View Full Version : Who is the Best Russian HW?
geppy
09-12-2007, 11:36 PM
Who do you think is the best Russian HW? Chagaev, Ibragimov, Maskaev , Povetkin, or Valuev?
boxingcar
09-12-2007, 11:38 PM
Povetkin and Boytsov. (but boytsov is too innactive so he doesn't count)
brooklyn1550
09-12-2007, 11:40 PM
Ruslan Chagaev
I think Oleg Maskaev is the best of the bunch right now, but Sultan Ibragimov has the potential to be (too bad for him that he will lose to Holyfield in October):!: KO BABY!
geppy
09-12-2007, 11:48 PM
I think Oleg Maskaev is the best of the bunch right now, but Sultan Ibragimov has the potential to be (too bad for him that he will lose to Holyfield in October):!: KO BABY!
Holyfield is not going to touch Sultan!
RonnieHornschuh
09-13-2007, 06:26 AM
chagaev or povetkin.
Cachibatches
09-13-2007, 06:42 AM
Right now Chag with a bullet. Though Povetkin may surpass him.
bumdujour
09-13-2007, 06:43 AM
Who do you think is the best Russian HW? Chagaev, Ibragimov, Maskaev , Povetkin, or Valuev?
chagaev is from uzbekistan!! he is not russian.
Cachibatches
09-13-2007, 06:45 AM
chagaev is from uzbekistan!! he is not russian.
Yeah. He's ethnically tartar.
Artani
09-13-2007, 07:15 AM
Who do you think is the best Russian HW? Chagaev, Ibragimov, Maskaev , Povetkin, or Valuev?
Who told you that Chagaev is russian , you are wrong .
If we looking strait only Povetkin, Maskaev and Valuev are real russians . Anothers like Ibragimov, Boytsov are with muslim religion and dont have nothing with russians. The former Soviet state changes names and surnames.
Mendoza
09-13-2007, 07:33 AM
Who do you think is the best Russian HW? Chagaev, Ibragimov, Maskaev , Povetkin, or Valuev?
Hard to say. Maskev is the most accomplished. Chagaev and Ibragimov are young and current undefeated champions. Povetkin has a world of potential.
I think Vlauev is out of the conversation.
Povektin would be my pick. Chagaev is a close second.
Zhaakal
09-13-2007, 07:40 AM
Povetkin.. Too much skill and he's pretty fast for a HW
geppy
09-13-2007, 08:34 AM
chagaev is from uzbekistan!! he is not russian.
Chagaev is Russian blood, why cant some understand that? Vitali was born in Kyrgyzstan, does he look a nomadic Asian? Vitali is Ukrainian!
Your favorite fighter (to Artani), Luan Krasniqi was born in Germany. So, is Krasniqi not Albanian? I dont want to hear that shit again.
Sweden
09-13-2007, 09:12 AM
Povetkin in already better than the others, although all of them are great fighters.
1. Povetkin
2. Chagaev/Ibragimov
3. Valuev
4. Maskaev
Vitali Klitschko, and it is not close.
Brickhaus
09-13-2007, 11:58 AM
Probably Povetkin. I think I'd take him H2H against any of the other Russian heavies, although Valuev would give him some trouble if he's on his game. Chagaev is the highest on my rankings, but based on skills and talent, Povetkin is the best, possibly the #2 or #3 HW right now, depending on whether his endurance is there yet. It will be easier to tell once Povetkin fights Byrd, who is a huge step up in competition for him. If he dominates Byrd like I think he will, then he's done enough to jump ahead of these other guys.
Ibragamov and Maskaev ain't much, and if they didn't win belts by beating extremely weak champions, nobody would really be talking about them.
geppy
09-13-2007, 12:22 PM
Probably Povetkin. I think I'd take him H2H against any of the other Russian heavies, although Valuev would give him some trouble if he's on his game. Chagaev is the highest on my rankings, but based on skills and talent, Povetkin is the best, possibly the #2 or #3 HW right now, depending on whether his endurance is there yet. It will be easier to tell once Povetkin fights Byrd, who is a huge step up in competition for him. If he dominates Byrd like I think he will, then he's done enough to jump ahead of these other guys.
