A Mayweather Revisionist's worst nightmare:

[Guru_Too_You]

There's been another thread circulating the past few days about the supposed "ducking" that Mayweather has done in his career, and I find it quite laughable. I don't know if the individuals (C MONEY) who are Mayweather detractors were even fans of the sport at the time, for I have no idea why they can't remember how things went down throughout Floyd's career, especially the younger years.


Regarding Spadafora C Money, since you seem to have a hard on over that one, while Mayweather was beating the universally recognized man at 135 in Jose Luis Castillo, Spadafora was squeaking by Angel Manfredy, of whom Mayweather had stopped in the second round a year or two before.

Spadafora then went on to fight the amazing Dennis Pedersen in November, while Mayweather was proving his detractors wrong by rematching Jose Luis Castillo.

Spadafora agreed to fight Dorin before Mayweather agreed to fight Sosa. The same Sosa that many members of the media felt was jobbed against Spadafora, when Spadafora hit the canvas twice against Sosa. Spadafora decided to vacate the division following this bout, citing weight problems for his draw against Dorin. And who was the first person that Mayweather challenged when he wanted to move up to 140 after the N'Dou bout? You guessed it, Paul Spadafora. And it wasnt a guarantee that the commission would not agree to sanction the Mayweather-Spadafora bout. You like to spew garbage without knowing the facts. A quick google of the annual ring rankings at lightweight for 2003 will show that Spadafora was unranked, having vacated the division after being ranked behind Castillo and Stevie Johnston the prior two years.

Spadafora agreed to the challenge in February of 2004 before the bout was shot down by the proposed sanctioning body.

Get your facts straight.

And before you go talking up Stevie Johnston, you have to remember that he looked less than stellar in his fights following the Castillo bouts, and by the time that Floyd and Jose Luis were finished doing their thing, Johnston was sparked out by Juan Lazcano.

[Guru_Too_You]

Regarding Casamayor and Freitas:

At the end of 2000, Corrales was the number one ranked junior lightweight and Floyd was ranked number two. Very fitting, considering that they fought each other in January of 2001.

Then Floyd decided to have a bout in his hometown after winning the biggest fight of his career against Hernandez (a future world title holder), while Jesus Chavez was winning a title eliminator bout at the same time. I'd also like to point out that following his win in the title eliminator, Chavez was ranked #4 by Ring Magazine right behind Casamayor and Freitas. Floyd defended his belt against his mandatory challenger in Chavez, and while this was taking place, Casamayor and Freitas fought each other. Floyd immediately said following the Chavez bout that he was vacating the division due to troubles making the weight.

Reference that Floyd was already on his way out before Freitas-Casamayor took place:
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You could make a case that he "ducked" them if youre unbelievably biased, but he had a hometown bout following his performance against Corrales, and then fought his mandatory challenger who was ranked comparably to Casamayor and Freitas at the time.

And I dare you to find an article anywhere that has Casamayor or Freitas calling out Floyd.

[Guru_Too_You]

Regarding Kostya Tszyu:

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Since you dont believe that a Tszyu-Hatton bout was more lucrative at the time, you should really read the last paragraph.

And FYI: The only time an HBO fighter and Showtime fighter ever fought each other was when Lewis-Tyson took place.

Read along in this one to find that even Floyd doubted it would be easy to make the Tszyu bout happen due to the conflicting networks:

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[MacManJr.]

Good shit! The haters never give up though!

[Thread Stealer]

At 140 it was down to two opponents for Floyd, Cass and Mitchell and Floyd chose to fight the worn out Mitchell instead of Cassy".

Mayweather-Mitchell was @ 147. Casamayor's been fighting @ 130 and 135 for pretty much his whole career, although he's been over the 135 lb limit a couple times.

[brooklyn1550]

Thanks for that

[KayEpps]

Shit - if he doesn't get your point - he needs to shot himself.

[BITCH ASS]

Why are you defending Floyd?

Who gives a fuck about this shit?

[Guru_Too_You]

A post of mine from the other thread.

"Casamayor had been calling out Floyd even before he fought Freitas, in a post fight interview Floyd said he'd like to fight Casamayor, but it never happened. At 140 it was down to two opponents for Floyd, Cass and Mitchell and Floyd chose to fight the worn out Mitchell instead of Cassy".

As EB pointed out, the Mitchell bout was Floyd's first at 147. Casamayor has never even truly campaigned at 140. I don't know where this is coming from, but if you can provide a link, I'd be more than welcome to read about it.

[Guru_Too_You]

Why are you defending Floyd?

Who gives a fuck about this shit?
Great post. Thanks for your intelligent contribution.

[BITCH ASS]

Great post. Thanks for your intelligent contribution.

Well it's like you're defending him for having sex with some dude when allegedly he didn't.

Why the fuck would you defend this shit?

[kg0208]

Well it's like you're defending him for having sex with some dude when allegedly he didn't.

Why the fuck would you defend this shit?

Sorry Capfunds, but you have attacked PBF relentlessly before. So if you felt so obligated to attack, why cannot others feel just as obligated to defend? And for that matter, why does EITHER matter? It's a boxing board and the post is about boxing.

[BITCH ASS]

Sorry Capfunds, but you have attacked PBF relentlessly before. So if you felt so obligated to attack, why cannot others feel just as obligated to defend? And for that matter, why does EITHER matter? It's a boxing board and the post is about boxing.

I don't know.

[Marnoff]

I don't know.

Obviously.

[Guru_Too_You]

"It’s true that possible Floyd opponents Ricky Hatton and Miguel Cotto don’t want to make those fights right now, but Floyd doesn’t want Antonio Margarito and publicly turned down Joel Casamayor in favor of Mitchell."

Yeah I'd like to know who that is quoting. I'm pretty sure that Margarito and Arum hadn't begun calling out Mayweather until after the Mitchell bout, considering he wasnt even a welterweight until that bout.

And Casamayor all the way to 147? That seems far fetched to me.

[Guru_Too_You]

Well it's like you're defending him for having sex with some dude when allegedly he didn't.

Why the fuck would you defend this shit?

No this is for posters like you who relentlessly revise history in order to bash a fighter.

I'm just proving all the bull shit to be what it is, revisionist bull shit.

[kg0208]

Yeah I'd like to know who that is quoting. I'm pretty sure that Margarito and Arum hadn't begun calling out Mayweather until after the Mitchell bout, considering he wasnt even a welterweight until that bout.

And Casamayor all the way to 147? That seems far fetched to me.

Margarito hadn't publicly called out PBF before that, but he had made an offer for something like 6 million (may have been 4 million) before PBF took the Mitchell bout.

I know this because I was arguing with Carlito who said PBF was a punk for fighting Hatton cuz he was not at 147. I showed him an article where Arum states that he offered PBF a fight with Margarito when PBF was still at 140 and trying to get Hatton in the ring, but also thinking of moving to WW. He chose Mitchell....but the point of that thread was that Carlito (who was a huge Margo fan) was being a hypocrite because he didn't have a problem with Margarito calling out PBF while he was still at 140, but didn't like PBF calling out Hatton who at least has already fought at 147 once and won a belt there.

[Marnoff]

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what jme248 wrote: floyd ducked casymor,to fight mitchell.

Wait, you're quoting what someone else said in another forum... as evidence?

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what jme248 wrote: floyd ducked casymor,to fight mitchell.

You're using what a poster said on a board as evidence?

Mayweather was originally supposed to fight Judah for the WW title in November 2005, after Floyd fought Gatti.

But Top Rank ended up winning the purse bid to promote Rahman-V. Klitschko. That was scheduled to be on HBO PPV on November 12, 2005. This was unexpected. With PPV locked up in Nov 2005, Dec 2005 (Taylor-Hopkins 2), and later Pac-Morales 2 in Jan 06', King and Arum agreed to look at Mayweather-Judah for the future. The April 2006 date ended up staying after Zab lost, much like the Jan 06' date stayed for Pac-Morales 2 even after Morales lost to Stinky Raheem.

Mayweather decided to fight a southpaw welterweight (new to 147 though) in Mitchell that would have give him some preparation for Judah in styles. One that was also a pretty safe fight, as we all know that Mitchell had seen better days before.

[Marnoff]

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Go down to number 6 Floyd Mayweather.

And it's not far fetched cuz they started at the same weight.

So you're quoting someone that has Floyd has sixth pound for pound?

[Marnoff]

So you think me, him and the another guy are lying? That's three people who said Floyd's debut at 147 was down to two opponents, Casamayor and Mitchell. Why would we make that that up?

I honestly don't give a fuck as to your motives.

As for your sources, they're not credible. In other words, they mean nothing.

[Thread Stealer]

Arum had an option on Casamayor's next fight because he fought Diamond. That was Floyd's last fight under Arum.

No it wasn't.

Mayweather's last fight under Arum was Zab Judah.

[Guru_Too_You]

I honestly don't give a fuck as to your motives.

As for your sources, they're not credible. In other words, they mean nothing.

:good

[Guru_Too_You]

Margarito hadn't publicly called out PBF before that, but he had made an offer for something like 6 million (may have been 4 million) before PBF took the Mitchell bout.

I know this because I was arguing with Carlito who said PBF was a punk for fighting Hatton cuz he was not at 147. I showed him an article where Arum states that he offered PBF a fight with Margarito when PBF was still at 140 and trying to get Hatton in the ring, but also thinking of moving to WW. He chose Mitchell....but the point of that thread was that Carlito (who was a huge Margo fan) was being a hypocrite because he didn't have a problem with Margarito calling out PBF while he was still at 140, but didn't like PBF calling out Hatton who at least has already fought at 147 once and won a belt there.
Fair enough. I guess Arum would know what Mayweather had on the table at that time!!!

[Marnoff]

I hope to mother dies and if she's dead I'm happy. And when she dies you will always remember me.

Sure?

[Marnoff]

I said 'your', read it again.

Stay on topic, find more evidence to use against Floyd. Things said in forums don't count.

[PATSYS]

Why are you defending Floyd?

Who gives a fuck about this shit?

Exactly. :good

One thing is for sure, PBF's stint at 140 lbs was absolute garbage.:tong

[Marnoff]

OK, three people who don't know eachother made up this lie about Floyd's 147 debut being against Mitchell or Casamayor. Tell yourself whatever you have to make yourself feel good.

It's sad that you actually believe you've provided real evidence.

[Guru_Too_You]

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Read number 6 from jrosales13: "at 130 he didnt want to fight casamayor went both was at that weight class he also refused to fight him at 147 instead he fought sharmba mitchell".


Now that's 4 people saying the same thing, but I suppose all of us are lying right?

"Mayweather tried to fight god and god ducked him." -Jesus Christ

Would you ever use that as evidence in another forum?

[Ramshall1]

Margarito offered Fraud 8 mil and free agnecy to fight him. . .. Goosen offered him 8 mil and no free agency for the baldy fight. . . FMJ had to pay Goosen a cut of his next fight (DLH) - thats why Goosen overpaid for the Baldy fight.

The money he paid Goosen from the DLH purse was the price he was willing to pay to DUCK Margarito. . . he's a ducker plain and simple and in my book that makes him a coward. :good

[C Money]

There's been another thread circulating the past few days about the supposed "ducking" that Mayweather has done in his career, and I find it quite laughable. I don't know if the individuals (C MONEY) who are Mayweather detractors were even fans of the sport at the time, for I have no idea why they can't remember how things went down throughout Floyd's career, especially the younger years.


Regarding Spadafora C Money, since you seem to have a hard on over that one, while Mayweather was beating the universally recognized man at 135 in Jose Luis Castillo, Spadafora was squeaking by Angel Manfredy, of whom Mayweather had stopped in the second round a year or two before.

Spadafora then went on to fight the amazing Dennis Pedersen in November, while Mayweather was proving his detractors wrong by rematching Jose Luis Castillo.

Spadafora agreed to fight Dorin before Mayweather agreed to fight Sosa. The same Sosa that many members of the media felt was jobbed against Spadafora, when Spadafora hit the canvas twice against Sosa. Spadafora decided to vacate the division following this bout, citing weight problems for his draw against Dorin. And who was the first person that Mayweather challenged when he wanted to move up to 140 after the N'Dou bout? You guessed it, Paul Spadafora. And it wasnt a guarantee that the commission would not agree to sanction the Mayweather-Spadafora bout. You like to spew garbage without knowing the facts. A quick google of the annual ring rankings at lightweight for 2003 will show that Spadafora was unranked, having vacated the division after being ranked behind Castillo and Stevie Johnston the prior two years.

Spadafora agreed to the challenge in February of 2004 before the bout was shot down by the proposed sanctioning body.

Get your facts straight.

And before you go talking up Stevie Johnston, you have to remember that he looked less than stellar in his fights following the Castillo bouts, and by the time that Floyd and Jose Luis were finished doing their thing, Johnston was sparked out by Juan Lazcano.


:lol:

You have you're facts straight???:rofl


Please, YOOHOO, I gave you the timeline which is factually TRUE!!!

Spadafora dogged him in the gym in December 99 and floyd refused to consider any offers UNTIL Spadafora hit REHAB after Dorin in 2003. Got news 4 ya, i was around when the offer came in, just days after Spat entered rehab. Spadafora had the IBF 135 title from 9/99 Until mid 2003.

The fight fell through because the "neutral" site which was to be in New York wouldnt license the event based on Spadafora's legal troubles. Floyds original offer was to have the bout take place in GRAND RAPIDS.

This post of your's is quite possibly the weakest bunch of shit I've heard yet. You call that factual??:rofl STFU!!!


BTW, who did Floyd fight after Castillo?? SOSA?? The same guy Spadafora beat in 2000:yep Sorry, genius, that wasnt a questioned win:nono Yes Spadafora was down but he showed the heart of a champion, got up and WON THE DAMN FIGHT!!!!

How come Floyd waited 2 and 1/2 years and for REHAB to make an offer??

The best part of you're shit is Floyd moving to 40 and challenging Spadafora:lol: :lol: What, was floyd gonna go to jail and fight him??:rofl :rofl

You get you're "facts" straight and keep yanking you're weasel:good
Get that clown ass response outta here:hi:

[Thom]

So you think me, him and the another guy are lying? That's three people who said Floyd's debut at 147 was down to two opponents, Casamayor and Mitchell. Why would we make that that up?

:D:rofl:D:rofl:D

This is the MOST IDIOTIC fucking series of posts that I've ever read on this forum, and that's saying a lot. Nice "evidence" bro. :lol:

[Thread Stealer]

Casamayor is a southpaw too so that one doesn't work.

I know Casa's a lefty.. I said Mitchell was a welterweight southpaw, like Judah, and also a safe fight for Mayweather. Guys take safe fights here and there. That's just the way it is.

Fights don't always materialize. That's a fact shown throughout history. Just because it doesn't materialize it doesn't mean someone was ducking.

[Ramshall1]

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Its clear that Casa was a much more worthy opponant at the time. . . another case of Fraud choosing the path of least resistance - whats new.

[Thread Stealer]

If you don't believe after the proof I posted, and Casamayor and Floyd being linked in the past that Floyd didn't duck Cass, there's nothing more I can say. Taking a safe fight rather than taking on someone who has been calling you out for years is the definition of ducking. :hi:

I don't think Casamayor at 147 is much of a risk either.

[Illmatic]

ownage...complete and thorough

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You said "Sharmba was new to welterweight" before and now you're saying he's a welterweight. Well Casamayor would've been new to welterweight too, so if you're calling Sharba a welter you gotta call Cassy a welter too.


Casamayor weighed 131 for his last fight at the time around 2005, and was fighting at 130 and 135 for basically his whole career. Mitchell had been at 140 for about a decade, and had fought at WW before. I said it was "new" meaning he was fighting at an elite level at 140 for awhile, although he had fought at 147 before in the past, like how many guys weigh a lot more for the lesser fights, but move down when it comes to fighting at a higher level.

I don't really think Casamayor at 147 or a 2005 version of Mitchell was much of a threat, honestly.

[C Money]

ownage...complete and thorough

Of what??:huh

He nor you have provided any factual basis against the truth in the case of Spadafora. In fact Yoohoo just made more of a clown of himself with his half-ass "search" that turns up crap.

[Thread Stealer]

Do you think Floyd would've KO'd him or beaten him as easily as Mitchell?


Don't know. I don't really think much of Mayweather's win over faded Mitchell and if he had beaten Casamayor at 147, I wouldn't have thought much of it either.


You're turning this into a whole new topic though as I have already proved my point.

Btw, Cass has come into fights at 145.

When?

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I really don't know why you people don't believe things without seeing proof but here it is AGAIN

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I'm talking about the official weigh-in, the day before the fight.

Not a special weigh-in for the likes of Chico and Castillo who can't make weight.

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OMG, That's what he weighed on fight night. How could he weigh 145 for a lightweight fight. I assumed you meant how much he weighs on fight night.

I was referring to the offical weigh-in. If it was fight day weight, then you'd have all kinds of guys weighing in at crazy amounts.

[C Money]

Don't know about Spaddy, but Casamayor has been proven.

Search the forum for "Spadafora vs Mayweather EXclusive Video" thread and you'll find not only the video but the timeline of events.

It has the groupies panties twisted so tight, that yoohoo started this thread in a pathetically weak attempt at discrediting it.

In that same thread, i advocate that Floyd should have faced Casa at 130. Since the same groupies act as if Floyd ruled 30 in supreme fashion and left no challengers. Something which is clearly bullshit. Floyd has avoided, ducked, or not faced certain opposition in every weight class.

In truth, I believe Casa was relevant at 30 rather than 47 and believe Floyd had more advantage at that point. Clearly Mitchell was a bs opponent and it was the excuse to quickly move to 47 while clamoring for Judah and DLH, instead of waiting it out at 140 UNTIL HATTONS CONTRACT WITH FRANK ****** EXPIRED!!! Which was the real reason that Team hatton turned down Floyds "offers" at 40. When that was up? Gee Floyds already at 47. Team hatton then got the HBO deal and figured 3 fights would build the fight and adjust Hatton to 47.

ALL in all, at least that fight is finally happening, though it truly should have happened at 40.

[C Money]

While you are correct RobBaseHead I still don't think Floyd ducked Joel. I think he just looked at it like a high risk low reward type deal. I think Floyd would have wether fought a guy who has fought at welter before instead of fighting Joel at that weight. But 140 or 135 would have been a good fight when Floyd campaigned at that weight.

Ask yourself why floyds never unified at any weight???

Hey, maybe Floyds superman with gloves, but the proof is in the pudding. I hope that he reverses the trend at 47.

Floyd left casa and Freitas on the table at 130. Either man would have been a better opponent than Hernandez in the last fight of a fourteen year career:yep Not that Hernandez was a bad opponent, it was for the lineal title, but clearly, PBF, Corrales, Casamayor, and Freitas all had belts at 30 at the same time. Floyd actually went back down to 30 to catch Corrales when he was having issues and facing incarceration.

[Toopretty]

I just think that Floyd didnt literally duck guys. I mean in a fight it aint always up to the fighters as we all know..Floyds camp goes for biggest money lowest risk since floyd became a p4p fighter. I mean when floyd fought a bum like gatti and made it to a headline ppv he realized the money is not with the quality of fighter but with the quality of the name. If you noticed floyd only goes after big names..ODH is the biggest name in the sport and has made many boxers rich. Though floyd did not fight CASA he did not take it light at 130. All of the guys he fought there were top guys and contenders..And to my boy and lawyer if I ever get locked up Cmoney. I just think Floyd is not a scared fighter..He has been in the ring and against fighters who were legit threats and he never showed any fear. Thats the only reason I cant get down with the ducking..Spaddy whooped floyd in sparring and it probably hurt his ego as you said he thought he could just jump in there and whoop him. But in a real fight I dont think Spaddy would win but he would not be a lame duck.

[C Money]

I agree I hope he reverses the trend too but I don't think it will happen though. You see at 47 you got a guy like Paul williams who is a stylistic nightmare for Floyd and fighting guys like Cintron might be a high risk low reward type deal as well. I like Floyd as a fighter and all some solid points has been made by both sides.


My favorite example is SRL vs Thomas Hearns, beating the best makes you're legend REAL!!!!!

Talking risk/reward, stylistic issues, etc?? Well thats more cherry picking and is what Floyds always done.

Many of the Clowns(not lumping you in that group) dislike my criticism of Floyd, yet I've always maintained that if PBF turns it around and beats the best at 47?? I'll give him his proper respect. That takes proof, not speculation:good

[pipe wrenched]

A post of mine from the other thread.

"Casamayor had been calling out Floyd even before he fought Freitas, in a post fight interview Floyd said he'd like to fight Casamayor, but it never happened. At 140 it was down to two opponents for Floyd, Cass and Mitchell and Floyd chose to fight the worn out Mitchell instead of Cassy".

Re-watch the Chop-chop Corley fight during which Lampley, Merchant, and Steward were calling for Floyd to fight Mitchell next, and Steward said he felt strongly that Mitchell would have Floyd's number. They were all saying they wanted PBF vs Mitchell to go down.:good

[codeman99998]

Someone earlier (I'm not going to bother going back to quote it) said Mayweather's stint at 140 was absolute garbage and they are right. The thing is, so was Hatton's and Cotto's.

Honestly, the fact that the three of them never fought each other at 140 is a discredit to all of them. Hell, Hatton is on the record saying that he is "not READY for Mayweather".

[C Money]

I just think that Floyd didnt literally duck guys. I mean in a fight it aint always up to the fighters as we all know..Floyds camp goes for biggest money lowest risk since floyd became a p4p fighter. I mean when floyd fought a bum like gatti and made it to a headline ppv he realized the money is not with the quality of fighter but with the quality of the name. If you noticed floyd only goes after big names..ODH is the biggest name in the sport and has made many boxers rich. Though floyd did not fight CASA he did not take it light at 130. All of the guys he fought there were top guys and contenders..And to my boy and lawyer if I ever get locked up Cmoney. I just think Floyd is not a scared fighter..He has been in the ring and against fighters who were legit threats and he never showed any fear. Thats the only reason I cant get down with the ducking..Spaddy whooped floyd in sparring and it probably hurt his ego as you said he thought he could just jump in there and whoop him. But in a real fight I dont think Spaddy would win but he would not be a lame duck.

Too Pretty, if Floyd lays it down at 47 and beats the best and stops talking about risk/reward, this, that, and every other thing? We'll be on the same side!! I'll respect Floyd when the results are in!!!

Until then?? Based on the events and circumstances, I'm forced to be the skeptic.

[Ramshall1]

So what

Tony chose to fight the unranked Manuel Gomez instead of Mayweather

When Zab lost to Baldomir..Floyd offered Margo a shot..but..his camp claimed they couldn't break their date with the unranked WASHED-UP Gomez..

Who lets a guy like Gomez get in the way of a dream fight?

Arum never intended to let margo anywhere near FMJ:deal

Margarito was already training for Gomez' style, Frauds is a totally different style. . . Ifv Fraud really wanted to fight Margarito he would not have left money on the table to avoid him. :deal

[C Money]

Well Cmoney I see what you mean. Like I said I like Floyd and all but when it comes down to GOAT status then yea regardless of styles you got to fight the best in your division to be considered. If he cleans out 147 (which I think he is more than capable of doing) Then yea Floyd will cement his legacy.


The best have always sought out the best, TO PROVE THEMSELVES.
No less should be expected of Floyd.

I question whether he can clean out 47 as Cotto, SSM, and Williams all have a solid chance of beating Mayweather. Yet, that's what makes it great and would allow Floyd TO EARN HIS STRIPES:good

[Ramshall1]

Margarito offered Fraud 8 mil and free agnecy to fight him. . .. Goosen offered him 8 mil and no free agency for the baldy fight. . . FMJ had to pay Goosen a cut of his next fight (DLH) - thats why Goosen overpaid for the Baldy fight.

The money he paid Goosen from the DLH purse was the price he was willing to pay to DUCK Margarito. . . he's a ducker plain and simple.

[Toopretty]

Someone earlier (I'm not going to bother going back to quote it) said Mayweather's stint at 140 was absolute garbage and they are right. The thing is, so was Hatton's and Cotto's.

Honestly, the fact that the three of them never fought each other at 140 is a discredit to all of them. Hell, Hatton is on the record saying that he is "not READY for Mayweather".


To quote Hatton correctly..he said "I am not ready for the likes of mayweather" You know you got to add the UK influence to it.:good

[codeman99998]

To quote Hatton correctly..he said "I am not ready for the likes of mayweather" You know you got to add the UK influence to it.:good

Of course, I stand corrected.

[Thread Stealer]

Dawg, I said "Casamayor comes into fights at 145". How can you confuse that with me meaning that's what he weighed on the weigh in? And you said "when"? I provided the link and now you say you were refering to official weigh-ins. He only fought at 130 and 135 so it's assumed he'll weigh that or a bit under. No asks that question unless it's about heavy weights... chill with the bullshit.

I know, I didn't read it (think) carefully enough. I don't know why you would even bring up his weight on fight night anyway, it's irrelevant.

[C Money]

To quote Hatton correctly..he said "I am not ready for the likes of mayweather" You know you got to add the UK influence to it.:good

Well consider the timing of that statement. It came while under CONTRACT WITH ******!!

Frank ****** believed to th very end that Hatton was resigning with him, Team hatton wasnt tipping their hand and wasnt about to let ****** take an excessive amount of the pie:nono

When the contract was up Floyd was already at 47 and then HBO made the 3 fight deal to build exposure and adjust Hatton to the weight, We all know Collazo didnt go as smoothly as planned and what transpired from that point.

Hatton wasnt scared, he was doing his own version of business:good

Had Floyd stayed at 40 until say January 2006 and then called out Ricky and he said he wasnt ready? Then you guy's could use that conjecture.


Either way, the fight is now happening, though it should be at 40, at least its HAPPENING FINALLY:yep

[Marnoff]

Floyd actually went back down to 30 to catch Corrales when he was having issues and facing incarceration.

Hmm, I keep seeing you insulting Floyd for fighting people who have had documents problems outside of the ring. Just wondering... does it ever count if you beat someone who has had problems? It's an honest question, since everyone has problems... so where do you personally draw the line and say, "Alright, the win counts."

[C Money]

Hmm, I keep seeing you insulting Floyd for fighting people who have had documents problems outside of the ring. Just wondering... does it ever count if you beat someone who has had problems? It's an honest question, since everyone has problems... so where do you personally draw the line and say, "Alright, the win counts."

I never said it didnt count. Do you not find it a little odd when Floyd makes offers that COINCIDE with people having problems?? Corrales and Spadafora were timed when neither man was at his best. In the case of Spadafora it was totally pathetic!! He hits rehab and the offer rolled in less than 72 hours later??? After talking shit and downplaying it for 3 years??:-(

The opportunity exists to fight quality opponents, that arent in rehab or going to jail at 147, and he could UNIFY!!

All of that would be far more respectable and if it happens? I'll give floyd the proper respect for PROVING HIMSELF.

[Ramshall1]

To even suggest the Mitchell that fought Floyd is more dangerous or more worthy of the fight than Casamayor is just plain dumb.

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Cuz it proves he can fight effectively at 147, he gave Corrales a boxing lesson that night. You said you wouldn't be impressed if Floyd beat Casamayor at 147, (I don't really believe you think that) even though it would've been Floyd's first fight at 147 too and no one has yet to beat Joel clearly. It would've surely been a much bigger win than Sharmba and one of Floyd's top wins, IF he woulda won... it would've gone the distance at least.

I'm not referring at all to day-of-the-fight weights. I'm talking about official weights, taken 30-32 hours before the fight.

[Thread Stealer]

And??? There are lightweights who weigh 136 on fight night, Joel goes up to 145, that means he's a big LW who wouldn't be out of his league at 147. My point is valid.

It doesn't mean he'd be effective @ 147. Guys who put on that much weight are common nowadays in boxing.

De La Hoya for instance, weighed over 160 on fight night in the rematch with Chavez. Was he good at MW, or could he be above MW? Gatti weighed 160 unofficially on fight night for a contracted 141. lb fight, and unofficially around 145-150 in his 130-135 lb. fights. Corrales weighed unofficially 146 for a junior lightweight fight. Hatton has weight over the WW limit on fight nights for 140 lb. title fights.

How good do you think Carlos Baldomir would be at middlweight or above?

[bigtime9]

The best have always sought out the best, TO PROVE THEMSELVES.
No less should be expected of Floyd.



are you implying floyd has not fought the best fighters:rofl here we go again with this bullshit:deal

130- genaro hernandez ring/lineal wbc champ
135- jose luis castillo #1 (#@1) ranked by ring/lineal wbc champ
140- Arturo gatti #1 ranked by ring wbc champ
147- Carlos Baldomir Ring /lineal/wbc champ
154- Oscar De La hoya #3 ranked by ring wbc champ

are you trying to revise history and say these fighters were not recognized as the best of their division when floyd beat them:smoke

cassa had his chance at greatness and failed evrytime he was supposed to win a big fight. he only became ring champ at 135 after diego couldn't make weight anymore.

cassa lost the big fight with freitas, and lost to castillo in 2004 why the fuck would floyd fight a guy who loses to a fighter he already beat.:nut

floyd fighting casa in 2005 would have been like pacman fighting rocky juarez after barrera beat him. the shit don't wash no matter how you revisionist's rub and scrub.

cassa is nothing special and is an above average fighter who has won titles in 2 weightclasses he has never been the man at any weightclass that floyd was in. Maybe if cass had beaten freitas and castillo you revisionist's would have a case but he didin't so how could floyd duck someone like that.



