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kidargentine
08-23-2009, 09:31 AM
One of my favorite boxers from recent memory, but who else here thinks he is an ATG or a potential member of the international boxing hall of fame? The guy was a stud in the 1980's, though always in the shadow of Julio Cesar Chavez, he did manage to beat the likes of Vinny Paz, Edwin Rosario, Rafael Limon, and Howard Davis.

He struggled a bit in the next decade losing to all the best of his era (trinidad, de la hoya, chavez, etc) but did manage to beat washed up legends like Leonard and Duran. I say he makes it to the Hall-of-fame anyway but falls short of being an ATG like the Chavez and Whitakers of his day.
red cobra
08-23-2009, 09:33 AM
Don't think he's exactly "great", but he sure could have been, were it not for the Rosario BoogeyMan.
kidargentine
08-23-2009, 09:39 AM
Don't think he's exactly "great", but he sure could have been, were it not for the Rosario BoogeyMan.

Very true, that Rosario fight really turned him the other direction. I still think he possessed all the skills and tools to be a great fighter.
Robbi
08-23-2009, 11:46 AM
He was the greatest pure boxer of the last 40 years.
junior-soprano
08-23-2009, 11:53 AM
like you said it yourself not an ATG. but he defintely deserves a spot in the hall of fame. and i believe it was a very good fighter. i rank him just below the all time greats and way above the " just good fighters".
Robbi
08-23-2009, 01:02 PM
like you said it yourself not an ATG. but he defintely deserves a spot in the hall of fame. and i believe it was a very good fighter. i rank him just below the all time greats and way above the " just good fighters".

Nobody did it like Hector. :good
redrooster
08-23-2009, 01:38 PM
One of my favorite boxers from recent memory, but who else here thinks he is an ATG or a potential member of the international boxing hall of fame? The guy was a stud in the 1980's, though always in the shadow of Julio Cesar Chavez, he did manage to beat the likes of Vinny Paz, Edwin Rosario, Rafael Limon, and Howard Davis.

He struggled a bit in the next decade losing to all the best of his era (trinidad, de la hoya, chavez, etc) but did manage to beat washed up legends like Leonard and Duran. I say he makes it to the Hall-of-fame anyway but falls short of being an ATG like the Chavez and Whitakers of his day.

yes of course. Combine his style with his physical gifts and you have a dominant fighter. It is my belief that prime for prime, he would have outsped and outslicked Pernel had Pernel the misfortune to come along 2 or 3 years sooner.

But that's okay otherwise we might not have had the opportunity to see Sweat Pea blossom into the great fighter that he was as well.

So because of Pernel's incredibly good fortune, we have ourselves two all time greats. Both left handers and both in the same division.

Pernel who did everything almost as well as Hector, lacked the big punch and never would have been able to get Hector's respect. Hector would have unleashed punches too quick for the eye to follow and greatly reduced Pernel's effectiveness as a boxer. Hector walks away with the decision.

The version of Camacho we saw throughout the 90s was just an imposter and a steppingstone for anyone trying to make a name for themselves
he grant
08-23-2009, 01:51 PM
All time great waste of talent ... could have been an all timer at 130 , maybe 135 ... instead blew it up his nose ... what an assho-e ...
MRBILL
08-23-2009, 02:27 PM
Ol' Camacho ought to be a SURE THING for the "Halls" down the road.....

MR.BILL
laxpdx
08-23-2009, 02:47 PM
I'd say so. Lightning fast, and practically invincible 1982-86. Did not lose until 1990, and even that was disputed.
laxpdx
08-23-2009, 02:51 PM
The version of Camacho we saw throughout the 90s was just an imposter and a steppingstone for anyone trying to make a name for themselves

Fixed your post there, Red. :D
Flea Man
08-23-2009, 03:01 PM
He was the greatest pure boxer of the last 40 years.

Moreso than Pea, Robbi?

Also I notice an endless chain of avatar changes in the last few days, what's up pal? :lol::good
Flea Man
08-23-2009, 03:01 PM
yes of course. Combine his style with his physical gifts and you have a dominant fighter. It is my belief that prime for prime, he would have outsped and outslicked Pernel had Pernel the misfortune to come along 2 or 3 years sooner.

But that's okay otherwise we might not have had the opportunity to see Sweat Pea blossom into the great fighter that he was as well.