Ibragamov and Maskaev ain't much, and if they didn't win belts by beating extremely weak champions, nobody would really be talking about them.
Jesus christ, Ibragimov had to beat a giant steriod ridden idiot ,with one punch power. It was a dangerous fight because some one on that much drugs , can end a fight on one punch. Even much more power than Brewster.
AmazingHook
09-13-2007, 12:38 PM
Chagaev is not Russian. He was born and raised in Uzbekistan and he represents Uzbekistan not Russia.
mykolakozak
09-13-2007, 12:45 PM
Povetkin not yet, at the moment Chagaev
In_FlaMeS
09-13-2007, 01:54 PM
Povetkin is the best... Chagaev is not a Russian !
box03
09-13-2007, 01:58 PM
Chagaev is the best out of the crop.
Shpion
09-13-2007, 02:03 PM
Povetkin.
Cachibatches
09-13-2007, 02:46 PM
Why isn't Sergei on the list? You Russians don't even know who your best heavyweight is? Most of you might not agree that the white wolf is the best one but he should at least be on the list.
Belarussian. Its different.
Cachibatches
09-13-2007, 02:47 PM
Chagaev is Russian blood, why cant some understand that? Vitali was born in Kyrgyzstan, does he look a nomadic Asian? Vitali is Ukrainian!
Your favorite fighter (to Artani), Luan Krasniqi was born in Germany. So, is Krasniqi not Albanian? I dont want to hear that shit again.
I don't mean to reapeat myself, but he is at leat in part genetically speaking a Tartar.
Grabonator
09-13-2007, 02:57 PM
Right now Chag with a bullet. Though Povetkin may surpass him.
Absolutely how i see it, even though Chagaev is no russian.
andyZOR
09-13-2007, 03:25 PM
Absolutely how i see it, even though Chagaev is no russian.
Yea
geppy
09-13-2007, 04:16 PM
The next person that says Chagaev is not Russian, I am going to put my hand threw your computer screen and strangle you. Whatever , if he is part Tartar, plenty of Russians are.
Chagaev is named "White Tyson"! Not EurAsian Tyson, or Asian Tyson! He is mostly Russian. Enough!!
andyZOR
09-13-2007, 04:27 PM
The next person that says Chagaev is not Russian, I am going to put my hand threw your computer screen and strangle you. Whatever , if he is part Tartar, plenty of Russians are.
Chagaev is named "White Tyson"! Not EurAsian Tyson, or Asian Tyson! He is mostly Russian. Enough!!
Chagaev is not Russian.
geppy
09-13-2007, 04:45 PM
Chagaev is not Russian.
That is it , I know at least Chagaevs dad was born in Russia. He is probably part Russian, Chechen, Tartar, and Uzbek. He calls himself "White Tyson " .
jackiebrown
09-13-2007, 05:12 PM
ivan drago
Artani
09-13-2007, 05:29 PM
Chagaev is Russian blood, why cant some understand that? Vitali was born in Kyrgyzstan, does he look a nomadic Asian? Vitali is Ukrainian!
Your favorite fighter (to Artani), Luan Krasniqi was born in Germany. So, is Krasniqi not Albanian? I dont want to hear that shit again.
For that im saying you geppy , Krasniqi is albanian but have Germany citizenship . Sulltan and Boytsov they have russian citizenship but dont like to call him self russian .
geppy
09-13-2007, 05:42 PM
Sulltan and Boytsov they have russian citizenship but dont like to call him self russian .
Really, so that is why Sultan fought for the Russian boxing team at the Olympics, and is having his first World title defense in Moscow.
curmudgeon
09-13-2007, 06:01 PM
Anothers like Ibragimov, Boytsov are with muslim religion
You are an idiot.
1) Boytsov is russian
2) There are a lot of russian muslims. religion is not equivalant to nationality.
What a tool.
curmudgeon
09-13-2007, 06:04 PM
Boytsov they have russian citizenship but dont like to call him self russian .
You are a moron who knows absolutely nothing about Boytsov.
Denis is from Orel - [Only registered and activated users can see links]
He is as russian as it gets.
geppy
09-13-2007, 06:14 PM
You are an idiot.
1) Boytsov is russian
2) There are a lot of russian muslims. religion is not equivalant to nationality.
