, Mayweather didnt fight cans to get their records. In the UFC its like journeymen going at it every night.
Clearly you havennt followed much MMA. Im not geting on you for that but id like to point out ome things in your argument. MMA and Boxing are two diffrent sports. Brock Lesnar doesnt just "lay on" his opponent for 5 minutes. He seeks opening while his opponent is looking for the right time to snap one of his limbs. Its a chess game. Most people enjoy boxing more than that but not every UFC fight is one guy laying on top of another.

Sure, MMA has its boring fights. But it also has its nailbiting thrillers. If you like stand up wars check out these fights, Chuck Liddell vs Wanderlei Silva UFC 79, Forrest Griffin vs Stephan Bonnar 1, Chuck Liddell vs Tito Ortiz (both) Quinton "Rampage" Jackson vs Keith Jardine.

[RSBonos]

Thats why UFC is swallowing boxing. It doesnt matter who holds the flashy belt and sells most PPVs. They put on great fucking fights once sometimes even twice a month!

Somehow those monthly HBO and Showtime events don't count? Not to mention that they are free too and HBO has stepped up their matchmaking.

Typical boxing is dying wha wha wha, I wonder if in ten-twenty years if we will hear the same rehtoric.

[Danny_Rand]

Its certainly marketed better. Can you imagine how Dana White and Joe Rogan would promote the Mayweather-Marquez undercard?

"This is a STACKED undercard, you have the two best f-ing featherweights in the WORLD (!!!) rematching each other after a WAR earlier this year. Chris John is one of the best P4P fighters in the world!!! UNDEFEATED!!! Rocky Juarez, an American OLYMPIAN, has his LAST chance EVA at the big stage...ITS DO OR DIE. Katsidis is the new Arturo Gatti, he is the most exciting fighter in the world!!! Escobedo is another OLYMPIAN...thats right TWO Olympians on the same stacked undercard...will Escobedo become the new big superstar or will new human highlight real KO him?...this will be FOTY!!!! Zab SUUUUUPPPPPPEEEEEEERRRRR Judah, always controversial, looks to bounce and get a future title shot against a tough rugged veteran.....THIS IS THE GREATEST UNDERCARD OF ALL TIME!!! and we haven't even mentioned the main event yet!"

- Dana White

ETC ETC, just add a lot more swear words and screaming from Joe Rogan

Off course the media eats all this stuff up and types up verbatim what Dana White says without questioning anything and the fans on the forums go ape s*it, proclaiming this to be the card of the year and convincing every casual fan that this is a must watch event (MMA fans are gullible and extremely enthusiastic).

Now lets see how the boxing world reacts:

"Well its an ok card because they needed to boost up Floyd's PPV numbers, therefore Floyd and the card is a joke"

Media reaction to boxing card:

"Boxing has realized that it must beef up their shows, but this not a special undercard and its too little too late, boxing is dead"


:rofl It just shows the intelligence between the 2 fan bases. As Mayweather said, guys who pound beers watch UFC.

[PH|LLA]

the truth is that Fedor vs Lesnar would not even outsell Pac vs Cotto, forget about Pac vs PBF.

[McAllister]

Somehow those monthly HBO and Showtime events don't count? Not too mention that they are free too and HBO has stepped up their matchmaking.

Typical boxing is dying wha wha wha, I wonder if in ten-twenty years if we will hear the same rehtoric.
Would you like to compare the numbers between the SHOtime and HBO specials to the UFC PPV's. I think strikeforces event on SHOtime crushed the number of views Bradley vs Campbell got. And thats a less main streem MMA org.

[McAllister]

:rofl It just shows the intelligence between the 2 fan bases. As Mayweather said, guys who pound beers watch UFC.
So your going to take somehing that Floyd Mayweather says as your base for what is right and what is wrong? So do you beleive MMA was created because White people cant box?

[Danny_Rand]

So your going to take somehing that Floyd Mayweather says as your base for what is right and what is wrong? So do you beleive MMA was created because White people cant box?

He didnt say white people cant box. He said that there is no dominate white American champions.

And its not hard to see what demographic UFC is targetting. 18-24 white males who like generic rock and tattoos.

[sues2nd]

This is turning into a what is better MMA or boxing pissing contest. Which it seems only the ones bashing the UFC are engaging in. WHY? Noone is talking about that but you guys.

The point is, they put on 100x better PPVs and if boxing took notice, it would be GIGANTIC. What is so hard about that to grasp?

(and RSBonos, last time I looked at my DirectTv bill, Showtime and HBO were far from free...just sayin')

[McAllister]

He didnt say white people cant box. He said that there is no dominate white American champions.

And its not hard to see what demographic UFC is targetting. 18-24 white males who like generic rock and tattoos.
Let me find the interview for you ill post it here in a second. So UFC was created so americans could be champions? thats funny because Out of the 5 UFC champions only one is American born.

[Danny_Rand]

This is turning into a what is better MMA or boxing pissing contest. Which it seems only the ones bashing the UFC are engaging in. WHY? Noone is talking about that but you guys.

The point is, they put on 100x better PPVs and if boxing took notice, it would be GIGANTIC. What is so hard about that to grasp?

(and RSBonos, last time I looked at my DirectTv bill, Showtime and HBO were far from free...just sayin')

Boxing has to pay their fighters. What did Lesnar earn in his last fight? A couple hundred thousand? Its easy to put on better cards when you dont have to spread the wealth as much. Floyd had to finance this card out of his own purse.

[sues2nd]

Boxing has to pay their fighters. What did Lesnar earn in his last fight? A couple hundred thousand? Its easy to put on better cards when you dont have to spread the wealth as much. Floyd had to finance this card out of his own purse.

That is not the argument.

I love boxing...a hell of alot more than MMA. How much they make doesnt make a difference.

This wasnt an MMA > Boxing post...because noone in the post thinks that way. It was a post about one sport being run better than the other.

[RSBonos]

Would you like to compare the numbers between the SHOtime and HBO specials to the UFC PPV's. I think strikeforces event on SHOtime crushed the number of views Bradley vs Campbell got. And thats a less main streem MMA org.

Four HBO championship boxing shows this year got nearly 2 million viewers, one UFC PPV show got 1.5 million + viewers. Were you happy to pay $45 for Jardine-Rampage or Franklin vs Silva/Henderson? How do those match ups compare to non-PPV Margarito-Shane, Cotto-Clottey, Diaz-Marquez?

Outside of the Carano-Cyborg MMA Showtime card, their ratings have been ok but nothing spectacular.

I'm not debating the popularity of MMA here, but boxing gets destroyed in the media while MMA gets a free ride.