I question whether he can clean out 47 as Cotto, SSM, and Williams all have a solid chance of beating Mayweather. Yet, that's what makes it great and would allow Floyd TO EARN HIS STRIPES


did duran clean out middleweight, what about ray at 168:deal understand perspective.

[kg0208]

why the fuck would floyd fight a guy who loses to a fighter he already beat.:nut

I dunno...why did he fight Gatti after Manfredy beat him (PBF beat Manfredy right)

Why did he fight Carlos Hernandaz after Genaro Hernandez already beat him (PBF beat Genaro right?)

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[KO Boxing]

:lol: :patsch

You know what? You guys can live in your little dream world, sitting up on your high stools, bagging out BigTime and PacDBest, when CLEARLY some of the worst and most irrational posters are in this thread.

Floyd DUCKED Casa at 147 to fight his tune-up Mitchell? WHAT?! :rofl And I won't even start with Spada, Mr. I got schooled by Leonard Dorin who got fucked up by Gatti in 2 who got more destroyed by Floyd than any other fighter who's destroyed Gatti in history (which is quite a few).

Re-Read the first 2 posts. CLOSE THREAD... And Owned.

:hi:

[kg0208]

:lol: :patsch

You know what? You guys can live in your little dream world, sitting up on your high stools, bagging out BigTime and PacDBest, when CLEARLY some of the worst and most irrational posters are in this thread.

Floyd DUCKED Casa at 147 to fight his tune-up Mitchell? WHAT?! :rofl And I won't even start with Spada, Mr. I got schooled by Leonard Dorin who got fucked up by Gatti in 2 who got more destroyed by Floyd than any other fighter who's destroyed Gatti in history (which is quite a few).

Re-Read the first 2 posts. CLOSE THREAD... And Owned.

:hi:

Bigtime and PacD get bagged on because they won't admit their wrong when they are and simply change the subject or criteria and then insult you. If they would admit they were wrong, they wouldn't get the flack they do.

If they want to have divisive views fine. But they shouldn't change facts to suit their purpose.

[bigtime9]

What you're forgetting is that there are many people who think Casamayor has never lost a fight and all his losses were SD's (if you don't count the b.s. decductions aginst Freitas) if Floyd were to beat Cass convincingly it would've been a tremendous feather under his cap.

I disagree, look at cassa historically as compared to diego corrales. from 2002-2005 cassa did not distinguish himself as the best fighter from 130-135. he lost the corrales rematch lost the unification fight with freitas, and lost in 2004 to castillo. you and I can scream robbery all day but the fact remains he lost all of these fights.

you could make a case for cassa if he had won his big fights. you also have to look at cassa's age why would floyd fight a blown up 135lber in his first fight at 147. there was no ducking going on just plain common sense.


And regardless, he would've posed a way bigger threat to Floyd than the pathectic display Sharba put up.

how so:huh have you seen cassa fight before. who has more kos sharmba or cassa.

Floyd knew this so he picked Sharmba. And we're not talking about Casa at 130 (even though Cass was calling Floyd out BEFORE he fought Freitas) we're talking about Floyd choosing to fight Sharmba instead of Cass at 147 when it was down to those two.

once again cassa was at 135 shamrba was at 147 why would floyd call out a 135lber for his first fight at 147. how the fuck does that make sense in your mind:blood

[bigtime9]

I dunno...why did he fight Gatti after Manfredy beat him (PBF beat Manfredy right)


because gatti was ranked #1 by ring and was the wbc champ..that is a fact:deal

Why did he fight Carlos Hernandaz after Genaro Hernandez already beat him (PBF beat Genaro right?)


carlos earned his spot to fight for the championship again, what did cassa do to earn his shot at floyd...you're one stupid fuck aren't you:beat

[kg0208]

because gatti was ranked #1 by ring and was the wbc champ..that is a fact:deal



carlos earned his spot to fight for the championship again, what did cassa do to earn his shot at floyd...you're one stupid fuck aren't you:beat
Then you have the answer to this question.

why the fuck would floyd fight a guy who loses to a fighter he already beat.:nut
So I guess he could have fought Casamayor regardless of whether or not he lost to Castillo and Corrales. Easy enough.

[bigtime9]

Bigtime and PacD get bagged on because they won't admit their wrong when they are and simply change the subject or criteria and then insult you. If they would admit they were wrong, they wouldn't get the flack they do.

If they want to have divisive views fine. But they shouldn't change facts to suit their purpose.

you lame ass bitch:hey you have yet to prove me wrong in any discussion that relates to floyd. the facts speak for themselves. floyd beaing the best of his generation is not divisive it's a fact.

that's why I make you my bitch so often you're too busy trying to conform to others views. I am not a lightweight like pacdbest you come at me with your tired ass bullshit you better have some facts to back it up:deal

[KO Boxing]

Bigtime and PacD get bagged on because they won't admit their wrong when they are and simply change the subject or criteria and then insult you. If they would admit they were wrong, they wouldn't get the flack they do.

If they want to have divisive views fine. But they shouldn't change facts to suit their purpose.
Others on here have done the same. IMO, in some instances, it's even worse. Have you read all the pages in this thread? It's worse than ANY Pac thread I've seen, at least for a while (and right now, I'm doing my best to stay away from Pac threads).

Some guys are even trying to use OTHER forum posters as evidence... :huh

[kg0208]

you lame ass bitch:hey you have yet to prove me wrong in any discussion that relates to floyd. the facts speak for themselves. floyd beaing the best of his generation is not divisive it's a fact.

that's why I make you my bitch so often you're too busy trying to conform to others views. I am not a lightweight like pacdbest you come at me with your tired ass bullshit you better have some facts to back it up:deal

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

I just did in case you didn't notice. Or were you asking why PBF would fight a guy who has lost to a guy he already beat because you already knew?

[bigtime9]

Then you have the answer to this question.


wrong again, cassa was not ranked by the ring at 140 or 147 so why would floyd fight a blown up 135lber for his first fight at 147. you're comment did not answer this question.

using gatti and hernandez as an analogy is stupid since floyd fought in the same division as gatti and hernandez when he was at those weights.

[kg0208]

Others on here have done the same. IMO, in some instances, it's even worse. Have you read all the pages in this thread? It's worse than ANY Pac thread I've seen, at least for a while (and right now, I'm doing my best to stay away from Pac threads).

Some guys are even trying to use OTHER forum posters as evidence... :huh

Yah, thats a little off using other forum posters as evidence.

But as far as Bigtime and PacD go, look at what he just did. He made obvious derogatory remarks insinuatiing that PBF wouldn't fight a fighter who already lost to a fighter he beat already and that it was somehow bad. It's pointed out to him that PBF already did that, and instead of saying "Oh OK" he gives excuses for those fights either not realizing that it proves that his insinuation is wrong, or just choosing to ignore it.

Thats why he gets bagged on. PacDbest is the same.

[kg0208]

wrong again, cassa was not ranked by the ring at 140 or 147 so why would floyd fight a blown up 135lber for his first fight at 147. you're comment did not answer this question.

using gatti and hernandez as an analogy is stupid since floyd fought in the same division as gatti and hernandez when he was at those weights.
Doesn't matter Bigtime. Adding on caveats now will not erase what you said. Next time do research before making it sound like PBF would never do this. BTW, he could have fought Casamayor long before then....that is also mentioned in this thread, and thus what I was asserting.

[bigtime9]

Or were you asking why PBF would fight a guy who has lost to a guy he already beat because you already knew?

once again bitch made why would floyd fight a blown up 135lber for his first fight at 147:deal

don't worry I'll wait:deal

[kg0208]

once again bitch made why would floyd fight a blown up 135lber for his first fight at 147:deal

don't worry I'll wait:deal
Keep waiting cuz thats not relevant and it's not what I quoted you saying.

The whole thing is unimportant to me....keep posting if you think it will help your case. I already made my point.

[bigtime9]

Doesn't matter Bigtime.

it doesn't matter because you've lost another argument based purely on facts, not conjecture, or hyperbole:hey

Adding on caveats now will not erase what you said. Next time do research before making it sound like PBF would never do this.

my post stands on the facts.. manfredy beat gatti back in 98. 7 years later who was #1 ranked by ring at 140 and had the wbc belt was it cassa, manfredy or gatti.

you're getting too easy, like a bitch with a busted pussy, you just keep begging for more:rofl

[KO Boxing]

When it's down to two people and you chose to fight the lesser guy rather than the more dangerous one that ben calling you out for years, it's called ducking. And I'll say it again, no one would say Floyd ducked Mitchell if he chose to fight Casamayor.
And your the only one I've heard him say he ducked Casa...

[kg0208]

And your the only one I've heard him say he ducked Casa...

It's been said before....Casa has always been considered a fighter PBF should have fought. Not sure about at 147, but I have certainly heard he should have fought him or Freitas at 130, or fought him at 135.

[bigtime9]

Number 1 - Sharmba wasn't at Welter, it was his first fight there too. So you're wrong there.


no you're wrong sharmba had fought at welter before:deal he fought chris smith for the naba welter title before he fought floyd

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Number 2 - It doesn't matter if Sharmba had more KO's than Cass, guys like Floyd and Casamayor don't get KO'd (Sharmba does though), you'll have to beat them on points.


the fact remains floyd vs a 135lber who has never fought at 147 would not have made sense.:thumbsup


Number 3 - They both started at 130 so they would both be "blown up" if you chose to use that term with a big LW who comes in on fight night at 145.


you're starting to sound like you have an agenda. common sense says if floyd started at 130 and is fighting bigger guys at 147 why isn't cassa doing the same. why is he 35 and still at lightweight:deal floyd has fought as high as 154 what about cassa.


Number 4 - I already said if Floyd won clearly he'd be the first one to do it to Joel. That is something that Castillo, Corrales and Freitas couldn't do, it would've been a big accomplishment and something you would be certainly prasing him for.


no I wouldn't, let's get one thing straight. You are on thin ice and it's about to break:smoke cassa is not nor has he ever been on floyd's level not now not ever. so no cassa would have been a big win if he had distinguished himself as the best by beating the best. something cassa could not do:deal


Number 5 - You said if Cass had won his big fights you could make a case, what big fights did Sharmba win? At least Cass didn't LOSE his last fight (by KO nonetheless)

at least sharmba was at 147 not 135:deal

[bigtime9]

Then you haven't been around for long. Did you read this


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When you chose to fight the lesser of two men when it's down to only them it's called ducking. Especially when the better guy has been calling you out for years.

you don't prepare to fight welterweights by fighting lightweights.:deal

[bigtime9]

147 is the clearest time when he should've fought Joel, cuz it was down to only him and Mitchell. Why fight the shot Mitchell when you could've made history if you were the first guy to clearly beat Casamayor?

casamayor has been beaten before that is all that matters. once again what did cassa accomplish in the ring that would make floyd stand up and take notice, or for that matter boxing writers:deal

[KO Boxing]

When you chose to fight the lesser of two men when it's down to only them it's called ducking.
Not neccessarily so. If a 130 pounder called out Floyd (say Pac), and a 147 pounder that wasn't as good also called him out, of course it's not ducking if Floyd chooses to fight the 147 pounder over the 130 pounder (Pac).

And as this was a non-title fight, I don't think the final two fights were down to Mitchell and Casa, considering he had a few champions to also choose from.

Casa was still 135, let alone 140... Do you think he's the first person that has called out Floyd and not got a fight? I suppose everyone that has called out Floyd and not gotten the fight, has been ducked, right? Even if said fighter was say, Reggie Strickland...

IMO, that criteria sucks.

[kg0208]

147 is the clearest time when he should've fought Joel, cuz it was down to only him and Mitchell. Why fight the shot Mitchell when you could've made history if you were the first guy to clearly beat Casamayor?

Well Mitchell was a little bigger and perhaps PBF was preparing himself for punches from WW since Mitchell hit a little harder.

I would rather have seen him fight Casamayor at 130 or 135. He only lost by controversial decisions so he was still a big name at those weights whether he had lost or not. He could have fought Casamayor before he fought Freitas to unify the titles.

[kg0208]

casamayor has been beaten before that is all that matters. once again what did cassa accomplish in the ring that would make floyd stand up and take notice, or for that matter boxing writers:deal

He was the WBA SFW champion for nearly 2 years. He could have fought him then.

If Casamayor losing is all that matters, then PBF has alot of explaining to do since he has fought a ton of fighters with losses.

[bigtime9]

I would rather have seen him fight Casamayor at 130 or 135. He only lost by controversial decisions so he was still a big name at those weights whether he had lost or not. He could have fought Casamayor before he fought Freitas to unify the titles.

are you saying cassa could have beaten floyd at 130 or 135. are you implying he had a chance to beat floyd over and above castillo and corrales:lol:

[KO Boxing]

are you saying cassa could have beaten floyd at 130 or 135. are you implying he had a chance to beat floyd over and above castillo and corrales:lol:
While my answer is no, it would have looked better on his resume than either Sosa or N'Dou, or even replace him with a defence at super feather (which would have been a unifaction fight)... Definately looked good on Floyd's resume.

Does this mean he DUCKED him? :lol: :patsch

[Marnoff]

I never said it didnt count. Do you not find it a little odd when Floyd makes offers that COINCIDE with people having problems?? Corrales and Spadafora were timed when neither man was at his best. In the case of Spadafora it was totally pathetic!! He hits rehab and the offer rolled in less than 72 hours later??? After talking shit and downplaying it for 3 years??:-(

Everyone has problems. Fighters fight regularly with injuries, some small, some big. That's part of the fight game. Floyd has brittle hands, and has fought through fights with them injured. It's impossible to find someone with no problems, so of course Floyd has fought people with problems.

[kg0208]

are you saying cassa could have beaten floyd at 130 or 135. are you implying he had a chance to beat floyd over and above castillo and corrales:lol:
I am implying that he had a shot to beat PBF. But that doesn't matter. It's not relevant. What is relevant is that he did do something at 130 and 135, more than many of the fighters PBF fought at those weights. So saying "What did he do" would be answered with, "What did Carlos Hernandez do?". He fought Hernandez before Casa lost to Freitas. Certainly being WBA champion and unbeaten is better than anything Hernandez had done to that point.

I haven't said he ducked him, but he certainly COULD have and perhaps SHOULD have fought him instead of the fighters he did fight.

[Marnoff]

Well consider the timing of that statement. It came while under CONTRACT WITH ******!!

Frank ****** believed to th very end that Hatton was resigning with him, Team hatton wasnt tipping their hand and wasnt about to let ****** take an excessive amount of the pie:nono

When the contract was up Floyd was already at 47 and then HBO made the 3 fight deal to build exposure and adjust Hatton to the weight, We all know Collazo didnt go as smoothly as planned and what transpired from that point.

Hatton wasnt scared, he was doing his own version of business:good

Had Floyd stayed at 40 until say January 2006 and then called out Ricky and he said he wasnt ready? Then you guy's could use that conjecture.


Either way, the fight is now happening, though it should be at 40, at least its HAPPENING FINALLY:yep

So Floyd is guilty for Hatton's business deals?

[Ramshall1]

Floyds a ducker.

[kg0208]

Floyds a ducker.

Opposite extreme.

[fatdrunkenslob]

Margarito offered Fraud 8 mil and free agnecy to fight him. . .. Goosen offered him 8 mil and no free agency for the baldy fight. . . FMJ had to pay Goosen a cut of his next fight (DLH) - thats why Goosen overpaid for the Baldy fight.

The money he paid Goosen from the DLH purse was the price he was willing to pay to DUCK Margarito. . . he's a ducker plain and simple.

It's all true but in the end I do know if his great fear could be justified. He should have just taken on his demons and faced him to silence the critics as well as any self-doubt he may have had.

[Marnoff]

147 is the clearest time when he should've fought Joel, cuz it was down to only him and Mitchell. Why fight the shot Mitchell when you could've made history if you were the first guy to clearly beat Casamayor?

If Floyd beat Casamayor at Welterweight, he'd take more heat than he does for not fighting him. It would be thrown in the garbage, saying Floyd handles the weight better than Casamayor and that Floyd is in fact a coward for waiting to get him out of his proper weight class. It's pathetic, but it's what would have happened. There's always a way to find fault if you're an idiot and try hard enough.

[Marnoff]

1. OK he fought at welter for 5 rounds, but he was still relatively new there. But yeah he did fight at WW... sorry I don't use boxrec.

2. Did you not see when people talk about Floyd they ALWAYS say Spinks and Casamayor had the style to give him the most problems?

You are saying I'm on thin ice? You are a joke on this site, everyone makes fun of you here. You are grouped with those pac guys.

1. That's your problem if you don't do research. It just shows the lack of effort you bring to your arguments and makes you not worth debating with, since you really don't back yourself with facts. Just mindless hearsay.

2. Develop your own opinion. Saying this sort of thing doesn't add to your case. Neither does linking forums as evidence.

[kg0208]

If Floyd beat Casamayor at Welterweight, he'd take more heat than he does not for not fighting him. It would be thrown in the garbage, saying Floyd handles the weight better than Casamayor and that Floyd is in fact a coward for waiting to get him out of his proper weight class. It's pathetic, but it's what would have happened. There's always a way to find fault if you're an idiot and try hard enough.

Well I am in the camp of he could and perhaps should have fought Casamayor at 130 when they were both title holders. Remember, PBF had 9 title defenses in between when he won his belt and Casamayor lost his to Freitas. It's easy to see why people say he should have fought him...he had opportunity and Casamayor was the WBA champion for all of that time period. Ring had Casamayor #2 behind PBF right before he vacated and Casamayor lost.

[Marnoff]

Well I am in the camp of he could and perhaps should have fought Casamayor at 130 when they were both title holders. Remember, PBF had 9 title defenses in between when he won his belt and Casamayor lost his to Freitas. It's easy to see why people say he should have fought him...he had opportunity and Casamayor was the WBA champion for all of that time period. Ring had Casamayor #2 behind PBF right before he vacated and Casamayor lost.

Sure, I'll agree he could have fought him there, but saying at 147lbs he should have chosen him over Mitchell really isn't valid based on the fact that Mitchell had already set foot in those waters and Casamayor had not.

Will you agree that Floyd's win would have been severely downplayed had he taken this fight at 147lbs?

[kg0208]

Sure, I'll agree he could have fought him there, but saying at 147lbs he should have chosen him over Mitchell really isn't valid based on the fact that Mitchell had already set foot in those waters and Casamayor had not.

Will you agree that Floyd's win would have been severely downplayed had he taken this fight at 147lbs?

Downplayed more than the Mitchell win? Hard to tell.....at that point, everyone was so focused on him not fighting Margarito, I don't think anything he did would have mattered.

Not sure how good Casa would look at 147. Of course, PBF has been fine, and Casamayor is a very good fighter.

[Marnoff]

This message is hidden because Marnoff is on your ignore list.

If this faggot is talking to me, please be advised I already told him a few pages back he was on my block list. So he knows I can't read his bullshit, and tear him down again.

Don't worry, it's clear to anyone following that you've not been gaining any ground.

[Marnoff]

Downplayed more than the Mitchell win? Hard to tell.....at that point, everyone was so focused on him not fighting Margarito, I don't think anything he did would have mattered.

Not sure how good Casa would look at 147. Of course, PBF has been fine, and Casamayor is a very good fighter.

That's possible.

[KO Boxing]

This message is hidden because Marnoff is on your ignore list.

If this faggot is talking to me, please be advised I already told him a few pages back he was on my block list. So he knows I can't read his bullshit, and tear him down again.
There's an ignore list? :yikes

Na, I knew that. I think it's a bit lame though.

[Fab2333]

Sorry Capfunds, but you have attacked PBF relentlessly before. So if you felt so obligated to attack, why cannot others feel just as obligated to defend? And for that matter, why does EITHER matter? It's a boxing board and the post is about boxing.:deal

[Marnoff]

There's an ignore list? :yikes

Na, I knew that. I think it's a bit lame though.

Easy way to avoid having to defend your points though. Useful tool for him.

[PATSYS]

Someone earlier (I'm not going to bother going back to quote it) said Mayweather's stint at 140 was absolute garbage and they are right. The thing is, so was Hatton's and Cotto's.

Honestly, the fact that the three of them never fought each other at 140 is a discredit to all of them. Hell, Hatton is on the record saying that he is "not READY for Mayweather".

What, are you fucking kidding me?

Hatton TKOed Tszyu when Tszyu was the undisputed champ at 140.

And Cotto...look it up yousrself, he fought a series of undefeated contenders at 140.

[PATSYS]

are you implying floyd has not fought the best fighters:rofl here we go again with this bullshit:deal

130- genaro hernandez ring/lineal wbc champ
135- jose luis castillo #1 (#@1) ranked by ring/lineal wbc champ
140- Arturo gatti #1 ranked by ring wbc champ
147- Carlos Baldomir Ring /lineal/wbc champ
154- Oscar De La hoya #3 ranked by ring wbc champ

are you trying to revise history and say these fighters were not recognized as the best of their division when floyd beat them:smoke

cassa had his chance at greatness and failed evrytime he was supposed to win a big fight. he only became ring champ at 135 after diego couldn't make weight anymore.

cassa lost the big fight with freitas, and lost to castillo in 2004 why the fuck would floyd fight a guy who loses to a fighter he already beat.:nut

floyd fighting casa in 2005 would have been like pacman fighting rocky juarez after barrera beat him. the shit don't wash no matter how you revisionist's rub and scrub.

cassa is nothing special and is an above average fighter who has won titles in 2 weightclasses he has never been the man at any weightclass that floyd was in. Maybe if cass had beaten freitas and castillo you revisionist's would have a case but he didin't so how could floyd duck someone like that.




did duran clean out middleweight, what about ray at 168:deal understand perspective.

Was Arturo Gatti really the #1 ranked by Ring at 140 when PBF fought him? I find that very hard to believe.

[Thread Stealer]

Was Arturo Gatti really the #1 ranked by Ring at 140 when PBF fought him? I find that very hard to believe.

I know. It seems hard to believe, but he actually was.

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[kg0208]

Was Arturo Gatti really the #1 ranked by Ring at 140 when PBF fought him? I find that very hard to believe.

Yup....he was. Hatton was the champ though so in actual rankings Gatti was #2.

[bigtime9]

Yup....he was. Hatton was the champ though so in actual rankings Gatti was #2.

wrong, the ring does not rank the champ. I mean think for a minute why would the champ be ranked:huh so there are no "kg0208 rankings" there is 1-10 and then the champ:deal

[kg0208]

wrong, the ring does not rank the champ. I mean think for a minute why would the champ be ranked:huh so there are no "kg0208 rankings" there is 1-10 and then the champ:deal
I didn't say Ring rankings....I said actual rankings, as in mathmatical.

The champion exists does he not? So if we were to put the fighters from top to bottom in each weight class, the champ would be at the top right? Hatton would be the best, followed by Gatti at the time.

Therefore in actuality, based on this, he was the #2 fighter in the division. Is PBF not the #1 WW in the world? Did you not answer that thread titled Who is the #1 WW with the answer PBF? It's not a shot at Gatti or PBF so you are just looking for a fight. Please feel free, as you will be the only participant. I don't fight people I know I can beat. You don't deserve that type of attention or effort.

You rank fighters all the time...so I can as well.

[bigtime9]

I am implying that he had a shot to beat PBF. But that doesn't matter. It's not relevant. What is relevant is that he did do something at 130 and 135, more than many of the fighters PBF fought at those weights.


I call bullshit:deal casamayor did not accomplish more then corrales at 130 or 135. and at 135 casamayor did not accomplish more then castillo.


So saying "What did he do" would be answered with, "What did Carlos Hernandez do?". He fought Hernandez before Casa lost to Freitas. Certainly being WBA champion and unbeaten is better than anything Hernandez had done to that point.


your argument falls flat because floyd already fought the top guys at 130 and 135. cassa did not distinguish himself like corrales and castillo did during that period.:deal


I haven't said he ducked him, but he certainly COULD have and perhaps SHOULD have fought him instead of the fighters he did fight.

I'm glad you know your place in this argument:deal

[bigtime9]

I didn't say Ring rankings....I said actual rankings, as in mathmatical.


1-10 is not math. are you implying that kg0208 is more mathematical then ring:deal the ring is an organization you are what again:blood


The champion exists does he not? So if we were to put the fighters from top to bottom in each weight class, the champ would be at the top right? Hatton would be the best, followed by Gatti at the time.


the champ is not a ranked contender. common sense tells you not to rank a champion.:-(


Therefore in actuality, based on this, he was the #2 fighter in the division.

based on kg0208 logic he is..baed on the ring he is #1 ranked:deal


Is PBF not the #1 WW in the world?

no he is the champ:tired

Did you not answer that thread titled Who is the #1 WW with the answer PBF? It's not a shot at Gatti or PBF so you are just looking for a fight. Please feel free, as you will be the only participant. I don't fight people I know I can beat. You don't deserve that type of attention or effort.


yeah, yeah, you tired of fucking up and me putting my foot in your ass:boxx

[kg0208]

I call bullshit:deal casamayor did not accomplish more then corrales at 130 or 135. and at 135 casamayor did not accomplish more then castillo.




your argument falls flat because floyd already fought the top guys at 130 and 135. cassa did not distinguish himself like corrales and castillo did during that period.:deal




I'm glad you know your place in this argument:deal

Nothing but opinion there.

Not worth debating since I already showed facts. When you have facts, come back and we can discuss.

[kg0208]

1-10 is not math. are you implying that kg0208 is more mathematical then ring:deal the ring is an organization you are what again:blood




the champ is not a ranked contender. common sense tells you not to rank a champion.:-(




based on kg0208 logic he is..baed on the ring he is #1 ranked:deal




no he is the champ:tired



yeah, yeah, you tired of fucking up and me putting my foot in your ass:boxx
Still didn't say anything. 1-10 isn't mathmatically correct? :lol::lol::lol:

The champ is the top fighter in the division, and common sense says the champ is #1 overall in that division. Just like in every other sport. You can cling to that if you like. Common sense prevails elsewhere.

[kg0208]

Next time someone makes a thread asking who the #1 WW in the world is, I expect that you will answer that Cotto is because he is ranked #1 by Ring. But you won't because you didn't a couple of days ago. You said PBF.

[bigtime9]

OK he fought at welter for 5 rounds, but he was still relatively new there. But yeah he did fight at WW... sorry I don't use boxrec.



don't apologize not even necessary:thumbsup


Are you saying you think Joel wouldn't of done 100x better than Sharmba did?


now you sound stupid. sharmba had fought at 147 cassa had not. how can you say cassa would have done better at 147 when he never even had a fight at that weight:deal are you saying cassa is on floyd's level. how many titles had cassa won at the age of 30:hey

Did you not see when people talk about Floyd they ALWAYS say Spinks and Casamayor had the style to give him the most problems?


please name these people:deal


No I don't have an agenda, I really like Floyd, but the one fighter I truely believed he ducked was Casamayor. Not Spinks, not Margo not Spaddy, not Johnston.


yeah sure you like floyd, but he ducked a 33 year old cassa at 147. you are not very intelligent putting forth such an argument:rofl


You say why isn't Cass fighting bigger guys like Floyd? Cass has already stated he'd fight anybody from 135 to 147, but no one wants to fight him.


I call bullshit, tell cassa to get his ass up to 147 and then talk shit. no welterweight is going to fight a lightweight unless they are gifted like floyd, mosley, and duran:deal


You say Cass wouldn't of been a big win (which is bullshit), but it wouldn't it of been a much bigger win than beating the shot Mitchell.


once again what guy planning to fight at 147 would fight a 135lber to prepare for welterweight:deal

You are saying I'm on thin ice? You are a joke on this site, everyone makes fun of you here. You are grouped with those pac guys.


thats why I'm tearing you a new asshole:good

I've already destroyed you when you tried to compare a Williams-Mayweather fight to Leonard-Hearns 1.

you couldn't destroy a gnat you fucking idiot. floyd vs williams is not even close to reality but if they did fight no way williams would beat him. :deal

[bigtime9]

Next time someone makes a thread asking who the #1 WW in the world is, I expect that you will answer that Cotto is because he is ranked #1 by Ring. But you won't because you didn't a couple of days ago. You said PBF.


so you're smarter then ring and espn:deal both orgs do not rank the champ but your backwards ass does. floyd is the champ but cotto is recognized as #1 by ring. I clearly see the difference why can't you:deal

[bigtime9]

The champ is the top fighter in the division, and common sense says the champ is #1 overall in that division. Just like in every other sport. You can cling to that if you like. Common sense prevails elsewhere

the ring does not rate floyd #1at 147..ask your dumb ass why:nut

[kg0208]

Bigtime, you always claim you win every argument. Put your account where your mouth is.....

We can debate on any subject you want and have a Public poll on who's winning decided right here by ESB. If you win, I will leave for 6 months, if I win you do the same.

