The "Bible of Boxing" Loses its Credibility

[Thread Stealer]

Whatever it gained back after the late 70s scandal, it lost again.

I dunno why the other thread was deleted. This is a legitimate topic of discussion in boxing.

How are you going to be OWNED by the largest promotional company and be neutral?

GBP already has enough influence at HBO. Now the Golden Mafia has spread its wings over to the biggest boxing magazine.

Screw The Ring

[Guru_Too_You]

Whatever it gained back after the late 70s scandal, it lost again.

I dunno why the other thread was deleted. This is a legitimate topic of discussion in boxing.

How are you going to be OWNED by the largest promotional company and be neutral?

GBP already has enough influence at HBO. Now the Golden Mafia has spread its wings over to the biggest boxing magazine.

Screw The Ring

This is horrendous news.

[Astola]

Screw the Ring. It had an excellent oportunity to change things but totally blew it.

[Shake]

Bert Sugar's fedora must be turning in its closet. :bart

[Lampley]

Where has this been published? Awful, awful news if true. You can communicate with them, you can allow them to advertise, but you can't be OWNED by them!

[Shake]

I've always trusted the Ring myself. But whatever it was, it died tonight.

[PolishPummler]

Amazing that before he even gets a fair shake you guys are writing this off simply because it's Hoya.

[Lampley]

I would be very concerned about this if I were a different promoter. This creates all kinds of scenarios for undue influence.

It's no different from the ABCs being on the take -- and I guess this is better because the control is transparent -- but I had held The Ring to a higher standard than that.

Times must have been very hard around there.

[Lampley]

b-scene.

Damn. Thx.

[Thread Stealer]

Amazing that before he even gets a fair shake you guys are writing this off simply because it's Hoya.

Yeah sure, it's merely because it's De La Hoya.

I mean no one would have a problem if Don King, Gary Shaw, Frank ******, or Bob Arum purchased The Ring. :roll:

The Ring really has a great history when it comes to promoters' influence.:roll:

[Lampley]

Amazing that before he even gets a fair shake you guys are writing this off simply because it's Hoya.
The fact that it's GBP makes no difference at all. It could be any promoter and it would violate journalistic independence.

We've seen how the controlling influence can taint news, as evidenced every day by Rupert Murdoch and Fox. Or Disney and ABC/ESPN. Integrity goes out the window to make way for the bottom line.

I'll miss you, The Ring.

[PolishPummler]

Maybe Oscar will actually now make the "Ring Champs" actaully defend there titles against worthy opponents that are in the same weight class(B-HOP)

There rankings have always been OK but there belts are garbage.The Ring is just another ABC without the ABC.

[PolishPummler]

Yeah sure, it's merely because it's De La Hoya.

I mean no one would have a problem if Don King, Gary Shaw, Frank ******, or Bob Arum purchased The Ring. :roll:

The Ring really has a great history when it comes to promoters' influence.:roll:

I do know you would be less angry if it were anybody BUT Hoya:thumbsup

[PolishPummler]

Its already on the ESB front page!

[kg0208]

ANY promoter owning Ring is horrible.

[Thread Stealer]

I do know you would be less angry if it were anybody BUT Hoya:thumbsup

You have this idea that I hate Oscar, but it's more his ignorant fanatics that I hate. I just enjoy making fun of them because they're so stupid and know so little about their own subject matter.

Here's my list of most hated promoters:

1) Don King
2) Bob Arum
3) Gary Shaw
4) Richard Schaefer

Oscar is a big part of the Golden Mafia, but Richard is the true evil genius behind the corporaton.

[Shake]

I trust De la Hoya more than other promoters, but a promoter has no business being near an independent observer of the sport. Once the active promoter purchases said independent observer of the sport, it instantly ceases to be objective.

[kg0208]

You know they are gonna buy ESB now.....

[Thread Stealer]

What was the scandal in the 1970s? I wasnt old enough to know what happened

Don King bought the ratings.

[Jose FM]

Usually people that own creditable publications dont influence the creative process. So i dont think its that important, the only reason why its big news is cause Oscar owns it now.

Haha, somewhere Presscot (fagcock) is shittin himself!

[PolishPummler]

You have this idea that I hate Oscar, but it's more his ignorant fanatics that I hate. I just enjoy making fun of them because they're so stupid and know so little about their own subject matter.