[McAllister]

Boxing has to pay their fighters. What did Lesnar earn in his last fight? A couple hundred thousand? Its easy to put on better cards when you dont have to spread the wealth as much. Floyd had to finance this card out of his own purse.
Andre Arlovski Made a gaurenteed 2 million vs Fedor Back in January. Brock Lesnar made over 500,000 in his fourth fight in UFC. How many boxers make that in their 4th fight?

Can we stop arguing like this everyone i am just stating facts not starting any arguments.

[Danny_Rand]

Let me find the interview for you ill post it here in a second. So UFC was created so americans could be champions? thats funny because Out of the 5 UFC champions only one is American born.

There have been 59 American title holders. THe next closest is Brazil with 9. And as of now there are 2 American born champions. BJ Penn and Brock Lesnar.

I never said it was created so Americans could win championships. I said it is marketed towards white Americans, and because of white Americans visibility in the sport, in contrast to boxing, thats where its popularity and target audience lays. Thus the rock music, tattoos and atmosphere.

[Danny_Rand]

Andre Arlovski Made a gaurenteed 2 million vs Fedor Back in January. Brock Lesnar made over 500,000 in his fourth fight in UFC. How many boxers make that in their 4th fight?

He's the heavyweight champion of the world. :lol: YOu know what the Klitschkos get per fight?

As I said, MMA fighters get paid shit. Boxers get paid top dollar, plus the fact that boxing fans arent going to pay 50 bucks to see two journeymen go at it on the ground for 3 rounds.

[sues2nd]

Four HBO championship boxing shows this year got nearly 2 million viewers, one UFC PPV show got 1.5 million + viewers. Were you happy to pay $45 for Jardine-Rampage or Franklin vs Silva/Henderson? How do those match ups compare to non-PPV Margarito-Shane, Cotto-Clottey, Diaz-Marquez?

Outside of the Carano-Cyborg MMA Showtime card, their ratings have been ok but nothing spectacular.

I'm not debating the popularity of MMA here, but boxing gets destroyed in the media while MMA gets a free ride.

WE AGREE WITH YOU!!!!

Go back and read my first post (the one that you argued with my joke of a PPV...which was weird)...you will see that we agree. My point, as well as the point of this post, was to point out that regardless of the FACT that MMA is not as popular (in ticket sales, revenue, PPV buys, profit, star power, etc.), it is gaining steam because it is run better than boxing is right now.

Why do people make arguments when there is no argument even being made???

[McAllister]

There have been 59 American title holders. THe next closest is Brazil with 9. And as of now there are 2 American born champions. BJ Penn and Brock Lesnar.

I never said it was created so Americans could win championships. I said it is marketed towards white Americans, and because of white Americans visibility in the sport, in contrast to boxing, thats where its popularity and target audience lays. Thus the rock music, tattoos and atmosphere.
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And you corrected me i forgot BJ penn was born in Hawaii my bad

[Danny_Rand]

WE AGREE WITH YOU!!!!

Go back and read my first post (the one that you argued with my joke of a PPV...which was weird)...you will see that we agree. My point, as well as the point of this post, was to point out that regardless of the FACT that MMA is not as popular (in ticket sales, revenue, PPV buys, profit, star power, etc.), it is gaining steam because it is run better than boxing is right now.

Why do people make arguments when there is no argument even being made???


There are a couple things I'd take from UFC. The condensed weight classes. Get rid of the multiple belt organizations. And have one governing body. Thats it. I would never want boxing to promote itself the same way MMA does.

[Robot16]

Im Buying both. I enjoy Combat sports. For some people like me but are cheap, they will watch the free ufc instead of 50$ of Boxing.

same in a fan of all combat sports and am a fan of both, first boxing though

im watching boh, just avoid spoilers

[sues2nd]

There are a couple things I'd take from UFC. The condensed weight classes. Get rid of the multiple belt organizations. And have one governing body. Thats it. I would never want boxing to promote itself the same way MMA does.

You wouldnt want boxing to have partnerships with ESPN and SI? You wouldnt want boxing to put on one mega PPV a month? You wouldnt want boxing to ditch the multiple titles and have one champ per weight class?

:huh

These are the things myself and Mccallister are stating...nothing more.

[Danny_Rand]

You wouldnt want boxing to have partnerships with ESPN and SI? You wouldnt want boxing to put on one mega PPV a month? You wouldnt want boxing to ditch the multiple titles and have one champ per weight class?

Besides the co-promotion deals, I believe I stated everything you just said. :huh

I dont need cutscenes during my boxing though. I dont need generic rock music. I dont need a dude who is 9-5 with tats all over his body and a mohawk being Mayweathers opponent on a saturday night, even free on spike tv.

[PH|LLA]

the top 5 p4p MMA fighters are non-american

[RSBonos]

UFC also does a great job of never co-promoting and pretending that world class fighters don't exists outside of their shows.

Back on topic. If FTA is still down I will pay for the Mayweather card (something I would not have done back in July when they had a nothing undercard) and download the UFC PPV.

[McAllister]

You wouldnt want boxing to have partnerships with ESPN and SI? You wouldnt want boxing to put on one mega PPV a month? You wouldnt want boxing to ditch the multiple titles and have one champ per weight class?

:huh

These are the things myself and Mccallister are stating...nothing more.
Thank you. I never said MMA>Boxing. I do enjoy MMA more now than I do boxing but im not telling you guys you shoudl aswell

[sues2nd]

Besides the co-promotion deals, I believe I stated everything you just said. :huh

I dont need cutscenes during my boxing though. I dont need generic rock music. I dont need a dude who is 9-5 with tats all over his body and a mohawk being Mayweathers opponent on a saturday night, even free on spike tv.


Listen, I dont want any of the crap that comes with an MMA event...I do want the promotional deals they have. The big PPVs (the other thing you didnt mention). The one organization. The fact that the best fight the best. etc...

Remember, I said that the sport is run better (Im sorry, but it is), not that it is better or even produced better.

[Lance_Uppercut]

:rofl It just shows the intelligence between the 2 fan bases. As Mayweather said, guys who pound beers watch UFC.

Same for boxing you ignorant cunt. :patsch

And if you don't watch MMA..you really have no right to comment on something you aren't aware of, just like dumbfucks who comment on fights they haven't seen.

[Lance_Uppercut]

There are a couple things I'd take from UFC. The condensed weight classes. Get rid of the multiple belt organizations. And have one governing body. Thats it. I would never want boxing to promote itself the same way MMA does.

:lol: Yeah...MMA has only ONE Champ. Fuckin tard...:rofl

[Danny_Rand]

Same for boxing you ignorant cunt. :patsch

And if you don't watch MMA..you really have no right to comment on something you aren't aware of, just like dumbfucks who comment on fights they haven't seen.

