In 12-16 months Hatton & Calzaghe will be p4p 1 & 2

[db2431]

Book it baby!When Calzaghe demolishes Kessler and Hopkins/Winky & Hatton beats Cotto and PBF its a formality!

[hulter]

Book it baby!When Calzaghe demolishes Kessler and Hopkins/Winky & Hatton beats Cotto and PBF its a formality!

Oii..... great, thanks for letting me know, now i know where to put my money.


hulter

[db2431]

Oii..... great, thanks for letting me know, now i know where to put my money.


hulter

No problem, these 2 are the hungriest, most talented fighters out there at the moment!

[Danny Ocean]

lol hatton wont fight either of them

[Carlos Primera]

calzaghe i can see being top 3 when he defeats kessler this year and propelled to no. 1 when he beats the winner of hopkins-wright. i think hatton-cotto is 60/40 in favor of hatton if it happens at 147.

[China_hand_Joe]

Book it baby!When Calzaghe demolishes Kessler and Hopkins/Winky & Hatton beats Cotto and PBF its a formality!That is rubbish, as the American boxing media decide who is P4P number one. That is also why Calzaghe is outside the top 3 right now.

[China_hand_Joe]

calzaghe i can see being top 3 when he defeats kessler this year and propelled to no. 1 when he beats the winner of hopkins-wright. i think hatton-cotto is 60/40 in favor of hatton if it happens at 147.That is delusional. The Yanks will not ever allow Calzaghe to be given that much credit. They'll move him to 3-5 at best, "Kessler had beaten no greats" "Hopkins/Wright were shot" (even though they still listed them as a top P4P fighter)

[Danny Ocean]

calzaghe is outside the top 3 because hes never fought anyone inside the top 20

[China_hand_Joe]

That has never stopped Hopkins.

[Danny Ocean]

tarver trinidad de la hoya

[sues2nd]

Book it baby!When Calzaghe demolishes Kessler and Hopkins/Winky & Hatton beats Cotto and PBF its a formality!

Are you insane?

I like both fighters....but you have to be a blind moron to really believe this.

And did you call Calzaghe "hungry'?

Wait let me check....

No problem, these 2 are the hungriest, most talented fighters out there at the moment!

Yeah you did????

You really are crazy...:yep

[sues2nd]

That has never stopped Hopkins.

Ummmm, if we are talking top20.

Tito was top 5
Oscar was top 10-15
Tarver was top 20
Jones (a loss, but still...at least he FOUGHT someone worth a note) was top 5...not sure he was #1 yet at that point
Winky is top 5
Taylor was top 10-15 (and those fights were close enough where most people feel he won, so....plus again, at least he attempts to fight good fighters.)

China_Hand_Joe...your a great poster when your blind man love for Calzaghe doesnt cloud your judgement (and even when it does your still at least HILARIOUS!!!! GREAT NEW AVATAR!!! :good ), but you really dont believe what you just said about Hop...

[China_hand_Joe]

Tito and Oscar were not P4P fighters at middleweight in my honest opinion and in hindsight, Tarver is, well Tarver is Tarver. If Joe beats Kessler, then for me that beats any single win on Hopkins resume.

[Korn_06]

Book it baby!When Calzaghe demolishes Kessler and Hopkins/Winky & Hatton beats Cotto and PBF its a formality!

Can I get some of that you are smoking?:smoke

[sues2nd]

Tito and Oscar were not P4P fighters at middleweight in my honest opinion and in hindsight, Tarver is, well Tarver is Tarver. If Joe beats Kessler, then for me that beats any single win on Hopkins resume.

It doesnt matter what weightclass they are in for their p4p ranking...

Just because Floyd moves up in weight to take on someone, it doesnt drop him out of the top spot???

And if you remember, Tito had just DESTROYED Joppy...who WAS one of the better (definately top ten) MWs out there. This Tito wasnt a MW buisiness is ridiculous.

