The worst chinned fighters to win a linear world title?

[KOTF]

Name some fighters w/ bad chins that have claimed a linear title.

[marciano1952]

Floyd Patterson

[la-califa]

John H. Stracey, who defeated a badly faded Jose Napoles to win the Welterweight Championship & was soundly thrashed in his first defence by Carlos Palomino.

[cotto20]

This thread is very insulting to fighters

[bxrfan]

John H. Stracey, who defeated a badly faded Jose Napoles to win the Welterweight Championship & was soundly thrashed in his first defence by Carlos Palomino.
May I ask who is that lovely lady? :hey

[PetethePrince]

This thread is very insulting to fighters

Well good thing your not a fighter. Who's next guys?

LoL. Just egging you on, but seriously... why can't people talk about fighters negatives/deficiencies rather than just all of their positives?

[Russell]

Junior Jones, not sure if he won a lineal title though?

[janitor]

Floyd Patterson

Was Pattersons chin that bad?

The guys who knocked him out were two of the hardest hitting heavyweights of all time.

[la-califa]

May I ask who is that lovely lady? :hey Roselyn Sanchez. Movie Actress/Model. On "Boat Trip" with Cuba Gooding Jr. Verrry Niiice!:shock:

[PetethePrince]

Was Pattersons chin that bad?

The guys who knocked him out were two of the hardest hitting heavyweights of all time.

Yes. he was down, down and out many times. He latered slightly adopted his style being more cautious up until the 70's but he was dropped regularly here and there. I think he could absorb a decent level of punishment. Ali didn't KO him in 66.

[Beeston Brawler]

Michael Moorer.....

Hasim Rahman :-(

[young griffo]

Was Pattersons chin that bad?

The guys who knocked him out were two of the hardest hitting heavyweights of all time.
True but he tasted the canvas an awful lot as champion against some less than steller opponents.

Radamacher,Harris and I think even McNeely managed to floor him but to Floyd's credit he kept getting up.

Funnily enough once he was an ex-champ Patterson's chin seemed to get a lot better as only Quarry and Bonavena dropped him from that point on.

[Russell]

Hasim Rahman :-(

Uneducated garbage fitting of general.

[AlFrancis]

John H. Stracey, who defeated a badly faded Jose Napoles to win the Welterweight Championship & was soundly thrashed in his first defence by Carlos Palomino.


I wouldn't say Stracey had a bad chin. Besides it was the body shots that done him against a very good Palomino.

[he grant]

Wlad.

Patterson was underated ...

Liston crushed anyone ...

Ingo could not keep him down ...

He got decked but got up strong ... also fighting biggermen for the most part ...

[red cobra]

John H. Stracey, who defeated a badly faded Jose Napoles to win the Welterweight Championship & was soundly thrashed in his first defence by Carlos Palomino.
Stracey actually had 1 successful defense..a 10 round tko over Hedgemon Lewis before losing his title to Palomino.

[kmcc505]

I can't believe no one has played the Roy Jones card yet. IT sort of makes me proud of Classic posters.

Note: I DO NOT think RJJ deserves to be on the list.

[Sister Sledge]

Floyd was a small fighter usually fighting at 185-190 pounds. He also go up a lot of times and took a lot of punishment to stay down on most occations. You can't say the same for Wlad.

[My2Sense]

John H. Stracey, who defeated a badly faded Jose Napoles to win the Welterweight Championship & was soundly thrashed in his first defence by Carlos Palomino.

I wouldn't say Stracey had a bad chin at all. He withstood a brutal beating from Palomino (who was a pretty solid puncher) before finally being stopped late, mainly as a result of body blows. He also withstood an early pounding from Napoles before coming back to stop him.

[My2Sense]

I can't believe no one has played the Roy Jones card yet. IT sort of makes me proud of Classic posters.


Jones was never a linear champ.

[My2Sense]

Was Pattersons chin that bad?


For a heavyweight, yes. He was down too often against mediocre fighters.

As a middlweight/light-heavyweight (which was probably his natural weight), he appeared to be more sturdy.

[he grant]

What makes a bad chin? Getting dropped or not getting up ?

[Flea Man]

Stracey had a half-decent chin, it was a left body shot from possibly the BEST left body hooker at 147 in Palomino that done him in.


Wlad. Clearly the answer is Wlad.

[Beeston Brawler]

Is Wlad really linear though?

Until he beats his brother I cannot accept him as a linear champion.

[Jack Dempsey]

Apparently after Patterson, Louis is the HW champ who was knocked down the most

[klompton]

Patterson's chin wasnt as bad it seemed when one considers that he was basically a light heavy who was facing some of the most stellar fighters in history.