Look what the moose dragged in. :rofl


I've seen alot of UFC. I know enough about it to know what its about.

I bet you are like those tools that walk around bars with affliction shirts on thinking they are hard ready to rear naked choke the first fool that disrespects em right?

Big fan of generic rock music and tats too I suspect? Closet homosexual?

[sues2nd]

Wow...this thread went to shit pretty quickly...

[Lance_Uppercut]

Look what the moose dragged in. :rofl


I've seen alot of UFC. I know enough about it to know what its about.

I bet you are like those tools that walk around bars with affliction shirts on thinking they are hard ready to rear naked choke the first fool that disrespects em right?

Big fan of generic rock music and tats too I suspect? Closet homosexual?


:lol: Man...do you make up a reality for EVERYONE you hate? Affliction shits? Please.... :patsch

Your posts show you really don't know much about it. Don't take that personal, it's just what your posts on this subject show.

As for generic rock....sorry child. I stay away from MTV, radio, and that commercial bullshit. Go rock to some 50 cent fag...

[Lance_Uppercut]

Remember, I said that the sport is run better (Im sorry, but it is), not that it is better or even produced better.

Exactly! I'll always love boxing more. IT;s what I grew up with. But with the loss of premium fights on free TV and the over usage of PPV's..politics and outrageous ourse demands muggin fans, it's not difficult to see boxing shoot itself in the foot while UFC prospers.

[Danny_Rand]

:lol: Man...do you make up a reality for EVERYONE you hate? Affliction shits? Please.... :patsch

No, im pretty sure im right on the money about the closet fag thing. The way you follow eze around this forum, its clear you want his nuts. I dont swing that way btw pahtna.

Your posts show you really don't know much about it. Don't take that personal, it's just what your posts on this subject show.
As I said, I've watched alot of UFC. How did I guess that you were a fan though. :lol: Thats a good thing, given your woeful knowledge of boxing, its best you stick to UFC. No wonder you were a margarito fan.:rofl

[doubleplaidinum]

d'oh

[McAllister]

Wow...this thread went to shit pretty quickly...
It was a good discussion while it lasted lol

[doubleplaidinum]

This is why MMA is getting more pub then boxing. Its not the revenue stream...its not the profit...its not the ticket sales...its not the star power...its not even the PPV buys (boxing is still king in these areas). Its just run better. Its the fact that they have the best, fight the best. Everytime there is an MMA PPV, its lined with fights that people "want to see". Where as everytime I fight is signed in boxing, us as fans can normally name 3 or 4 fighters we would rather see fighter X go against. And its sickening.

Think about it...if boxing had 1 HUGE card a month...how huge could it become again? How much publicity could it get?

Mayweather - Pac
Cotto - Mosely
Pavlik - Williams
Hopkins Adamek
Kessler - Froch
Dawson - Pascal

How many PPV buys would that get? Boxing needs to wake the fuck up...and take notes from a sport thats over 100 years younger (at least).

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Well Said

hahahaha... AGREED!

too bad with all these money grubbing asshole promoters it will never happen. i guess they don't realize that what they're doing is very bad for boxing in the long run... :verysad

[Lance_Uppercut]

No, im pretty sure im right on the money about the closet fag thing. The way you follow eze around this forum, its clear you want his nuts. I dont swing that way btw pahtna.

Follow Eze? Wow...you will literally say ANYTHING to try and make an insult won't you? Just more of you INVENTING your own reality. Grow up little boy.


As I said, I watch alot of UFC. How did I guess that you were a fan though. :lol: Thats a good thing, given your woeful knowledge of boxing, its best you stick to UFC. No wonder you were a margarito fan.:rofl

WHY would you watch UFC when you say it's just 2 guys rolling on the mat for 5 minutes? :lol: And you call me a closet homo?

I have NEVER said anything as remotely gay about Margarito as you do about Floyd. I give Margarito his props....you verbally suck Floyd every chanve you get o nthis board. that or you suck up to other Floyd fanboys.

Now answer this...WHY DO YOU WATCH something that you claim is just two guys rolling together on the mat for 5 minutes? Why? :deal

[Scar]

The fight between Mayweather and Marquezx will say little about Mayweather. Marquez is Maxican and will draw a lot of latinos to the fight. The majority of any ppv number will be due to marquez.

Very true, like Marquez' PPV buys fighting Chris John. How much was that?, $0 PPV buys. Yes I AM serious, look it up.

Both names are big enough and Marquez will sure as hell attract people but trying to say he will be the main draw is beyond idiotic. The highest PPV he made was $410k fighting none other than Pacquiao. How many PPVs has Marquez headlined?

[Danny_Rand]

Originally Posted by sues2nd

Think about it...if boxing had 1 HUGE card a month...how huge could it become again? How much publicity could it get?

Mayweather - Pac
Cotto - Mosely
Pavlik - Williams
Hopkins Adamek
Kessler - Froch
Dawson - Pascal

How many PPV buys would that get? Boxing needs to wake the fuck up...and take notes from a sport thats over 100 years younger (at least).


And how would you pay these guys? These arent 9-5 UFC journeymen. THese are guys with 40 fights under their belts. They arent gonna fight for nickels.

As I said, the only way to get these cards is to pay fighters what UFC guys get. Its not gonna happen.

As the one poster says, the promotion makes you think the UFC card is better then it is.

[Danny_Rand]

Follow Eze? Wow...you will literally say ANYTHING to try and make an insult won't you? Just more of you INVENTING your own reality. Grow up little boy.

So you say you dont follow eze around these forums like a love sick 15 year old girl? Thats news to everyone around here.

WHY would you watch UFC when you say it's just 2 guys rolling on the mat for 5 minutes? :lol: And you call me a closet homo?
Its like watching the occasional bum fight on youtube. Slow day around the house, click on spike and watch 2 journeymen beat the crap out of eachother. Its like how you sometimes order a cheeseburger from mcdonalds, instead of going to red lobster.

I give Margarito his props....you verbally suck Floyd every chanve you get o nthis board. that or you suck up to other Floyd fanboys.
Name one thing fanboyish that I've said about Floyd. Lets not bring up what you used to say about Margarito. Atleast when I say Floyds great, its true. :rofl

[Scar]

Follow Eze? Wow...you will literally say ANYTHING to try and make an insult won't you? Just more of you INVENTING your own reality. Grow up little boy.



WHY would you watch UFC when you say it's just 2 guys rolling on the mat for 5 minutes? :lol: And you call me a closet homo?

I have NEVER said anything as remotely gay about Margarito as you do about Floyd. I give Margarito his props....you verbally suck Floyd every chanve you get o nthis board. that or you suck up to other Floyd fanboys.