Plus beating Tarver wasnt just impressive because he was a top 20 p4p fighter (Tarver is Tarver was the best way to put it), you also have to look at Hop jumping 2 weight classes to take on the widely veiwed champion at that weight. And to do it at his advanced age was just AMAZING!

And Joe beating Kessler (who is on NO ONES top ten p4p list, tho I personally think he is a fantastic fighter...) isnt a bigger win than Hop over Tito...or Hop over Winky (if it plays out that way)....OR ARGUABLY HOP OVER TARVER (more for the reasons I mentioned above, as opposed to just beating Tarver)...sorry, if Joe pulls it out, it will be a great win, but cmon...

And ya know I love Calzaghe....but again, cmon.

(BUT MY GOD THAT AVATAR HAS ME IN TEARS BRO....:good )

[China_hand_Joe]

It doesnt matter what weightclass they are in for their p4p ranking...

And Joe beating Kessler (who is on NO ONES top ten p4p list, tho I personally think he is a fantastic fighter...) isnt a bigger win than Hop over Tito...or Hop over Winky (if it plays out that way)....OR ARGUABLY HOP OVER TARVER (more for the reasons I mentioned above, as opposed to just beating Tarver)...sorry, if Joe pulls it out, it will be a great win, but cmon...

And ya know I love Calzaghe....but again, cmon.
It does change things a little, or Wlad could beat up Pacman and get credit. Now he is fighting Winky (no spring chicken and no 170 lb fighter). Personally I see beating Kessler at 168 as being worth more than beating Winky at 170. I favour Calzaghe more heavily over Winky than Kessler (you could make a case he is top 10 P4P, he has really dominated his opponents thus far). Hopkins is a legend but I consider him past his best and no longer around the top 5 P4P fighters, no way. This is 2007. Obviously Americans will see things very differently.

[db2431]

Are you insane?

I like both fighters....but you have to be a blind moron to really believe this.

And did you call Calzaghe "hungry'?

Wait let me check....



Yeah you did????

You really are crazy...:yep

Hatton doesnt want to be fighting much past 30 and is looking for the big fights NOW, Calzaghe realises time isnt on his side and for the first time in a while is HUNGRY for big fights, he has money, he's been champ for 10yrs, now he wants respect as best p4p fighter out there before father time catches up with him.

[Decebal]

It does change things a little, or Wlad could beat up Pacman and get credit. Now he is fighting Winky (no spring chicken and no 170 lb fighter). Personally I see beating Kessler at 168 as being worth more than beating Winky at 170. I favour Calzaghe more heavily over Winky than Kessler (you could make a case he is top 10 P4P, he has really dominated his opponents thus far). Hopkins is a legend but I consider him past his best and no longer around the top 5 P4P fighters, no way. This is 2007. Obviously Americans will see things very differently.

Take a break, China Joe! You'll burn yourself out, man!:lol:

[The Italarican]

Book it baby!When Calzaghe demolishes Kessler and Hopkins/Winky & Hatton beats Cotto and PBF its a formality!

We will see ONE of those fights in the next 12-16 months at best.

[China_hand_Joe]

Take a break, China Joe! You'll burn yourself out, man!:lol:You have to agree with everything I said though.

[The Italarican]

Tito and Oscar were not P4P fighters at middleweight in my honest opinion and in hindsight, Tarver is, well Tarver is Tarver. If Joe beats Kessler, then for me that beats any single win on Hopkins resume.

Trinidad was rightfully around Top 3 P4P at the time of the Hopkins fight. He looked even more dangerous climbing up in weight a destroying Reid and Vargas, and he looked as viscious as ever in demolishing a still very-game Joppy. His 2-hand power, his greatest asset, translated to 160 easily. Hopkins's gameplan and ability to tear him apart doesn't detract from that.

[Decebal]

You have to agree with everything I said though.

Do I have a choice?:lol:

[China_hand_Joe]

Trinidad was rightfully around Top 3 P4P at the time of the Hopkins fight. We have hindsight. Trinidad's P4P ranking was bogus and a result of the American boxing media. It is like Toney was considered by many to be the P4P number one. Now we know, in hindsight that was rubbish.

