Anderson vs Jones on Friday

[spud66]

What is everyones views on this then?

[victorhugo4222]

Anderson KO 5th

[RichDam]

Anderson needs to win impressively to re-establish himself as a name to watch in the division. Winning isn't enough at this stage of his career. He should use Junior Witter as an example.

[elle]

Is this a mandatory title defence for Anderson?

[Dunky McCafferty]

Anderson needs to win impressively to re-establish himself as a name to watch in the division. Winning isn't enough at this stage of his career. He should use Junior Witter as an example.

Thats a bit harsh, as Ando is always involved in exciting fights. Hes wiped out the Nuumbembe robbery by beating Magee, & if he can get past Jones, then its time Gilmour delivered a title fight, european at least. Its time for Tommy to deliver for Ando.

[RichDam]

Thats a bit harsh, as Ando is always involved in exciting fights. Hes wiped out the Nuumbembe robbery by beating Magee, & if he can get past Jones, then its time Gilmour delivered a title fight, european at least. Its time for Tommy to deliver for Ando.

Yes he's always involved in exciting fights, but he needs to prove that he is well above this domestic level so he can pursue bigger fights in the future. I get the feeling that Gilmour isn't sure that Anderson ca step up to the next level so he is millking him for all he's worth.

A good stoppaage win will send out a message to Gilmour that he is ready for bigger and better things. It will also be interesting to see whether Anderson can go through a fight without taking his foot off the gas.

[BigEars]

Is this a mandatory title defence for Anderson?

As far as I'm aware it is .

[hook]

nay, it is a voluntary defence.

[dwilson]

Good fight. Jones is ok but Anderson should win. 8KO.

[elle]

Will be watching this fight tonight on Sky.

I favour Anderson to win although Jones has won his last few fights comfortably - don't think hes ever gone 12 rounds though.

As Anderson has been trained by Bob Shannon for this fight (who also trains Andy Morris) he will be hoping for a better result than last Friday.

[hitman_hatton1]

anderson is a good solid domestic level fighter.

no more and no less.

he was unlucky against nuumbembe.

but u could turn the tables on that and say he was a bit lucky against mutley.

i still think the ref jumped it a bit on that stoppage. :roll:

[hitman_hatton1]

real spit and sawdust battle that. :yep

one of the fights of the year. :good

[puremental2]

good fight but result never in doubt

[Max Molyneux]

Anderson's got a suspect chin. Has certain similarities to Hatton.

Only similarities though are being strong, body punching and pressure but his stamina Isn't as good and his chin Is suspect.

[Top Dog]

Anderson's got a suspect chin. Has certain similarities to Hatton.

Only similarities though are being strong, body punching and pressure but his stamina Isn't as good and his chin Is suspect.

:think Ok Max, give me your pearl of wisdom, how do you reckon Anderson has a suspect chin?? Please explain cause I would love to hear it. The guy has had about 160 fights amateur and pro and he's been on the floor once and had never been stopped, so unless you know something I dont, your obviously talking cack.

[Dunky McCafferty]

real spit and sawdust battle that. :yep

one of the fights of the year. :good

I dont get how people are calling it a 'fight of the year' credit to jones, he took one hel of a beating, but kept coming back for more until he finally capitulated at the end. But it was a one sided mauling for the most part.

Gutsy performance of the year candidate from Jones, but fight of the year??? The result was never in doubt.

[Claypole]

I dont get how people are calling it a 'fight of the year' credit to jones, he took one hel of a beating, but kept coming back for more until he finally capitulated at the end. But it was a one sided mauling for the most part.

Gutsy performance of the year candidate from Jones, but fight of the year??? The result was never in doubt.Not fight of the year but still good. The result was certainly in doubt at times for me, Jones' stubborness semed to trouble Anderson. A couple of times I thought Anderson was there for the taking.

[Dunky McCafferty]

Not fight of the year but still good. The result was certainly in doubt at times for me, Jones' stubborness semed to trouble Anderson. A couple of times I thought Anderson was there for the taking.

I can see where you are coming from. Ando however isnt as fragile as you think. Ando fights at such a high tempo that he has to take breathers, & when he does his opponent gets a few good shots in & everyone thinks Ando is ready to drop...

& Ando always comes back & closes the show. Its what he is, an exciting & aggressive fighter who gives the fans what they want, blood & guts action from the first to the last.

[Healy]

i did a write up on it..its in the general..

[elle]

Was a really exciting fight. Although Anderson dominated throughout, Jones proved to be a more than worthy opponent - he really took some punishment and showed incredible heart.

Been a good week for scottish fans - two successful title defences and leading the group in the footie!

[dwilson]

Great fight and worth staying awake for. Jones is a tough guy while Anderson is really good, lets hope he gets a rematch for his old belt.

[kerrminator]

Hi guys, Im new to the sie but know recognise some of the names from elsewhere :)

I though it was a great wee fight but Ando made it a tougher night than it needed to be but all credit to jones who camt to fight instead of just becoming a statistic on Ando's record.

One think about Kev is he's rarely in a boring fight.

[rooq]

decent performance for ando...i keep forgetting he's still young and improving.

where next? a rematch with nuumbembe to reclaim the commonwealth?

[rooq]

btw that was a nasty knock out for bilan on the undercard!

[hitman_hatton1]

I dont get how people are calling it a 'fight of the year' credit to jones, he took one hel of a beating, but kept coming back for more until he finally capitulated at the end. But it was a one sided mauling for the most part.

Gutsy performance of the year candidate from Jones, but fight of the year??? The result was never in doubt.

still a good fight.

rd 10 was a corker.

jones had anderson in trouble at times in there.

[Max Molyneux]

:think Ok Max, give me your pearl of wisdom, how do you reckon Anderson has a suspect chin?? Please explain cause I would love to hear it. The guy has had about 160 fights amateur and pro and he's been on the floor once and had never been stopped, so unless you know something I dont, your obviously talking cack.
You have Scottish bias so you opinion becomes Invalid.

But Ok, he was wobbled a few times by wild straights by Jones that didn't look powerful and he was wobbled by Ali.

He wasn't that hard to hit and was lucky he was stronger than Jones and that Jones wasn't a puncher. His defence will be exposed at euro If he fights Bonsu for the Euro title.

His stamina might be suspect too as he had to take alot of breathers after over throwing.

[Top Dog]

You have Scottish bias so you opinion becomes Invalid.

But Ok, he was wobbled a few times by wild straights by Jones that didn't look powerful and he was wobbled by Ali.

He wasn't that hard to hit and was lucky he was stronger than Jones and that Jones wasn't a puncher. His defence will be exposed at euro If he fights Bonsu for the Euro title.

His stamina might be suspect too as he had to take alot of breathers after over throwing.

How can my opinion be invalid cause I'm scottish:patsch Dont be silly, that means your point of view is not worth a damn when an englishman fights? Jones was in the condition of his life in there, he would have beaten a lot of good guys in that nick. Remember Anderson isnt the finished artcle yet, he can still improve for sure, watch this space

[elle]

That turned into a really enjoyable scrap. No need for Anderson to be disappointed too much as there was no way to reckon in the way Jones went for that title. Some nights a guy just refuses to wilt and goes for it with everything he's got and all you can do is break him down and hope you get the finish.

Anderson could not go hell for leather in every single round as it became clear mid-way through that Jones was fit and ready for this fight. Kevin did a good job of ensuring that he enough left ot weather his own storms and go for the finish. He tried it a few times, didn't get discouraged and it came for him.

I don't know how any can question Anderson's chin. He took a few tonight but seemed to acknowledge the shots and recover from them. His head movement looked good but he did move back in a straight line and no matter how well your head moves looping rights or straight ones can catch you. He could have done with stepping off to the right, still moving his head, and that would have got him away from the left and given him a chance to get his right uppercut off and then throw a right hook off that before seeing what was open for his left.

Jones' pet shot was the right and next time Kevin faces a good right hand punch throwing guy he can step to the right and nullify the shot. He seems a short armed fighter and compact so his head movement can get him inside to land his shots well.

I thought Watt had a good night as well. He was right in saying Anderson shot right up in levels early but was having tough fights up there so a step back, getting a British title for keeps, can keep him from having two-way wars and prepare him to go back up fresh and ready.

Good, mostly, one-way fight and it shows that guys like Jones really want the British title, its becoming increasingly tough to win outright.


Enjoyed your pre-fight article about Anderson on britishboxing.net.

After last nights performance do you think Anderson will now go on to win the Young Boxer of the Year Award decided by the British Boxing Writers Club?

[Max Molyneux]

How can my opinion be invalid cause I'm scottish:patsch Dont be silly, that means your point of view is not worth a damn when an englishman fights? Jones was in the condition of his life in there, he would have beaten a lot of good guys in that nick. Remember Anderson isnt the finished artcle yet, he can still improve for sure, watch this space

No mines worth a time because I actually have criticisms for fighters I like. Good condition yes, but he was getting a one sided battering.

If Anderson's going far then he shouldn't be that easy to hit. He'll probably stay at domestic level.

[hitman_hatton1]

No mines worth a time because I actually have criticisms for fighters I like. Good condition yes, but he was getting a one sided battering.

If Anderson's going far then he shouldn't be that easy to hit. He'll probably stay at domestic level.

yep.

he ain't euro level.

on last night he's not even a potential dominating british champ. :-(

[Top Dog]

No mines worth a time because I actually have criticisms for fighters I like. Good condition yes, but he was getting a one sided battering.

If Anderson's going far then he shouldn't be that easy to hit. He'll probably stay at domestic level.

:roll: Yeah OF COURSE your point of view is valid then:think I do critise scottish fighters, so that must mean my point is sound also? Face it the kid is good, and trust me when I say, he has one of the best chins in british boxing:D

[Top Dog]

yep.

he ain't euro level.

on last night he's not even a potential dominating british champ. :-(

Man, you guys are hard to please, the kid hardly put a foot wrong and your still critising him:nono :nono There isnt anyone in british boxing, apart from the Hitman that would give him a good fight. Jennings, Mathew Hatton and the rest would take a hammering from him, bring them on I say. Winning the belt outright is pretty dominant for me mate, one more fight and it's his to keep. Anderson does his talking in the ring, and is one of the most exciting fighters we have at the minute. Well done Kev :thumbsup :thumbsup

[China_hand_Joe]

Anderson, definitely domestic. Decent domestic, but domestic anyway.

[brown bomber]

Excellent fight very enjoyable to watch but i'll be very suprised if Anderson excels beyond british level. He has no real outstanding qualities he's not paticuarly fast, doesn't hit massively hard and we've seen him troubled by punches. He's a good all rounder but I don't think he is good enough to make any impact at world class. One thing I do like is his variety and the way he puts his flurries together but thats simply not enough at top level. Lets hope i'm wrong (again)..

[brown bomber]

There isnt anyone in british boxing, apart from the Hitman that would give him a good fight. Sorry topdog- but Young Mutley gave him hell and was then exposed by Colin Lynes- I'd pick Jennings (who was robbed against Mutley) to beat him quite handily.

[elle]

i did a write up on it..its in the general..


Saw your piece re: this fight on the main boxing forum and thought it was a good read.

Just a suggestion but you may receive more feedback if it was posted here in the british section.

[Dunky McCafferty]

yep.

he ain't euro level.

on last night he's not even a potential dominating british champ. :-(

Stop the press!!!

Hitman Hatton1 in "I dont rate scottish fighter" shocker!!!!

Change the record FFS.

[Dunky McCafferty]

Man, you guys are hard to please, the kid hardly put a foot wrong and your still critising him:nono :nono There isnt anyone in british boxing, apart from the Hitman that would give him a good fight. Jennings, Mathew Hatton and the rest would take a hammering from him, bring them on I say. Winning the belt outright is pretty dominant for me mate, one more fight and it's his to keep. Anderson does his talking in the ring, and is one of the most exciting fighters we have at the minute. Well done Kev :thumbsup :thumbsup

This was always no-win fight for Ando IMO, the snipers were waiting.

If Ando had blown Jones away early, the snipers would have squealed 'mismatch'

& if the fight went late, the snipers would have squealed 'Anderson is rubbish cos blah blah stopped Jones quicker'

The fact of the mtter is, Jones is improving & was coming off an impressive winning streak. Jones fought the fight of his life, & deserves big praise. However Ando beat him convincingly despite almost punching himself out hitting a brave Jones time & time again with big shots, & won by impressive stoppage.

But hey, hes Ando, & hes hated. So Im not surprised at the 'hes domestic, blah blah' taunts. I remember the same comments were made about Arthur when he lost to Gomez, & look where Arthur is now, on the brink of a superfight.

Fuck the whingers TD, cos thats what they are. We know Ando is better than they give him credit for, its almost like Groudhog day having to deal with them after every Anderson fight. I think they are scared to be honest, cos they see something special in Anderson & it frightens them. Down to their little boots.

[Dunky McCafferty]

Hi guys, Im new to the sie but know recognise some of the names from elsewhere :)

I though it was a great wee fight but Ando made it a tougher night than it needed to be but all credit to jones who camt to fight instead of just becoming a statistic on Ando's record.

One think about Kev is he's rarely in a boring fight.

Well if it isnt my old pal Kerrminator, glad to finally see you here my good man:good

[Claypole]

Ando fights at such a high tempo that he has to take breathers, & when he does his opponent gets a few good shots in & everyone thinks Ando is ready to drop...
He is good to watch, and he clearly has enough stamina to go 12 hard rounds. Those bursts of combinations he put together against Jones looked impressive, but each time he did it he was gassed for the rest of the round. Jones wasn't good enough to fully take advantage of these "breathers".
In my opinion if Anderson wants to compete at a higher level he needs to think a bit more about pacing himself. A better fighter than Jones won't let him take "breathers".

[Dunky McCafferty]

He is good to watch, and he clearly has enough stamina to go 12 hard rounds. Those bursts of combinations he put together against Jones looked impressive, but each time he did it he was gassed for the rest of the round. Jones wasn't good enough to fully take advantage of these "breathers".
In my opinion if Anderson wants to compete at a higher level he needs to think a bit more about pacing himself. A better fighter than Jones won't let him take "breathers".

So, what you are saying is fighters who are regarded as european level & above dont take breathers in fights themslelves? Even elite fighters like Manny Pacquiao have to take the occasional 'breather' as they fight at such a high tempo.

To pick on Anderson cos he cant throw leather non-stop for a full 3 minutes a round for 12 championship rounds is a bit over-critical I think.

& another thing. If Ando was 'gassed' for a full round everytime he threw a flurry, how come he was winning everything on the scorecards?

[Claypole]

To pick on Anderson cos he cant throw leather non-stop for a full 3 minutes a round for 12 championship rounds is a bit over-critical I think.

& another thing. If Ando was 'gassed' for a full round everytime he threw a flurry, how come he was winning everything on the scorecards?
Perhaps I am being over critical, and if he was the best he was ever going to be I wouldn't be so picky. Thing is, I reckon he could go on to do bigger and better things, but not with the performance he gave against Jones.
I never said he was gassed for a full round, only the rest of the round, by which time he had it won.

[Dunky McCafferty]

Perhaps I am being over critical, and if he was the best he was ever going to be I wouldn't be so picky. Thing is, I reckon he could go on to do bigger and better things, but not with the performance he gave against Jones.
I never said he was gassed for a full round, only the rest of the round, by which time he had it won.

No problems my man. At least you are offering constructive criticism, I just have an itchy trigger finger due to some of the unfair comments hes getting, by people who I thought new better.

[China_hand_Joe]

Anderson looked kind of lazy mate, in a Jermain Taylor kind of way.

He could take it easy against Jones though.

If he could throw punches at high intensity for extended periods of time, he might be decent despite his defensive frailties.



I see zero Euro-level sucess unless his output can be increased, especially given his average accuracy. I don't see him ever increasing his output though.

[Dunky McCafferty]

Anderson looked kind of lazy mate, in a Jermain Taylor kind of way.

He could take it easy against Jones though.

If he could throw punches at high intensity for extended periods of time, he might be decent despite his defensive frailties.



I see zero Euro-level sucess unless his output can be increased, especially given his average accuracy. I don't see him ever increasing his output though.

In other words, you see Ando as a domestic level fighter who will never be any better than that. Thanks for your input:blood

To be honest, its the kind of stuff Im used to reading, & I have to stand back sometimes & ask myself "WHY?" why does Ando get this much stick???

Hes only 24 years old, has only been a pro for 4 years & look at his record, he never takes easy fights. He gives the fans what they want, unlike guys like Mitchell & Murray who have built up big flashy recors & have never even fought a risky opponent.

Kevin Anderson does it the hard way, he will fight anyone, & of course that means hes going to be in tough battles from time to time. Kevin Anderson should be held up as a shining example of how prospects SHOULD conduct their careers, but no. Everyone outside Scotland just queues up to take digs at him whilst they talk up guys like Mitchell & Murray whilst they pad up their records for years fighting nobodies.

Andersons record is very impressive for a prospect, hes got some great names on it. Chew over this if you will, how good would Kevin Andersons record look if he had taken the Mitchell-Murray route, & avoided any tough contest. Ando could have been about 25-0 just now, with at least 15 KO's, & everyone would have been slaughtering him for not stepping up...

Ando cant win with anyone south of the border. & thats very sad IMO, & only enforces my beliefs on certain subjects people know me well for.

[achillesthegreat]

I just watched ten minute highlights of it. Looked like a good scrap. Jones looked real tough but Anderson was letting go with the more dynamic and effective work.

Anderson is proven domestic fighter - Commonwealth and British. He'll lose a fight every now and again. Depends who he fights at Euro but surely at some point he could take home the crown. True world class though? I don't see it.

[China_hand_Joe]

In other words, you see Ando as a domestic level fighter who will never be any better than that. Thanks for your input:blood

To be honest, its the kind of stuff Im used to reading, & I have to stand back sometimes & ask myself "WHY?" why does Ando get this much stick???

Hes only 24 years old, has only been a pro for 4 years & look at his record, he never takes easy fights. He gives the fans what they want, unlike guys like Mitchell & Murray who have built up big flashy recors & have never even fought a risky opponent.

Kevin Anderson does it the hard way, he will fight anyone, & of course that means hes going to be in tough battles from time to time. Kevin Anderson should be held up as a shining example of how prospects SHOULD conduct their careers, but no. Everyone outside Scotland just queues up to take digs at him whilst they talk up guys like Mitchell & Murray whilst they pad up their records for years fighting nobodies.

Andersons record is very impressive for a prospect, hes got some great names on it. Chew over this if you will, how good would Kevin Andersons record look if he had taken the Mitchell-Murray route, & avoided any tough contest. Ando could have been about 25-0 just now, with at least 15 KO's, & everyone would have been slaughtering him for not stepping up...

Ando cant win with anyone south of the border. & thats very sad IMO, & only enforces my beliefs on certain subjects people know me well for.

I'm not comparing him to other British prospects, they are all pretty awful mate.

It not really stick as such. He just isn't that good. At the very best he could maybe get a lucky break and get the Euro-title. With fighters like Calzaghe around, what is the point -questionmark-



I told you the exact same with Barry Morrison, before he was schooled by Lynes.

I like Lynes, he cleary started working harder in the gym and bettered his abilites, unlike the rest, who are probably lazy or something.

[Dunky McCafferty]

I told you the exact same with Barry Morrison, before he was schooled by Lynes.

hmm. I like it! A slightly darker side to you slowly surfaces in the face of friendly fire, am I finally working out the enigma that is China Hand Joe?;)

[kerrminator]

Ando has been in some cracking wars and he always gives value for money. He had a glittering ABA career too.

Fighters like Nuumbembe, Okine, Mutley, Magee are always gonna be tough fights and perhaps cause people to doubt his potential but I'd like to know of any other fighter (Hatton included) who could have taken those fights that early in their career and blew those guys away.

My only beef with Ando is sometimes the gaps between bouts is a little long but thats due to his promoter not keeping him as busy. If ****** was promoting him he'd have a 100% perfect record against a load of hand picked opponents but a majority of boxing fans would be believing the hype and calling him the next big star.

Anyone remember Hattons WBU circus when he was being regarded as a legitimate world champ? he was rarely in any fights where he had to dig deep and imo the carer Ando has had so far can only aid him in his quest for bigger things. He might not be a world beater yet but you can bet he would do better than most peeps think if he stepped up now.

I'd like to see him with a top trainer and start full time fighting rather than having to hold down a day job aswell.

ps. Dunky mate, cheers for the welcome :)

[elle]

I'd like to see him with a top trainer and start full time fighting rather than having to hold down a day job aswell.


Welcome to ESB kerrminator! :hi:

Bob Shannon was widely credited as one of the reasons Anderson lost to Nuumbembe at the beginning of the year so some would say it was a shrewd move when they teamed up afterwards.

I think Shannon has done a good job of helping to resurrect Andersons career since then - the way he fought against Magee after losing the Commonwealth and this latest performace against Jones. Its early days but they seem to have developed an understanding already and he is a full time experienced trainer.

I don't know what would happen if there was a rematch with Nuumbembe for the Commonwealth Title though as Shannon wouldn't be able to train them both!

[Top Dog]

Sorry topdog- but Young Mutley gave him hell and was then exposed by Colin Lynes- I'd pick Jennings (who was robbed against Mutley) to beat him quite handily.

Yes Muttley was well beaten against Lynes, but he was totally weight drained, nothing like the fighter that was in against Anderson. Anderson would hammer Jennings I.M.O. Bring him on!

[Top Dog]

hmm. I like it! A slightly darker side to you slowly surfaces in the face of friendly fire, am I finally working out the enigma that is China Hand Joe?;)

Awright Dunky, man, you get some real bell-ends on this site eh? Your right about Anderson not taking an easy route, he always said he wanted good fights from the start. You cant please some folk though, all I can say is watch this space!:thumbsup

[ron u.k.]

i loved the fight.it was described as one-sided and i know what people mean but also it wasn't simply because jones just wouldn't yield and made it ultra competitive even though anderson was winning the rounds.i like anderson,love his fights how far he can go? who knows?i can see where people are coming from who say not much more than domestic level,but also i can see him as a fighter who can improve.some question his stamina yet one of the things i like about him is that he holds his form late in fights.so people having a stamina issue with him leaves me a bit baffled.i hope he goes all the way because he also seems like a nice respectful kid.

[Max Molyneux]

:roll: Yeah OF COURSE your point of view is valid then:think I do critise scottish fighters, so that must mean my point is sound also? Face it the kid is good, and trust me when I say, he has one of the best chins in british boxing:D
He's good domestic level but thats It.

Like Jeff says Jennings would outbox him.

Maybe If Mutt gets some Welter wins, he could get an Ando rematch and learn to finish Kev off this time.

The Euro champ has punching power to check Ando's suspect chin too.

[kerrminator]

People read too much into the Mutt fight imo. Kev was getting back into the fight and was catching up on the cards too.

Mutley was absolutely knackered by the 10th and didnt pace himself for a 12 rounder, thats probably why he looked so good early in the fight....he was using all his fuel reserves up too quickly and ultimately paid the price for it. Mut couldnt finish Ando off in their first encounter and Kev was pretty hurt so I doubt if he could do it in a rematch either. (not forgetting that a rematch would be in Kev's hometown with a better selection of officials.

Thanks for the welcome Elle :)

[Top Dog]

He's good domestic level but thats It.

Like Jeff says Jennings would outbox him.

Maybe If Mutt gets some Welter wins, he could get an Ando rematch and learn to finish Kev off this time.

The Euro champ has punching power to check Ando's suspect chin too.

Suspect chin, you've been on the winegums again, havent you:dead :dead :blood

[hitman_hatton1]

Stop the press!!!

Hitman Hatton1 in "I dont rate scottish fighter" shocker!!!!

Change the record FFS.

bring on anderson-jennings anyday.

the title would be coming back home. :yep

i've nothing against scottish fighters.

but no way is that guy anymore than a solid british champion. :roll:

[hitman_hatton1]

Suspect chin, you've been on the winegums again, havent you:dead :dead :blood

tbf i don't think his chin is suspect.

he's gutted it out a few times when hurt.

it's not too hard to get him going though is it. :yep

[Dunky McCafferty]

Ando has been in some cracking wars and he always gives value for money. He had a glittering ABA career too.

Fighters like Nuumbembe, Okine, Mutley, Magee are always gonna be tough fights and perhaps cause people to doubt his potential but I'd like to know of any other fighter (Hatton included) who could have taken those fights that early in their career and blew those guys away.

My only beef with Ando is sometimes the gaps between bouts is a little long but thats due to his promoter not keeping him as busy. If ****** was promoting him he'd have a 100% perfect record against a load of hand picked opponents but a majority of boxing fans would be believing the hype and calling him the next big star.

Anyone remember Hattons WBU circus when he was being regarded as a legitimate world champ? he was rarely in any fights where he had to dig deep and imo the carer Ando has had so far can only aid him in his quest for bigger things. He might not be a world beater yet but you can bet he would do better than most peeps think if he stepped up now.

I'd like to see him with a top trainer and start full time fighting rather than having to hold down a day job aswell.

ps. Dunky mate, cheers for the welcome :)

Fine post my man, the ando haters have got selective fuckin memories, thats for sure. & as for the warm welcome? nae bother as they say in bonnie Scotland:D Its always a pleasure to see another scotsman on ESB.

[Dunky McCafferty]

i've nothing against scottish fighters.

Glad to hear it HH1. Please do me a favour though h& PM me with a link when you have something positive to say about a scottish fighter, cos I dont want to miss it! I have been waiting so long you see;)

[Dunky McCafferty]

Awright Dunky, man, you get some real bell-ends on this site eh? Your right about Anderson not taking an easy route, he always said he wanted good fights from the start. You cant please some folk though, all I can say is watch this space!:thumbsup

:lol:

The guys that are slaughtering Ando I hope think about his record compared to guys like Murray & Mitchell, who turned pro around the same time as ando & have fought nothing but stiffs & bums(stiff bums?) since.

The people who pick on Ando but talk up Murray or Mitchell should take a step back & think about what it is that makes them a boxing fan. Flashy records, or great fights? Cos its as stright down the middle as that.

[China_hand_Joe]

Dunky, taking the tough route doesn'.t make you an better.

If your rubbish, you're likely to be quite rubbish no matetr what.

[Dunky McCafferty]

Dunky, taking the tough route doesn'.t make you an better.

If your rubbish, you're likely to be quite rubbish no matetr what.

I disagree. Taking the tough route in boxing can be the making of a fighter. You can learn a lot more in one tough fight than you learn fighting 10 stiffs in a row.

Look at some of the great mexican fighters, getting thrown in at the deep end early in their careers made them the great fighters they are today. Brit fans nowadays are too obsessed with the 0. Sometimes an L on a record stands for learning IMO.

But if you are going to persist with the Andos crap line, fair enough, I aint gonna change your mind. Such is life on ESB sometimes, & theres no point in arguing the point any further with your good self. immovable object vs unstoppable force & all that.

[China_hand_Joe]

Look mate.

Scottish fighters have been discriminated against forever. They all have to take the tough route, they have no choice, they are Scottish.

Now with so many fighters taking the tough route and so few fighters emerging anny good. The tough route is bad. Only Arthur has really survived, and sort of Harrison.

[Dunky McCafferty]

Look mate.

Scottish fighters have been discriminated against forever. They all have to take the tough route, they have no choice, they are Scottish.

Now with so many fighters taking the tough route and so few fighters emerging anny good. The tough route is bad. Only Arthur has really survived, and sort of Harrison.

So by your reckoning only Alex Arthur has survived the 'tough route' by being an interim WBO champion, & Scott Harrison has only 'sort of' survived the 'tough route' despite being a two time WBO champion???

Nice logic Joe!

As I said before, Im not going to change your "Ando is pure rubbish" opinion, & you arent going to change my mind that Ando is a good fighter who deserves credit for his achievements so far, so we are best just ending our wee debate! Nothing personal, I just dont see the point in you saying Ando is crap, & me saying you arent giving him enough credit. Lifes too short for us to argue with each other again & again & again on the same subject.

Best if we just agreed to disagree & went our own ESB seperate ways I think! Such is life...

[Max Molyneux]

Suspect chin, you've been on the winegums again, havent you:dead :dead :blood

Stay away from out of date Haggis.:dead

[hook]

I'm a big fan of Kevins and have really just regarded him as a Commonwealth/perhaps Euro contender.

I see Jackson Osei Bonsu (current Euro champ) is now in some of the World top 10 rankings which could see him vacating and leaving the Euro belt up for grabs and I think Kev would be one of the first in line for a shot at it.

Obviously if that does happen then all the snipers are out again saying he didn't win the title from the champ etc but what can he do? Gilmore said he would try get him a shot at Bonsu but appears to have failed.

Kev is still only 24 so that leaves him what? 6/7 years at the top? I don't know how people can rule out a World title of some sort at this stage and although I said earlier a regard him more of Euro/Commonwealth contender at the moment - hey, never say never.

If Gavin Rees can, then fuck it, why not?

[China_hand_Joe]

So by your reckoning only Alex Arthur has survived the 'tough route' by being an interim WBO champion, & Scott Harrison has only 'sort of' survived the 'tough route' despite being a two time WBO champion???

Nice logic Joe!

As I said before, Im not going to change your "Ando is pure rubbish" opinion, & you arent going to change my mind that Ando is a good fighter who deserves credit for his achievements so far, so we are best just ending our wee debate! Nothing personal, I just dont see the point in you saying Ando is crap, & me saying you arent giving him enough credit. Lifes too short for us to argue with each other again & again & again on the same subject.

Best if we just agreed to disagree & went our own ESB seperate ways I think! Such is life...

Beating McGee isn't much of a pinacle for someones career.

I will convince you Ando, is (not shit as such, but) unexceptional.

You are a failure unless you win a world title (one of the big 4) these days. And Harrison, did he really survive, taking on Guzman would have been tough, that is definitely what sent him over the edge. Video footage of Joan. I was looking forward to that fight and so was Frank (and probably boxing fans the world over).

'Ando' requires a huge slice of luck to win a (probably vacant) European title and will never, ever win a World Title, seeing as he is not promoted by Frank ******. Just a friendly warning.

You will look back in 5 years and think, "I should have just given up on Scotch fighters and followed the clearly talented Joe Calzaghe in the twighlight of his legendary career."

[kerrminator]

Beating McGee isn't much of a pinacle for someones career.

I will convince you Ando, is (not shit as such, but) unexceptional.

You are a failure unless you win a world title (one of the big 4) these days. And Harrison, did he really survive, taking on Guzman would have been tough, that is definitely what sent him over the edge. Video footage of Joan. I was looking forward to that fight and so was Frank (and probably boxing fans the world over).

'Ando' requires a huge slice of luck to win a (probably vacant) European title and will never, ever win a World Title, seeing as he is not promoted by Frank ******. Just a friendly warning.

You will look back in 5 years and think, "I should have just given up on Scotch fighters and followed the clearly talented Joe Calzaghe in the twighlight of his legendary career."

Calzaghe started off well with bouts against Eubank and Ried etc but he then spends nearly a decade without fighting another live opponent (Lacy doesnt count imo as he was over rated and untested)

Anderson gets slated after all his fights but he keeps winning them (Nuumbembe imo was a win for Ando and all the Sky pundits etc agreed as did most fans I spoke to North and South of the border)

At 24 years old with 21 fights there is plenty of time for improvement and no one can say he is taking easy opponents as his record is littered with some of the toughest names on the domestic scene.


If there's a will, there's a way and he has a very strong will :yep:happy:thumbsup

[China_hand_Joe]

Tough for Ando maybe.

Easy for Calzaghe maybe.

[elle]

Hello Elle, cheers. I think Fewkes is in with a good shout. Kevin is 2-1 this season so that may go against him. Fewkes is unbeaten with some good names this season so he may just nick it. Although Khan may be in with a shout also.

I hope Kevin gets the belt for keeps, a fight with Thompson would go a long way to greening both men and the winner could move on for an eventual shot at the Euro title.

I suspect Anderson might want his Commonwealth title back but a rematch with Ali is hardly ideal right now.


Hi Terry.

I voted for Fewkes before the Anderson fight and gave similar reasons on the poll we have here on ESB! Khan wasn't on the list of nominees this year. No surprise that Anderson is leading our poll by some margin
and I certainly wouldn't be disappointed if he won.

I also hope he goes on to win the Lonsdale Belt outright - one more and its his!

Whoever is next for him he deserves to do well - I expect he will probably defend the British Title a couple more times before trying to make an impact at euro level though.

[Top Dog]

Tough for Ando maybe.

Easy for Calzaghe maybe.
I can only say, I would rather watch a fired up Anderson instead of a slapper Calzaghe:tong :tong

[China_hand_Joe]

You are entitled to your opinion mate.

Although you deserve to suffer an eternity of misery for possessing such views.

[English_Yank]

Some of you guys are a little too hard on Anderson:? Dunky your right about the Mexican effect:lol: A loss will toughen Anderson up and he's already learned from it. Being an American I've only seen youtube highlights of his Magee & Jones bouts and another vid. I know highlights can make anyone look good but Anderson is in the mix when you compare him to top American prospects. Look at our then-top prospect Delvin Rodriguez got KTFO by fuckin Jesse Feliciano:lol: Anderson would beat the hell out of Feliciano and seeing how Jones fought his heart out he could also beat Feliciano. Chavez Jr has only fought bums after 34 fights. Anderson has fought tougher opponents than most prospects. There's only a few welter prospects I'd rate ahead of him. I'd like to see him on US TV so I can judge for my self.

[Dunky McCafferty]

Some of you guys are a little too hard on Anderson:? Dunky your right about the Mexican effect:lol: A loss will toughen Anderson up and he's already learned from it. Being an American I've only seen youtube highlights of his Magee & Jones bouts and another vid. I know highlights can make anyone look good but Anderson is in the mix when you compare him to top American prospects. Look at our then-top prospect Delvin Rodriguez got KTFO by fuckin Jesse Feliciano:lol: Anderson would beat the hell out of Feliciano and seeing how Jones fought his heart out he could also beat Feliciano. Chavez Jr has only fought bums after 34 fights. Anderson has fought tougher opponents than most prospects. There's only a few welter prospects I'd rate ahead of him. I'd like to see him on US TV so I can judge for my self.

Thanks, & welcome to ESB:good

[Dunky McCafferty]

Beating McGee isn't much of a pinacle for someones career.

I will convince you Ando, is (not shit as such, but) unexceptional.

You are a failure unless you win a world title (one of the big 4) these days. And Harrison, did he really survive, taking on Guzman would have been tough, that is definitely what sent him over the edge. Video footage of Joan. I was looking forward to that fight and so was Frank (and probably boxing fans the world over).

'Ando' requires a huge slice of luck to win a (probably vacant) European title and will never, ever win a World Title, seeing as he is not promoted by Frank ******. Just a friendly warning.

You will look back in 5 years and think, "I should have just given up on Scotch fighters and followed the clearly talented Joe Calzaghe in the twighlight of his legendary career."

Look. I know you are one of those kinda posters sets his stall out to be mysterious, & leaving people wondering where you are coming from, & I like that! You know that, I have told you before. One can never tell if you are being tongue in cheek, or speaking from the heart. So thats why i dont want to continue this debate with you, cos you know Im full on straight from the heart when I am talking about scottish fighters, I take any comment VERY seriously! So the thought of me putting everything into a debate with you whilst you could be sitting at the other end sayng "Look at this Dunky asshole, getting all wound up & making big posts when I couldnt even give a shit about him OR Scotland!"
Well my man, thats why I said its better we just stop conversing about this, cos Im not feeling you.;) But in all seriousness, im being serious. You are too mysterious for me to argue with about this subject! I mean, its questionable if you even give a shit about Calzaghe, & you know this:deal Thats the vibe you give. mysterious bloke.:D

I can only have verbal jousts with people who I think care about the subject matter strongly enough, if you know what I mean.

[elle]

Some of you guys are a little too hard on Anderson:?

Welcome to the forum English_Yank! :hi:

I agree some of the criticism of Anderson has been unduly harsh - my fear for him was that he was going to punch himself out at times he was throwing so many!

One thing I've come to realise quickly here on ESB is that you can always rely on a thread involving a scottish fighter to divide opinion!

[victorhugo4222]

Beating McGee isn't much of a pinacle for someones career.

I will convince you Ando, is (not shit as such, but) unexceptional.

You are a failure unless you win a world title (one of the big 4) these days. And Harrison, did he really survive, taking on Guzman would have been tough, that is definitely what sent him over the edge. Video footage of Joan. I was looking forward to that fight and so was Frank (and probably boxing fans the world over).

'Ando' requires a huge slice of luck to win a (probably vacant) European title and will never, ever win a World Title, seeing as he is not promoted by Frank ******. Just a friendly warning.

You will look back in 5 years and think, "I should have just given up on Scotch fighters and followed the clearly talented Joe Calzaghe in the twighlight of his legendary career."
What an absolute knob-end!!! Apart from Clazaghe what other top boxers do you have? Gavin rees? As soon as he comes up against a decent opponent he will get KTFO and as for 'Big Macca' its the same bullshit with ****** over and over again dodge all the top fighters, give a bung here n there, get his fighters a shot a vacant WBO against a bum and then fight even more bums!!! At leasty when AAA does win it he has done it against the current champ. Jona Guzman, whos actually running scared already as he did when he was to fight Scotty haririson, and someone who is regarded as an elite fighter.

Scottish boxing has alot of top prospects, John Simpson, KEVIN ANDERSON, Ian Millarvie, Paul Appleby and Craig Mcewan just to mention a few, once kessler not only KOs calzaghe but beats him into retirement then who yous goin to have? so go stick your leek back up your arse where it belongs you uneducated twat!

[China_hand_Joe]

What an absolute knob-end!!! Apart from Clazaghe what other top boxers do you have? Gavin rees? As soon as he comes up against a decent opponent he will get KTFO and as for 'Big Macca' its the same bullshit with ****** over and over again dodge all the top fighters, give a bung here n there, get his fighters a shot a vacant WBO against a bum and then fight even more bums!!! At leasty when AAA does win it he has done it against the current champ. Jona Guzman, whos actually running scared already as he did when he was to fight Scotty haririson, and someone who is regarded as an elite fighter.


They are all rubbish mate, this has nothing to do with nationality.

Calzaghe and Hatton are the only UK fighters really worth following right now (for me personally). Though I will watch the rest just to swell my already expansive, almost immeasurable understanding and insight into the sport. You certainly aren't well schooled on the legendary Guzman. I suggest you begin following exceptional talents like the multiweight, undefeated champion Joan and not just exceptionally British fighters.

[China_hand_Joe]

Look. I know you are one of those kinda posters sets his stall out to be mysterious, & leaving people wondering where you are coming from, & I like that! You know that, I have told you before. One can never tell if you are being tongue in cheek, or speaking from the heart. So thats why i dont want to continue this debate with you, cos you know Im full on straight from the heart when I am talking about scottish fighters, I take any comment VERY seriously! So the thought of me putting everything into a debate with you whilst you could be sitting at the other end sayng "Look at this Dunky asshole, getting all wound up & making big posts when I couldnt even give a shit about him OR Scotland!"
Well my man, thats why I said its better we just stop conversing about this, cos Im not feeling you.;) But in all seriousness, im being serious. You are too mysterious for me to argue with about this subject! I mean, its questionable if you even give a shit about Calzaghe, & you know this:deal Thats the vibe you give. mysterious bloke.:D

I can only have verbal jousts with people who I think care about the subject matter strongly enough, if you know what I mean.

Do you remember me saying "Arthur is rubbish, won't win a World Title."? No, because I didn't. I only speak in truths about Scottish fighters. Which are ocassionally positive.

I just seek a world where the boxing fan gives credit to the best, rather than the closest. We should all be supporting Floyd's talent against Hatton's Britishness for example.

[NOrth]

Mr Anderson is in for a tough nights work if he's mandated to fight Mark Thompson in his next defence. Mark fights Kev Mcintyre in a final eliminator in October.

[Top Dog]

[quote=NOrth]Mr Anderson is in for a tough nights work if he's mandated to fight Mark Thompson in his next defence. Mark fights Kev Mcintyre in a final eliminator in October.[/qu

People seem to be forgetting Kev doesnt get easy fights, so coming up against Thompson aint gaunnae put the fear into the wee man, you seem to forget that it'll be a massive step up for Thompson, not a step up for Ando:bart Kev will squash this kid

[Dunky McCafferty]

Do you remember me saying "Arthur is rubbish, won't win a World Title."? No, because I didn't. I only speak in truths about Scottish fighters. Which are ocassionally positive.

I just seek a world where the boxing fan gives credit to the best, rather than the closest. We should all be supporting Floyd's talent against Hatton's Britishness for example.

OK Rupert, no problem:good I just had to make sure you werent just trying to take the piss for taking the piss sake, im feeling you again;)

Im in a different camp of thought to yourself though, although I love certain fighters from different parts of the world like Pacquiao & Bernard Hopkins, I dont get the same buzz when they win as I get when I see a fellow scottish lad doing well. Thats just me, patriotic as fuck! But I dont have a problem with people who want to be fans of elite level fighters only, it takes all sorts as someone once said.

[Dunky McCafferty]

Mr Anderson is in for a tough nights work if he's mandated to fight Mark Thompson in his next defence. Mark fights Kev Mcintyre in a final eliminator in October.

Thompson better watch himself if hes dismissing McIntyre, McIntyre will be no pushover:nono

[NOrth]

No, he isnt dismissing him mate. He has a warm up bout next week or the week after then I believe it'll be chief support to Moore V Facey. Mark is one of the hardest punchers in the division though, and Kev isnt renowned for his whiskers.

[Top Dog]

No, he isnt dismissing him mate. He has a warm up bout next week or the week after then I believe it'll be chief support to Moore V Facey. Mark is one of the hardest punchers in the division though, and Kev isnt renowned for his whiskers.

Man you guys havent got a clue have you:nono The guys been down once in his whole career, amateur and pro. And that against a super strong Muttley, not the same guy who fought totally drained against Lynes. He got back up and KO'D Muttley after that as well. Dont read into this he as no whiskers shit. Tompson will get hammered if they meet, make no mistake. Tell me a good name on Thomsons record, cause he aint fought any names at all, and is record certainly doesnt suggest he is a heavy puncher, Anderson has a better KO record against far better opponents:tong :tong :tong

[Dunky McCafferty]

Man you guys havent got a clue have you:nono The guys been down once in his whole career, amateur and pro. And that against a super strong Muttley, not the same guy who fought totally drained against Lynes. He got back up and KO'D Muttley after that as well. Dont read into this he as no whiskers shit. Tompson will get hammered if they meet, make no mistake. Tell me a good name on Thomsons record, cause he aint fought any names at all, and is record certainly doesnt suggest he is a heavy puncher, Anderson has a better KO record against far better opponents:tong :tong :tong

Ach TD, the haters always make up shit about our lads. I read for years how Scotty couldnt take body shot, even though he never went down to one in his whole career! Ando gets knocked down once in his career by a punch so hard it knocked his tooth out, & he came back & won! Its like people want them beat so much, they start making up shit to make themselves feel more hopeful.

[kerrminator]

Anderson is tough as nails and I cannot believe his chin is being questioned due to one KD in his whole career :roll:

He is the sort of fighter who will take two shots to land one of his own and if his chin was as bad as eople say im sure he'd have been out cold by now.

I wanted to see him face Jennings but as it stands jennings is imo too old and once Ando beat him thats exactly what people would be saying after the fight..."he was past it"

[Top Dog]

Anderson is tough as nails and I cannot believe his chin is being questioned due to one KD in his whole career :roll:

He is the sort of fighter who will take two shots to land one of his own and if his chin was as bad as eople say im sure he'd have been out cold by now.

I wanted to see him face Jennings but as it stands jennings is imo too old and once Ando beat him thats exactly what people would be saying after the fight..."he was past it"

Toally agree Kerminator! Have you noticed that Jennings hasnt called out Anderson at all, and he's disappeared from the british scene all together, it would surprise me if he took a fight with ANDO, cause Kev would murder the guy.:thumbsup

[Top Dog]

Ach TD, the haters always make up shit about our lads. I read for years how Scotty couldnt take body shot, even though he never went down to one in his whole career! Ando gets knocked down once in his career by a punch so hard it knocked his tooth out, & he came back & won! Its like people want them beat so much, they start making up shit to make themselves feel more hopeful.

Aye Dunky, some guys on here are totally pucnhy or havent got a fuckin clue. I think some of them actually just ry to wind up the scottish fan base, constantly putting the scots fighters down. In about 10 minutes I'll have these clown replying with shit like. Going to try and just ignore these clowns, but you know me, I know my boxing fairly well, and sometimes I cant sit back and read this shit. Anderson, no chin, what a pile of total shite, these guys are fuckin retards. Thomson the biggest hitter in the division, aye right, keep on smoking your ganja boys. If it comes off Thomson will take a beating, or I'll bite my own 12 inch cock off.:tong :hi:

[NOrth]

I Was Talking About Kev Mcintyre's chin. It was in response to Dunky saying Thompson better not be taking him lightly.

Jees.

[Top Dog]

I Was Talking About Kev Mcintyre's chin. It was in response to Dunky saying Thompson better not be taking him lightly.

Jees.

Yeah I know you were talking about Kev McIntyre, but I was talking about the other guys on here that have been slagging Anderson off about having a fragile chin:good It should be a good fight with Thompson v McIntyre, McIntyre is a good boxer but doesnt handle punches that well, if he gets caught clean he will be taken out. But he got passed Doherty last time out, so should be an even match for me.

[RichDam]

Toally agree Kerminator! Have you noticed that Jennings hasnt called out Anderson at all, and he's disappeared from the british scene all together, it would surprise me if he took a fight with ANDO, cause Kev would murder the guy.:thumbsup

I said before the fight that Anderson needed to impress and he did to some extent. His hand speed was good and he was on the brink of stopping Jones on a number of occasions. Make no bones about it Anderson was a class above Jones and looked almost bored in the closing stages of the fight.

But I must admit his defence on occasions still looked a bit leaky and Bob Shannon mentioned after the fight that he was still moving in straight lines. He cannot keep relying on his superior fitness and decent chin.

Top Dog, to answer your question about Jennings, he is fighting again next month and I believe he is anything but finished.

A fight between him and Anderson would be intriguing as your man would need to get inside and I am not sure Jennings would allow him to do this. I think it would play out a bit like the Nuumbembe fight, and it would go down to whether the judges were impressed by Ando's aggression or Jenning's skills.

[NOrth]

Ando has benefited so much form the move to manchester, I believe I said he would in a thread sometime ago. As a british welter can you get better day in day out sparring than Ali & David Barnes?

Mark doesnt have bad sparring either. Day in day out he has Khan and Jamie Moore. He was also employed to spar Witter in prep for the Harris fight.

Oh, as for Mcintyre and Doc...

Doc for me has been a huge dissapointment. He was a fantastic amateur but really has flagged in the pro game. He appears quite lazy, is often injured and hasnt lived up to my expectations in the pro game. Time is running out for Tony, hopefuly the defeat to Mcintyre will give him the kick up the backside he needs.

Thompsons performance against Vuma was one fo the best Ive seen by a british prospect in a while. Vuma would have been a good test for Jamie Moore* , Mark came in at 6 days notice fighting a guy in the weight division above and gave a good account of himself. There was over a stone difference when they got into the ring.

[Dunky McCafferty]

I Was Talking About Kev Mcintyre's chin. It was in response to Dunky saying Thompson better not be taking him lightly.

Jees.

:rofl

I will admit I thought you were talking about Ando! I honestly couldnt believe you saying Ando had a dodgy chin, which of course you didnt.

So apologies for that one, my bad:deal

But I enjoyed my mistake, good comedy value I say:lol:

[NOrth]

When I read it back I realised I'd just put "Kev" , and it did read like i'd switched back to talking about Anderson. It'd be a bit harsh (to say the elast) to say Anderson has a suspect chin!