So instead of always claiming victory for yourself, you have the opportunity to prove that you are indeed the better poster. If you decline, I will assume you know the real outcomes of our debates which have been overwhelmingly one sided in my favor.

[kg0208]

so you're smarter then ring and espn:deal both orgs do not rank the champ but your backwards ass does. floyd is the champ but cotto is recognized as #1 by ring. I clearly see the difference why can't you:deal

Boring.

[bigtime9]

Bigtime, you always claim you win every argument. Put your money where your mouth is.....

what does this have to do with the topic of this thread:scaredas:


We can debate on any subject you want and have a Public poll on who's winning decided right here by ESB. If you win, I will leave for 6 months, if I win you do the same.


satay focused on the topic thread and your retarded ass will do just fine:lol:

So instead of always claiming victory for yourself, you have the opportunity to prove that you are indeed the better poster. If you decline, I will assume you know the real outcomes of our debates which have been overwhelmingly one sided in my favor.

your an ass kisser a fucking fake ass boxing expert:deal you know what we all know :deal you're my bitch with a collar of thorns:lol:

[kg0208]

what does this have to do with the topic of this thread:scaredas:




satay focused on the topic thread and your retarded ass will do just fine:lol:



your an ass kisser a fucking fake ass boxing expert:deal you know what we all know :deal you're my bitch with a collar of thorns:lol:
Yes or no. You brought up that you win every argument, so I guess this is as relevant as that. Answer the question....if you don't this time, then I know you're yellow.

[bigtime9]

Boring.

you're just retarded:rofl :nut like chad dawson:hey

[kg0208]

you're just retarded:rofl :nut like chad dawson:hey

Still waiting.

[bigtime9]

Yes or no. You brought up that you win every argument, so I guess this is as relevant as that.

yes you are my bitch:scaredas: no you are not my equal:deal ..is that good enough for your lame ass:roll:

[kg0208]

yes you are my bitch:scaredas: no you are not my equal:deal ..is that good enough for your lame ass:roll:
That settles it....you're scared of open debate. :deal:hat

[bigtime9]

Still waiting.

what is the topic of this thread:nut are you a floyd revisionist, I will gladly debate you on the topic thread ( which by the way you have clearly lost again:lol: ) any personal vendettas you may have I am not interested you're not worth my time:deal by the way how is less_uppercuts bigtime9 threads going:lol:

[kg0208]

what is the topic of this thread:nut are you a floyd revisionist, I will gladly debate you on the topic thread ( which by the way you have clearly lost again:lol: ) any personal vendettas you may have I am not interested you're not worth my time:deal by the way how is less_uppercuts bigtime9 threads going:lol:

Chicken

[bigtime9]

Chicken

chickens can't type:deal

[kg0208]

chickens can't type:deal

Apparently they can.......chicken.

[bigtime9]

Apparently they can.......chicken.

in your warped mind:lol: anything is anything...me debate a retard like you:deal dream on fuck face:lol:

how can anyone debate someone who thinks floyd ducked:

spinks
cassa
and vivian harris

[kg0208]

in your warped mind:lol: anything is anything...me debate a retard like you:deal dream on fuck face:lol:

We're done here. :deal Hide for now....don't worry, I'll wait.

[bigtime9]

We're done here.

you mean you're done here kick rocks kid. :lol:

[kg0208]

you mean you're done here kick rocks kid. :lol:

Bigtime is ducking me :deal

[bigtime9]

Bigtime is ducking me :deal

so you've lost another floyd argument and now you want me to debate how stupid you are:lol:

[C Money]

Everyone has problems. Fighters fight regularly with injuries, some small, some big. That's part of the fight game. Floyd has brittle hands, and has fought through fights with them injured. It's impossible to find someone with no problems, so of course Floyd has fought people with problems.

Sure, everyone has problems, some worse than others:good

Funny thing is..... Floyd follows problems like FLYS ON SHIT!!!
Well, at least he did in the 2001-2003 days:lol:

Finally calling out Spadafora, 3 years after the beatdown and 72 hours into REHAB is fucking shameful, despicable, and utter BULLSHIT!!!!!

Then again turning down Spadafora, to go back down in weight to jump on Chico wasnt mucj better:lol:

Either way?? Its a bunch of BS, though a win is win, I wont deny that.
I will say that hiding from a guy you're supposed to beat EASY, is fucking ridiculous:yep

[C Money]

So Floyd is guilty for Hatton's business deals?

I dunno was Margarito guilty of Floyds business deals????:rofl


Dont worry, PBF vs Hatton is set, and if Floyd wins?? Its step 1 towards redemption.

Let him clean out 47 and I'll respect it, WHETHER I LIKE IT OR NOT:yep
Just remember that's the winner of SSM vs Cotto, Williams, and Cintron.


Spare me the predictions and assesments, give ME THE PROOF.

Then Mr. Marnoff????

C MONEY WILLL:bowdown :bowdown :bowdown :bowdown in Floyds honor:scaredas: :scaredas: :scaredas: :scaredas:

but true:hi:

[C Money]

I don't use boxrec, that's why I only talk about things I know about, not look up some records and argue with those facts. A 14 year old who doesn't even like boxing could argue that way. I know pretty much everything that happened from 130 up from 1998 to now. Occationally I'll slip, but I'd rather slip than speak on stuff strickly cuz of boxrec.

You said name these people who think Cassy and Spinks would give Floyd the most trouble, but with all the posts you have I'm sure you've read them, unless you only come here to post and not read. I'm one of them and that's good enough. I'm sure kg does too and most other intelligent posters.

Fighting a great LW who comes into his fights at 145 is better preperation than fighting a washed up 147 guy who wasn't as good as the LW to begin with.

You call bullshit, but you're wrong cuz I've read it and I can produce a link if you require it.

You're saying he ducked a 33 year Casamayor at 147 and laughing even though he was one of the two people Floyd had to pick and was much fresher than the washed up Mitchell and would've given him a much better fight.

You're acting like it wasn't Floyd's first fight at 147 either, it was and it would've been new waters for both guys.

You ain't tearing shit, and you are and will always be a joke. No one will ever take you seriously no matter how many icon's you use.

You don't want me to quote the time where I destroyed you when you foolishly brought up the Leonard-Hearns fight to compare to a Williams-Mayweather fight, do you? Now you're saying it's not even close to reality (bitch move trying to make something new up), it doesn't matter if they ever fight, the fact you made that comparrision shows how little you know.

Dont worry Rob.... BITCHTIME Forever used Boxrec to declare that Duran and Leonard werent unified at 35 and 47 respectively:rofl :rofl

The world is aware of what a useless and pathetic poster he is:yep

[Lance_Uppercut]

what does this have to do with the topic of this thread:scaredas:




satay focused on the topic thread and your retarded ass will do just fine:lol:



your an ass kisser a fucking fake ass boxing expert:deal you know what we all know :deal you're my bitch with a collar of thorns:lol:

Every time you can't answer, or simply do not want to, you pull this shit. You're a fuckin coward and everyone knows it. And no one likes or agrees with you. Even other Floyd nuthuggers. You're beat, ant out gunned here, and pathetic and I believe you know it too.

[C Money]

Every time you can't answer, or simply do not want to, you pull this shit. You're a fuckin coward and everyone knows it. And no one likes or agrees with you. Even other Floyd nuthuggers. You're beat, ant out gunned here, and pathetic and I believe you know it too.


SHhhhhhhhh... He'lll call you "bitch made" next:lol: :lol:


Bitchtime is the forum JOKE:yep :yep :yep


Apparently??? The staff at the institution dont pay much attention during late night!!! Thats when the majority of his posts occur:rofl :rofl

[bigtime9]

I don't use boxrec, that's why I only talk about things I know about, not look up some records and argue with those facts.

how the fuck can you know anything without having facts.:rofl are we supposed to accept your baseless argument that floyd ducked cassaa at 147 at face value. get a grip bitch:fuckoff


A 14 year old who doesn't even like boxing could argue that way. I know pretty much everything that happened from 130 up from 1998 to now. Occationally I'll slip, but I'd rather slip than speak on stuff strickly cuz of boxrec.



then slip you dumb ass off this thread:deal oh and you better get real familiar with box rec if you plan on revising floyd's history:deal

You said name these people who think Cassy and Spinks would give Floyd the most trouble, but with all the posts you have I'm sure you've read them, unless you only come here to post and not read. I'm one of them and that's good enough. I'm sure kg does too and most other intelligent posters.



sorry but you're not good enough not by a long shot..just name 30 people out of the hundreds that post on this site who agree with you:deal and for the record kg is my bitch you wanna be one too:deal


Fighting a great LW who comes into his fights at 145 is better preperation than fighting a washed up 147 guy who wasn't as good as the LW to begin with.


in 2005 cassa was not a great lightweight he wasn't even the ring champ at that weight:rofl once again sherlock what fighter preparing to face the undisputed 147 champ would fight a lightweight. :nut


You call bullshit, but you're wrong cuz I've read it and I can produce a link if you require it.


get to work little doggie:deal

You're saying he ducked a 33 year Casamayor at 147 and laughing even though he was one of the two people Floyd had to pick and was much fresher than the washed up Mitchell and would've given him a much better fight.


you're really dumb aren't you:huh answer this question; what fighter fights smaller men to prepare for bigger fighters:hi:



You're acting like it wasn't Floyd's first fight at 147 either, it was and it would've been new waters for both guys.


what did cassa bring to the table in 2005. he wasn't ring champ at 135 and wasn't ring champ at 130. why would floyd fight a guy who couldn't even accomplish what he did at the lower weights to prepare him for bigger harder punchers at 147:deal use your fucking common sense:blood



You ain't tearing shit, and you are and will always be a joke. No one will ever take you seriously no matter how many icon's you use.


you're asshole is bleeding:admin


You don't want me to quote the time where I destroyed you when you foolishly brought up the Leonard-Hearns fight to compare to a Williams-Mayweather fight, do you? Now you're saying it's not even close to reality (bitch move trying to make something new up), it doesn't matter if they ever fight, the fact you made that comparrision shows how little you know.


stay on topic dog-brain:deal the fact that you're cassa article got torn to shreds has angered you I see:rofl like you saying sharmba never fought at 147:nut :rofl

[kg0208]

All I know is, he turned down open debate on any topic....he could even choose it. He has the time to do it, otherwise he wouldn't have time to respond to all these posts.

Like I said Bigtime, don't worry, I'll wait. Until then you're a chicken for lack of a better term. If you think you're so confident in your debating skills...put it on all on the table. Not answering is as good as a no.

[bigtime9]

Bitchtime is the forum JOKE

coming from a guy who said floyd a 5 division champ ducked paul "the drug addict" spadafora:lol:

[bigtime9]

All I know is, he turned down open debate on any topic....he could even choose it. He has the time to do it, otherwise he wouldn't have time to respond to all these posts.

Like I said Bigtime, don't worry, I'll wait. Until then you're a chicken for lack of a better term. If you think you're so confident in your debating skills...put it on all on the table. Not answering is as good as a no.


what does this post have to do with the topic thread:tired get a life bitch made:deal

[IrnBruMan]

wow, look at clowntown9 run :admin

what fucking yellow bellied bitch :lol:

:hat

[bigtime9]

wow, look at clowntown9 run :admin

what fucking yellow bellied bitch :lol:



what does this post have to do with the topic thread:deal

[kg0208]

what does this post have to do with the topic thread:tired get a life bitch made:deal

Same as this

coming from a guy who said floyd a 5 division champ ducked paul "the drug addict" spadafora

Chicken:deal

[IrnBruMan]

so you're smarter then ring and espn:deal both orgs do not rank the champ but your backwards ass does. floyd is the champ but cotto is recognized as #1 by ring. I clearly see the difference why can't you:deal

:lol: :lol: :lol:

You're obviously still stinging from your pwnage the other day to be still crapping on with this twisted shit.

Man up and admit that the Ring champ is considered a better boxer by Ring magazine than the #1 Ring ranked fighter at the same wieght.

Stop playing semantics and hiding behind words and retarded 'logic' :lol:

[bigtime9]

Everything you said, I've previously answered


so you're now my new bitch:smoke

[kg0208]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

You're obviously still stinging from your pwnage the other day to be still crapping on with this twisted shit.

Man up and admit that the Ring champ is considered a better boxer by Ring magazine than the #1 Ring ranked fighter at the same wieght.

Stop playing semantics and hiding behind words and retarded 'logic' :lol:

He doesn't even realize he contradicted himself.

[bigtime9]

You're obviously still stinging from your pwnage the other day to be still crapping on with this twisted shit.

Man up and admit that the Ring champ is considered a better boxer by Ring magazine than the #1 Ring ranked fighter at the same wieght.

Stop playing semantics and hiding behind words and retarded 'logic'

what does this post have to do with the topic thread:deal

[bigtime9]

He doesn't even realize he contradicted himself.


please debate me:| :| :| :| :| :| :| my bitch made yes you are:hey

[kg0208]

please debate me:| :| :| :| :| :| :| my bitch made yes you are:hey
All the emoticons in the world won't hide the fact that you won't back up all that talk. You're scared and now everyone knows it:deal

Sarcasm hides the weak.

[C Money]

coming from a guy who said floyd a 5 division champ ducked paul "the drug addict" spadafora:lol:

Yeah explain how floyds 5 division Champ again??

Hmmmm Gatti???:lol: :lol: :lol:

STFU you worthless fucking slime!!!!


You can have "facts" but that doesnt always teel the whole story now does it???


Tell me again that Duran and SRL werent UNIFIED at 35 and 47!!!!


See how far you're "facts" got you???


:rofl :rofl

Further??? You are the very definition of BITCHMADE!!!!! It's kind of like LIMEAID only made of piss, shit, and vinegar!!! You're own special recipe!!!!


Still wanna explain why Floyd insisted on Hatton at 47?? Ya know further from that natural weight???



NAHHHHHHH........I THOUGHT NOT!!!!:lol:


FUCK YOU BITCHTIME!!!! YOU ARE UNDOUBTEDLY THE BIGGEST IDIOT ON THE FORUM!!!!:yep :yep :yep


Oh and I didnt just "say" it:nono I gave video evidence that was long the subject of specualtion and highlite:lol: Not to mention a factual review, but I certainly dont expect any such wisdom or exposure to penetrate the new titanium- poly mimetic alloy that is you're skull:rofl :rofl

[bigtime9]

here's the link where he said he'd fight at 147.

[Only registered and activated users can see links]


how many defenses of his 135 ring title has casamayor made:rofl :nut he challenged floyd after he went to 147. why didn't he challenege him when he was at 130 and 135. was it becasue cassa was too busy losing to guys floyd already beat:deal how comw cassa is still at 135 and floyd is at 147:lol:

[C Money]

how many defenses of his 135 ring title has casamayor made:rofl :nut he challenged floyd after he went to 147. why didn't he challenege him when he was at 130 and 135. was it becasue cassa was too busy losing to guys floyd already beat:deal how comw cassa is still at 135 and floyd is at 147:lol:

How many defenses has Floyd made at 47???

