I dont blame anybody for following MMA and not Boxing

[Solid Chin]

with all these stupid ass judges who dont know how to fucking score a fight, taking dirty money under the table to come up with ridiculous scorecards like 118-110 is there any wonder why most of the youth's are more interested in following MMA, a sport where at least the fighters get a fair shake.

Boxing is becoming like a stage show, almost like WWE, why do we even need judges, we should have seen this shit coming.

Like Paulie said all the chips are stacked against him but many many TRUE HARDCORE BOXING FANS who know how to score a fight will know that MALIGNAGGI WON THE FIGHT HANDS DOWN.

I see boxing pushing away more and more fans the more these type of decisions keep on happening. It will only be a matter of time until you see the shift. MMA is going to take over if boxing cannot get rid of the corruption.

I for one feel like enough is enough with these stupid scorecards being read out.
Too much corruption is still in the sport and its killing it slowly

[Imperial1]

And putting fighters on like ISHE SMITH who is as boring as they come doesn't help either ..

[Bad_Intentions]

agreed, :verysad.

[Little Pea]

And putting fighters on like ISHE SMITH who is as boring as they come doesn't help either ..

:huh excuse me but...i did'nt find Smith boring...

[Rooney]

Totally agree with you and this is my fear. It only ads more insult to the sport.

[walk with me]

ishe smith almost knocked dude out

[BlueApollo]

There is no decision bad enough to make me wake up one day and rather watch two dudes bearhugging inside of a cage instead of boxing.

[jimmie]

MMA has disgraceful decision too go watch Hamil vs Bisping, Hughes vs Serra.

[boxsensei]

with all these stupid ass judges who dont know how to fucking score a fight, taking dirty money under the table to come up with ridiculous scorecards like 118-110 is there any wonder why most of the youth's are more interested in following MMA, a sport where at least the fighters get a fair shake.

Boxing is becoming like a stage show, almost like WWE, why do we even need judges, we should have seen this shit coming.

Like Paulie said all the chips are stacked against him but many many TRUE HARDCORE BOXING FANS who know how to score a fight will know that MALIGNAGGI WON THE FIGHT HANDS DOWN.

I see boxing pushing away more and more fans the more these type of decisions keep on happening. It will only be a matter of time until you see the shift. MMA is going to take over if boxing cannot get rid of the corruption.

I for one feel like enough is enough with these stupid scorecards being read out.
Too much corruption is still in the sport and its killing it slowly

I agree that this type of s**t is not good for the sport. But MMA is not perfect. Its fighters are split up amongst multiple organizations and sometimes matchups people want to see don't get made. They have plenty of boring fights as well.

Boxing needs to go back to free TV' or at least have more big fights on basic cable in order to increase the popularity of its fighters beyond hardcore fans. By sticking all of the big fights on PPV or premium channels the sport is really missing out on getting more peoiple excited and into the sport.

MMA is becoming popular ( at least in the US) because it appeals mainly white people. Boxing is heavily populated by blacks, and Latinos. Even though there are plenty of good caucasian fighters, most of them are from Europe and therefore don't get the love from the US.

With all that said im still diehard boxing fan and will always be. I respect MMA, but in my opinion it just doesnt compare to the sweet science.

[ninerskeet]

It's getting harder and harder to defend the sport of boxing.

[Cubanborn87]

for the first time ever i have to agree with a statement like that

[painforall]

There is no decision bad enough to make me wake up one day and rather watch two dudes bear hugging inside of a cage instead of boxing.
...........

[scurlaruntings]

It's getting harder and harder to defend the sport of boxing.No its not. What is annoying is all the fickle fans who listen to all the hype and spin and repeat it as fact. Bad decisions happen in the fight game. Thats part of the business.

[SouthpawSlayer]

well said scurla

[achillesthegreat]

No its not. What is annoying is all the fickle fans who listen to all the hype and spin and repeat it as fact. Bad decisions happen in the fight game. Thats part of the business.

Thread finisher.

Come on lads, let's wrap it up and go home. Nothing left to see.

[latineg]

i wish i waz as loving as you however i just cant help thinking that i want all people that follow boxing to be burnt in hell

starting with bert sugar

then larry merchant

of course bring back howard cosell and chuck him in there

and letz not forget a naked screaming crying jim lapley being tossed into the roaring flamez

[RockyMarciano]

i wish i waz as loving as you however i just cant help thinking that i want all people that follow boxing to be burnt in hell

starting with bert sugar

then larry merchant

of course bring back howard cosell and chuck him in there

and letz not forget a naked screaming crying jim lapley being tossed into the roaring flamez


lol so you don't follow boxing? That explains a lot

[G.A.V.]

>Bad scorecards
>Belcher gets robbed by Sexyama

Yep, because boxing is the only sport with bad decisions.

[chimba]

MMA has disgraceful decision too go watch Hamil vs Bisping, Hughes vs Serra.


The first ones a disgrace, Hammil tooled Bisping.

Hughes/Serra ain't that bad (although I cannot stand Hughes). Its the same level as Hendo/Franklin which I felt Rich won

[Mob]

Exactly right.

Sure...every knowledgable fight fan knows that the sport of boxing contains the more skilled athletes.
But boxing now is dull, the judges are shit in close fights.....and it's all about dineros.


MMA is affordable......on TV much of the time......and exciting. The best usually face the best.

[cdnboxing]

Bad decisions in every combat sport. But last night was a disgrace.

[AJAX]

I cannot stand Hughes and hate him more then any other fighter but I felt he edged Serra in a very close fight and franklin and Hendo had a very close fight as well. I wouldn't call either one a robbery. Bisping-Hamill, that was a different story.

[Mob]

I cannot stand Hughes and hate him more then any other fighter but I felt he edged Serra in a very close fight and franklin and Hendo had a very close fight as well. I wouldn't call either one a robbery. Bisping-Hamill, that was a different story.



Yeah...Bisping-Hamill was a robbery. But considering where the fight was,...not surprising.

It happens in boxing all the time.

[HeavyT]

>Bad scorecards
>Belcher gets robbed by Sexyama

Yep, because boxing is the only sport with bad decisions.

I thought Akayama did enough to win... i may ahve to rewatch though...

[cdnboxing]

There are robberies in MMA but I wouldnt include Hughes/Serra or Hendo/Franklin as one of them.

In MMA, there are some highway robberies in smaller local shows i've attended in Quebec.

[achillesthegreat]

Hughes/Serra and Hendo/Franklin are close fights, not robberies.

[radab]

Difference with the Bisping Hammil robbery is the way EVERYONE kicked up such a fuss. Dana will have hated that, and make sure it doesnt happen again, unlike in boxing where it happens very often and has been going on for many decades

[achillesthegreat]

Difference with the Bisping Hammil robbery is the way EVERYONE kicked up such a fuss. Dana will have hated that, and make sure it doesnt happen again, unlike in boxing where it happens very often and has been going on for many decades

Not necessarily true. I didn't see no rematch. Didn't want to hurt the stock of his British poster boy?!

[scurlaruntings]

Difference with the Bisping Hammil robbery is the way EVERYONE kicked up such a fuss. Dana will have hated that, and make sure it doesnt happen again, unlike in boxing where it happens very often and has been going on for many decades
Thats absolute nonsense. In boxing the Judges are indepedant of the promoters the fighters, the sanctioning organisation on the line etc. You're talking a plethora of people who come together to make a whole that all have their own agenda. The UFC is the jury judge and executioner. They have to work with no one. Its not comparable in the slightest. Bad decisions happen in both sports.

[Dave_j1985]

Hughes edged Serra with his lay and prey tactics I thought.
I thought Akayama beat Belcher, despite how he looked after the fight.
Hamill was robbed plain and simnple, that was one of the worst decisions I've seen.

Both sports have bad decisions, it's the nature of the game unfortunetly.

[fatcity]

To casually accept decisions and fights which are clearly wrong is ridiculous.I can't recall a boxing promoter that slams his own shows and performances by some of the participants like Dana White does.
Give credit where credit is due.I prefer boxing but UFC is teaching boxing what it must do to improve the sport.:good

[scurlaruntings]

To casually accept decisions and fights which are clearly wrong is ridiculous.I can't recall a boxing promoter that slams his own shows and performances by some of the participants like Dana White does.
Give credit where credit is due.I prefer boxing but UFC is teaching boxing what it must do to improve the sport.:goodBecause a SPORT is run by one FRANCHISE/BRAND right? Honestly i this kind of reasoning is utterly shambolic.

[fatcity]

Because a SPORT is run by one FRANCHISE/BRAND right? Honestly i this kind of reasoning is utterly shambolic.
That's not the point.Promoters are promoters,regardless of the sport.Theyput on events for the consumers to purchase.Should the performance not be up to standard the promoter should apoligise to the paying customer and point out the difficientcies and promise to improve the product.UFC does this and boxing does not.Boxing takes the stand that this is just part of the game.I think this is utter bullshit and anyone who accepts this deserves to be ripped off and taken advantage of.

[scurlaruntings]

No that is VERY much the point. Your trying to put a simplistic spin on something that promoters have ZERO control over. The UFC is THEIR OWN PRODUCT that have to respect the interests of no one but themselves. Surely even you can see that. Boxing as a sport doesnt have that luxury and never will. Theres no way to compare and economic model like the UFC with the sport of boxing. Thats just assbackwards.

[brixtonbeat]

^^ Dude, we get it. Everytime I read your posts you refer to UFC AS A BRAND and boxing AS A SPORT. How many times do you plan on mentioning that?

[scurlaruntings]

^^ Dude, we get it. Everytime I read your posts you refer to UFC AS A BRAND and boxing AS A SPORT. How many times do you plan on mentioning that?
Did someone rattle your cage? Was i talking to you? Nah i didnt think so.

[achillesthegreat]

No that is VERY much the point. Your trying to put a simplistic spin on something that promoters have ZERO control over. The UFC is THEIR OWN PRODUCT that have to respect the interests of no one but themselves. Surely even you can see that. Boxing as a sport doesnt have that luxury and never will. Theres no way to compare and economic model like the UFC with the sport of boxing. Thats just assbackwards.

You are right.

UFC is one organisation. If Strikeforce, Affliction etc etc became big then the same battle between them will unfold like the battle between big promoters in boxing. Fights not happening, fighters jumping ship etc

At present the UFC have a monopoly and everything they do benefits them.

Arum does the same sort of in house quality fights. If he pretty much owned boxing ala UFC then he would do it on a bigger scale.

[scurlaruntings]

You are right.

UFC is one organisation. If Strikeforce, Affliction etc etc became big then the same battle between them will unfold like the battle between big promoters in boxing. Fights not happening, fighters jumping ship etc

At present the UFC have a monopoly and everything they do benefits them.

Arum does the same sort of in house quality fights. If he pretty much owned boxing ala UFC then he would do it on a bigger scale.The UFC have refused to cross promote with ANY other organisations. They wouldnt even work with WAMMA to sanction fights for the overall good of all the organisations in MMA. They refused point blank to work with M1 even though Fedor was at stake. And yet "MMA fans" repeat the same tired lines that boxing can learn something from the UFC. Yeah sure it can.. :roll:

[achillesthegreat]

The UFC have refused to cross promote with ANY other organisations. They wouldnt even work with WAMMA to sanction fights for the overall good of all the organisations in MMA. They refused point blank to work with M1 even though Fedor was at stake. And yet "MMA fans" repeat the same tired lines that boxing can learn something from the UFC. Yeah sure it can.. :roll:

Look at the uproar when Top Rank won't work with Mayweather Promotions to make Mayweather v Pacquiao BUT when it's UFC not working with M1 there is no problem.

[scurlaruntings]

Look at the uproar when Top Rank won't work with Mayweather Promotions to make Mayweather v Pacquiao BUT when it's UFC not working with M1 there is no problem.UFC fans seem to conviniently forget this fact. Boxing promotions work together ALL the time. There are some exceptions and occasionally a conflict of interests. The UFC though refuses point blank to work with anyone. How can that be for the best interests of MMA? And why do most seem to casually dismiss or forget this fact?

[AJAX]

UFC fans seem to conviniently forget this fact. Boxing promotions work together ALL the time. There are some exceptions and occasionally a conflict of interests. The UFC though refuses point blank to work with anyone. How can that be for the best interests of MMA? And why do most seem to casually dismiss or forget this fact?

It's not just the promotions that have to work together it's the ABC's, they throw alot of wrenches in fights that could be made. I was reading a post in the boxing forum about how John ruiz might screw up the Valuev-Hay fight because they want to fight NV first. The last thing anyone wants to see is Valuev-Ruiz 3.