Now answer this...WHY DO YOU WATCH something that you claim is just two guys rolling together on the mat for 5 minutes? Why? :deal

All you do these days is jump in threads related to Mayweather in any way to "set things straight" with the "Floydtoys". Your last attempt was to jump on the Margarito "most feared beast known to humanity" hype tricycle and that should have sent you and the likes of you the graveyard and kept you there.

Do you even discuss boxing at all or your obsession has taken over far too much that you don't care anymore?

You come here joking about "floydtoys" yet you have been showing more obsession than a million Leonard Ellerbe's since 2005 on ESB. I'm sure there must be a Mayweather Jr. forum or fansite out there, go there already.

And for the love of God, PLEASE don't infest ANY Pacquiao hype train. From Vivian Harris to Tony Concreto to Manny Pacquiao?, that's not just insulting to us Pacquiao fans and Pacquiao his self, it's insulting to the Philippines as a country.

[Lance_Uppercut]

All you do these days is jump in threads related to Mayweather in any way to "set things straight" with the "Floydtoys". Your last attempt was to jump on the Margarito "most feared beast known to humanity" hype tricycle and that should have sent you and the likes of you the graveyard and kept you there.

Do you even discuss boxing at all or your obsession has taken over far too much that you don't care anymore?

You come here joking about "floydtoys" yet you have been showing more obsession than a million Leonard Ellerbe's since 2005 on ESB. I'm sure there must be a Mayweather Jr. forum or fansite out there, go there already.

And for the love of God, PLEASE don't infest ANY Pacquiao hype train. From Vivian Harris to Tony Concreto to Manny Pacquiao?, that's not just insulting to us Pacquiao fans and Pacquiao his self, it's insulting to the Philippines as a country.

:patsch Thanks for the input mr. high and mighty. You've shown that for some reason, you prefer to invent your own meaning to my posts Scar. go ahead, make some lame ass reply about it, but it's true.

And who are you to talk? You almost ALWAYS bring up Margarito. Are you too stupid to realize that?:lol:

And you've now taken to making lies about me. What a piece of shit you are.

I've explained very clearly what I've said about Harris and anyone else, yet you choose, again, to make your own meaning to my posts and respond to it, Basically, you are posting and replying to yourself.:lol:

Ironic how you don't even address the topic..yet give me shit?

[sues2nd]

And how would you pay these guys? These arent 9-5 UFC journeymen. THese are guys with 40 fights under their belts. They arent gonna fight for nickels.

As I said, the only way to get these cards is to pay fighters what UFC guys get. Its not gonna happen.

As the one poster says, the promotion makes you think the UFC card is better then it is.

How many PPV buys does an average, run of the mill PPV get? Now how many would one that looked like that get? Would it sell out? Would there be sponsers lining up around the corner to be a part of it? Would certain fighters take discounts to be a part of it?

Its business 101.

I remember when the Patriots couldnt sell out a game. They couldnt get corporate sponsers. They couldnt buy a big named free agent. They wanted a new stadium and they almost got laughed out of MA. Well, Belechick comes along, drafts Brady and Seymour (among others) and turns the team around. Suddenly the seats start filling...sponsers start to line up...free agents start taking less money to play for them...and after the finally crack the Super Bowl win column, they get a new stadium. Now they are the model franchise in the league and it all started by gaining star power (boxing already has it), success (same), spending the money to make good things happen and doing things the right way. UFC, for all of their shortcomings, does their PPVs and most of their televised cards "the right way", boxing, as much as I love it, does not.

Get your head out of this "I HATE MMA" cloud and open your eyes.

(and BTW, that card was a retorical example of what a UFC like boxing card would look like...:patsch)

[JoeAverage]

UFC is promoted better than boxing imo. The marketing is there.

UFC does not have a lot of experts having oppinions (because the sport is so young) so they are able to control a large amount of the information in the media. Dana White can completely build a fighter in UFC and dis another (like Fedor) if he choses - and many would buy into it. In boxing there are many promoters and many organisations so it would be harder to hype any individual in the same single-minded manner.

UFC is a more complete fight-sport. Boxing deals with one aspect of fighting while UFC is closer to how we all fought as kids with some wrestling, some judo-moves etc. In this sense MMA is a really attractive product.

____________

On the side of boxing is that it has the history. It has legends and ancient stories. This attracts a lot of attention and interest.

Boxing has word-of-mouth over UFC because often people get into boxing because ones friends, family etc. are into it. UFC does not have that (yet) to the same extent.

Boxing is an amateur sport and therefore many more people have actually tried the sport, then have tried MMA. This also increases interest in boxing.

*************************************

All in all, it is easy to see why MMA has become popular. The product is potentially great. The main problem for MMA is the dependence of one organisation and one person. UFC can control everything that happens and can shape the sport to their benefit and to their script. Boxing promoters and media (HBO etc) would sometimes like to do this, but it is much harder to do in boxing. In UFC an entire manuscript of a beats B and then C beat D , then B should meet and so on could be scripted. For once they control the preparation of each fighter, the match making and so on. It is not 100% fool proof as we saw with Kimbo's loss, but it is much easier than it is in boxing. This may be used to create exciting stories and developments.... however manufactured and fake they may be. Boxing should (but may never do this because the sport is disintegrated and has not central body) attack the UFC publically in terms of marketing and point to the flaws and the fakeness of UFC. This may never happen and I believe that even if it happened MMA would keep going as I thing the main product is attractive to certain groups.

[Scar]

:patsch Thanks for the input mr. high and mighty. You've shown that for some reason, you prefer to invent your own meaning to my posts Scar. go ahead, make some lame ass reply about it, but it's true.

And who are you to talk? You almost ALWAYS bring up Margarito. Are you too stupid to realize that?:lol:

And you've now taken to making lies about me. What a piece of shit you are.

I've explained very clearly what I've said about Harris and anyone else, yet you choose, again, to make your own meaning to my posts and respond to it, Basically, you are posting and replying to yourself.:lol:

Ironic how you don't even address the topic..yet give me shit?

Back to personal attacks, I won't go that low with you, really. You can call me an asshole or a Margarito hater all you want. Yeah, I admit I bring up Margarito, I do have the right to do so don't you think?

Isn't what I told you and the likes of you regarding Margarito and limitations which all of you laughed your asses off at turn out to be true?, Mosley basically did everything I said if a fighter does would fuck up Margarito. Only reason I had doubts in Mosley pulling it off, though I picked him to win, is his age and if he will keep it up for full 12 rounds as he showed dangerous signs of fading against Cotto and Mayorga. If anything, be man enough to admit you were an idiot buying into the most feared nonsense and Mayweather running scared from someone who's biggest win was Manuel fuckin' Gomez back then.