:lol:

[kg0208]

how many defenses of his 135 ring title has casamayor made:rofl :nut he challenged floyd after he went to 147. why didn't he challenege him when he was at 130 and 135. was it becasue cassa was too busy losing to guys floyd already beat:deal how comw cassa is still at 135 and floyd is at 147:lol:

Casa never lost while PBF was at 130.

[C Money]

Casa never lost while PBF was at 130.

neither did Freitas:nono


Oh and they both had belts while floyd was there!!!

[kg0208]

Can someone tell this guy Cass has been calling out Floyd since 130.


[Only registered and activated users can see links]

He knows. He's just chicken.

[C Money]

Can someone tell this guy Cass has been calling out Floyd since 130.


[Only registered and activated users can see links]


It doesnt matter Rob:nono

Bitchtime is a patient in a mental institution, I SWEAR!!!!!!:rofl


Honestly, this cat gets destroyed constantly and will keep posting even in the face of concrete, factual, evidence!!!!


No shame in his game:nono

:rofl

[kg0208]

neither did Freitas:nono


Oh and they both had belts while floyd was there!!!

Yah, but he says Casamayor didn't distinuish himself enough. Apparently making 6 defenses of the oldest title in boxing (WBA) isn't distinguished, but Carlos Hernandez somehow did...as dis Jesus Chavez and a host of other fighters with no belts.

You know I am not in the PBF ducked everybody camp. But he doesn't even want to look at the fighters PBF could have fought.

[bigtime9]

Yeah explain how floyds 5 division Champ again??

Hmmmm Gatti???:lol: :lol: :lol:



gatti was ranked higher at 140 then spadafora ever was at 135:deal



STFU you worthless fucking slime!!!!


You can have "facts" but that doesnt always teel the whole story now does it???


we'll "champ" let me teel you something, you lose again

Tell me again that Duran and SRL werent UNIFIED at 35 and 47!!!!


See how far you're "facts" got you???


they unified 2 belts guys nowadays have to unify 4 what is the greater accomplishment, bitch made fucker:deal


:rofl :rofl

Further??? You are the very definition of BITCHMADE!!!!! It's kind of like LIMEAID only made of piss, shit, and vinegar!!! You're own special recipe!!!!


coming from a guy who thinks floyd ducked spadafora:deal


Still wanna explain why Floyd insisted on Hatton at 47?? Ya know further from that natural weight???


are you really that stupid:huh


NAHHHHHHH........I THOUGHT NOT!!!!:lol:


what makes you think you can form a coherent thought:deal

FUCK YOU BITCHTIME!!!! YOU ARE UNDOUBTEDLY THE BIGGEST IDIOT ON THE FORUM!!!!:yep :yep :yep


coming from the president of the floyd ducked spadafora club:rofl :nut

Oh and I didnt just "say" it:nono I gave video evidence that was long the subject of specualtion and highlite:lol: Not to mention a factual review, but I certainly dont expect any such wisdom or exposure to penetrate the new titanium- poly mimetic alloy that is you're skull:rofl :rofl

video evidence of what your spadafora fanclub wet dream. the guy actually beating an elite fighter:deal

[kg0208]

gatti was ranked higher at 140 then spadafora ever was at 135:deal





we'll "champ" let me teel you something, you lose again



they unified 2 belts guys nowadays have to unify 4 what is the greater accomplishment, bitch made fucker:deal


:rofl :rofl



coming from a guy who thinks floyd ducked spadafora:deal




are you really that stupid:huh




what makes you think you can form a coherent thought:deal



coming from the president of the floyd ducked spadafora club:rofl :nut



video evidence of what your spadafora fanclub wet dream. the guy actually beating an elite fighter:deal


:|:|:|:|:|:|:|

Chicken.

[bigtime9]

:nut Yah, but he says Casamayor didn't distinuish himself enough.

did he beat freitas:rofl :nut


Apparently making 6 defenses of the oldest title in boxing (WBA) isn't distinguished, but Carlos Hernandez somehow did...as dis Jesus Chavez and a host of other fighters with no belts.


floyd made 8 defenses and remained undefeated while doing so what about cassa:deal

[bigtime9]

Can someone tell this guy Cass has been calling out Floyd since 130.


and what did cassa do to push a fight with floyd...lose to freitas, corrales, and castillo. yep that will definitely get you a fight with floyd at 147:lol:

[kg0208]

:nut

did he beat freitas:rofl :nut



floyd made 8 defenses and remained undefeated while doing so what about cassa:deal

Was PBF at 130 when he fought Freitas? No...so it's not relevant. Pay attention.

Casa made 6 defenses and was unbeaten while PBF was there....but this isn't about PBF but his competition. So what did any fighter at 130 that PBF fought do that was more than was Casamayor?

[bigtime9]

Incase dude missed it, that was my response to him saying "so you're my bitch now" to me.

get the fuck back in your cage:hey

[kg0208]

get the fuck back in your cage:hey

Chicken.

[bigtime9]

Casa made 6 defenses and was unbeaten while PBF was there....but this isn't about PBF but his competition. So what did any fighter at 130 that PBF fought do that was more than was Casamayor?

here you go getting owned again, corrales had 6 title defenses at 130 and was universally recognized as the #5 p4p fighter on the planet. casa was nowhere to be seen on that list:deal

[C Money]

gatti was ranked higher at 140 then spadafora ever was at 135:deal





we'll "champ" let me teel you something, you lose again



they unified 2 belts guys nowadays have to unify 4 what is the greater accomplishment, bitch made fucker:deal


:rofl :rofl



coming from a guy who thinks floyd ducked spadafora:deal




are you really that stupid:huh




what makes you think you can form a coherent thought:deal



coming from the president of the floyd ducked spadafora club:rofl :nut



video evidence of what your spadafora fanclub wet dream. the guy actually beating an elite fighter:deal

first point?? stay on topic:lol: And Spadafor was IBF Champ it was Floyd who was scared to fight him:yep

Next, I teel you this:finger Typo or not:lol:


3rd?? You cant say guy's werent unified when they were by rules of the day!!!! Also, I suppose it was even easier for SRR, huh???:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl


And BITCH MADE.....You are the fucking JOKE:yep :yep :yep

You're superhuman hero was scared to make the real fight and the video clearly showed PBf getting taxed:good


You're sad version of the jedi mind trick wont work here, my favorite little PUNK:nono :nono


You are MY BITCH and that jas been represented many a time:yep :yep

I should have Bitchtime 9 killer in my profile:rofl

[kg0208]

here you go getting owned again, corrales had 6 title defenses at 130 and was universally recognized as the #5 p4p fighter on the planet. casa was nowhere to be seen on that list:deal

Corrales had 5 defenses....and after PBF beat him, Casa was still there and unbeaten and a champion for another year so he could have fought him after instead of Carlos Hernandez and Jesus Chavez who were ranked behind Casamayor in the same magazine you just quoted.

This is why you won't debate me. :deal

[C Money]

Yah, but he says Casamayor didn't distinuish himself enough. Apparently making 6 defenses of the oldest title in boxing (WBA) isn't distinguished, but Carlos Hernandez somehow did...as dis Jesus Chavez and a host of other fighters with no belts.

You know I am not in the PBF ducked everybody camp. But he doesn't even want to look at the fighters PBF could have fought.


I meant no slight towards you my friend:nono

Just pointing out that while Floyd was at 30, he left CASA and freitas on th table.:good


I am in the camp of pointing out the opponents Floyd avoided, ducked, and didnt mention:yep


Yet, I will also respect Floyd, if he reverses those mistakes at 47, but we are aways from that date:good

We both lnow that Bitchtime has his own unique and irrational agenda despite our somewhat different vantage points.

[kg0208]

I meant no slight towards you my friend:nono

Just pointing out that while Floyd was at 30, he left CASA and freitas on th table.:good


I am in the camp of pointing out the opponents Floyd avoided, ducked, and didnt mention:yep


Yet, I will also respect Floyd, if he reverses those mistakes at 47, but we are aways from that date:good

We both lnow that Bitchtime has his own unique and irrational agenda despite our somewhat different vantage points.

Is unique the word? They have to have something more descriptive in the dictionary. Plain stupid works for me, but perhaps there is something better.....

[bigtime9]

Corrales had 5 defenses....and after PBF beat him, Casa was still there and unbeaten and a champion for another year so he could have fought him after instead of Carlos Hernandez and Jesus Chavez who were ranked behind Casamayor in the same magazine you just quoted.


cassa had 5 defenses as well:deal

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cassa was not the ring champ/or lineal at 130 that was floyd. when you are the universally recognized champ you don't have to fight other belt holders. cassa was a title holder at 130 nothing more and he damn sure blew any chance of a floyd fight at 130 by losing to freitas:deal


This is why you won't debate me


stay focused daniel-san:lol:

[C Money]

Is unique the word? They have to have something more descriptive in the dictionary. Plain stupid works for me, but perhaps there is something better.....

Yeah...he's UNIQUE in the depth of his stupidity!!!:rofl


i swear he's institutionalized!!!!!!!!!!!!:lol: :lol:

[bigtime9]

You're superhuman hero was scared to make the real fight and the video clearly showed PBf getting taxed:good


floyd getting taxed by spadafora a felon and drug addict...only in your wildest dreams:lol:

[kg0208]

cassa had 5 defenses as well:deal

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cassa was not the ring champ/or lineal at 130 that was floyd. when you are the universally recognized champ you don't have to fight other belt holders. cassa was a title holder at 130 nothing more and he damn sure blew any chance of a floyd fight at 130 by losing to freitas:deal





stay focused daniel-san:lol:
Nice try. Like I said, PBF left the division before Casa fought Freitas. So that is not a valid excuse.

He may not have to fight other title holders, but he didn't have to fight Chavez and Hernandez either...so why did he? Why them and not Casa. Casa hadn't lost yet. He decided to fight lower ranked fighters with not titles.

It's 6 title defenses. Can't count can you.

Santos, Baek, Beasley, Garcia, Santana, and Morales.

Chicken:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[C Money]

floyd getting taxed by spadafora a felon and drug addict...only in your wildest dreams:lol:


Go watch the video....... and cry in you're worst nightmares:lol: :lol:


FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Oh BTW?? Spadafora was only a felon and drug addict AFTER THAT TOOK PLACE!!!!


If he didnt become afelon and drug addict???


HE'd have never gotten any offer from floyd, vs the one he got while in rehab!!!


You pussy ass excuse for a poster:lol:

[Lance_Uppercut]

what does this post have to do with the topic thread:tired get a life bitch made:deal

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:yep

I wasn't aware you could write.

[kg0208]

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:yep

I wasn't aware you could write.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Let it be known ESB wide that Bigtime is a chicken. All that bravado on how he owns everyone and when given the chance to prove it, he chickens out.

[Lance_Uppercut]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Let it be known ESB wide that Bigtime is a chicken. All that bravado on how he owns everyone and when given the chance to prove it, he chickens out.
PAthetic isn't it.

[bigtime9]

Nice try. Like I said, PBF left the division before Casa fought Freitas. So that is not a valid excuse.


was there a reason why he should stick around:huh I mean if you had the chance to fight for your 2nd ring title or the wba champ which would you prefer.:lol: fighting castillo over casamayor or freitas was the more challenging fight:deal

He may not have to fight other title holders, but he didn't have to fight Chavez and Hernandez either

yes he did they were the #1 ranked challengers for the wbc title:deal

...so why did he? Why them and not Casa. Casa hadn't lost yet. He decided to fight lower ranked fighters with not titles.



read the above post shit for brains:deal

It's 6 title defenses. Can't count can you.

Santos, Baek, Beasley, Garcia, Santana, and Morales.

Chicken:lol::lol::lol::lol:

santos was not a title defense, btich made:deal

[Lance_Uppercut]

was there a reason why he should stick around:huh I mean if you had the chance to fight for your 2nd ring title or the wba champ which would you prefer.:lol: fighting castillo over casamayor or freitas was the more challenging fight:deal



yes he did they were the #1 ranked challengers for the wbc title:deal

...


read the above post shit for brains:deal



santos was not a title defense, btich made:deal
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[IrnBruMan]

what does this post have to do with the topic thread:deal

what do your posts have to do with reality :deal

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[kg0208]

was there a reason why he should stick around:huh I mean if you had the chance to fight for your 2nd ring title or the wba champ which would you prefer.:lol: fighting castillo over casamayor or freitas was the more challenging fight:deal



yes he did they were the #1 ranked challengers for the wbc title:deal

...


read the above post shit for brains:deal



santos was not a title defense, btich made:deal

Santos was a title defense.


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Chicken.

[IrnBruMan]

they unified 2 belts guys nowadays have to unify 4 what is the greater accomplishment, bitch made fucker:deal


:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

oh man, you are so far gone it's hilarious.

[kg0208]

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

oh man, you are so far gone it's hilarious.

Tell me he did not just say that:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[IrnBruMan]

Tell me he did not just say that:lol::lol::lol::lol:

this guy is a maniac :rofl

he thinks he's sitting on a goldmine being such a Floyd sycophant, trying feverishly to twist and spin everything in Floyd's favour, and then he comes out with pearls of wisdom like that :lol: :lol: :lol:

[PATSYS]

I know. It seems hard to believe, but he actually was.

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PBF fought him in 2005 and in the link you gave, Hatton was the top dog :huh :huh :huh

[IrnBruMan]

they unified 2 belts guys nowadays have to unify 4 what is the greater accomplishment, bitch made fucker:deal

:lol:

This is up there with his logic that the ring champ isn't actually ranked numerically by Ring, and therefore isn't the top fighter in his division :rofl

[PowerPuncher]

When people go to extremes to prove points they're in trouble. I KNOW for a fact it was down to Casamayor and Mitchell as I have been following Cass's career closely and it broke my heart when Floyd chose to fight Sharmba instead. I can't force you to believe me but 3 other people who I have quoted in this thread have all said the same thing.

But still, I will try and dig for the article you so much desire. It's not my fault you weren't keeping a close eye on who his opponent was gonna be for his WW debut.

