Just seen HBO's version of Hatton - Castillo...Disgraceful!

[Nemesis]

What a joke, that pillock Kellerman, Steward & Lederman were giving the most biased commentary i've seen i along while (well since the last Ottke fight), they were saying RH was initiating 90% of the clinches, virtually writing off the achievement as a nothing, as JLC was shot (did we call this before the fight or what). No matter what Ricky does in America, it is gonna be written off

[elias]

Some Americans just can't give a (white especially) British fighter credit. Americans don't seem to rate fighters unless they're hispanic or a black guy from the ghetto. The racial politics of boxing over there seems to be rather intense, whilst most British fans support boxers of every creed and colour as long as they're British (apart from Dunky, he'll support any Scots fighter)!

[achillesthegreat]

Fuck em all. He put away a Mexican with a left hook to the body.

He's beaten a great 140 pounder and now a great 135 pounder.

I gave Ricky the first 2, got worried in the third, Castillo was pulling it back, Hatton got angry and put the cunt away!

There's only one Ricky Fatton.

[China_hand_Joe]

What a joke, that pillock Kellerman, Steward & Lederman were giving the most biased commentary i've seen i along while (well since the last Ottke fight), they were saying RH was initiating 90% of the clinches, virtually writing off the achievement as a nothing, as JLC was shot (did we call this before the fight or what). No matter what Ricky does in America, it is gonna be written offThere is an American boxing media conspiarcy against European fighters. You have to believe me, they can only get credit by signing with American promoters.

[Nemesis]

Some Americans just can't give a (white especially) British fighter credit. Americans don't seem to rate fighters unless they're hispanic or a black guy from the ghetto. The racial politics of boxing over there seems to be rather intense, whilst most British fans support boxers of every creed and colour as long as they're British (apart from Dunky, he'll support any Scots fighter)!

Exactly the key point here, is he aint American (or hispanic american), so that instantly goes against him. Even the referee was a joke constantly blaming Hatton for the holding

[achillesthegreat]

Fuck em.

Another great thing is we found out he really was ill in the last fight and that is what affected him.

[stuey]

great left hook, he throws that shot better than anyone in the game right now.

[Lampshade]

Listening to all the haters actually makes it even more sweet. It's blatantly obvious that no matter what a UK fighter does it's going to get picked apart, so just enjoy how frustrating it must be for said haters to continually hate. It takes a whole lot of energy to hate quite as much as they do.

In the end any UK fighter is going to be labelled a slapper, a clincher, or far too negative.

[brown bomber]

Watch the fight again and watch how many clinches Hatton initiates after the first round....... 1-2 max..... Castillo got blasted, Hatton surpassed all my expectations.

[MIK1000]

Hatton is goanna go down as the best british fighter ever at least.

[LeedsLad]

I thought Castillo was more to blame for the clinches, and i didnt think JLC even looked too bad in the first 3 rounds it was just Hatton was too much for him.

Who cares what those guys think anyway? The Lewis-Tyson fight was a great example of US commentators being biased.. Lewis was beating him up and all they were saying was "Tyson has a great chin":lol: Hatton wont get much credit over there, but i dont think he'll be losing any sleep over it to be honest.

[Jimbo]

Nemesis: where did you see the HBO version?

[DamonD]

It's disappointing but not surprising...as Lampshade says, makes it more fun when the Brit wins though ;)

[Nemesis]

Jimbo, I cant PM you the website as my PM's are fucked, if you have an email address then i will send it too you there, if I post the link Achilles will wave the banstick

Its a Hungarian site

[Jimbo]

Jimbo, I cant PM you the website as my PM's are fucked, if you have an email address then i will send it too you there, if I post the link Achilles will wave the banstick

Its a Hungarian site

Cheers mate.

Tried to torrent it this morning but waited for an hour to find i'd dl'd Setanta's audio commentary. :lol:

[buddynabuick]

What a joke, that pillock Kellerman, Steward & Lederman were giving the most biased commentary i've seen i along while (well since the last Ottke fight), they were saying RH was initiating 90% of the clinches, virtually writing off the achievement as a nothing, as JLC was shot (did we call this before the fight or what). No matter what Ricky does in America, it is gonna be written off


I canceled my HBO sub (I only had it for the boxing) with a note explaining their crappy/biased boxing analysis as the reason. GOOD BY HBO YOU SUCK. If we all did this they would take notice. I get better boxing analysis on ESB:good!

[rustyj]

Thats coz he aint like naz, with his extravagance and outrageous behaviour in front of cam. He dont run his mouth at the camera or taunt his opponents! Ricky stays humble throughout. HBO need clowns to make fights,so that they can join the other bunch of clowns sitting on the commentary panel. Takes one to know one in ther case!

[Nemesis]

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[achillesthegreat]

Oh that was absolutely disgusting. I'd have to label that as the worst commentry in the history of the sport. All four of them continously spewed rubbish about what was happening.

Castillo was supposedly shot but could still let off 50-60 shots a round, landing at a 30% clip. Not only that but after his slow start he was beginning to get more into the fight and even win exchanges on the inside. Fuck HBO. They are cocksuckers.

Hatton came out of the gates fast and Castillo couldn't handle it. Castillo admitted pre fight it would be hard because he won't know what angles Hattons shots are coming from. The KO had nothing to do with being shot or not. If it put down that Castillo, it'll put down Castillo two years ago.

Seriously, I'm shocked at how bad the commentry was. Look at how none of them got excited when Castillos knees buckled and then when he went down. They were disinterested in the fight. The ko was clear as day but Lamps thought he was faking a low blow.

Kellermen said congratulations then started spewing shit. What a disgrace. You train for 3 months, for a fight that everyone thinks is 50-50, only to be told hes suddenly shot.

The EXACT same shit happened with Kostya Tszyu.

Hatton was the stronger and more powerful fighter. He won the body bashing war. He started faster and was clearly the more agile, nimble, fluid and dynamic fighter.

He summed up the ko perfectly. Castillo crossed his arms in an Archie Moore style and he found a spot behind his elbow.

[achillesthegreat]

What a night aye. The crowd were awesome, the entrance music, the fight itself, all top notch.

[Jimbo]

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[Nemesis]

Cheers Nemesis, gmail put you in my spam. :good
:lol: Never liked the stuff

[Nemesis]

What a night aye. The crowd were awesome, the entrance music, the fight itself, all top notch.

How ironic the ponces in the GF complain about the atmosphere, I thought it was brilliant

[Nemesis]

Oh that was absolutely disgusting. I'd have to label that as the worst commentry in the history of the sport. All four of them continously spewed rubbish about what was happening.

Castillo was supposedly shot but could still let off 50-60 shots a round, landing at a 30% clip. Not only that but after his slow start he was beginning to get more into the fight and even win exchanges on the inside. Fuck HBO. They are cocksuckers.

Hatton came out of the gates fast and Castillo couldn't handle it. Castillo admitted pre fight it would be hard because he won't know what angles Hattons shots are coming from. The KO had nothing to do with being shot or not. If it put down that Castillo, it'll put down Castillo two years ago.

Seriously, I'm shocked at how bad the commentry was. Look at how none of them got excited when Castillos knees buckled and then when he went down. They were disinterested in the fight. The ko was clear as day but Lamps thought he was faking a low blow.

Kellermen said congratulations then started spewing shit. What a disgrace. You train for 3 months, for a fight that everyone thinks is 50-50, only to be told hes suddenly shot.

The EXACT same shit happened with Kostya Tszyu.

Hatton was the stronger and more powerful fighter. He won the body bashing war. He started faster and was clearly the more agile, nimble, fluid and dynamic fighter.

He summed up the ko perfectly. Castillo crossed his arms in an Archie Moore style and he found a spot behind his elbow.

So it wasnt just me :good

I thought the American ignorance / arrogance was a new thing, it shows the broadcasters are just as bad

I'd like to give Lederman a good left hook to the ribs, see if he still claims "RH is doing 90% of the holding"

[achillesthegreat]

How ironic the ponces in the GF complain about the atmosphere, I thought it was brilliant
They are a bunch of prats. How can you complain about the electricity being conducted that night. The music, the chants, the celebrations was all top notch.

Brits are probably the best fans in the world! Even if our fighters leave, 10,000 still rally around to go support them.

On 23rd June 2007, Hatton owned the Thomas and Mack Centre in every way.

[Nemesis]

Achilles, could you help me with my query in the suggestions forum?

[achillesthegreat]

So it wasnt just me :good

I thought the American ignorance / arrogance was a new thing, it shows the broadcasters are just as bad

I'd like to give Lederman a good left hook to the ribs, see if he still claims "RH is doing 90% of the holding"
What a cock. As he was saying that Hatton was punching and hitting. Even when Castillo had Hatton in a headlock they hated on Hatton.

If Hopkins holds and hits, he's called a master.

Yeah, Hatton clinches but last night he was throwing Castillo around, holding and hitting. It was physical where both wanted to take control. Hatton did what he had to.

Listen to the GF talk about the low blows. Cortez said his cup was a little high and then pointed to where would be considered ok - he pointed about one inch lower than where his belt line was.

[Nemesis]

What a cock. As he was saying that Hatton was punching and hitting. Even when Castillo had Hatton in a headlock they hated on Hatton.

If Hopkins holds and hits, he's called a master.

Yeah, Hatton clinches but last night he was throwing Castillo around, holding and hitting. It was physical where both wanted to take control. Hatton did what he had to.

Listen to the GF talk about the low blows. Cortez said his cup was a little high and then pointed to where would be considered ok - he pointed about one inch lower than where his belt line was.

I've given up trying to convince the ignorant

[brown bomber]

On 23rd June 2007, Hatton owned the Thomas and Mack Centre in every way.:happy

[Boro chris]

For those interested the whole fight its on youtube under the title "My little pony"(no joke!)

[Jimbo]

Just watched with HBO commentary and completely agree, no wonder Hatton's getting some shit in the General Forum.

Lederman was particularly bad with his 90% bollocks but in general I can't see how devaluing the product as a whole with the negative tone and particularly a man who HBO have spent a lot of money on in Hatton is good for the station. Can't think that their employers will be very happy with them trashing Hatton's performance.

[dwilson]

The americans are just pissed that in europe boxing is growing especially in Germany plus the reurgance here in blighty with hatton,calzaghe and khan while in america its dieing a slow and painfull death. The heaveywieght division which was once thier prize possession is long gone never to return and theyre best fighter pbf is an asshole who everyone hates and wants to see lose. All thier best best fighers are either shot like tony,de la hoya and rjj or boring non repect earners such as taylor.

The racial politics in american boxing is also a disgrace, they seem to believe that if a fighter is not from black or hispanic origins then he isnt marketable and thus no use pushing.

[Boro chris]

Hahahahah - the My Little Pony thing is fabulous

The Malinaggi v N'dou fight is called "stone and sand!":lol:

[Dunky McCafferty]

whilst most British fans support boxers of every creed and colour as long as they're British (apart from Dunky, he'll support any Scots fighter)!

I am a Junior Witter fan, & I am David Barnes fan too. met Barnes a couple of years back & he was a great fella. He said that I nearly blinded him when I took a photo of him & my pal:D

So naturally, I am a big fan of his. & of course as I have said until I am blue in the face, I was a massive Eubank fan back in the day.

Of course I lean towards scottish fighters, but just cos I love all things Scotland doesnt mean I hate all things english. Hopefully the younger englanders who dont have pubic hair yet but come in & talk like gangsters to me can get that into their thick fuckin skulls.