[scurlaruntings]

It's not just the promotions that have to work together it's the ABC's, they throw alot of wrenches in fights that could be made. I was reading a post in the boxing forum about how John ruiz might screw up the Valuev-Hay fight because they want to fight NV first. The last thing anyone wants to see is Valuev-Ruiz 3.I totally agree. But the problem with that isnt actually the WBA. They couldnt care less what they sanction as they'll make a fee either way, and more so if Valuev Haye takes place. The problem is John Ruiz. The UFC wont have problems like that because none of their fighters are free agents and they dont have to worry about any 3rd party bodies when making a fight.

[latineg]

lol so you don't follow boxing? That explains a lot

i couldnt even name you one boxer

boxer annoncerz now thatz a whole other story

dam how could i have missed that max idiot and harold letterman and his dam daughter burn the lot i say !!!

[achillesthegreat]

UFC fans seem to conviniently forget this fact. Boxing promotions work together ALL the time. There are some exceptions and occasionally a conflict of interests. The UFC though refuses point blank to work with anyone. How can that be for the best interests of MMA? And why do most seem to casually dismiss or forget this fact?

The UFC have a monopoly on MMA and working with anyone else endangers that.

They said they wanted to keep Pride running as a seperate entity but I think that is bullshit. They wrapped that shit up, took their fighters, unified the champs and now Pride is a memory other than a few former Pride people creating Dream. All this enhanced their chokehold on the game.

[scurlaruntings]

The UFC have a monopoly on MMA and working with anyone else endangers that.

They said they wanted to keep Pride running as a seperate entity but I think that is bullshit. They wrapped that shit up, took their fighters, unified the champs and now Pride is a memory other than a few former Pride people creating Dream. All this enhanced their chokehold on the game.The word is PRIDE was a dead weight and not cost effective for them to run.. Who knows im not privvy to the UFC's balance sheet but il take that with a scoop of salt. Funny thing is now the UFC is rerunning all the PRIDE footage they bought in the hope of garnering more fans. Its just one massive PR gimmick. It would have been better in the long term for both organisations to co-exist together though. I cant see DREAM being around for long because there stable is sooo thin and there recycling the dregs of whats left.

[fatcity]

No that is VERY much the point. Your trying to put a simplistic spin on something that promoters have ZERO control over. The UFC is THEIR OWN PRODUCT that have to respect the interests of no one but themselves. Surely even you can see that. Boxing as a sport doesnt have that luxury and never will. Theres no way to compare and economic model like the UFC with the sport of boxing. Thats just assbackwards.
Are you suggesting that boxing promoters do not have control over what they pay the fighters and how they market the event?That is just nonsense.Suggesting that MMA is not a sport is silly.The fact you say the UFC is a brand and therefor is not responsible to anyone but themselves makes their position even harder ,not easier.A few miss steps and they would be out of biz.Why is it that defend the boxing promoter if he is too stupid to take care of his product and overpays for the event,and yet shit on the UFC for making very astute decisions and taking the money to banks in car loads.Did Don King,years ago not have a monopoly on the heavy title as well as taking most of the tv dates,freezing out the majority of promoters?GBP is currently attempting to do the same.Jusy my opinion but it seems to me that the UFC should be applauded for their remarkable efforts and stratagy-something boxing could learn from.The proof is in the profits-on a monthly basis,not a yearly basis.

[scurlaruntings]

Are you suggesting that boxing promoters do not have control over what they pay the fighters and how they market the event?That is just nonsense.Suggesting that MMA is not a sport is silly.The fact you say the UFC is a brand and therefor is not responsible to anyone but themselves makes their position even harder ,not easier.A few miss steps and they would be out of biz.Why is it that defend the boxing promoter if he is too stupid to take care of his product and overpays for the event,and yet shit on the UFC for making very astute decisions and taking the money to banks in car loads.Did Don King,years ago not have a monopoly on the heavy title as well as taking most of the tv dates,freezing out the majority of promoters?GBP is currently attempting to do the same.Jusy my opinion but it seems to me that the UFC should be applauded for their remarkable efforts and stratagy-something boxing could learn from.The proof is in the profits-on a monthly basis,not a yearly basis.You have basic comprehensions skills no? Learn to read. I never once said MMA is NOT A SPORT. I said the UFC is NOT a sport. It is not because it is a BRAND that operates within the sport of MMA.

[fatcity]

You have basic comprehensions skills no? Learn to read. I never once said MMA is NOT A SPORT. I said the UFC is NOT a sport. It is not because it is a BRAND that operates within the sport of MMA.
Tomatoe -tomato.Your nitpicking and attempting to skewer the UFC is so obvious and biased it has jealousy and envy written all over it.So,then,by your standards Top Rank,GBP,Don King,etc are also "brands" working within the sport as well.Big fucking revelation.:patsch
Bottom line is the UFC has taken over the "combat sports" world in terms of marketing,revenues and big name attractions,with a President in Dana White who takes responsibilty for his events.
Get it?Good.:deal

[scurlaruntings]

Tomatoe -tomato.Your nitpicking and attempting to skewer the UFC is so obvious and biased it has jealousy and envy written all over it.So,then,by your standards Top Rank,GBP,Don King,etc are also "brands" working within the sport as well.Big fucking revelation.:patsch
Bottom line is the UFC has taken over the "combat sports" world in terms of marketing,revenues and big name attractions,with a President in Dana White who takes responsibilty for his events.
Get it?Good.:dealThats just absolute rubbish. You cant seem to grasp the basic concept of a sport vs a promotional brand and the much finer intricacies involved in boxing than the UFC in regards to HOW fights are out together and promoted. You laud the UFC as a standard that boxing should adhere to and yet the UFC refuses point blank to work with ANY OTHER organisation be it a promotion or a sanctioning body. Yes i can see your logic now.

[fatcity]

Thats just absolute rubbish. You cant seem to grasp the basic concept of a sport vs a promotional brand and the much finer intricacies involved in boxing than the UFC in regards to HOW fights are out together and promoted. You laud the UFC as a standard that boxing should adhere to and yet the UFC refuses point blank to work with ANY OTHER organisation be it a promotion or a sanctioning body. Yes i can see your logic now.
The UFC doesn't have to cross promote with another organisation,so why they should they?They have the superior product and the bottom line tells them that.They have attempted to secure the services of other than UFC fighters to no avail.Why?Simply because the rightsholder of the other fighter wants a piece of UFC's action without ever having contributed to the UFC organisation.Your logic holds no merit what so ever.
Simply put,the UFC prefers to promote by themselves,since when is this a criminal act?Affliction tried and failed to compete and others will follow.Don't blame the UFC for it's success.

[achillesthegreat]

FOR EXAMPLE doesn't the ABC's choose the judges in boxing but UFC choose the judges for their title fights?!?!

[scurlaruntings]

The UFC doesn't have to cross promote with another organisation,so why they should they?They have the superior product and the bottom line tells them that.They have attempted to secure the services of other than UFC fighters to no avail.Why?Simply because the rightsholder of the other fighter wants a piece of UFC's action without ever having contributed to the UFC organisation.Your logic holds no merit what so ever.
Simply put,the UFC prefers to promote by themselves,since when is this a criminal act?Affliction tried and failed to compete and others will follow.Don't blame the UFC for it's success.:lol::lol:

[AJAX]

:lol::lol:

that's usually your best response when someone makes a good point or arguement towards you.

[fatcity]

that's usually your best response when someone makes a good point or arguement towards you.
Don't worry my friend,we are all used to his rants and his one way point of views.This is the only way he can respond to logic.:good

[scurlaruntings]

that's usually your best response when someone makes a good point or arguement towards you.Yaaaaaaaaawn. Thats my response because the point was laughable and not even worthy of debating ad naseum. No one rattled your cage. If you have something to add to the debate seeing as your a UFC employee then please do. Otherwise wind your neck in. Iv made my point ad infinitum i dont have to repeat myself if "fans" like yourself arent capable of understanding basic concepts as a SPORT vs a Promotion.

[cdnboxing]

That's not the point.Promoters are promoters,regardless of the sport.Theyput on events for the consumers to purchase.Should the performance not be up to standard the promoter should apoligise to the paying customer and point out the difficientcies and promise to improve the product.UFC does this and boxing does not.Boxing takes the stand that this is just part of the game.I think this is utter bullshit and anyone who accepts this deserves to be ripped off and taken advantage of.

What?

Boxing is a sport. Why should a promoter apologize if 2 fighters just so happen to put on a boring show? Thats not his problem.

You dont see David Stern or Roger Goodell coming out bashing the Super Bowl or the NBA finals if it didnt meet expectations. Athletes/fighters do what they do to win, if it wasnt exciting, its not their problem.

They dont have to apologize at all. The fact that Dana does this makes him an idiot and its frankly embarassing.

[codeman99998]

What?

Boxing is a sport. Why should a promoter apologize if 2 fighters just so happen to put on a boring show? Thats not his problem.

You dont see David Stern or Roger Goodell coming out bashing the Super Bowl or the NBA finals if it didnt meet expectations. Athletes/fighters do what they do to win, if it wasnt exciting, its not their problem.

They dont have to apologize at all. The fact that Dana does this makes him an idiot and its frankly embarassing.

That's naive. Boxing and MMA are sports, true. But this isn't the olympics, this is a professional sport and it requires fans that want to watch it. Boxing and MMA are also businesses. When the NHL started losing tons of fans, they changed the rules so there would be more scoring. The NFL a few years ago changed a rule that affects pass interference, helping Peyton Manning throw for more touchdowns than any QB in one season.

It is an athlete's problem if a fight isn't exciting. Look at Lyoto Machida for instance. People thought he was NEVER going to get a title shot just because he was so boring. A win is almost always better for a fighter than a loss, but a spectacular fight that happens to be a loss can be as good for a fighters fan base (and therefore, perhaps, his future salary) as a very boring win.

[scurlaruntings]

That's naive. Boxing and MMA are sports, true. But this isn't the olympics, this is a professional sport and it requires fans that want to watch it. Boxing and MMA are also businesses. When the NHL started losing tons of fans, they changed the rules so there would be more scoring. The NFL a few years ago changed a rule that affects pass interference, helping Peyton Manning throw for more touchdowns than any QB in one season.

It is an athlete's problem if a fight isn't exciting. Look at Lyoto Machida for instance. People thought he was NEVER going to get a title shot just because he was so boring. A win is almost always better for a fighter than a loss, but a spectacular fight that happens to be a loss can be as good for a fighters fan base (and therefore, perhaps, his future salary) as a very boring win.Note the NBA NFL are governing leagues. Boxing as a sport has no governance. But the fighters of old knew that if they didnt put on a show a portion of their purse was witheld. PRIDE used to do that with the yellow card and red card.

[fatcity]

What?

Boxing is a sport. Why should a promoter apologize if 2 fighters just so happen to put on a boring show? Thats not his problem.

You dont see David Stern or Roger Goodell coming out bashing the Super Bowl or the NBA finals if it didnt meet expectations. Athletes/fighters do what they do to win, if it wasnt exciting, its not their problem.

They dont have to apologize at all. The fact that Dana does this makes him an idiot and its frankly embarassing.
Yes,God forbid a promoter taking responsibility for the product they present to the PAYING public.:patsch

[Dave_j1985]

That's naive. Boxing and MMA are sports, true. But this isn't the olympics, this is a professional sport and it requires fans that want to watch it. Boxing and MMA are also businesses. When the NHL started losing tons of fans, they changed the rules so there would be more scoring. The NFL a few years ago changed a rule that affects pass interference, helping Peyton Manning throw for more touchdowns than any QB in one season.

It is an athlete's problem if a fight isn't exciting. Look at Lyoto Machida for instance. People thought he was NEVER going to get a title shot just because he was so boring. A win is almost always better for a fighter than a loss, but a spectacular fight that happens to be a loss can be as good for a fighters fan base (and therefore, perhaps, his future salary) as a very boring win.

This is very true, MMA fighter's don't seem to worry about protecting a 0 in their losses column as much because they know if they put on a good show they'll be back in the UFC/Pride.

Unfortunetly in boxing, if a top fighter loses a fight people are calling for his retirement.

[scurlaruntings]

This is very true, MMA fighter's don't seem to worry about protecting a 0 in their losses column as much because they know if they put on a good show they'll be back in the UFC/Pride.

Unfortunetly in boxing, if a top fighter loses a fight people are calling for his retirement.Yeah right. If fighter A doesnt make the UFC money they get ditched point blank. The UFC went through a massive cull recently. PRIDE had a more loyalty to their stable than the UFC. But by and large if you dont make the UFC money you go. The actual record is fairly immaterial. You only have to look at Randy's record for proof of this. But Randy's a guy who makes them money.