If you were following Casas career you'd know Floyd wanted Cotto/Hatton and couldnt get either. He would then choose between Cassamoya and Mitchell. Floyd was getting allot of flack for cosidering Cassa because everyone considered Casa to be shot and on the downward spiral because he hadn't won a meaningful bout in years. Each were coming off a loss, Cassa against Castillo and Mitchell against Tyszu

CASSA WAS TALKED ABOUT FIGHTING FLOYD AT 140 NOT AT 147. FLOYD WAS MOVING TO 147 ANYWAY AND DECIDED ON MITCHEL. IT YOU WERE A CASA FAN YOU'D KNOW THAT :deal

[kg0208]

If you were following Casas career you'd know Floyd wanted Cotto/Hatton and couldnt get either. He would then choose between Cassamoya and Mitchell. Floyd was getting allot of flack for cosidering Cassa because everyone considered Casa to be shot and on the downward spiral because he hadn't won a meaningful bout in years. Each were coming off a loss, Cassa against Castillo and Mitchell against Tyszu

CASSA WAS TALKED ABOUT FIGHTING FLOYD AT 140 NOT AT 147. FLOYD WAS MOVING TO 147 ANYWAY AND DECIDED ON MITCHEL. IT YOU WERE A CASA FAN YOU'D KNOW THAT :deal

Whoa, what you say may be true as far as when they were looking at Casamayor.

But to say he hadn't won a meaningful fight in years? If he had just lost to Castillo, that means a year earlier he had KO'd Corrales. He lost a close UD many thought he won to Corrales and then beat Seda, then lost another SD to Castillo many thought he won. So why would they think he was shot?

[achillesthegreat]

A post of mine from the other thread.

"Casamayor had been calling out Floyd even before he fought Freitas, in a post fight interview Floyd said he'd like to fight Casamayor, but it never happened. At 140 it was down to two opponents for Floyd, Cass and Mitchell and Floyd chose to fight the worn out Mitchell instead of Cassy".
Floyd was looking at Mitchell and Casa as TUNE UPS!

In the end he fought the proven welter in Mitchell at a new weight class cos the Floyd-Cotto/Hatton fights were not going to happen then.

Casa was said to be too small, looking past it and may not have even been that proven at 135.

[bigtime9]

Santos was a title defense.


only in your warped mind santos wasn't a real title fight. since when does an interim title represent the real thing:scaredas:





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Chicken.

now you claim an interim titile is a real title. too dumb to be stupid:deal

[bigtime9]

But to say he hadn't won a meaningful fight in years? If he had just lost to Castillo, that means a year earlier he had KO'd Corrales. He lost a close UD many thought he won to Corrales and then beat Seda, then lost another SD to Castillo many thought he won. So why would they think he was shot?

becasue he didn't win you dumb fuck:blood

[bigtime9]

oh man, you are so far gone it's hilarious.

stay on the topic of the thread. don't worry about me:rofl post something relevant to this thread:lol:

[kg0208]

only in your warped mind santos wasn't a real title fight. since when does an interim title represent the real thing:scaredas:







now you claim an interim titile is a real title. too dumb to be stupid:deal

Chicken :lol::lol::lol:

[kg0208]

becasue he didn't win you dumb fuck:blood

Chicken:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[IrnBruMan]

stay on the topic of the thread. don't worry about me:rofl post something relevant to this thread:lol:

goneski

you are vacant

:lol:

[IrnBruMan]

they unified 2 belts guys nowadays have to unify 4 what is the greater accomplishment, bitch made fucker:deal


the ring champ isn't ranked numerically by Ring magazine, and therefore isn't the top fighter in his division :deal :hat


:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

[PowerPuncher]

Whoa, what you say may be true as far as when they were looking at Casamayor.

But to say he hadn't won a meaningful fight in years? If he had just lost to Castillo, that means a year earlier he had KO'd Corrales. He lost a close UD many thought he won to Corrales and then beat Seda, then lost another SD to Castillo many thought he won. So why would they think he was shot?

Casa just wasnt a name in mid 2005, he was still good but it was 2 years since his last big win and he had 2 losses against Corrales and Castillo (I had him beating Castillo) in the last 2 years. He wasn't looking as sharp and didn't look great in beating a drained Corrales in 2006. No one cared about Casa in 2004 especially not above lightweight.

Mayweather was getting flack on ESB for contemplating Cassa in 2005.

Mayweather couldnt get a fight in 2005 after Gatti - Hatton and Cotto wouldnt fight him. Harris had just lost. Judah was supposed to fight him until the PPV date fell threw. Tyszu had retired.

So it was down to Mitchell/Casa - I wanted him to fight Casa to secure his 130lb legacy but he chose the bigger man and won at a canter

[PowerPuncher]

Anyway Mayweather went to fight a bigger, harder hitting version of Casamoya in Judah in his next fight

[Theo]

I love how Guru is here protecting the "truth" about pbf, when he is compleatly capable of "bending" the facts when it comes to hatton...

hypocrite

[IrnBruMan]

I love how Guru is here protecting the "truth" about pbf, when he is compleatly capable of "bending" the facts when it comes to hatton...

hypocrite

Guru's a fuckwit - there's no greater hypocrite than someone who bleats about everyone else lacking objectivity when PBF is being criticised, but then goes on to deride another fighter :roll:

Watch out for him, if you're not careful he'll post a picture of a dumb fat slut as his avatar, claiming it to be his girlfriend, thereby making you feel totally worthless, which in turn will intimidate you into believing he actually knows what he's talking about :yep

[BewareofDawg]

Guru's a fuckwit - there's no greater hypocrite than someone who bleats about everyone else lacking objectivity when PBF is being criticised, but then goes on to deride another fighter :roll:

Watch out for him, if you're not careful he'll post a picture of a dumb fat slut as his avatar, claiming it to be his girlfriend, thereby making you feel totally worthless, which in turn will intimidate you into believing he actually knows what he's talking about :yep
1. Guru's a good poster and knows his shit, he's one of the few on here you can actaully have an educate debate and argument with.

When I actually feel like having a serious discussion on here, I'll normally just go start some shit with him....rather then get into a bitchfest with some others who will remain nameless.

2. His girlfriend is hot :good

[BewareofDawg]

Watch out for him, if you're not careful he'll post a picture of a dumb fat slut as his avatar, claiming it to be his girlfriend, thereby making you feel totally worthless, which in turn will intimidate :yep
Why would that make YOU feel worthless or intimidate you???? :huh :patsch

[IrnBruMan]

Why would that make YOU feel worthless or intimidate you???? :huh :patsch

in his mind :D

[Ambition_Def]

Guru's a fuckwit - there's no greater hypocrite than someone who bleats about everyone else lacking objectivity when PBF is being criticised, but then goes on to deride another fighter :roll:

Watch out for him, if you're not careful he'll post a picture of a dumb fat slut as his avatar, claiming it to be his girlfriend, thereby making you feel totally worthless, which in turn will intimidate you into believing he actually knows what he's talking about :yep

:good

Damn right. And he only hashes these ridiculous arguments in my absence!

Just be happy that Mayweather finally owned up to fight a legitimate threat. Don't bring in this revisionist garbage as though you are going to claim a war long ago won by us!

[BewareofDawg]

:good

Damn right. And he only hashes these ridiculous arguments in my absence!

Just be happy that Mayweather finally owned up to fight a legitimate threat. Don't bring in this revisionist garbage as though you are going to claim a war long ago won by us!
Oscar wasn't a Legitimate Threat now????

[Guru_Too_You]

Ask yourself why floyds never unified at any weight???

Hey, maybe Floyds superman with gloves, but the proof is in the pudding. I hope that he reverses the trend at 47.

Floyd left casa and Freitas on the table at 130. Either man would have been a better opponent than Hernandez in the last fight of a fourteen year career:yep Not that Hernandez was a bad opponent, it was for the lineal title, but clearly, PBF, Corrales, Casamayor, and Freitas all had belts at 30 at the same time. Floyd actually went back down to 30 to catch Corrales when he was having issues and facing incarceration.

So because you can look back at it now, it made more sense to fight a titlist than for the linear title? God you're delusional.

[Guru_Too_You]

Margarito offered Fraud 8 mil and free agnecy to fight him. . .. Goosen offered him 8 mil and no free agency for the baldy fight. . . FMJ had to pay Goosen a cut of his next fight (DLH) - thats why Goosen overpaid for the Baldy fight.

The money he paid Goosen from the DLH purse was the price he was willing to pay to DUCK Margarito. . . he's a ducker plain and simple.

You don't duck a titlist by fighting for the legitimate title.

You don't duck a Margarito when you're going to fight a De La Hoya.

[Guru_Too_You]

1. Guru's a good poster and knows his shit, he's one of the few on here you can actaully have an educate debate and argument with.

When I actually feel like having a serious discussion on here, I'll normally just go start some shit with him....rather then get into a bitchfest with some others who will remain nameless.

2. His girlfriend is hot :good

1. Thank you.

2. Aint been with that bitch for a minute now.

[Guru_Too_You]

He was the WBA SFW champion for nearly 2 years. He could have fought him then.

If Casamayor losing is all that matters, then PBF has alot of explaining to do since he has fought a ton of fighters with losses.

His opposition wasn't that impressive, even for a titleholder. It was his bouts with Freitas, Corrales and Castillo that legitimized him as a truly elite fighter.

I mean take a serious look back at his opposition during those 2 years as champion.

[BewareofDawg]

1. Thank you.

2. Aint been with that bitch for a minute now.
Oh shit. Well, she's still hot....:good

[Guru_Too_You]

I am implying that he had a shot to beat PBF. But that doesn't matter. It's not relevant. What is relevant is that he did do something at 130 and 135, more than many of the fighters PBF fought at those weights. So saying "What did he do" would be answered with, "What did Carlos Hernandez do?". He fought Hernandez before Casa lost to Freitas. Certainly being WBA champion and unbeaten is better than anything Hernandez had done to that point.

I haven't said he ducked him, but he certainly COULD have and perhaps SHOULD have fought him instead of the fighters he did fight.

:good

The Hernandez bout was Floyd's first chance to fight in front of his home crowd, and even though Hernandez would late go on to become a titleholder, Casamayor or Freitas could have been opponents, but I don't feel that there was much public demand for either of those bouts at the time that PBF was still at 130. Chavez was then mandatory, and PBF had outgrown the division.

Certainly it would have been unification, but a revisionist will look at unification in the past as a big deal even though PBF possesed the linear title.

[Guru_Too_You]

OK he fought at welter for 5 rounds, but he was still relatively new there. But yeah he did fight at WW... sorry I don't use boxrec.

Are you saying you think Joel wouldn't of done 100x better than Sharmba did?

Did you not see when people talk about Floyd they ALWAYS say Spinks and Casamayor had the style to give him the most problems?

No I don't have an agenda, I really like Floyd, but the one fighter I truely believed he ducked was Casamayor. Not Spinks, not Margo not Spaddy, not Johnston.

You say why isn't Cass fighting bigger guys like Floyd? Cass has already stated he'd fight anybody from 135 to 147, but no one wants to fight him.

You say Cass wouldn't of been a big win (which is bullshit), but it wouldn't it of been a much bigger win than beating the shot Mitchell.

You are saying I'm on thin ice? You are a joke on this site, everyone makes fun of you here. You are grouped with those pac guys.

I've already destroyed you when you tried to compare a Williams-Mayweather fight to Leonard-Hearns 1.

Casamayor at welterweight is a MAJOR stretch. And Casamayor sits in the pocket far too much to be considered the same type of threat to Floyd as Spinks would be. Spinks style to hit n run with the reach advantage he'd have over Floyd would be far more difficult than Casa's style.

[Guru_Too_You]

Can someone tell this guy Cass has been calling out Floyd since 130.


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Good interview, but I would much prefer something from the actual time frame we are speaking of instead of Casamayor's recollection.

[Guru_Too_You]

Guru's a fuckwit - there's no greater hypocrite than someone who bleats about everyone else lacking objectivity when PBF is being criticised, but then goes on to deride another fighter :roll:

Watch out for him, if you're not careful he'll post a picture of a dumb fat slut as his avatar, claiming it to be his girlfriend, thereby making you feel totally worthless, which in turn will intimidate you into believing he actually knows what he's talking about :yep

LOL.

You spend entirely too much time thinking about me.

[Guru_Too_You]

I love how Guru is here protecting the "truth" about pbf, when he is compleatly capable of "bending" the facts when it comes to hatton...

hypocrite
Point it out.

[digiram]

Don't know about Spaddy, but Casamayor has been proven.

You proved that PBF chose to eat a Whopper instead of a Big Mac.

He can't eat both at the same time, and ended up choosing the burger that you don't like.

Thanks.

[Lance_Uppercut]

stay on the topic of the thread. don't worry about me:rofl post something relevant to this thread:lol:

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[Guru_Too_You]

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Yeah even a Mayweather supporter like myself can't stand BigTime, and his incessant posts ruined what I was hoping would be a nicely debated thread, using actual facts, timelines and interviews.

ESB forbids such things.

[Guru_Too_You]

AGAIN I'm posting the link, please don't conviniently choose to ignore it this time. You said you'd love to see a link where it was down to Mitchell and Casamayor... so here it is.


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OK, got it.

But I will not give much merit to any assertion that Floyd ducked Casamayor by not fighting him at 147. Hell he received disdain for fighting Mitchell at 147, let alone Casamayor who never even campaigned or one any sort of titles at 140.

At 147, I think Casamayor and Mitchell are pretty much even as potential opponents. Thats just my opinion, you may disagree. It is what it is.

[Guru_Too_You]

It's not my fault you don't know the difference between shot and fresh.

Yeah Casamayor looked real fresh following his loss to Castillo and draw, I REPEAT DRAW TO RAIYMKULOV.

He looked like absolute shit in that bout and it probably cost him the Mayweather bout.

[Guru_Too_You]

He wasn't shot to me and to a whole lot of people who accuse him of ducking Cass when choosing between him and Mitchell, I and them knew he still had it, has proven since then then he is not shot. If you saw the Diamond fight you'd know he won that.

You are biased when it comes to Casamayor, and regardless of whether you felt that he won it or not, he looked like GARBAGE in that bout.

He was slow, lethargic, couldnt get away from punches like he used to, rarely threw combinations, etc. etc.

He had just as many, if not more of the "shot" signs than Mitchell had ever displayed at that time.

[Thread Stealer]

PBF fought him in 2005 and in the link you gave, Hatton was the top dog :huh :huh :huh

Those ratings are for the end of the year. Look at the 2004 ratings.

Gatti was actually ranked as the #1 contender behind champ Tszyu at the start of 2005.

[Guru_Too_You]

That's beside the point, but do you now see how it was down to those two? You asked for proof and I produced it, you didn't believe it before, I hope you learned something.

And Casamayor would've put up a way better fight than Mitchell. Mitchell has done nothing afterwards while Casamayor has proven he still has it. He came into the Corrales rubber match at 145 and gave Chico a boxing lesson, maybe he'd come in at 146 for Floyd at WW and Floyd maybe would've been 148. If Cass boxed the way he did against Chico the third time, it woulda gave Floyd problems.