Look, if you try to bring up the number of times I bring up Margarito with your obsession to Mayweather it doesn't even come close. You are literally spotted in ANY semi-negative Mayweather thread or a positive one turning negative. It's not hard to click a thread regarding Mayweather only to see you there. Would you say I'm found in EVERY Margarito-related thread?, HELL NO.

I'm not shitting on you for your mistakes, I'm not low to do that. I'm reminding you of stupid comments you made in the past and continue to do so. The blind bandwagon jumping is more obvious than ever and I'm not shitting on you for that either, hey that's what makes the forum entertaining and a great time killer.

[Scar]

UFC is promoted better than boxing imo. The marketing is there.

UFC does not have a lot of experts having oppinions (because the sport is so young) so they are able to control a large amount of the information in the media. Dana White can completely build a fighter in UFC and dis another (like Fedor) if he choses - and many would buy into it. In boxing there are many promoters and many organisations so it would be harder to hype any individual in the same single-minded manner.

UFC is a more complete fight-sport. Boxing deals with one aspect of fighting while UFC is closer to how we all fought as kids with some wrestling, some judo-moves etc. In this sense MMA is a really attractive product.

____________

On the side of boxing is that it has the history. It has legends and ancient stories. This attracts a lot of attention and interest.

Boxing has word-of-mouth over UFC because often people get into boxing because ones friends, family etc. are into it. UFC does not have that (yet) to the same extent.

Boxing is an amateur sport and therefore many more people have actually tried the sport, then have tried MMA. This also increases interest in boxing.

*************************************

All in all, it is easy to see why MMA has become popular. The product is potentially great. The main problem for MMA is the dependence of one organisation and one person. UFC can control everything that happens and can shape the sport to their benefit and to their script. Boxing promoters and media (HBO etc) would sometimes like to do this, but it is much harder to do in boxing. In UFC an entire manuscript of a beats B and then C beat D , then B should meet and so on could be scripted. For once they control the preparation of each fighter, the match making and so on. It is not 100% fool proof as we saw with Kimbo's loss, but it is much easier than it is in boxing. This may be used to create exciting stories and developments.... however manufactured and fake they may be. Boxing should (but may never do this because the sport is disintegrated and has not central body) attack the UFC publically in terms of marketing and point to the flaws and the fakeness of UFC. This may never happen and I believe that even if it happened MMA would keep going as I thing the main product is attractive to certain groups.

In the US UFC has more fans, it's basically packed with former WWE fans now that they get a "real" type of WWE action. To be honest, I noticed that the majority of kids talk a lot about UFC, it's like the old days when Stone Cold was the hottest discussion in school gatherings but now it's UFC "superstars". It will eventually die off as time goes but right now the demand is more for UFC in the US than boxing. World-wide boxing definitely wins but in the US it's UFC for now.

[kirk]

I hate to say it but UFC is going to do plenty more numbers then May-JMM...

Now Cotto vs Pac on the other hand... that has a chance to do decent numbers if marketed right.

[kirk]

In the US UFC has more fans, it's basically packed with former WWE fans now that they get a "real" type of WWE action. To be honest, I noticed that the majority of kids talk a lot about UFC, it's like the old days when Stone Cold was the hottest discussion in school gatherings but now it's UFC "superstars". It will eventually die off as time goes but right now the demand is more for UFC in the US than boxing. World-wide boxing definitely wins but in the US it's UFC for now.

At my job at Hastings - everyone talked about UFC, not boxing
At my winco job i worked with mainly older guys and some talked boxing, not too much UFC
At my boot camp - ALL ufc, maybe one or two guys out of 60 knew boxing
MCT - The cafaterias actually show UFC on their tv's, thats all anyone cares about
MOS school - there were a handful of people that i was pleasantly suprised that knew who oscar was, mayweather, pac and cotto... some mosley. most were UFC fans

In my city, boxing gyms are basically non existant while mma gyms are all over the place and flooded.


honestly... i dont know if its just my region, or if other people are out of touch with whats going on, but UFC in AMERICA is way ahead of boxing in terms of overall awareness, and also its much more mainstream now. At the bookstores in my city, MMA magazines outnumber boxing mags by about 4-1... my cousin who came from san diego knew all kinds of UFC fighters (due to the new UFC game) and didnt want to hear about boxing from me, but about ufc...

I hate UFC :-(:-(:-(:-( but boxing needs to up its game, and im happy the direction boxing has been going as i think it has (think of all the good matchups weve had from 130-147) and thank god for HBO and SHOWTIME or wed be in a world of hurt.... i hope boxing can get its act together before its swallowed even more.

[Rattler]

He's the heavyweight champion of the world. :lol: YOu know what the Klitschkos get per fight?

As I said, MMA fighters get paid shit. Boxers get paid top dollar, plus the fact that boxing fans arent going to pay 50 bucks to see two journeymen go at it on the ground for 3 rounds.

No... they're gonna pay 50 bucks to see Tyson fight McBride. Or Tyson vs McNeely. You would never see that in the UFC.

[Rattler]

You also don't see the lWinky Wright types being ignored by the top contenders for years simply because they're a high risk fight. Brock Lesnar came into the UFC with a lot of mainstream attention. Who does the UFC give him in his first fight? The former UFC Heavyweight Champion of the World. He had to put up or shut up... not spend five years chewing up and spitting out nobodies to build up a pretty but fairly empty record. That's what people like about the UFC. The fights they want are the fights they get.

[Scar]

At my job at Hastings - everyone talked about UFC, not boxing
At my winco job i worked with mainly older guys and some talked boxing, not too much UFC
At my boot camp - ALL ufc, maybe one or two guys out of 60 knew boxing
MCT - The cafaterias actually show UFC on their tv's, thats all anyone cares about
MOS school - there were a handful of people that i was pleasantly suprised that knew who oscar was, mayweather, pac and cotto... some mosley. most were UFC fans

In my city, boxing gyms are basically non existant while mma gyms are all over the place and flooded.


honestly... i dont know if its just my region, or if other people are out of touch with whats going on, but UFC in AMERICA is way ahead of boxing in terms of overall awareness, and also its much more mainstream now. At the bookstores in my city, MMA magazines outnumber boxing mags by about 4-1... my cousin who came from san diego knew all kinds of UFC fighters (due to the new UFC game) and didnt want to hear about boxing from me, but about ufc...

I hate UFC :-(:-(:-(:-( but boxing needs to up its game, and im happy the direction boxing has been going as i think it has (think of all the good matchups weve had from 130-147) and thank god for HBO and SHOWTIME or wed be in a world of hurt.... i hope boxing can get its act together before its swallowed even more.