Now Floyd Mayweather is number one, in hindsight, the logical fan will look back and say.."Well actually Calzaghe was probably number one"


We cannot just ignore hindsight. We now know Reid is nothing much, we know Trinidad wasn't really that good.

If we don't ignore hindsight, then the credit we give Calzaghe for beating Lacy needs to be infinite. But as we do we know Lacy wasn't really the saviour of boxing, the new Tyson etc...

[China_hand_Joe]

Do I have a choice?:lol:Not if you are a fan of logic.

[henrik]

calzaghe in top 3 p4p...and now he´s hungry too...uuuh...
honesly.be real for f...k sake!

[China_hand_Joe]

calzaghe in top 3 p4p...and now he´s hungry too...uuuh...
honesly.be real for f...k sake!Make a case for anyone other than Floyd and maybe Pacman being above Joe. Don't start that "he's he has beat nobody" rubbish. If you are the best, you are the best whether you fight an Eric Crumble/James Toney like fighter or whether you fight Roy Jones.

[The Italarican]

Reid is nothing much... but why? Vargas was never quite the same... but why? Joppy never got back to championship form... but why? Ok, that last one is because he was getting old and wasn't as good as Hopkins or Trinidad.

Trinidad's standing was well-deserved. Your suggestion that Reid was never something is speculation. He was a young talented fighter, a beltholder after only a handful of fights, who looked rather good against Trinidad early in their fight before Trinidad rocked him, roughed him up, and wrecked his confidence.

You're giving a little too much credence to hindsight. It's what we in the States refer to as playing Monday Morning Quarterback. What we lose when looking back at things are the little nuances and circumstances that made things the way they were. Trinidad earned his way to the top based on what people actually saw from him at the time. Hindsight can tell you what things you could do to probably capitalize off his mistakes, but that doesn't detract from what he actually did in the ring.

[Decebal]

Not if you are a fan of logic.

oh, dear...are you forcing me to be free, by any chance, China Joe?:lol:

[China_hand_Joe]

It does detract from things. Just look at Tarver's last fight, it has to be taken into consideration. Hopkins was never, ever the real P4P number one.

[The Italarican]

It can detract, but how much it does is another story. Hopkins did not have a legit argument for the #1 P4P fighter at the time of the Tarver fight anyway.

Hindsight suffers many of the same flaws that present analysis does. You can overemphasize or overlook things from the past.

[henrik]

:gsg ooh..and joe really deserve to be p4p top 3 after the "great" fight against contender PETER MANFREDO JR....???

[Alo2006]

Book it baby!When Calzaghe demolishes Kessler and Hopkins/Winky & Hatton beats Cotto and PBF its a formality!

That's an negative! Calzaghe would lose to Kessler, and Hatton would lose to Cotto and Floyd.

[China_hand_Joe]

:gsg ooh..and joe really deserve to be p4p top 3 after the "great" fight against contender PETER MANFREDO JR....???It doesn't matter, fighting Manfredo does not make Joe an less of a fighter. He is the best fighter in the world because he is the best fighter in the world, competetion is a weak argument. He has displayed his talents which are at a level no other fighter can claim to have and no other fighter certainly hasn't show what Joe has shown.

[Decebal]

oh, dear...are you forcing me to be free, by any chance, China Joe?:lol:

China Joe??:think

[China_hand_Joe]

China Joe??:thinkI don't know, but you were basically suggesting my views were totally logical with your previous post.

[Decebal]

I don't know, but you were basically suggesting my views were totally logical with your previous post.

:lol: ...only if you assume that you cannot be free if you don't accept the logical truth...but as a good Marxist, you should know better and logic should count for very little; it's just another means by which the people are subjugated...the negation of the negation should take primacy!

[China_hand_Joe]

I said "I don't know", everything is covered, my hands are clean.

[Decebal]

I said "I don't know", everything is covered, my hands are clean.

nice one, Pontius!:lol: