Fighters there are rarely threads of?

[JimmyShimmy]

Is it that people are unwilling to expand their historical horizons?

Let talk about Duran some more! What about Dempsey's title defences ay, oooo, never heard that one, or if Tyson didn't go to prison. I know, lets have Leonard vs. Hagler...'who really won', uuuuuugghhhh, who gives one! There's been a bo-gillion better fights where more worthy men spilt their appendixes who were not wrapped in any of the highlighted footnotes or Technicolor glam that invariably fixates you to the most overcooked sagas in history.

I may jam a knife through my leg! Ouch!

Now talk about a fighter i've never heard of before and I want you to objectively rate him higher than Frankie Genaro.

[Xplosive]

Eusebio Pedroza

[GPater11093]

Jimmy Carruthers
Vic Toweel
Freddie Steele
Vince Dundee
Masao Ohba
Walter McGowan
Santos Lacier

[KOTF]

Dennis Andries

[janitor]

Anybody at flyweight except Jimmy Wilde.

The bantems are sold short also.

[The Funny Man 7]

Fred Aposti
Alberto Davila
Joe Brown maybe

I don't think Antonio Cervantes gets talked about enough relative to his abilities

[GPater11093]

janitor theres a whole thread on the bantams at the moon galaxy rival thread

[teeto]

Many true stories told here.

Apart from the one i did awhile back and one other one before that (that i can remember), Yoko Gushiken, the master.

[GPater11093]

teeto i forgot all about Gushiken when ordering my DVDs really wanted to see him

i'm really getting into the lower weight classes so expect alot more threads on the Flys

[teeto]

teeto i forgot all about Gushiken when ordering my DVDs really wanted to see him

i'm really getting into the lower weight classes so expect alot more threads on the Flys
yeah i was the same a while back, just researched as much as i could in terms of viewing instead of the same old reading.

[GPater11093]

ive never really read about the Flys just watch them and id say there better than watching heavyweights any day. So much action

Chang is one of my favrouites but he gets alot of threads

so Magri is another one i like

[Jack Dempsey]

Jack delaney
Jimmy mclarnin

[Rourke]

Tell me about Max Baer!

[Jear]

Larrry Gains

[mightyd40]

eder jofre

[mochabuzz]

Jeff Sims & Joe Hipp

[AlFrancis]

Fred Aposti
Alberto Davila
Joe Brown maybe

I don't think Antonio Cervantes gets talked about enough relative to his abilities

Alberto Davila! One of my favourites.

[john garfield]

Fred Aposti
Alberto Davila
Joe Brown maybe

I don't think Antonio Cervantes gets talked about enough relative to his abilities

Can't read enough about Joe Brown -- TERRIFIC GUY! Gave me boxing tips as a kid.

[Robbi]

Can't read enough about Joe Brown -- TERRIFIC GUY! Gave me boxing tips as a kid.

Mr Garfield. Where have you been hiding?

[BENNY BLANCO]

Yaqui Lopez and Carlos DeLeon.

Surprisingly Lopez never gets mentioned by Mexican boxing fans and DeLeon never gets mentioned by the Puerto Rican contingent.

[john garfield]

Mr Garfield. Where have you been hiding?

Nice to be missed, R.

I cherry-pick like Mayweather, and pop-in, here 'n there.

[AlFrancis]

Can't read enough about Joe Brown -- TERRIFIC GUY! Gave me boxing tips as a kid.


Tell us more.

[john garfield]

Tell us more.

He watched me spar at Stillman's gym, AF, and took the pains to point out mistakes and demonstrated how to correct 'em.

[Robbi]

Tell us more.

Mr Garfield is one of the legends. An old timer. Not far away from turning 21.

[john garfield]

Mr Garfield is one of the legends. An old timer. Not far away from turning 21.

For almost the fourth time around, R

[Robbi]

For almost the fourth time around, R

Not long until your hitting 80, huh?

[john garfield]

Not long until your hitting 80, huh?

I like to think of it as being "experienced"

If you believe that, R, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.

[Robbi]

I like to think of it as being "experienced"

If you believe that, R, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.

You're an old tiger of the fight game :good

Duran v Whitaker

Hopkins v Hagler.

Pick your winners, JG.

[john garfield]

You're an old tiger of the fight game :good

My wife would question the "tiger' part

Duran v Whitaker

Hopkins v Hagler.

Pick your winners, JG.

My wife would question the "tiger' part, R.

Never get into mythical match-ups -- too frustrating. Wind-up going round-'n-round

[TheGreatA]

I've always found Benny Bass a rather interesting boxer. He was very short and stocky and likely one of the toughest boxers to have ever lived.

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I guess there isn't a whole lot of information on him but here are some accounts of his ring battles:

"Harold Ribalow, in The Jew In American Sports, wrote this about the Bass-Chapman fight: "Its savagery, its skill & its pace have seldom been equaled by anyone."

As if to belie the maelstrom to come, the fight started slowly. Over the first two rounds the opponents cautiously felt each other out. In the third, the pace was accelerated greatly & maintained for the rest of the fight. Brawling on the inside, they inadvertently clashed heads & Bass' right eyelid was severely lacerated. Chapman began trying to zero in on the damaged orb, but Benny used his considerable store of boxing skills too keep Chapman at bay & avoid further severe damage too the eyelid. By the seventh round, giving as good as he was getting, Benny opened a severe gash over one of Chapman's eyes.

The ninth round of the fight ranks as one of the great rounds in the annals of fistiana -- right up there with Dempsey-Willard (round 1), Dempsey-Firpo (round 1), Louis-Schmelling II (round 1), Hagler-Hearns (round-1) & Holyfield-Bowe I (round 10).

Both fighters exploded out of their respective corners at the bell. Colliding mid-ring, they both threw wild looping overhand rights that landed simultaneously. Both fighters fell to the canvass as if pole axed. Double knockdowns are rare events in boxing and the crowd & referee were stunned. The referee began the count and Benny shakily rose from the canvass on quivering legs at the count of two. The glassy eyed & very hurt Chapman managed to get to his feet at the count of nine. Both thoroughly dazed fighters, operating on pure fighting instinct, threw themselves at each other in a furiously sustained barrage of leather. At the end of the exchange Benny landed another hard right hand and Chapman went down. To the amazement of the 30,000 fans who had filled Shibes Park, Chapman somehow managed to regain his feet before the count of 10 and again the fighters threw themselves at each other in a hellaciously wild exchange that was maintained until the conclusion of the round.

By the mid-point of the 10th round both fighters were bloodied, grisly zombies, fighting on empty, with nothing but sheer will too maintain them. Ribalow describes the scene at the end of the fight: " Bass was in bad shape. His eye was badly bruised & his own blood was mixed with Chapman's blood. . . Chapman was completely covered with dried blood, which glistened where his perspiration met with blood. His teeth were out in a perpetual snarl & he moved with the deliberation of a sleepwalker. He threw punches he was unconscious of throwing & Bass ducked them with a casualness born of fatigue. Yet Bass seemed a bit more alert than Chapman & when the bell rang he seemed more human, more alive." Upon winning the well deserved decision Benny Bass became the featherweight champion of the world."

"On February 10th, he faced the immortal Tony Canzoneri in New York City for the undisputed world title. Even though he lost a 15 round decision along with his title, Bass covered himself with fistic glory in a display of courage & stamina seldom seen before or since in the squared circle. During the third round of the encounter Bass somehow got his collarbone broken in five places. This kind of injury is excruciatingly painful making even something as simple as clenching your fists & holding them up agonizing.

Benny somehow not only mustered the will too fight on for another 12 rounds; but from the 10th round on, he mounted a furious rally & almost pulled out of an extremely close 15 round split decision loss! Too accomplish this, against a fighter in his prime who was as great as Canzoneri, was a remarkable feat."

Another interesting but not much talked about fighter was Panama Al Brown, the nearly 6 feet tall bantamweight champion.

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[AlFrancis]

He watched me spar at Stillman's gym, AF, and took the pains to point out mistakes and demonstrated how to correct 'em.

Great stuff JG. I've grown up in a world of boxing myself. It's been a great place to grow up in. The old fighters and the stories, can't get enough of it.
I'm old enough to remember meeting as a child the likes of Peter Kane, Larry Gains and Ernie Roderick. When I'm with my dad he tells him about the men he met and knew. Dempsey, Carpentier, Kid Berg, Ted Kid Lewis, Len Harvey and all the lesser known names from the past.

[Chris Warren]

I never seen a thread about Junior Jones, he knocked out Barrera before Pac did and did it more convincing but nobody ever mentions him. Pac became a god to most people after he beat Barrera yet Junior Jones remained a nobody and we all know why he did.

[TheGreatA]

I never seen a thread about Junior Jones, he knocked out Barrera before Pac did and did it more convincing but nobody ever mentions him. Pac became a god to most people after he beat Barrera yet Junior Jones remained a nobody and we all know why he did.

Because his chin was made of glass.

[john garfield]

Great stuff JG. I've grown up in a world of boxing myself. It's been a great place to grow up in. The old fighters and the stories, can't get enough of it.
I'm old enough to remember meeting as a child the likes of Peter Kane, Larry Gains and Ernie Roderick. When I'm with my dad he tells him about the men he met and knew. Dempsey, Carpentier, Kid Berg, Ted Kid Lewis, Len Harvey and all the lesser known names from the past.

Though you're in the U.K., AF, and I'm in the U.S., our memories growing up -- albeit for the names of the fighters -- are the same.

I can still remember when I was about five or six Jack Dempsey leaning down:"Put up your dukes!"

When I did, he roared with laughter 'n scooped-me-up with one hand, tousled my hair, and held me in the crease of his shoulder; the monument of his face next to mine.

[GPater11093]

Though you're in the U.K., AF, and I'm in the U.S., our memories growing up -- albeit for the names of the fighters -- are the same.

I can still remember when I was about five or six Jack Dempsey leaning down:"Put up your dukes!"

When I did, he roared with laughter 'n scooped-me-up with one hand, tousled my hair, and held me in the crease of his shoulder; the monument of his face next to mine.

thats a great story

JG you've met some characters .

[red cobra]

Hiroshi Kpbayashi, Rafael Herrera, Raul "Jibaro" Perez, Johnny Famechon, Paul Fuji, Kuniaki Shibata, Yoshio Shirai, Paul Pender, Clemente Sanchez...to name a few of the more relatively obscure champions of the past.

[red cobra]

I never seen a thread about Junior Jones, he knocked out Barrera before Pac did and did it more convincing but nobody ever mentions him. Pac became a god to most people after he beat Barrera yet Junior Jones remained a nobody and we all know why he did.
Yeah, everybody's a racist here...we all hate black fighters...

[john garfield]

bump

[My2Sense]

Joe Grim

[AlFrancis]

Though you're in the U.K., AF, and I'm in the U.S., our memories growing up -- albeit for the names of the fighters -- are the same.

I can still remember when I was about five or six Jack Dempsey leaning down:"Put up your dukes!"

When I did, he roared with laughter 'n scooped-me-up with one hand, tousled my hair, and held me in the crease of his shoulder; the monument of his face next to mine.

Now that would have made a great avatar.

[kidargentine]

eder jofre

If there was more footage of Jofre, he'd be everyones favorite fighter.

I'd say the great Thai-boxer Pone Kingpetch needs a thread. Had some good fights with both pascual perez and fighting harada.

[JimmyShimmy]

Well this has turned out very nicely people!

Eder Jofre was a great shout, he was fantastic and barely gets a word. Len Harvey as well, lovely fighter. Pone Kingpetch; good shout.

Both Panama Al and Joe Brown were very interesting characters with hectic careers.

[GPater11093]

i think Jofre gets quite lot of mentions

Nana Konadu never seen his name on here

or Freddie Steele

[john garfield]

John Henry Lewis
Artie Levine
Tippy Larkin
Ken Overlin
Lou Brouillard
Melio Bettina
Larry Boardman

[GPater11093]

Bobo Olssen - very exciting fighter

[Raging B(_)LL]

Johnny Bratton
Ralph Tiger Jones
Luis Rodriguez
Willy Pastrano
Joe Brown
Henry Hank
Ralph Dupas
Joey Archer
Pierre Langlois
Gil Turner
Carl Olson
Rocky Castellani
Gaspar Ortega
Raul Macias
Rodolfo Martinez
Matthew Saad Muhammad
Spider Webb
Victor Galindez
Yaqui Lopez
Joey Giambra
Jose Gonzalez
Jose Torres
Jose Medel
Kuniaki Shibata
Antonio Cervantes
Art Hafey
Art Aragon
Armando Muniz
Buster Mathis Sr.
Curtis Parker
Eddie Perkins
Effren Torres
Jose Medel
Shozo Saijo
Ernesto Marcel
Greg Haugen
Gregorio Peralta
Holley Mims
Jimmy Paul

[Jack Dempsey]

Tony Janiro

[AlFrancis]

Lou Salica
Harry Jeffra
Sixto Escobar
Harold Dade
Joey Archibald

[Jack Dempsey]

Jack Dempsey





























Joke

[mike huntt]

mirko cro cop very very strong fite man

[lufcrazy]

Two that come to mind for me personally.