Here's my list of most hated promoters:

1) Don King
2) Bob Arum
3) Gary Shaw
4) Richard Schaefer

Oscar is a big part of the Golden Mafia, but Richard is the true evil genius behind the corporaton.

No matter what he does you will critize him.

This is no different.

[El Presidente]

You know they are gonna buy ESB now.....can you imagine jaja

[Thread Stealer]

No matter what he does you will critize him.

This is no different.

Examples please?

[C Money]

Honestly?? I'm kind of Glad!!! Why?? Because IMO too many were willing to simply rely on RING when it's always been a magazine and subject plenty of flaws.

Overall, I generally respected it as a magazine and felt their rankings were generally better than most org shit but I never felt following Ring was the saviour of boxing:nono

Now, i hear the grumblings that indicate most fans will sour on that idea as well:good

What Boxing needs is a NATIONAL COMMISSION(NFL style) which is above the orgs, networks, the mags, the promoters, and state commissions. One that lays down and enforces the rules and protects the integrity of the sport.The orgs, Ring, and the usual cast of players can still exist within the structure but the power and abuse of it would be shut down.

We are a long way from that unfortunately, but now that Ring's integrity is again questioned?? Perhaps real fans, and those who care about boxing, will start to find an alternative solution to the sports problems rather than just say "Ring Champ" or Ring this, and Ring that:good

[kg0208]

Usually people that own creditable publications dont influence the creative process. So i dont think its that important, the only reason why its big news is cause Oscar owns it now.

Haha, somewhere Presscot (fagcock) is shittin himself!

But now people are going to question things. It is the way of the beast and that in itself is bad for the sport. I mean, some questioned it because they thought it was biased towards Americans. But even then, that is not as bad as the kind of questions it will get now.

[kg0208]

Honestly?? I'm kind of Glad!!! Why?? Because IMO too many were willing to simply rely on RING when it's always been a magazine and subject plenty of flaws.

Overall, I generally respected it as a magazine and felt their rankings were generally better than most org shit but I never felt following Ring was the saviour of boxing:nono

Now, i hear the grumblings that indicate most fans will sour on that idea as well:good

What Boxing needs is a NATIONAL COMMISSION(NFL style) which is above the orgs, networks, the mags, the promoters, and state commissions. One that lays down and enforces the rules and protects the integrity of the sport.The orgs, Ring, and the usual cast of players can still exist within the structure but the power and abuse of it would be shut down.

We are a long way from that unfortunately, but now that Ring's integrity is again questioned?? Perhaps real fans, and those who care about boxing, will start to find an alternative solution to the sports problems rather than just say "Ring Champ" or Ring this, and Ring that:good

It wasn't the savior, but I'll put it like this.

If you have a 10 girls to pick from to go to the prom. 9 are ugly and 1 is average, you are most likely taking the average chick.

Ring wasn't perfect, but it was better than the alternative.

[Chiko_Tech]

No more credibility to the ring magazine, now you will see Golden boys fighters ranked at the top and maybe awarded with the ring belt, or start a organization with the ring belt, just like the other organizations.

[Jose FM]

But now people are going to question things. It is the way of the beast and that in itself is bad for the sport. I mean, some questioned it because they thought it was biased towards Americans. But even then, that is not as bad as the kind of questions it will get now.
Yeah i guess one would definately think that, but the only reason why its an issue its cause a promotional company is gonna own it, but even today its very flawed. So now like before the people that read The Ring, its rankings and editorials will have to use their brains and not buy into everything that its selling, we all have brains afterall! I think it speak more about Oscar's commitment to boxing than anything else.

[Richel Hersisia]

Honestly?? I'm kind of Glad!!! Why?? Because IMO too many were willing to simply rely on RING when it's always been a magazine and subject plenty of flaws.

Overall, I generally respected it as a magazine and felt their rankings were generally better than most org shit but I never felt following Ring was the saviour of boxing:nono

Now, i hear the grumblings that indicate most fans will sour on that idea as well:good

What Boxing needs is a NATIONAL COMMISSION(NFL style) which is above the orgs, networks, the mags, the promoters, and state commissions. One that lays down and enforces the rules and protects the integrity of the sport.The orgs, Ring, and the usual cast of players can still exist within the structure but the power and abuse of it would be shut down.

