Where do you rank Emile Griffith on your p4p list?

[ChrisPontius]

The man has an amazing record, from welter to middleweight and has been succesful at the top for a very long time. Anyone here who ranks him in their top35?

[cotto20]

I think Emile should be in the top 40, great fighter, just a little inconsistet at times! bert sugar ranked him number 29 on his list!

[GPater11093]

i dont do lists really

but he is definitly an ATG no doubt about it thats around top 40 i'd saynear Carmen Basilio IMO

[Longhhorn71]

i dont do lists really

but he is definitly an ATG no doubt about it thats around top 40 i'd saynear Carmen Basilio IMO

Had a 3 fight series with Luis Rodriquez, going 2-1 with all fights very close.

3 fight series with Nino going 1-2

2 fight series with Monzon 0-2, but competitive.

0-1 against Napoles.

2-0 against Dick Tiger

Did win one of the first Jr. MW titles.

Beat many of the other very good contenders in the welterweight & MW Division.

Would have liked to have seen him fight Curtis Cokes.

[GPater11093]

Had a 3 fight series with Luis Rodriquez, going 2-1 with all fights very close.

3 fight series with Nino going 1-2

2 fight series with Monzon 0-2, but competitive.

0-1 against Napoles.

Did win one of the first Jr. MW titles.

Beat many of the other very good contenders in the welterweight & MW Division.

Would have liked to have seen him fight Curtis Cokes.

he won an IBU title at JMW. The IBU was being run by the WBC president Jose Sulaman so afew years later it was changed to a WBC belt and Griffith was awarded it

[Jorodz]

too inconsistent to be at the very top but skill set and resume wise he's top 50. where in the top fifty i don't know. he had the potential to be top 30 but he had too many slip ups, even in his prime, for me to put him there

[McGrain]

I think i had him at #29 last time around. Great, great fighter.

[the cobra]

20-30 range

[red cobra]

He may have been inconsistant during his career, but he is for me, one of the very special fighters who helped interest me in the sport of boxing, and while he was not "the greatest of all time" or a virtuouso in any aspect of the sport, he was a specialized taste, to be sure, and was a master mechanic at his best...a guy who, after the tragedy of the Benny Paret fight transform him into what many would describe as a "boring fighter"...a passive at times, disinterested and detached performer who seemed to always be happy just winning on points..and was a 15 rounder fighter par excellance. He was an intelligent aggressor at times against a boxer, and could be a subtle, smart and effective boxer when facing a slugger...he was, again maddenly erratic, or rather "inconsistant", but usually accounted well for himself in rematches. I appreciate his career, and even those nights when he was too effectively dull for most fans...he was a real pro who knew what he was doing, IMO, and like I said earlier today, he has a place in any list I make of great welters and middles.

[ChrisPontius]

Would have liked to have seen him fight Curtis Cokes.

Who would've been your pick for this one?


He may have been inconsistant during his career, but he is for me, one of the very special fighters who helped interest me in the sport of boxing, and while he was not "the greatest of all time" or a virtuouso in any aspect of the sport, he was a specialized taste, to be sure, and was a master mechanic at his best...a guy who, after the tragedy of the Benny Paret fight transform him into what many would describe as a "boring fighter"...a passive at times, disinterested and detached performer who seemed to always be happy just winning on points..and was a 15 rounder fighter par excellance. He was an intelligent aggressor at times against a boxer, and could be a subtle, smart and effective boxer when facing a slugger...he was, again maddenly erratic, or rather "inconsistant", but usually accounted well for himself in rematches. I appreciate his career, and even those nights when he was too effectively dull for most fans...he was a real pro who knew what he was doing, IMO, and like I said earlier today, he has a place in any list I make of great welters and middles.

Although i haven't seen much film of him, he always looked like he knew very well what he was doing; technique- as well as long run strategy-wise. When you investigate the records of the top boxers from 147 to 160lbs of that period, almost all of them share one thing: a loss to this man. There were few who bested him when he was on top of his game, and let's not forget that Monzon is probably the best middleweight ever, and Napoles belongs to the best welterweights ever. Carter did destroy him, but when fighting as often as he did, constantly against top notch opponents, i think one is entitled to an off night...

[red cobra]

Although it was never proven to be so in a rematch, I have always believed that the Carter 1 round ko over Griffith was a one-time fluke, and not only do I not believe that it would have happened in a rematch, but I believe that a smarter, improved Griffith would have won in a rematch. The only guy Griffith could not beat in a rematch was Monzon, and that fight was very, very close and in the eyes of some, debatable. Griffith would have IMO, decisioned Carter in a rematch.

[red cobra]

My apologies for the pathologically obsessive use of the word "rematch" in my previous post..I'm a bit tired (lol).

[Jorodz]

He may have been inconsistant during his career, but he is for me, one of the very special fighters who helped interest me in the sport of boxing, and while he was not "the greatest of all time" or a virtuouso in any aspect of the sport, he was a specialized taste, to be sure, and was a master mechanic at his best...a guy who, after the tragedy of the Benny Paret fight transform him into what many would describe as a "boring fighter"...a passive at times, disinterested and detached performer who seemed to always be happy just winning on points..and was a 15 rounder fighter par excellance. He was an intelligent aggressor at times against a boxer, and could be a subtle, smart and effective boxer when facing a slugger...he was, again maddenly erratic, or rather "inconsistant", but usually accounted well for himself in rematches. I appreciate his career, and even those nights when he was too effectively dull for most fans...he was a real pro who knew what he was doing, IMO, and like I said earlier today, he has a place in any list I make of great welters and middles.

this is about the most perfect description i can imagine for griffith. fantastic post!:good

[Manassa]

I don't know why, but I often like to think of Griffith having added several fighters to his record: Marvin Hagler, Gene Fullmer, Joey Giardello, Curtis Cokes and Rodrigo Valdez.

On top of what he already had, I think he'd be the most proven fighter ever, what with Tiger, Napoles, Monzon, Benvenuti and Rodriguez already there plus a shit load of contenders.

I know it didn't happen, I just wish it did so I could say he had the best ever record :mad:

[red cobra]

this is about the most perfect description i can imagine for griffith. fantastic post!:good
Thanks Jorodz..Griffith WAS an acquired taste..and not everybody acquired that taste, case in point, if you ever should watch a tape of the second Griffith-Tiger fight, I don't know which round exactly, but I think it's one of the later rounds, maybe even the last round, as they are boxing, someone from the crowd shouts out loud enough to be heard clearly.."Griffith..you stink!" He wasn't always the crowd favorite to put it mildly. That rematch was a master class put on by Griffith, even if you consider that it was the old Tiger's last fight...but that guy hollering that out at Griffith over the din of the crowd is something I remember so well about that fight.

[The Funny Man 7]

He's a legit all time great. I wouldn't want to have to rank him compared to so many other great fighters, but he had outstanding talent, and that he was able to do so much after the Paret tragedy proves what an outstanding fighter he was, to carry on like that.

[Flea Man]

In my post-1930 ATG P4P list I have him at about........25 I think.

[Ezzard]

An amazing fighter with bags of skill. Often seemed to hold back but he was one of the true greats of the last 50 years.

[junior-soprano]

definetely in my top 40 probably somewhere between 30 and 40