What a tool.
Exactly, what is the deal, if you are muslim relegion you dont count as being Russian?
The British claim every imigrant you could ever imagine as being British. Danny Williams, Audley Harrison, Herbie Hide , ETC, yeah they look real British. However , if a Russian born man (Chagaevs dad) , but has some , tartar blood you dont count as Russian, my god!! Even if Chagaev looks totally white.
Artani
09-13-2007, 07:43 PM
You are a moron who knows absolutely nothing about Boytsov.
Denis is from Orel - [Only registered and activated users can see links]
He is as russian as it gets.
Hey stupid i know more than you , and which one you saying moron aaaaa , do you want to finish in diferent way.
Artani
09-13-2007, 07:44 PM
You are an idiot.
1) Boytsov is russian
2) There are a lot of russian muslims. religion is not equivalant to nationality.
What a tool.
Hey im tolding you carefull in your words because i will broke you noise.
Fuckoff stupid ashole...
Artani
09-13-2007, 07:48 PM
Really, so that is why Sultan fought for the Russian boxing team at the Olympics, and is having his first World title defense in Moscow.
geppy i have a lot of respect for you . Dont take this like ignore , i like Sulltan a lot and Boytsov also but for Sulltan i can say that i saw him some many time with leader of Chechenia Republik and he calls him self Kauwkas.
andyZOR
09-13-2007, 08:11 PM
Maybe you should of made this topic called :
"Best HW from the former USSR? "
Wouldn't need this BS. And if this topic was indeed called that, it would have to go with Wlad Klitschko, then Ruslan Chagaev.
TheGrimReaper
09-13-2007, 08:44 PM
klitschko's are ukranian, chagaev is an uzbekistani, neither are russian
boxingcar
09-15-2007, 12:39 PM
Who told you that Chagaev is russian , you are wrong .
If we looking strait only Povetkin, Maskaev and Valuev are real russians . Anothers like Ibragimov, Boytsov are with muslim religion and dont have nothing with russians. The former Soviet state changes names and surnames.
Boytsov is russian
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who also happens to be a muslim. (it's a religion not a race).
now , if you're saying that they have nothing to do with russians because of their religion , then it's a different issue.
geppy
09-15-2007, 07:20 PM
I am waiting for Boytsov to step up, before for judging him. I have no doubt that Boytsov is Russian.
He is still is only 21 years old, and has yet to face a test in the pro ranks.
Gabriel R.
09-15-2007, 08:36 PM
Interesting poll. Russian or not, I understand the question as: Who is the best heavyweight from the former Soviet Union?
Between Maskaev and Chagaev I would choose Maskaev. As an amateur boxer I would prefer Chagaev, but as a pro I trust in Maskaev.
Liakhovic has had one very good fight, against Brewster. And that's it.
Valuev is a phenomenon, but he never could convince me as a boxer. Despite his huge physical advantage, some of his wins were close, not to say controversial.
Povetkin looks very promising, much more than Dimitrenko. His latest win, over Donald, was very impressive. I hadn't expected it to be so clear.
Ibragimov... Clear win over Briggs, good win over Whitaker. Only a draw vs. Austin. A lot remains to be seen...
So it's either Maskaev or Povetkin. Hard to decide...
edit: Oops, Liakhovic is not even in the poll... Well, it doesn't matter anyway, does it?
geppy
09-15-2007, 08:47 PM
Valuev is Russian
Ibragimov is Russian
Povetkin is Russian
Maskaev is a Russian Citizen ( Both his parents are Russian)
Chagaev is at least half Russian blood
Who is the best Russian HW , of these ? I dont want to hear any more bullshit, about every fighter on this list, some how not being Russian.
geppy
09-15-2007, 09:17 PM
Holy crist, people have claimed Sultan, Boytsov, Chagaev, Maskaev are not Russian.
Chagaevs mom is Chechen ( a pissed off muslim region of Russia), and Uzbek. Chagaev's dad is Dagestani (Another Russian muslim region) and part tarter. Chagaev is at least half Russian.
Both Maskaev parents were Russian , but I believe his father was in the military and relocated to Kazakhstan during the Soviet era.