We are a long way from that unfortunately, but now that Ring's integrity is again questioned?? Perhaps real fans, and those who care about boxing, will start to find an alternative solution to the sports problems rather than just say "Ring Champ" or Ring this, and Ring that:good

National commision ( NFL style ) ???

Boxing is one of the few sports where anyone from any country can compete against anyone from any country anytime.
Boxing has been held up by mexican, puerto rican, english, philipinnos and now russian boxing fans. And you want an american national commision to control it??

Maybe the money is still in america, but the boxing passion is NOT!!

[Blacc Jesus]

ANY promoter owning Ring is horrible.
co sign

[cross_trainer]

Interesting. Now Golden Boy has another piece of the boxing landscape, and is turning into a promotional giant equivalent to Arum or King. May end up being a good thing for boxing, since market competitiveness could force more big fights to be made.

On the other hand, The Ring is now competely shot as an objective source.

[Fedor Em]

Shame, Ring magazine has been one of the finest parts of boxing over the last 85 years, they have always had the finest champions (much more so than any ABC organization). Some how I think that will change now. One fight at 154 against a top 10 and don't be suprised if Oscar is the "ring" champion. No promoter should have anything to do with the Ring. Horrible day for boxing.

[Thom]

Usually people that own creditable publications dont influence the creative process. So i dont think its that important, the only reason why its big news is cause Oscar owns it now.

Haha, somewhere Presscot (fagcock) is shittin himself!

Yeah, that sounds reasonable to me. Like, off the top of my head I could say that a mogul like, Rupert Murdoch, has never done anything to influence what's printed or reported in any of the legitimate media outlets that he owns. That's why no one gave a shit when he stated his intentions to aquire the Wall Street Journal. Are you honestly naive or just fucking stupid? I'm having a hard time making a decision.

And to the notion that anyone who has posted a negative opinion of this development is "only pissed because it's Oscar," I say give me a fucking break. Would you be happy if DKP or Top Rank bought The Ring? Chirst, if King were involved, this thread would already be 20 pages long.

I always thought that the invective hurled at the DLH fans was out of line, but some of them really are fucking crazy.

[Fedor Em]

Interesting. Now Golden Boy has another piece of the boxing landscape, and is turning into a promotional giant equivalent to Arum or King. May end up being a good thing for boxing, since market competitiveness could force more big fights to be made.

On the other hand, The Ring is now competely shot as an objective source.

I know, I could always open up the Ring find very credable sources, good articles with very little bias for the most part, and great top 10 rankings with only the most accomplished being able to say they have the "ring" belt. This truly saddens me.

[freddy-wak]

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Who Gives A Fuck

[cross_trainer]

Really












Who Gives A Fuck

Well, as right now we won't have an objective source listing a decent top 10 to refer to. When looking at past fighters' records, we have been able to say "so-and-so beat X number of Ring-ranked fighters". Now that option is gone to assess present fighters.

[C Money]

It wasn't the savior, but I'll put it like this.

If you have a 10 girls to pick from to go to the prom. 9 are ugly and 1 is average, you are most likely taking the average chick.

Ring wasn't perfect, but it was better than the alternative.

No argument there.

Yet, it wasnt and shouldnt have been the end. The sport needs reformed and IMO too many were content to pigfuck the average chick instead of searching for a better option:good

Now that she's lost some appeal? Maybe there's more incentive to seek out newer and better things. Well, I can dream at least, right??:lol:

[C Money]

National commision ( NFL style ) ???

Boxing is one of the few sports where anyone from any country can compete against anyone from any country anytime.
Boxing has been held up by mexican, puerto rican, english, philipinnos and now russian boxing fans. And you want an american national commision to control it??

Maybe the money is still in america, but the boxing passion is NOT!!

My comment wasnt designed to give the answer, merely to point out a better one is needed.

A correction based on you're post, INTERNATIONAL COMMISSION. I use the NFL example because it is among, if not the most well managed professional sports. Simply a model, not the ANSWER.

I have no prejudice to the American or whatever routine that many on this site partake in(mostly non americans):nono IMO being in the ring supercedes all the bullshit of race, nationality, faith, etc. The sport has been full of great champions from all walks of life and I welcome the global perspective.

[pipe wrenched]

ANY promoter owning Ring is horrible.