It's disgusting, I know but that's how it is. I think UFC is just a new generation WWE which will fade away as time goes, it's kind of in it's "prime" right now with all the attention and no skill canvas hugfests or low blow KOs, children enjoy that. Boxing always reigns supreme, it's a legendary sport and it won't drop because of human chicken fighting. Boxing is a sport, UFC/MMA is a circus. These guys mention boxing, boxing doesn't bother to mention them. I have tons of respect for WWE FAR more than UFC garbage and the garbage men controlling it who feel they have to downgrade other sports to promote theirs. If anything, WWE has been promoting boxers/boxing than shitting on them. Didn't they recently let a superstar they have job against Mayweather?, Tyson KO HBK, Ali knocking out the ref..etc, WWE guys are cool, they have always been and never showed disrespect to other sports to promote themselves like the garbage men UFC has.

In the US UFC is doing better, that means nothing. World-wide, Boxing will always shit on garbage like that. It's enough that undercard boxers make more than main eventers in that human chicken fighting nonsense. You try to compare Boxing in England with UFC and people will laugh at you, a circus will never compare with boxing. That's a circus and it's on fire now but will eventually fade and you will see.

These garbage men steal from boxing, boxing doesn't steal from them nothing and doesn't need to. They copy boxing in every thing then come out and shit on boxing, bunch of garbage men as I said. It's human chicken fighting, that's all there is to know. The way I see it is if a sport isn't in the olympics it isn't a sport, end of story. Don't expect human chicken fighting to be introduced, Women boxing was introduced and human chicken fighting didn't and never will. Low blow KOs, headbutt KOs, elbow KOs, ball grabbing submissions. That's a Jackie Chan or Van Dam movie brought to life man, of course it will get attention for a while then piss off.

[codeman99998]

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[gigogreco]

It's disgusting, I know but that's how it is. I think UFC is just a new generation WWE which will fade away as time goes, it's kind of in it's "prime" right now with all the attention and no skill canvas hugfests or low blow KOs, children enjoy that. Boxing always reigns supreme, it's a legendary sport and it won't drop because of human chicken fighting. Boxing is a sport, UFC/MMA is a circus. These guys mention boxing, boxing doesn't bother to mention them. I have tons of respect for WWE FAR more than UFC garbage and the garbage men controlling it who feel they have to downgrade other sports to promote theirs. If anything, WWE has been promoting boxers/boxing than shitting on them. Didn't they recently let a superstar they have job against Mayweather?, Tyson KO HBK, Ali knocking out the ref..etc, WWE guys are cool, they have always been and never showed disrespect to other sports to promote themselves like the garbage men UFC has.

In the US UFC is doing better, that means nothing. World-wide, Boxing will always shit on garbage like that. It's enough that undercard boxers make more than main eventers in that human chicken fighting nonsense. You try to compare Boxing in England with UFC and people will laugh at you, a circus will never compare with boxing. That's a circus and it's on fire now but will eventually fade and you will see.

These garbage men steal from boxing, boxing doesn't steal from them nothing and doesn't need to. They copy boxing in every thing then come out and shit on boxing, bunch of garbage men as I said. It's human chicken fighting, that's all there is to know. The way I see it is if a sport isn't in the olympics it isn't a sport, end of story. Don't expect human chicken fighting to be introduced, Women boxing was introduced and human chicken fighting didn't and never will. Low blow KOs, headbutt KOs, elbow KOs, ball grabbing submissions. That's a Jackie Chan or Van Dam movie brought to life man, of course it will get attention for a while then piss off.

i think your mistaken.

We are all guessing, and mine is, that in the us, it will raise its profile a bit more, while mma in europe is in the beginning of its journey.

more german og british based shows, will se it gain popularity. With that more british and german fighters will gain exposure and then the snowball is rolling.

YOU might thinks its shit compared to boxing, and your entitled to your opinion, but demographics show, that mma has the younger generations by its balls, and thats a trend boxing, will have a dificult time to turn around.

When the 18-24 year olds are settling down 10 years down the road, which fighters will they tell their children about, the mma guys they watched or the boxers they do not know.

eventhough i box a bit myself and dont do mma, i still prefer mma in general, as its more action packed. ITS ONLY WHEN BOXING OFFERS ITS CREME DE LA CREME, that im on the edge of my seat, but sadly that doesnt happen very often.

[Rattler]

It's disgusting, I know but that's how it is. I think UFC is just a new generation WWE which will fade away as time goes, it's kind of in it's "prime" right now with all the attention and no skill canvas hugfests or low blow KOs, children enjoy that. Boxing always reigns supreme, it's a legendary sport and it won't drop because of human chicken fighting. Boxing is a sport, UFC/MMA is a circus. These guys mention boxing, boxing doesn't bother to mention them. I have tons of respect for WWE FAR more than UFC garbage and the garbage men controlling it who feel they have to downgrade other sports to promote theirs. If anything, WWE has been promoting boxers/boxing than shitting on them. Didn't they recently let a superstar they have job against Mayweather?, Tyson KO HBK, Ali knocking out the ref..etc, WWE guys are cool, they have always been and never showed disrespect to other sports to promote themselves like the garbage men UFC has.

In the US UFC is doing better, that means nothing. World-wide, Boxing will always shit on garbage like that. It's enough that undercard boxers make more than main eventers in that human chicken fighting nonsense. You try to compare Boxing in England with UFC and people will laugh at you, a circus will never compare with boxing. That's a circus and it's on fire now but will eventually fade and you will see.

These garbage men steal from boxing, boxing doesn't steal from them nothing and doesn't need to. They copy boxing in every thing then come out and shit on boxing, bunch of garbage men as I said. It's human chicken fighting, that's all there is to know. The way I see it is if a sport isn't in the olympics it isn't a sport, end of story. Don't expect human chicken fighting to be introduced, Women boxing was introduced and human chicken fighting didn't and never will. Low blow KOs, headbutt KOs, elbow KOs, ball grabbing submissions. That's a Jackie Chan or Van Dam movie brought to life man, of course it will get attention for a while then piss off.

How very mong of you.

[AJAX]

People have been saying the UFC or mma is a fad and will go away for years now, but it's not it's growing and is one of the fastest growing sports, so even though scarill convince himself it will all go away soon it's not. I come on esb because it's the only place I can find boxing news because nobody in my area follows boxing anymore, all the bars carry UFC events, the last boxing event to make it to a bar was ODL and Floyd and I don't see another one anytime soon.

The one thing good about the UFC having a monopoly is they choose who fights who, the guys arn't selfpromoted and choose the path of least resistance. Guys get thrown to the wolves and don't get to fight 20 cans while in the UFC.

The cards are usually very goog and have many good fights on them besides the main event.