Besides, someone has a good point: Does getting knocked down mean you have a bad chin? I dont think so. Getting knocked out is one thing but keep in mind that Patterson was a very unorthodox in that he often lept in with punches with both feet off the ground, and squared up to get more leverage on his hooks against the naturally bigger guys he was facing. I think Patterson's knockdowns were a combination of balance, and the fact that he was just a smaller guy.

[janitor]

Apparently after Patterson, Louis is the HW champ who was knocked down the most

I think it is actualy Ezzard Charles.

Of course you might want to factor in the number of Hall of Famers he fought.

[patscorpio]

Apparently after Patterson, Louis is the HW champ who was knocked down the most
what about leon spinks..the man was an undisputed linear hvwt champ

[jowcol]

and took a lot of punishment to stay down on most occations.
He didn't ''stay down'' on most occasions; in fact, he NEVER stayed down, he was always getting up.
Klomton mentioned about his balance; many of his KD's were his simply being off balance.
And as HGrant said, if you're always getting back up, how bad can your chin be?
I've seen Patterson become almost ferocious (as much as HE can be) after going down. He gave away the draw to Quarry in their first fight (basically kicked Jerry's arse rounds 3-8) after being really hurt in the second. Harris was a flash KD, he smiled after the Rademacher KD, etc...
I've said this before, but what if Ingo had nailed him at the END of the 3rd in their 1st fight? He had remarkable recooperative power for the most part...
Granted, I'm a tad biased towards my childhood hero but some of this china chin continuous rap against him aggrevates me. Thanks to the handful on board that see his great abilities for what they really were...

[Thread Stealer]

I can't believe no one has played the Roy Jones card yet. IT sort of makes me proud of Classic posters.

Note: I DO NOT think RJJ deserves to be on the list.

It helps that he wasn't lineal champ.

Not that I'd put him up there regardless. For most of his career, he took shots fine.

[Thread Stealer]

Michael Moorer was the first to come to mind.

[raiderjay]

Was Julian Jackson a lineal champ?

[raiderjay]

Terry Norris perhaps?

[PetethePrince]

Patterson chin was bad. That was his biggest weaknesses. I'm surprised people are defending this. He was one heck of a boxer.

[mcvey]

John H. Stracey, who defeated a badly faded Jose Napoles to win the Welterweight Championship & was soundly thrashed in his first defence by Carlos Palomino.

Stracey was stopped by Palomino from left hooks to the body :patsch

[ricardinho]

Tommy Hearns chin was no that great.

[Jack Dempsey]

I think it is actualy Ezzard Charles.

Of course you might want to factor in the number of Hall of Famers he fought.



Could be, I did read it some time ago, anyone know how many times louis was down? There was Galento Marciano Braddock Walcott schmeling, mauriello? What others?

[jowcol]

Patterson chin was bad. That was his biggest weaknesses. I'm surprised people are defending this.

Who blew Floyd into oblivion because of his 'weak' chin. Liston? He waded in and fought the "people's fight'' as my old black janitor friend told me years ago, and...was rising. And, as I said before, what if Ingo had decked him at the END of round three? Patterson's weakness was himself, nothing more. Virtually all of his losses weren't the result of his chin but simply being in against a bigger all-time great. Simply too small to compete when you come right down to it (at least against the bigger boys) - but don't tell me a Lyle for example or a Norton wouldn't have their hands full against him. That left hook was a killer when it connected!
He (again I repeat myself, sorry) took 24???? rounds to dispose of Roy Harris & Brian London? That was his weakness, the passivity...
Chores to do, back later...

[Sonny Carson]

Could be, I did read it some time ago, anyone know how many times louis was down? There was Galento Marciano Braddock Walcott schmeling, mauriello? What others?
Louis chin was not weak. You had to give him a beating to knock him out. And alot of his knockdown were flash knockdown's.

[janitor]

Could be, I did read it some time ago, anyone know how many times louis was down? There was Galento Marciano Braddock Walcott schmeling, mauriello? What others?

Buddy Baer knocked him down and through the ropes. He was not off his feet against Maurellio but I fancy he was hurt more than he was against some of the guys who knocked him down.

I think that with Louis's like with Charles the consistantly high level of opposition provides some mitigation.

It is generaly when you start fighting guys in the top 10 that you start hitting the canvas.

[AlFrancis]

Buddy Baer knocked him down and through the ropes. He was not off his feet against Maurellio but I fancy he was hurt more than he was against some of the guys who knocked him down.

I think that with Louis's like with Charles the consistantly high level of opposition provides some mitigation.

It is generaly when you start fighting guys in the top 10 that you start hitting the canvas.


Yes, the real top 10.

[janitor]

Yes, the real top 10.

It is always going to be subjective who the top ten fighters in a given weight class are at any given time.

Having said that I think that you would have to conceed that everybody who dropped Louis was top five at the time of the fight.

[scartissue]

Jackie Paterson - stopped 10 times.