Sultan and Boytsov are both Russian, despite being Muslim.
andyZOR
09-15-2007, 09:49 PM
Holy crist, people have claimed Sultan, Boytsov, Chagaev, Maskaev are not Russian.
Chagaevs mom is Chechen ( a pissed off muslim region of Russia), and Uzbek. Chagaev's dad is Dagestani (Another Russian muslim region) and part tarter. Chagaev is at least half Russian.
Both Maskaev parents were Russian , but I believe his father was in the military and relocated to Kazakhstan during the Soviet era.
Sultan and Boytsov are both Russian, despite being Muslim.
Just change the topic name to, Whos the best heavyweight form the former USSR. Wouldn't stress you as much :p
C Money
09-15-2007, 11:11 PM
Is Wladimir not Russian??
Technically he's Ukranian, but that was former USSR.
Unless there's some techical/ethical restriction??
Wladimir is clearly the man right now:good
curmudgeon
09-16-2007, 03:59 AM
Hey im tolding you carefull in your words because i will broke you noise.
Fuckoff stupid ashole...
You are not only a complete moron - you are a pencil-necked dipshit. Pull your head out of your ass, retard.
El Bombasto
09-16-2007, 10:12 AM
Vitali Klitschko, and it is not close.
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TanstA
09-16-2007, 10:15 AM
(too bad for him that he will lose to Holyfield in October):!: KO BABY!
I like Holy too but dont be fooled by the Lou Saverese match. Sultan is no Lou Saverese.
TanstA
09-16-2007, 10:16 AM
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If you want to be technical yes. Klitchko is Ukrainian but he falls under the russian category too. So my pick right now is Klitchko or Sultan.
Dorfmeister
09-16-2007, 01:54 PM
Who do you think is the best Russian HW? Chagaev, Ibragimov, Maskaev , Povetkin, or Valuev?
I am not sure if Sasha Povetkin is that gifted and boxing smart to match the best out there, he may fail to adjust to Chris Byrd's stance and approach but in case he doesn't, Wlad will have a much better opposition in him than against both Byrd and Brock... Chagaev is mostly one european based boxer but that's not a disadvantage and I believe he's much stronger and heavy handed than Iggy or Sasha ( Povetkin not Dimitrenko). I think honestly that this thread blurs more than anything else cause we are talking about different fighters who evolved professionally in different environments, Povetkin, Dimitrenko and Chagaev in Europe, Iggy, Maskaev in the US... Alexander Zolkin was not a fighter with a characteristic russian style but he was very gifted, possibly as technically sound as Wlad but he couldn't prevail.
JERMZ BOXING
09-16-2007, 02:19 PM
the best russian HW to me is.... IVAN DRAGO
the best russian HW to me is.... IVAN DRAGO
"If he dies, he dies."
El Bombasto
09-16-2007, 04:42 PM
"If he dies, he dies."
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"I must break you"
Grebfan9
09-16-2007, 05:57 PM
Question for all you guys - Are there any other Eastern European
heavyweights that have potential???
I'm talking about heavyweights that are just starting out - with
maybe five or six fights - that you feel are talented and capable
of moving up the ranks. If you have additional info, such as
height, reach, age, boxing style, etc., please post it.
Thanks, very interested in hearing about future heavy contenders.
@ Grebfan9 Dennis Boystov 185cm Age 21 record: 18(16 ko)-0-0 aggressive crowd-pleasing style
maybe he is to small to deal with the top guys
amateur record 115-15
2002 won Cadet World Championship at Heavyweight
2004 won Junior World Championship at Superheavyweight
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Alexander Ustinov from Belarus 30 years old record: 7(7ko's) - 0 - 0
former K1 fighter
height 202cm weight 130kg
He is big, strong and can take a punch
Artani
09-16-2007, 10:11 PM
You are not only a complete moron - you are a pencil-necked dipshit. Pull your head out of your ass, retard.
See you soon and we will see whichone will put head in the ass.
geppy
09-22-2007, 08:47 PM
I am growing weary of all these god damn injuries. At least you can count on Sultan to show up and fight. Although , his opponents always seem to keep getting sick ( Briggs twice) and injured (Chagaev). God willing , HGHfield doenst get in trouble for buying drugs, or tear a muscle do to drug use, or something.
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