1) kid gavilan, I read once that his record is deceptive and he actually should have won the majority of his losses. Further research into this claim could see him crack my top 25.

2) Another is gentleman james corbett, up until his loss to fitz I believe he achieved more or atleast equal to the achievements of tunney. I don't think past prime losses should be held against him and actually am willing to officially label him as "underrated"

[Saintpat]

Pete Ranzany

[Saintpat]

Tami Mauriello

[Swarmer]

McLarnin/Ross/Canzoneri/Chocolate. Where's the love?

[john garfield]

Fred Aposti
Alberto Davila
Joe Brown maybe

I don't think Antonio Cervantes gets talked about enough relative to his abilities

Can't get enough of "Ol Bones, TFM.

[john garfield]

Tami Mauriello

ABSOLUTELY! S. Throw in Lee Oma 'n Joe Baksi.

[burt bienstock]

Tony Janiro
JD, I have fond memories of Tony Janiro. At 16 he won the Ohio Golden Gloves title, turned pro and was the best looking boxing prospect i ever saw. He was expected to be another tony Canzoneri, but women was his downfall. He was a curley haired pink cheeked matinee idol,and was catnip to the ladies. After he retired he became a bartender near the old MSG...

[frankenfrank]

Merqui Sosa (despite the last one)
Tony Thornton
Reggie Johnson
Orlin Norris (despite I made 2 or 3)
Jameel McCline
Carmen Basilio
Ossie Ocassio
Rubin Carter
Rodrigo Valdez
Steve Collins

[frankenfrank]

Two that come to mind for me personally.

1) kid gavilan, I read once that his record is deceptive and he actually should have won the majority of his losses. Further research into this claim could see him crack my top 25.

2) Another is gentleman james corbett, up until his loss to fitz I believe he achieved more or atleast equal to the achievements of tunney. I don't think past prime losses should be held against him and actually am willing to officially label him as "underrated"
From my experience with you and your list Gavillan could crack your top 10.

[john garfield]

Mr Garfield. Where have you been hiding?

That's what my creditors wanna know, R

[Pachilles]

there hasnt been a Duran v Barkley thread the past 4 minutes

[Bogotazo]

Fred Aposti
Alberto Davila
Joe Brown maybe

I don't think Antonio Cervantes gets talked about enough relative to his abilities


For realz! I'd love to hear people's perspectives on his technique and stylistic ability.

[Jack Dempsey]

JD, I have fond memories of Tony Janiro. At 16 he won the Ohio Golden Gloves title, turned pro and was the best looking boxing prospect i ever saw. He was expected to be another tony Canzoneri, but women was his downfall. He was a curley haired pink cheeked matinee idol,and was catnip to the ladies. After he retired he became a bartender near the old MSG...

:good

Women:-(

[red cobra]

Nice to be missed, R.

I cherry-pick like Mayweather, and pop-in, here 'n there.
But you're better than Mayweather and just as undefeated as he is J.G.:good

[red cobra]

Johnny Bratton
Ralph Tiger Jones
Luis Rodriguez
Willy Pastrano
Joe Brown
Henry Hank
Ralph Dupas
Joey Archer
Pierre Langlois
Gil Turner
Carl Olson
Rocky Castellani
Gaspar Ortega
Raul Macias
Rodolfo Martinez
Matthew Saad Muhammad
Spider Webb
Victor Galindez
Yaqui Lopez
Joey Giambra
Jose Gonzalez
Jose Torres
Jose Medel
Kuniaki Shibata
Antonio Cervantes
Art Hafey
Art Aragon
Armando Muniz
Buster Mathis Sr.
Curtis Parker
Eddie Perkins
Effren Torres
Jose Medel
Shozo Saijo
Ernesto Marcel
Greg Haugen
Gregorio Peralta
Holley Mims
Jimmy Paul
Fantastic list RB...some of my favorite fighters...especially Willie Pastrano and Victor Galindez...:thumbsup

[red cobra]

Of that previous list..Jose Torres is most under represented when it comes to threads and posts IMO.