The problem with boxing is "promoters" like ****** who put sooo much emphasis on the zero. If the fighter is exciting ala Gatti he'll always sell tickets.

[cdnboxing]

Yes,God forbid a promoter taking responsibility for the product they present to the PAYING public.:patsch

You have alot to learn.

[Vitor Belfort]

It happens in every fighting sports. UFC has had bad scorecards too. I saw the hamill-bisping fight and it was in england. Hamill clearly won the fight but the decision was given to bisping. Just like the homecook decision picking diaz over malignaggi.

If it's a big fight then it shouldn't be in somebody's hometown. Las Vegas or even L.A would have been a good place to have the malignaggi-diaz fight.

[codeman99998]

It happens in every fighting sports. UFC has had bad scorecards too. I saw the hamill-bisping fight and it was in england. Hamill clearly won the fight but the decision was given to bisping. Just like the homecook decision picking diaz over malignaggi.

If it's a big fight then it shouldn't be in somebody's hometown. Las Vegas or even L.A would have been a good place to have the malignaggi-diaz fight.

Yes, the UFC has bad scorecards too sometimes but seriously it seems like the only huge robbery anyone can think of is Hammil-Bisping.

[fatcity]

You have alot to learn.
Good grief!:patsch
You just don't get it,do you.:nut

[James23]

Did someone rattle your cage? Was i talking to you? Nah i didnt think so.

Still didn't answer his question.

[cdnboxing]

And really, its not like Dana apologizes after every bad card. Hes apologized for 2 of the most embarassing fights ive ever seen. Starnes/Quarry and Silva/Leites. Its not like hes sitting there making public announcements after every boring fight.

Is it really any different than what GBP or Lou Dibella did on Saturday Night? They apologized for the ridiculous decision, talked about how it hurts the integrity of the sport etc. And taking away the judges decision that was actually a real good fight. But they felt they need to apologize.

The bottom line is, boxing just like MMA can have boring fights but that is absolutely no reason to apologize. If its a boring fight, its a boring fight. The fact people feel its important for someone to apologize for having a boring fight or game is pathetic and embarassing. And it really only happens from the MMA side because their fans are so fickle, spoiled and have low attention spans. They need to grow up.

Like I said earlier, its not like sport commissioners are coming out and apologizing for teams putting on bad performances. Shit happens, thats what happens in SPORTS.

[cdnboxing]

Yes, the UFC has bad scorecards too sometimes but seriously it seems like the only huge robbery anyone can think of is Hammil-Bisping.

There are only a handful of robberies in MMA.

But Boxing is far more difficult to judge. Thousands of punches are being thrown, some may land, some may not but its nearly impossible to judge when things are happening at such a fast clip. In MMA, its quite easy to judge a fight and thats why people like Cecil Peoples are so retarded because they still manage to fuck things up.

Both sports are corrupt in their own little ways.

[codeman99998]

If its a boring fight, its a boring fight. The fact people feel its important for someone to apologize for having a boring fight or game is pathetic and embarassing. And it really only happens from the MMA side because their fans are so fickle, spoiled and have low attention spans. They need to grow up.

This shit aint free. If something is boring then most people won't want to pay for it. If a certain promotion is consistently putting out boring fights, or consistently having poor decisions, then fans will stop paying for it. They don't need to "grow up". They pay to be entertained, and as such, if they aren't entertained then they didn't get their money's worth and they have some cause for concern.

Do you think promoters like it when their fans are dissatisfied with their product?

I understand, to a degree, the argument that fans are fickle and have low attention spans, but sometimes a fight is just a bad fight. Fans that boo every time a fight hits the ground probably need to grow up and recognize what sport they are watching. Fans that boo everytime there is more than 3 seconds without punches being traded need to get their head out of their asses. But fans that are pissed about terrible decisions, or boring cards where the fighters refuse to fight, or terrible matchups being made that make no sense, those fans are justified in their complaints. We are paying customers, and it matters very much to the promoters that we KEEP paying and if they push an inferior product than they should be worried that we would complain with more than just our voices, but by no longer paying for their events.

Not that I think the UFC or even most boxing promoters are so corrupt/incompetent that I would consider, at this point, no longer paying for it.