[nfc90210]

The way I see it is if a sport isn't in the olympics it isn't a sport, end of story.

Do you consider (American) football a sport? It isn’t in the Olympics. So by your definition, which is the end of the story, it isn’t a sport. I’ve personally always thought it was a sport. I see now I was wrong. Do you want to tell America or shall I?

[AJAX]

the truth is that Fedor vs Lesnar would not even outsell Pac vs Cotto, forget about Pac vs PBF.

That is not the truth whatsoever, and if you really believe that your in denial, without ODL I don't see any boxing events in the near future coming close to a million ppv buys. UFC 100 did 1.7 million and Brock vs Fedor would do at least that.

[Rico Spadafora]

who cares? Those undercard fights are AWFUL matter of fact that whole card is shit.

[Rico Spadafora]

That is not the truth whatsoever, and if you really believe that your in denial, without ODL I don't see any boxing events in the near future coming close to a million ppv buys. UFC 100 did 1.7 million and Brock vs Fedor would do at least that.


ummm, that 1.7 mil has been disputed by just about every legit source out there other than Dana White himself. Rumors are it was closer to 1.3 mil. White is as bad as Arum when it comes to PPV numbers.

[The Mighty One]

this should be no contest, no boxing fans are gonna watch some BS! while two masters are in the ring at the same time, that shit is for knuckleheads who bash beer cans on their heads, infact its an insult to even mention mayweather and marquez in the same sentence as some barbaric brutes rolling around in a cage.

who the fuck gets aroused by this sadomaschistic gay porn? i sure hope its not fellow "fans" of the sweet science, if any fellow ESBers can stomach that garbage then "God bless ya" and come to your sense

I am a HUGE boxing fan......and....you are a moronic idiot.

[cdnboxing]

Im Buying both. I enjoy Combat sports. For some people like me but are cheap, they will watch the free ufc instead of 50$ of Boxing.

UFC 103 isnt free.

[cdnboxing]

This is why MMA is getting more pub then boxing. Its not the revenue stream...its not the profit...its not the ticket sales...its not the star power...its not even the PPV buys (boxing is still king in these areas). Its just run better. Its the fact that they have the best, fight the best. Everytime there is an MMA PPV, its lined with fights that people "want to see". Where as everytime I fight is signed in boxing, us as fans can normally name 3 or 4 fighters we would rather see fighter X go against. And its sickening.

Think about it...if boxing had 1 HUGE card a month...how huge could it become again? How much publicity could it get?

Mayweather - Pac
Cotto - Mosely
Pavlik - Williams
Hopkins Adamek
Kessler - Froch
Dawson - Pascal

How many PPV buys would that get? Boxing needs to wake the fuck up...and take notes from a sport thats over 100 years younger (at least).

Its all hype. For the most part the best fight the best in the UFC NOT MMA. And even in the UFC there are plenty of handpicked garbage that we see in boxing. Lesnar got a free ride to the championship.

And the boxing card you mentioned is 10x better than any MMA card in its history. Many thought UFC 100 was a great card but in reality it only had 2 elite fighters on the card.

In terms of Mayweather/Marquez, I dont think it does that well on PPV. Its just not a great fight for casual fans. It will certainly bring in some buys with the Mexican community and Mayweather fans but I dont see many casual fans buying this fight. However, the undercard is pretty damn good.

[cdnboxing]

Lol nah man, I love boxing. Im just stating some facts. I wasnt trying to take anything away from boxing at all.

You actually werent stating facts at all.

Thats why UFC is swallowing boxing. It doesnt matter who holds the flashy belt and sells most PPVs. They put on great fucking fights once sometimes even twice a month!

Man, you're just another one of those sheep. UFC hype machine has gotten to you. You need to relax.

UFC is more popular than boxing in NORTH AMERICA. Boxing is more popular, FAR more popular outside of it.

People care about the MAIN EVENT. I could care less about watching Kurt Pellegrino battle Josh Neer on the main card. At the end of the day they are 2 mid level fighters being hyped to shit by the UFC brass. And you're taking the bait.

Belts are actually meaningless in boxing. Sometimes I dont even know if there is a title on the line in boxing. Whereas in MMA, that literally is a HUGE selling point.

[cdnboxing]

Tito Ortiz Former LHW champ and future HOFer is fighting Former HW champ and current HOFer Mark coleman as the co main event

Please dont tell me you think thats a good fight?

This just justifies what I said about you. Tito Ortiz is arguably not even a top 10 LHW, Coleman is average at best and is like 50,000 years old. The fact that its a main card fight is PATHETIC.

[cdnboxing]

Clearly you havennt followed much MMA. Im not geting on you for that but id like to point out ome things in your argument. MMA and Boxing are two diffrent sports. Brock Lesnar doesnt just "lay on" his opponent for 5 minutes. He seeks opening while his opponent is looking for the right time to snap one of his limbs. Its a chess game. Most people enjoy boxing more than that but not every UFC fight is one guy laying on top of another.

Sure, MMA has its boring fights. But it also has its nailbiting thrillers. If you like stand up wars check out these fights, Chuck Liddell vs Wanderlei Silva UFC 79, Forrest Griffin vs Stephan Bonnar 1, Chuck Liddell vs Tito Ortiz (both) Quinton "Rampage" Jackson vs Keith Jardine.

I could find more technical fights at a bar.

[cdnboxing]

Let me find the interview for you ill post it here in a second. So UFC was created so americans could be champions? thats funny because Out of the 5 UFC champions only one is American born.

Hawaii is in America.

[cdnboxing]

Four HBO championship boxing shows this year got nearly 2 million viewers, one UFC PPV show got 1.5 million + viewers. Were you happy to pay $45 for Jardine-Rampage or Franklin vs Silva/Henderson? How do those match ups compare to non-PPV Margarito-Shane, Cotto-Clottey, Diaz-Marquez?

Outside of the Carano-Cyborg MMA Showtime card, their ratings have been ok but nothing spectacular.

I'm not debating the popularity of MMA here, but boxing gets destroyed in the media while MMA gets a free ride.

Bingo, boxing is losing the PR battle to MMA.

MMA seems to get off easy.

[AJAX]

You actually werent stating facts at all.



Man, you're just another one of those sheep. UFC hype machine has gotten to you. You need to relax.

UFC is more popular than boxing in NORTH AMERICA. Boxing is more popular, FAR more popular outside of it.

People care about the MAIN EVENT. I could care less about watching Kurt Pellegrino battle Josh Neer on the main card. At the end of the day they are 2 mid level fighters being hyped to shit by the UFC brass. And you're taking the bait.



Belts are actually meaningless in boxing. Sometimes I dont even know if there is a title on the line in boxing. Whereas in MMA, that literally is a HUGE selling point.