[Cobra33]

Freddie Pendleton
Henry Hank
Edwin Rosario
CARLOS ORTIZ-one of the few lightweights that matches up with Duran.
Beau Jack
Carmen Basilo
Tony Zale-muderous body puncher
Maxie Rosenbloom-had 200 wins and nobody ever talks about him.
Donnie Lalonde-people underestimate him-had a GREAT righthand.
Tony Lopez-Had alot of great fights
Brian Mitchell-soild boxer.
Marvin Johnson
Billy Conn
Harold Knight
Johhny Dundee
Doug Dewitt
Gene Fullmer-not pretty but effective
Tommy Ayers-if not for drugs would have been champ for sure.
Lindell Holmes

[bigjake]

how about yvon durelle

[red cobra]

how about yvon durelle
Don't hear very much about him bigjake, unless the name of Archie Moore is brought up.

[Seamus]

Dave Jaco!

[red cobra]

Tim Timoshek.....Jeepers!!!

[Vic-JofreBRASIL]

KID McCOY

[Nemesis]

Dave Charnley

[tommygun711]

Hector Camacho

[Thinman]

Esteban Dejesus
Miguel Canto
Nicolino Loche

[tommygun711]

Kid Akeem.

[Vic-JofreBRASIL]

Antonio Esparragoza
Billy Graham
Humberto Gonzalez
Stevie Johnston
Myung Woo Yuh
Raul Perez
Freddie Cochrane
Johnny Saxton
Jose Luis Castillo
Willie Joyce
Young Stribling
Don Jordan
Samuel Serrano
Nana Konadu
Oscar Bonavena
Junior Jones
Hogan Kid Bassey
Jack Delaney
Ralph Dupas
Ken Overlin
Jose Torres
John Stracey
Sammy Mandell
Sid Terris

[Seamus]

Mike Schutte
Frans Botha
Kallie Knoetze
Johnny du Plooy
Doug de Vet
Pierre Coetzer
Johnny Britz

[sportofkings]

Carlos Ortiz, could very well be the greatest Puerto Rican fighte them all and I rarely see threads about him.

[red cobra]

Antonio Esparragoza
Billy Graham
Humberto Gonzalez
Stevie Johnston
Myung Woo Yuh
Raul Perez
Freddie Cochrane
Johnny Saxton
Jose Luis Castillo
Willie Joyce
Young Stribling
Don Jordan
Samuel Serrano
Nana Konadu
Oscar Bonavena
Junior Jones
Hogan Kid Bassey
Jack Delaney
Ralph Dupas
Ken Overlin
Jose Torres
John Stracey
Sammy Mandell
Sid Terris
Vic,..I'd sure like to read more about oscar Bonavena..he's always been an interesting character to me.

[Stevie G]

Is it that people are unwilling to expand their historical horizons?

Let talk about Duran some more! What about Dempsey's title defences ay, oooo, never heard that one, or if Tyson didn't go to prison. I know, lets have Leonard vs. Hagler...'who really won', uuuuuugghhhh, who gives one! There's been a bo-gillion better fights where more worthy men spilt their appendixes who were not wrapped in any of the highlighted footnotes or Technicolor glam that invariably fixates you to the most overcooked sagas in history.

I may jam a knife through my leg! Ouch!

Now talk about a fighter i've never heard of before and I want you to objectively rate him higher than Frankie Genaro.
Barry McGuigan

[PhillyPhan69]

Joltin Jeff Chandler
Brian Mitchell
Boza Edwards
Rocky Lockridge

[Vic-JofreBRASIL]

Vic,..I'd sure like to read more about oscar Bonavena..he's always been an interesting character to me.
me too bro.....

[Vic-JofreBRASIL]

Masamori Tokuyama
Small Montana
Teddy Yarosz
Pedro Montanez

[Twelve]

Seems like Willie Pastrano has been lost in the annals of time..

[salsanchezfan]

Harry Arroyo

[red cobra]

:goodSeems like Willie Pastrano has been lost in the annals of time..
Another favorite of mine.:good

[DKD]

Anyone remember Mark Breland?

Edwin Rosario deserves more attention.

[Drew101]

Frank Klaus
Freddie Miller
Baby Arizmendi
Kid Azteca
Jorge Lujuan
Paul Banke
Bruce Curry
Veerapol Sahaprom
Terrance Alli
Mysterious Billy Smith

[Vic-JofreBRASIL]

Frank Klaus
Freddie Miller
Baby Arizmendi
Kid Azteca
Jorge Lujuan
Paul Banke
Bruce Curry
Veerapol Sahaprom
Terrance Alli
Mysterious Billy Smith
:good

[Vic-JofreBRASIL]

Clarence (Bones) Adams
Johnny Bratton
Tony DeMarco

[thistle1]

Peter Keenan, and loads and loads more...