So because of Pernel's incredibly good fortune, we have ourselves two all time greats. Both left handers and both in the same division.

Pernel who did everything almost as well as Hector, lacked the big punch and never would have been able to get Hector's respect. Hector would have unleashed punches too quick for the eye to follow and greatly reduced Pernel's effectiveness as a boxer. Hector walks away with the decision.

The version of Camacho we saw throughout the 80s was just an imposter and a steppingstone for anyone trying to make a name for themselves

Pea would batter him.
Seamus
08-23-2009, 03:04 PM
He was the greatest pure boxer of the last 40 years.

If by boxing you mean a constant runner who threw pitty pat shoeshine combinations that were all flash and little power. Then yes, if that is what you call boxing, he was as pure as the driven snow.
Seamus
08-23-2009, 03:05 PM
Pea would batter him.


Haugen beat him, Rosario changed him into a shrinking violet, Chazez tortured him. And yes, Pea would silence any discussion of who is the better boxer.
Robbi
08-23-2009, 03:15 PM
Also I notice an endless chain of avatar changes in the last few days, what's up pal? :lol::good

Recently been diagnosed with AAS. Avatar addiction syndrome.
Flea Man
08-23-2009, 03:18 PM
Recently been diagnosed with AAS. Avatar addiction syndrome.

:lol:

Now mine has been slagged off I'm thinking of changin it! I must have AAAS (Alexis Arguello Appreciation Syndrome)
My2Sense
08-23-2009, 03:30 PM
I say he makes it to the Hall-of-fame anyway but falls short of being an ATG like the Chavez and Whitakers of his day.

He'll probably be in the Hall, which includes a lot of non-ATGs, but he definitely fell short of greatness himself. He could be pretty good if he wasn't fighting a big puncher, but against most of the top punchers he fought, he looked like a fragile bitch. He altered his whole career just to avoid a rematch with Rosario (which alone disqualifies him from ATG status IMO), and he had to run and hold like crazy every second just to avoid being KO'd by Chavez, Tito, and DeLaHoya.
The Kurgan
08-23-2009, 05:10 PM
Recently been diagnosed with AAS. Avatar addiction syndrome.

Ouch! There's nothing worse than an AAS problem.
redrooster
08-23-2009, 05:27 PM
Fixed your post there, Red. :D

Thanks LAXPDX for getting my back.
Robbi
08-23-2009, 05:28 PM
Ouch! There's nothing worse than an AAS problem.

Yeah. It's a new mental health problem. Doctors just found out about it recently after some research.
redrooster
08-23-2009, 05:30 PM
If by boxing you mean a constant runner who threw pitty pat shoeshine combinations that were all flash and little power. Then yes, if that is what you call boxing, he was as pure as the driven snow.

:lol:

Yeah, what about it Robbi?

Looks like your tactic backfired on you
Robbi
08-23-2009, 05:36 PM
:lol:

Yeah, what about it Robbi?

Looks like your tactic backfired on you

You weren't replying to me. What you talking about? :lol:
redrooster
08-23-2009, 05:59 PM
You weren't replying to me. What you talking about? :lol:


Your statement about Hector being the best p4p over the last 40 years. dont we get an answer?
Robbi
08-23-2009, 06:04 PM
Your statement about Hector being the best p4p over the last 40 years. dont we get an answer?

Hector was tha man. Nobody did it like Hector. :good
bighappy
08-23-2009, 07:33 PM
not at all, he'll get in the hall of fame but so are alot of fighter how are not ATG
TBooze
08-23-2009, 07:41 PM
The Hall of Fame, is for fighters with fame, and is a commercial adventure, it is not there to place great fighters into its Hall, unless of course that Great had fame.

Camacho is a famous fighter of the 80s/90s, he is clearly Hall of Fame material.

But he is no great. He could of been great, but never truly got over the Rosario fight, a fight that ruined him.

I will try and put a positive spin on Hector:

He was fun, he knocked down Leonard with a jab, and by lasting twelve one sided rounds with a near prime Chavez, he showed he could be a man, maybe even a Macho one. It was just a shame, he did not show that heart against Rosario.
GazOC
08-23-2009, 07:45 PM
Slighty short of a great but a complete shoo in for the HOF. As TBooze says people doubted Camachos heart after Rosario but he def. showed it when he had to later on in his career.
ripcity
08-23-2009, 10:26 PM
In terms of skills YES. As far as resume goes? I'm not sure.