Of corse you don't care about belts in boxing it seems like some guys have armfulls of them and everyfight a belt is on the line.

The UFC has between 250-300 guys and has only 5 belts......don't you think a fight for a belt is a big deal?

[cdnboxing]

No... they're gonna pay 50 bucks to see Tyson fight McBride. Or Tyson vs McNeely. You would never see that in the UFC.

You're right. But they will pay for 1-0 Lesnar to headline a card against Frank Mir.

At least the fighters Tyson fought were experienced fighters.

[cdnboxing]

Of corse you don't care about belts in boxing it seems like some guys have armfulls of them and everyfight a belt is on the line.

The UFC has between 250-300 guys and has only 5 belts......don't you think a fight for a belt is a big deal?

Well, I dont think there are that many fighters on their roster. Probably around 100 are under contract. But I could be wrong.

Im not saying its not a big deal, and i'd actually agree that its slightly more meaningful than some of the belts boxing fights for. However, its not about the belts in boxing, its about making big fights. Thats why people drop their belts in boxing so frequently.

[AJAX]

You're right. But they will pay for 1-0 Lesnar to headline a card against Frank Mir.

At least the fighters Tyson fought were experienced fighters.

So would it have been better for Lesnar to fight 20 cans who he would have demolished? In case you havn't noticed Lesnar is freak athlete and has developed faster then anybody in the sports history. He could have fought every week in lower orgs starting out building his record to make some people happy but he's not a youngster and no need to waste time.

He has already proven what he is capable of.

[fatcity]

Should the UFC kick Boxing's ass on this date(which I believe they will),Boxing has know one to blame but itself.The UFC had the date first and GBP's arrogance and disrespect for the UFC has landed him into a world of financial hurt.

[Boinko]

Well, I dont think there are that many fighters on their roster. Probably around 100 are under contract. But I could be wrong.

Im not saying its not a big deal, and i'd actually agree that its slightly more meaningful than some of the belts boxing fights for. However, its not about the belts in boxing, its about making big fights. Thats why people drop their belts in boxing so frequently.

The problem is that the multiple belts sometimes prevent big fights from happening. It a guy has a WBO belt for example, he can fight the mandatories (which is never any of the other champs), and float for years on his status as "champ".
If there was only one champ per division, bigger fights would get made more consistently. A fighter would never be content unless he had the sole title.
This is where boxing has been fucked up for years. Luckily big fights still get made, but not as consistently as they would.

Now, I'm not saying that the UFC has created a perfect system that boxing should emulate. Far from it. They are a single organization, and as we've seen with the Fedor situation, contracts can prevent the best fighters from facing each other. That's a major problem in it's own way.
But, within the UFC you can always be sure the best fighters are going to face each other, and ever title shot is going to be meaningful in that regard.

[cdnboxing]

The problem is that the multiple belts sometimes prevent big fights from happening. It a guy has a WBO belt for example, he can fight the mandatories (which is never any of the other champs), and float for years on his status as "champ".
If there was only one champ per division, bigger fights would get made more consistently. A fighter would never be content unless he had the sole title.
This is where boxing has been fucked up for years. Luckily big fights still get made, but not as consistently as they would.

Now, I'm not saying that the UFC has created a perfect system that boxing should emulate. Far from it. They are a single organization, and as we've seen with the Fedor situation, contracts can prevent the best fighters from facing each other. That's a major problem in it's own way.
But, within the UFC you can always be sure the best fighters are going to face each other, and ever title shot is going to be meaningful in that regard.

But the problem is UFC is only ONE organization in MMA. In MMA, no champs are unified. Fedor wont fight Lesnar, Shields wont fight GSP, Aoki wont fight Penn, some of the top BW's in Japan wont fight Bowles or Torres.

Im not saying the guys I mentioned would beat the UFC champions but the problem is we likely will never know. And thats bad for the sport. Fortunately very few actually care about MMA, they just care about the UFC.

In boxing, you can theoretically do what you mentioned but if you do, you're going to get ripped to shreds by the media. Its pretty unlikely do something like that especially if you want to make money. You wont make much money fighting mandatories but you will make money fighting other title holders.

Boxing is far from perfect, but MMA really is not much better if at all. It just seems better because one ORG has a stranglehold on the market and nobody really even knows who the best is nor do they really care.

[Boinko]

But the problem is UFC is only ONE organization in MMA. In MMA, no champs are unified. Fedor wont fight Lesnar, Shields wont fight GSP, Aoki wont fight Penn, some of the top BW's in Japan wont fight Bowles or Torres.

Im not saying the guys I mentioned would beat the UFC champions but the problem is we likely will never know. And thats bad for the sport. Fortunately very few actually care about MMA, they just care about the UFC.

In boxing, you can theoretically do what you mentioned but if you do, you're going to get ripped to shreds by the media. Its pretty unlikely do something like that especially if you want to make money. You wont make much money fighting mandatories but you will make money fighting other title holders.

Boxing is far from perfect, but MMA really is not much better if at all. It just seems better because one ORG has a stranglehold on the market and nobody really even knows who the best is nor do they really care.

I agree. That's what I stated in my post. I said neither MMA or boxing are perfect in either regard.

And yes, boxing is better in that you can have the title holders fight each other, but there's no guarantee that'll happen. In fact, it often doesn't since the rival organizations don't rank the other champions. You can't force the #1 and #2 guys to fight each other because there is no fair system of ranking fighters, with one guy being the champ.


For all the talk about UFC overtaking boxing, I think boxing could easily turn the tide by ridding itself of the multiple titles and organizations and having a single champ per division. And the fights would then be determined by a single organizing body based on fair and unbiased ratings. I know, it's probably a pipe dream.

And your'e right, MMA is hurt by the different organizations that don't allow all the best fighters to fight each other.
The simple fact that Fedor can't fight Lesnar because they are in different organizations is bad for the sport. It would be like the NFC and AFC champions not being to play each other in the Super Bowl because of contractual obligations that conflict. (OK, that analogy is far from perfect, but you likely get my drift).

That said, I don't see any of this changing anytime soon, in either sport.

[fatcity]

Zuffa had the date first.When the Mayweather fight was "postponed" it was BOXING who chose to go head to head with UFC and chose the same date and time.They wanted it and now they got it.
GBP must have deep pockets because they are going to need it when this is over.:-(

[T.C.W]

Andre Arlovski Made a gaurenteed 2 million vs Fedor Back in January. Brock Lesnar made over 500,000 in his fourth fight in UFC. How many boxers make that in their 4th fight?

Can we stop arguing like this everyone i am just stating facts not starting any arguments.
An Aussie fighter named Anthony Mundine got $ 600 000 for his first fight in 2000