But hey, I hate Hatton, so Im public enemy no1 & must hate all things England if I dare hate that wee gobshyte Hatton. Yup, its a kangaroo court in here alright:lol:

PS

Theres only one Max Kellerman:happy

[brown bomber]

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[brown bomber]

my little pony ha ha - fuck you HBO

[David UK]

I have read in the main forum that a few decent American fans were so disgusted at HBO commentators that they have emailed HBO to advice that they have cancelled their subs. Even though I don't subscribe to HBO(obviously) I think I'm going to email them and pretend I'm American and pissed off at Kellerman et al

[Nemesis]

I have read in the main forum that a few decent American fans were so disgusted at HBO commentators that they have emailed HBO to advice that they have cancelled their subs. Even though I don't subscribe to HBO(obviously) I think I'm going to email them and pretend I'm American and pissed off at Kellerman et al

I think i might complain too




Jeff 'tis sent

[brown bomber]

I have read in the main forum that a few decent American fans were so disgusted at HBO commentators that they have emailed HBO to advice that they have cancelled their subs. Even though I don't subscribe to HBO(obviously) I think I'm going to email them and pretend I'm American and pissed off at Kellerman et al If they done that after the hatton fight it shows a lot of class!

[China_hand_Joe]

Could it be an HBO strategy to reduce the $$$$ they have to pay for Hatton's next contract? I mean, it seems inconceivable that the commentators aren't briefed by HBO execs, effectively spelling the HBO 'spin' on the fight / fighters in advance. Otherwise it seems stupid to slag your 'own' fighter from a box office point of view?It is to do with Hatton having a British promoter.

[scurlaruntings]

Some Americans just can't give a (white especially) British fighter credit. Americans don't seem to rate fighters unless they're hispanic or a black guy from the ghetto. The racial politics of boxing over there seems to be rather intense, whilst most British fans support boxers of every creed and colour as long as they're British (apart from Dunky, he'll support any Scots fighter)!THATS JUST ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT.IF FUCKS ME OFF IMMENSELY WHEN IDIOTS TRY TO PULL THE RACE CARD ON HATTON AS IF ANYONE TRULY GIVES A FUCK THAT HIS WHITE.No cares that his FUCKING WHITE! We just want to see him in a competitive bout with a REAL name at welter.Whats the fucking problem with that!?!?!?!?!??:twisted:

[scurlaruntings]

Hatton is goanna go down as the best british fighter ever at least.NO HE WONT.His not even close.

[achillesthegreat]

Hatton was on his last fight with HBO. He probably didn't resign so he could keep his options open i.e. independent PPVs, Showtime etc

FUCK HBO! CUNTS!

[achillesthegreat]

NO HE WONT.His not even close.
Scur seriously man. Come on. 43 fights later. One win over a top 10 140 pounder. Another over a top 30 135 pounder.

On paper Hatton is already HOF and a great fighter.

Hatton could go down as the best British fighter ever. It is plausible.

[scurlaruntings]

Scur seriously man. Come on. 43 fights later. One win over a top 10 140 pounder. Another over a top 30 135 pounder.

On paper Hatton is already HOF and a great fighter.

Hatton could go down as the best British fighter ever. It is plausible.He doesnt beat the memories of Benn Eubank Lewis Naz etc etc.Its not close.2 victories over 2 old men mean squat in the grand scheme of things.He`ll get to the hall alright as these days anyone can get there.And his resume 43 fights unbeaten is impressive.But we shouldnt still be asking the questions"Who has Hatton fought". Kostya was semi retired and fighting once a year and Castillo who turned pro at 15 and has been in many a war (who was also as slow as molasses on the weekend) is surely well past his best.Good victories yes but not impressive for a 40 plus fight pro.These type of bouts should have been happening at least 15 fights ago.Hatton isnt a rookie, he hasnt arrived his here.In order to be considered the best fight the best.

[achillesthegreat]

He doesnt beat the memories of Benn Eubank Lewis Naz etc etc.Its not close.2 victories over 2 old men mean squat in the grand scheme of things.He`ll get to the hall alright as these days anyone can get there.And his resume 43 fights unbeaten is impressive.But we shouldnt still be asking the questions"Who has Hatton fought". Kostya was semi retired and fighting once a year and Castillo who turned pro at 15 and has been in many a war (who was also as slow as molasses on the weekend) is surely well past his best.Good victories yes but not impressive for a 40 plus fight pro.These type of bouts should have been happening at least 15 fights ago.Hatton isnt a rookie, he hasnt arrived his here.In order to be considered the best fight the best.
He doesn't need to beat those memories. He needs to achieve what they didn't and he is in the process of doing that. That's the story so far.