Scartissue

[PetethePrince]

Who blew Floyd into oblivion because of his 'weak' chin. Liston? He waded in and fought the "people's fight'' as my old black janitor friend told me years ago, and...was rising. And, as I said before, what if Ingo had decked him at the END of round three? Patterson's weakness was himself, nothing more. Virtually all of his losses weren't the result of his chin but simply being in against a bigger all-time great. Simply too small to compete when you come right down to it (at least against the bigger boys) - but don't tell me a Lyle for example or a Norton wouldn't have their hands full against him. That left hook was a killer when it connected!
He (again I repeat myself, sorry) took 24???? rounds to dispose of Roy Harris & Brian London? That was his weakness, the passivity...
Chores to do, back later...

:patsch

Marciano has far more success. He has an iron chin and weighs around the same as Floyd. Floyd isn't that much smaller than Ingo (Liston yes) but he also gets knocked down by guys around his size. The thing is, his chin was his biggest weakness. Ali said he was the best boxer he faced. Floyd had success but a bad chin. Why do you think he passive? Maybe he was because of his chin or inability to take punches? Cause and effect my friend. Think it through. Floyd's passiveness was another weakness, but it was due to his chin and not nearly as much as a weaknesses as his chin. So what if he isn't KOing everyone. He can outbox anyone as long as they don't hurt him. Not too hard to do though.

Harris knocked him down in the 2nd round. Harris has a 25% KO percentage.
Patterson down 7 times against Ingo in 3 rounds.
Patterson down twice in the 1st round in the 3rd Ingo fight.
Patterson was KOed in 2:05 against Liston. 1 time on the floor and down.
Patterson downed 3 times in the 1st rounda against Liston.
Patterson down in the 2nd against Quarry.
Bonavena had him down in the 4th in 72.

I think that suffices to say he had a weak chin. As a HW he was down or out 15-20 times? How is his chin superior to say Michael Moorer's?

[Robbi]

Tommy Hearns chin was no that great.

It also wasn't that bad.

[la-califa]

Rocky Graziano? Tough fighter but was kayoed by Zale & Robinson badly. Although he did stop Zale.

[mcvey]

Rocky Graziano? Tough fighter but was kayoed by Zale & Robinson badly. Although he did stop Zale.

I find your choices baffling,you first picked Stracey ,who had 3 kos against him in 45 fights,his loss to Palomino was as a result of body punches, his loss to Green was after he had been butted and had a lump on his head like an ostrich egg.Stracey went 12 with Palomino before succumbing and 10 with Green ,when he was a bit past his best ,his other ko loss was rather early in his career.
Now you pick Graziano ,who was kod 3 times in 83 fights twice by Zale ,one of which was a body shot ko,and once by SRR both Zale and Robinson were heavy duty punchers. :patsch

[PetethePrince]

I find your choices baffling,you first picked Stracey ,who had 3 kos against him in 45 fights,his loss to Palomino was as a result of body punches, his loss to Green was after he had been butted and had a lump on his head like an ostrich egg.Stracey went 12 with Palomino before succumbing and 10 with Green ,when he was a bit past his best ,his other ko loss was rather early in his career.
Now you pick Graziano ,who was kod 3 times in 83 fights twice by Zale ,one of which was a body shot ko,and once by SRR both Zale and Robinson were heavy duty punchers. :patsch

:lol: Way to call him out. I got to agree. Graziano certainly was no Lamotta but he took some big shots and he could take a punch. Certainly not a good nomination. I would list his chin in the good category before the worst/worsts. Maybe that's generous, he is certainly no worse than average.

[la-califa]

I find your choices baffling,you first picked Stracey ,who had 3 kos against him in 45 fights,his loss to Palomino was as a result of body punches, his loss to Green was after he had been butted and had a lump on his head like an ostrich egg.Stracey went 12 with Palomino before succumbing and 10 with Green ,when he was a bit past his best ,his other ko loss was rather early in his career.
Now you pick Graziano ,who was kod 3 times in 83 fights twice by Zale ,one of which was a body shot ko,and once by SRR both Zale and Robinson were heavy duty punchers. :patschWasn't sure, thats why I put the question mark. What I saw of him in his biggest fights, that he was Kayoed. Plus I once read in a boxing magazine that the rap on Graziano was that he was a big puncher with an average chin.

[mcvey]

Wasn't sure, thats why I put the question mark. What I saw of him in his biggest fights, that he was Kayoed. Plus I once read in a boxing magazine that the rap on Graziano was that he was a big puncher with an average chin.

Nothing personal ,Graziano was not a great fighter he was a great puncher ,but his chin was sound enough,as his only three stoppage losses in 83 fights prove.

[frankenfrank]

Name some fighters w/ bad chins that have claimed a linear title.
Terry Norris. :deal

[frankenfrank]

Hearns , Jackson , Benn , Nunn , Charles - all had much better chins than norris. just check it.
jackson and benn were not linear champions.