OK, I am glad that you showed me that. I did not recall that PBF was actually considering Casamayor for that bout.

And what they have done since then is irrelevant, how can it be accounted for in the decision making at the time. Sure, in hindsight it may have been a better bout, but at the time, it was a toss up, and Casamayor was coming off an uninspiring draw at 135, and Mitchell was coming off an uninspring win at 147. You do the math. Do you have any idea how much flak PBF most likely would have caught for fighting a current lightweight who looked like garbage in his last bout at welterweight?

[Guru_Too_You]

He didn't look like garbage to me, I had him winning that fight 116-111. And punches on the shoulder don't count. Diamond in reality landed very few clean blows until the final round. Lampley was just going crazy as usual for nothing.

I don't listen to the commentators. I'm telling you, that did not look like the Casamayor I had grown to love. He looked old that night. Period.

[Guru_Too_You]

As opposed to Mitchell getting hammered by Zoo in three? :lol:

He had another bout after that, but forgetting the bout afterwards, do you feel that getting clipped and knocked out early by a P4P elite fighter is more telling than looking mediocre over 12 rounds against an unproven prospect?

[Guru_Too_You]

None, on the boards I was on at the time EVERYONE was pissed Floyd didn't go with Cass. This would've been like Holyfield-Tyson finally getting it on. Yeah it would've better if it was earlier, but these two had been linked in the past aswell and when you don't fight the guy that's been calling you out for years and you even said you'd fight him in a post fight interview once, when it comes down to him and another guy and you chose the other guy... it looks bad.

No it looks bad when you make a guy who looked unimpressive against an overmatched opponent move up two divisions to fight you.

Tito and Jones Jr. have been linked for years, how do you see that one going?

And that was a great response, but you failed to address the question that I asked in my previous post:

Originally Posted by Guru_Too_You
Do you have any idea how much flak PBF most likely would have caught for fighting a current lightweight who looked like garbage in his last bout at welterweight?

[Guru_Too_You]

None, on the boards I was on at the time EVERYONE was pissed Floyd didn't go with Cass. This would've been like Holyfield-Tyson finally getting it on. Yeah it would've better if it was earlier, but these two had been linked in the past aswell and when you don't fight the guy that's been calling you out for years and you even said you'd fight him in a post fight interview once, when it comes down to him and another guy and you chose the other guy... it looks bad.
And this is wrong as well, everyone was pissed he wasnt fighting Margarito.

[Guru_Too_You]

The way Sharmba got KO'd in three aginst a P4P guy is worse than winning a fight against a highly touted prospect 116-111

Correction: Draw.

It was down to those two guys, forget about Margarito he was already out of the equation, why would Floyd fight a proven WW who had fought at 154 before in his first fight there? It was down to Casamayor and Mitchell for weeks and everyone hoping he'd pick Cass.

So your claiming that he should take the more difficult bout, in your eyes mind you, when its between Casamayor and Mitchell, but not the most difficult bout when its between Margarito, Casamayor and Mitchell?

And I've been here since 99 Rob, and I've been defending Floyd on these boards for years. There was an uproar over Margarito, and no uproar over Casamayor, I hate to tell you.

[Guru_Too_You]

:? I answered the question by saying "none" then proceeded to explain why.

OK, I copied the wrong post, but here are the two questions I've posed that you did not reply to:

1.
So your claiming that he should take the more difficult bout, in your eyes mind you, when its between Casamayor and Mitchell, but not the most difficult bout when its between Margarito, Casamayor and Mitchell?

2.
He (Mitchell) had another bout after that, but forgetting the bout afterwards, do you feel that getting clipped and knocked out early by a P4P elite fighter is more telling than looking mediocre over 12 rounds against an unproven prospect?

[Guru_Too_You]

You only learned today that it was down Mitchell and Casamayor, and you say there was no uproar over him choosing Mitchell over Casamayor years ago? How would you know?

OK, the fact that I sit here all day at work and post should be telling enough. I had just as many posts before the legendary ESB crash that I'm sure you've probably never even heard about and most certainly didnt experience.

The bottom line is there has been real uproar over only one potential Mayweather opponent in the past few years, and that is Antonio Margarito. Both at the time that we are discussing, right up until the Williams bout.

The other major uproar was when PBF fought Gatti, when he could not secure a bout with Tszyu and Hatton respectively.

[Guru_Too_You]

It's not logical to throw Floyd in there with a huge at WW who has fought 154 aginst someone who started out at 130 in his first fight at WW. Everyone who wanted to critizied Floyd for not taking the Margo fight at that time is a Floyd hater.

Floyd and Casamayor started out at the same weight, they had a history, one guy was calling out the other guy for years, he was one of the final two guys in the running and more fans wanted gim to fight Casa between the two.

Agree to disagree. I can see where you're coming from. And given both their talents, I think it would have been extraordinary at 130 or 135, but Floyd-Casa at 147 wouldnt have been competitive in my opinion. Thats too much weight for Casa.

Getting back on topic, do you feel that Floyd legitimately "ducked" Casamayor?

[kg0208]

:good

The Hernandez bout was Floyd's first chance to fight in front of his home crowd, and even though Hernandez would late go on to become a titleholder, Casamayor or Freitas could have been opponents, but I don't feel that there was much public demand for either of those bouts at the time that PBF was still at 130. Chavez was then mandatory, and PBF had outgrown the division.

Certainly it would have been unification, but a revisionist will look at unification in the past as a big deal even though PBF possesed the linear title.

His opposition wasn't great, but it wasn't horrible. Either way, it is always good to take on the other champions of your division regardless of their names because of what they could become even though they may not be big names then. Casa was still mentioned as a viable opponent. Jones made a career of fighting guys everyone said were nobodies who went on to win championships and now people are just starting to realize he actually fought alot of good fighters.....remember who Hopkins was to the public when Jones beat him.

My point is, better to fight an unbeaten champion than a contender who has already lost at the championship level. Yes, Hernandez would go on to win a title, but he was the choice over Casa (mandatories are ok, but if they strip you for fighting another champion, well you just take his belt) who was unbeaten and already a champion.

[Drew101]

RobBasehead makes a claim that Floyd ducked casamayor in order to to fight Mitchell in November of 2005. Whether that's true or not, it's worth noting that Casamayor's prior fight was his disputed draw against Kid Diamond...which was hardly a stellar performance. Based on this performance, and the fact that he would have been moving up two fights in weight, this fight would still have been perceived, by many, as something of a mismatch had it been made.

I would have liked it had Mayweather fought Casa at 130, or 135, but, sadly, that wasn't to be.

[kg0208]

only in your warped mind santos wasn't a real title fight. since when does an interim title represent the real thing:scaredas:







now you claim an interim titile is a real title. too dumb to be stupid:deal

1.27 Inactivity of Champion. When a world champion is: a) inactive for more than six (6)
months but less than one (1) year, for certified medical reasons, or
b) for whatever legal impediment or other reason beyond his control is unable to
defend his championship within the time periods prescribed by these Rules and
Regulations, the WBC may determine an interim champion pursuant to Rule 1.25
hereof. When the champion returns (after having passed all medical examinations
if his inactivity was a result of medical reasons), the WBC will order a bout for its
undisputed world title with the interim champion entitled to forty-five percent (45%)
and the champion to fifty-five percent (55%) of the purse, in the event that the bout
is promoted through the WBC purse offer procedures.

Seems to me the WBC certainly sees the interim champion as a real champion. They even force the other champion to fight him upon his return or admission that he is staying at that weight. :deal

[Drew101]

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People should really read more of threads

read...so, tell me, what source did the author quote to substantiate his claim?

[Guru_Too_You]

His opposition wasn't great, but it wasn't horrible. Either way, it is always good to take on the other champions of your division regardless of their names because of what they could become even though they may not be big names then. Casa was still mentioned as a viable opponent. Jones made a career of fighting guys everyone said were nobodies who went on to win championships and now people are just starting to realize he actually fought alot of good fighters.....remember who Hopkins was to the public when Jones beat him.

My point is, better to fight an unbeaten champion than a contender who has already lost at the championship level. Yes, Hernandez would go on to win a title, but he was the choice over Casa (mandatories are ok, but if they strip you for fighting another champion, well you just take his belt) who was unbeaten and already a champion.

I agree with all of that. I've never once said that I'm glad he didnt fight them, I just think that the claim that he flat out ducked them is a bit much. I've seen one link verifying that Casamayor ever even mentioned Mayweather's name, and that was when Floyd was already at 147. Everything else is heresay, and personally, I don't remember Casamayor or Freitas clamoring for a bout with PBF while he was still at 130.

I wish he had fought them both, for there is little doubt in my mind that either of them would have beaten him at 130. He would have stopped Freitas IMHO in the mid rounds, and he would have won a close but clear decision over Casamayor.

[Guru_Too_You]

It was on every website at the time. 15rounds was the only one I could dig up, and trust me, it took a long time to do that.

I refuse to even discuss PBF supposedly ducking a lightweight when the bout was scheduled for welterweight. Casamayor had never even fought at 140, let alone 147. I'm just not going to this in further detail.

However, you've claimed now that Casamayor was calling out Mayweather while they were at 130 pounds at the same time. That I want to see substantiated. And the fact that you struggle so much to find these articles and interviews is not a good sign, for if it was as widespread as you claim it to be, there should be evidence to back your claims.

[Guru_Too_You]

It was down to two guys and the LW comes into fights at 145, Floyd started out at the same weight as the the LW, there's no size advantage there. This lightweight was one of TWO people considered to fight Floyd, so it's not calling out anymore, it goes beyond that, he was selected. Floyd chose to fight the lesser worn fighter out of two guys. I don't care if you don't wanna disscuss it anymore. :hi:
Floyd Mayweather is not capable of ducking a fighter that drew with Kid Diamond.

Period. Add an exclamation point when youre suggesting the bout was going to take place at 147. And the only article you have provided doesnt even have an author or any sources.

You want to talk about 130 or 135, so be it, but at 147? Youre tripping.

Again you don't believe me, maybe I should provide another link like I did with Casamayor and Mitchell thing to prove you wrong AGAIN. And it's well know it's harder to find older articles than newer ones.

Pretty sure I never said you were wrong and I was right, just asked for a link my friend, just asked for a link.

[Guru_Too_You]

Dude, fuck off. It was from a respected site, it was on b-talk and fightnews aswell. You just wanna believe what you wanna believe. Arum had an option on Casamayor cuz of the Diamond fight, put it together. :hi:

Alright dude, again, I'll give you that Casamayor was an OPTION at 147, but to say that he was ducked is ludicrous. There were two opponents, one looked like shit in his last bout, one looked decent. One had a proven record at 140, one had never campaigned there. Mayweather wanted a slick southpaw for his tune up, and in their last bouts, Mitchell looked slicker than Casamayor.

Again, at 130 or 135 you have a much better case.

[bigtime9]

Seems to me the WBC certainly sees the interim champion as a real champion. They even force the other champion to fight him upon his return or admission that he is staying at that weight. :deal

sorry kid, try again:rofl the real champ is the offical champ and takes precedence over any interim titlist:deal casamayor didn't become the official WBA champ until his fight with jwong kwon baek in may of 2000. and if shane is the real wbc champ how come the WBC didn't force floyd to fight him.

you sure are getting desperate.:lol:


oh and guru you are definitiely a bitch made mother-fucker:deal you can't even take care of a fucking lightweight like robbasehead. :lol:

[kg0208]

sorry kid, try again:rofl the real champ is the offical champ and takes precedence over any interim titlist:deal casamayor didn't become the official WBA champ until his fight with jwong kwon baek in may of 2000. and if shane is the real wbc champ how come the WBC didn't force floyd to fight him.

you sure are getting desperate.:lol:


oh and guru you are definitiely a bitch made mother-fucker:deal you can't even take care of a fucking lightweight like robbasehead. :lol:
They are both champs. The only reason there is an interim champion is because they are unsure of the champions status. If the interim champion becomes the ONLY champion, then all of his defenses count since he could certainly lose that title when he defends it.

Don't ask why the WBC did this or that, it's their rules, you ask them.

Either way, playing around with this still doesn't answer why PBF never fought Casamayor, as even with only 5 defense going by what you said, he had as many as Corrales and had his belt after PBF fought Corrales. You can't use Corrales cuz PBF could have fought him afterwards.

Chicken :good

[bigtime9]

They are both champs. The only reason there is an interim champion is because they are unsure of the champions status. If the interim champion becomes the ONLY champion, then all of his defenses count since he could certainly lose that title when he defends it.



wrong again..floyd is the wbc champ not mosley:rofl


Don't ask why the WBC did this or that, it's their rules, you ask them.


you brought it up bitch made now defend it:deal


Either way, playing around with this still doesn't answer why PBF never fought Casamayor, as even with only 5 defense going by what you said, he had as many as Corrales and had his belt after PBF fought Corrales. You can't use Corrales cuz PBF could have fought him afterwards.



floyd was the ring/lineal wbc champ at 130. he didn't have to fight the other title holders because they were all paper champs:deal floyd's first priority was the defense of the WBC strap not fighting casamayor who was not even considered a threat at the time until after he beat corrales his first real test:deal

[kg0208]

wrong again..floyd is the wbc champ not mosley:rofl




you brought it up bitch made now defend it:deal





floyd was the ring/lineal wbc champ at 130. he didn't have to fight the other title holders because they were all paper champs:deal floyd's first priority was the defense of the WBC strap not fighting casamayor who was not even considered a threat at the time until after he beat corrales his first real test:deal

Chicken:good

[Ramshall1]

It's all true but in the end I do know if his great fear could be justified. He should have just taken on his demons and faced him to silence the critics as well as any self-doubt he may have had.

if he wasnt a coward he would have fought him, if he wasnt a coward he wouldnt have shut his mouth when Winky accepted his challenge. . . . too bad he IS a coward.

[bigtime9]

Chicken

yeah, yeah you just lost another argument because your too dumb for stupid:nut :rofl I told you before you started that you weren't in my league:deal

now get the fuck back in your cage:deal

[bigtime9]

if he wasnt a coward he would have fought him, if he wasnt a coward he wouldnt have shut his mouth when Winky accepted his challenge. . . . too bad he IS a coward.

how many championship fights have you been in again:blood

[kg0208]

yeah, yeah you just lost another argument because your too dumb for stupid:nut :rofl I told you before you started that you weren't in my league:deal

now get the fuck back in your cage:deal

You always talk about no one being in your league. But you're too chicken to prove it.

Talk is cheap. Chicken :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Ramshall1]

how many championship fights have you been in again:blood

heres a simple question. . . what the fukc does that have to do with the point I made????

So if I question a politician, he can respond "How many times have you held public office??"

If you cant refute my point, either agree with it or move on.