All of what you said is simply ridiculous and not worth arguing.

[scurlaruntings]

He doesn't need to beat those memories. He needs to achieve what they didn't and he is in the process of doing that. That's the story so far.

All of what you said is simply ridiculous and not worth arguing.But we shouldnt still be asking the questions"Who has Hatton fought". Kostya was semi retired and fighting once a year and Castillo who turned pro at 15 and has been in many a war (who was also as slow as molasses on the weekend) is surely well past his best.Good victories yes but not impressive for a 40 plus fight pro.These type of bouts should have been happening at least 15 fights ago.Hatton isnt a rookie, he hasnt arrived his here.In order to be considered the best fight the best.

Which bit is ridculous? You tell me how ANY of that is ridiculous? KOSTYA AND CASTILLO WERE FADED FACT. Castillo has been a pro since he was 15/16 FACT.Both were good victories but not the sort that would elevate him to ATG status let alone the hall.No one considered DLH the new slice bread because he beat a faded Chavez.And il stand by what iv said these bouts should have been happening a while back.Cotto has been brought on marvelously.Whereas Ricky has been wrapped in cotton wool.

[achillesthegreat]

But we shouldnt still be asking the questions"Who has Hatton fought". Kostya was semi retired and fighting once a year and Castillo who turned pro at 15 and has been in many a war (who was also as slow as molasses on the weekend) is surely well past his best.Good victories yes but not impressive for a 40 plus fight pro.These type of bouts should have been happening at least 15 fights ago.Hatton isnt a rookie, he hasnt arrived his here.In order to be considered the best fight the best.

Which bit is ridculous? You tell me how ANY of that is ridiculous? KOSTYA AND CASTILLO WERE FADED FACT. Castillo has been a pro since he was 15/16 FACT.Both were good victories but not the sort that would elevate him to ATG status let alone the hall.No one considered DLH the new slice bread because he beat a faded Chavez.And il stand by what iv said these bouts should have been happening a while back.Cotto has been brought on marvelously.Whereas Ricky has been wrapped in cotton wool.
Tszyu wasn't semi retired. He'd just come back with a bang having DESTROYED the consensus number 1 140 pounder. He'd also fought 7 months ago.

Castillo also missed out on a 90 odd fight amateur career, unlike Hatton.

It doesn't matter what should have happened in the past. We are here and now. Marciano didn't seriously step up until he was about 43-0! He ain't great though is he? I mean come on Charles, Walcott and Moore were done right? :patsch

There is no fact in what you say. There is manure but not fact.

Oh my god. Cotto has been brought on marvelously yet he is 30-0 and hasn't got one great win. I love Cotto, he's a thug but your talk is nonsense.

FACT - Tszyu and Castillo are greats in and around Hattons weight.
FACT - Hatton whooped both like they've NEVER been whooped before.

You are talking hindsight rubbish like the rest of the GF. Foresight? Kostya to win by 99.9% of the people and Castillo by 50%. Most picking Hatton to be exposed in some sort of fashion.

Scur you are lost in your hatred. It's disgusting to say the least. It comes across as personal. Thank god I don't know you and we have a tiff, you'd blatently stab me for telling you your shoes are a little dirty.

Respect the man and give him his dues. Enough with your nonsense.

[AllyT]

My favourite qutoe from the Half Baked Oritors has to be

“Even though Hatton considers himself a body puncher, he's nowhere near the body puncher of Castillo.” :rofl :rofl :rofl

[achillesthegreat]

My favourite qutoe from the Half Baked Oritors has to be

“Even though Hatton considers himself a body puncher, he's nowhere near the body puncher of Castillo.” :rofl :rofl :rofl



Hatton showed he can win a fight between body punchers. He won the battle downstairs. Top body punchers like Cotto haven't. Hatton finished Castillo downstairs. Other top body punchers haven't achieved that sort of feat.

Truth is, when Hatton does go downstairs he can punish and finish.