No doubt KG. I started a thread a few days ago asking everyone thier experience with getting thier issues. I ordered subscription in early June and still haven't gotten one! I took someones advice and called the number on the website and they told me the first issue i will get is November's!! Sons a bitches!!:twisted: And now I find out that more of my money is headed straight for Oscar's pockets.:-( As I stated in my thread I live in West Virginia and looked EVERYWHERE to buy one and have never anywhere in my region found an outlet, hence the decision to subscribe online. I had better be friggin impressed with it when it finally comes, because for one I feel like a damn tard running for my mail box day after day only to be disappointed.

[Jose FM]

Yeah, that sounds reasonable to me. Like, off the top of my head I could say that a mogul like, Rupert Murdoch, has never done anything to influence what's printed or reported in any of the legitimate media outlets that he owns. That's why no one gave a shit when he stated his intentions to aquire the Wall Street Journal. Are you honestly naive or just fucking stupid? I'm having a hard time making a decision.

And to the notion that anyone who has posted a negative opinion of this development is "only pissed because it's Oscar," I say give me a fucking break. Would you be happy if DKP or Top Rank bought The Ring? Chirst, if King were involved, this thread would already be 20 pages long.

I always thought that the invective hurled at the DLH fans was out of line, but some of them really are fucking crazy.
Lol, funny, one tries to be positive on here and some jaggoff takes what you say and spins the shit. I know about Rubert Murdoch i dont live under a rock you know, and guess what anytime hes asssociated with anything one knows to not use the info as a primary source unless its fact. I wont read the New York Post to get news, i would get it cause they sensationalize and its cheap, but i would listen to what Forbes, the Times, cnn, etc over anything that doesnt have the respectability.
Jesus dood, this will be a good thing, Oscar has plenty of experience taking things of the ground, maybe thisll be spark for the Ring, its exposure, and worldwide reach! Boxing Fans are damned if they do damned if they dont. Someone is trying to do something good here and just cause its OSCAR people hating like boxing is over now! Get over yyourself! GBP gonna own American boxing, people that cant see that are blind.

[Dorfmeister]

Whatever it gained back after the late 70s scandal, it lost again.

I dunno why the other thread was deleted. This is a legitimate topic of discussion in boxing.

How are you going to be OWNED by the largest promotional company and be neutral?

GBP already has enough influence at HBO. Now the Golden Mafia has spread its wings over to the biggest boxing magazine.

Screw The Ring

Brother, I could not have said it better - No way these threads should be deleted nor our lips should be sealed - The Ring Magazine already has started up a major turmoil in boxing that has not been a positive revolution in my view - "The Pound For Pound Ratings" which most of all have generated matches that don't go accordingly to box reasonability but just to collect dollars from pay per view customers and to make their careers as profitable, business wise and clownish as possible... Now, an independent press release is under a major promotional company? Goodbye neutrality and goodbye Ring Magazine, so long for now HBO crew...

[psychopath]

Therefore the "RING" is no longer independent . . . FUCK the RING!

:yep

[PolishPummler]

Examples please?

If you call them the Golden Mafia need we really discuss this?

[Thread Stealer]

If you call them the Golden Mafia need we really discuss this?

I actually prefer Golden Snaggle Tooth, but they're taking over like the Corleone family. Richard is Michael.

Sure I criticize, but that doesn't mean I always criticize, no matter what, as you claimed earlier.

[PolishPummler]

I actually prefer Golden Snaggle Tooth, but they're taking over like the Corleone family. Richard is Michael.

Sure I criticize, but that doesn't mean I always criticize, no matter what, as you claimed earlier.

:verysad

[Thread Stealer]

:verysad

You're just looking at it with Oscar-colored glasses, and remember all the negative things I say about him.

What do you expect in this situation? Me to praise GBP?

[PolishPummler]

You're just looking at it with Oscar-colored glasses, and remember all the negative things I say about him.

What do you expect in this situation? Me to praise GBP?

Have i praised him????

I havent said it's a good or bad thing.

I just know that we have yet to see the results whether negative or positive.You on the other hand have already made up your mind regardless.

[The Whaler]

I don't think GBP will be able to dramatically change the Ring magazine to favor GBP fighters because of the amount of scrutiny the magazine will receive now. If we start seeing GBP fighters rush to the top of the rankings, and see a gluttony of articles focused only on GBP fighters then people will call B.S. and the Ring will have then completely lost all of its credibility.

I think it's a little too early to say this is a bad or a good thing, but it's definetely crippled Ring magazine's image.