Mundines next fight

[cedrichw]

Billy Lyell in Tasmania in November

[cedrichw]

and also if you read the Contender contract you will see it says the winner MAY fight Anthony Mundine. If the right guy doesn't win it Choc and khoder still have the right to knock the fight back. double bill with Geale in Tas looking towards a rematch with him next year. so the contender winner will have to fit around that to get a shot at choc

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Cedric - so you're saying:

Double header in Tassie:
1/ Geale vs unknown opponent
2/ Mundine vs Lyell

Followed by in early Feb:
Geale vs Mundine

[Phil Austin]

Couple of good fights shaping on the undercard as well

[IrnBruMan]

Wow, big overseas opponent name in Lyell :zzzz

20-7-0 with 4 wins by KO.

What a dangerous opponent :roll:

[ashley]

If this is made then......Very smart move from Mundine's team

Lyell is a good fighter ranked in the top 10 MW's in the USA and from Pavliks hometown. :thumbsup

I am looking forward to this one:pop

After a SD win over Duddy and being only 25 Lyell is coming into his prime. Hes had the big fights against some solid top 15 world MW's. :deal

Nobody can say this is a step back for Mundine can they?

Also with Mundine fighting Geale early next year then the winner of the contender looks like things are looking up for Mundine. :blah

[cedrichw]

Cedric - so you're saying:

Double header in Tassie:
1/ Geale vs unknown opponent
2/ Mundine vs Lyell

Followed by in early Feb:
Geale vs Mundine


thats nabout it mate not 100% sure of the date of the geale v Choc but there abouts give or take a month also choc might think those numbers were the other way round he is the co main not number 2 hahahahaha and contender will just have to work around that if choc and khoder want the fight

[20a87]

I think mundine is wasting his skills with these fights, he should rematch geale as a stepping stone to america, cant see pavlik beating a sharp mundine, cant see mora beating mundine cant see winky beating him.

Im from england so im not sure on his pulling power so could someone tell me how much he gets per fight?

[LeonMcS]

Originally posted by ashley
Nobody can say this is a step back for Mundine can they?

Also with Mundine fighting Geale early next year then the winner of the contender looks like things are looking up for Mundine.

Ash, just wondering, if the NRL team you follow played a team from the bottom 4 every week and won, yet never played anyone in the top 8, would you go around proclaiming them the best team in the comp?

[ashley]

I think mundine is wasting his skills with these fights, he should rematch geale as a stepping stone to america, cant see pavlik beating a sharp mundine, cant see mora beating mundine cant see winky beating him.

Im from england so im not sure on his pulling power so could someone tell me how much he gets per fight?

I had no idea Mundine had a fan outside AUST :good

The fight with Lyell is a good move because hes from Pavliks home town....it will help Mundine get exposure in the states.

I can see Mundine beating Wright and Mora but not Pavlik......anyway if you keep posting Mundine beates Pavlik you will take over as the number 1 nuthugger thats for sure :lol:

[ashley]

Ash, just wondering, if the NRL team you follow played a team from the bottom 4 every week and won, yet never played anyone in the top 8, would you go around proclaiming them the best team in the comp?

No but I dont say Mundines the best either :yep

Just solid top 10 at MW and top 5 SMW

If he beates Lyell and beates Geale again maybe top 5 MW :good

[20a87]

Pavlik is a hype job all he has is the one two, mundine is a slick boxer who has all the skill in the world but is wasting it, he should school most fighters but chooses not to. from the fights ive seen he seems to lack confidence in fights that can be seen as a toss up like the kessler bout and the ottke fight whereas he couldve beaten both especially ottke. But saying that im still tryin to track down more of his fights.

[ashley]

Pavlik is a hype job all he has is the one two, mundine is a slick boxer who has all the skill in the world but is wasting it, he should school most fighters but chooses not to. from the fights ive seen he seems to lack confidence in fights that can be seen as a toss up like the kessler bout and the ottke fight whereas he couldve beaten both especially ottke. But saying that im still tryin to track down more of his fights.

Geale VS Mundine was a very good fight 3 or 4 months ago.....they both did very well and went toe to toe most of the fight.....could have gone either way on the cards but the best "man" won on the day :yep

Look through the main forum maybe about 3 to 5 pages back and you will see a 5 mins highlight reel of Mundine.....its worth a look. :good

[Phil Austin]

I think mundine is wasting his skills with these fights, he should rematch geale as a stepping stone to america, cant see pavlik beating a sharp mundine, cant see mora beating mundine cant see winky beating him.

Im from england so im not sure on his pulling power so could someone tell me how much he gets per fight?

Mundine and Green are easily our best paid fighters. Choc gets a shitload but then again he is also heavily involved in the promotional side of the show. Welcome to the neighbourhood, whereabouts in England are you from?

[20a87]

Geale VS Mundine was a very good fight 3 or 4 months ago.....they both did very well and went toe to toe most of the fight.....could have gone either way on the cards but the best "man" won on the day :yep

Look through the main forum maybe about 3 to 5 pages back and you will see a 5 mins highlight reel of Mundine.....its worth a look. :good

seen a fair few of his fights, the geale fight was v.good i really didnt like nasser's mid fight comments but the right guy won

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Lyell vs Mundine could actually be a good match-up.

Have seen footage of Lyell vs Duddy, and Lyell is as willing a fighter as you'll ever find. Looked better in that fight than the rest of his record suggests anyway. Lyell may struggle to connect with the elusive Mundine, but IMO Mundine will struggle to KO Lyell, and therefore have to put up with plenty along the way.

Not sure it's actually a fight that's any kind of stepping-stone for Mundine, but one that might test him none the less.

[Phil Austin]

Oh are you gunna be popular around here! LOL

[20a87]

Mundine and Green are easily our best paid fighters. Choc gets a shitload but then again he is also heavily involved in the promotional side of the show. Welcome to the neighbourhood, whereabouts in England are you from?

cheers im from Newcastle (its the best part), i figured he got enough to be comfortable without regulary fighting dangerous guys. Green is ok from what i've seen but jones will hammer him. Is the man more popular than katsidis and darchinyan in oz?

[Phil Austin]

If you said London you would be right! How's the CC Championship going? Purely Belter? ;) Katsidis by far the more popular out of the two although Vic is the superior fighter IMO, many reasons for that

[MiracleMan]

Fighting Lyell is a very smart move. It brings Jack Leow down here. And it gets a shit load of press in Ohio and even the US. It is the one fight that gives Mundine enough hype to fight Pavlik without actually fighting in the US. Lyell is top 15. He beat John Duddy in his last fight.

[ashley]

Fighting Lyell is a very smart move. It brings Jack Leow down here. And it gets a shit load of press in Ohio and even the US. It is the one fight that gives Mundine enough hype to fight Pavlik without actually fighting in the US. Lyell is top 15. He beat John Duddy in his last fight.

Yep agree with that......its a smart move :good

[MiracleMan]

Lyell vs Mundine could actually be a good match-up.

Have seen footage of Lyell vs Duddy, and Lyell is as willing a fighter as you'll ever find. Looked better in that fight than the rest of his record suggests anyway. Lyell may struggle to connect with the elusive Mundine, but IMO Mundine will struggle to KO Lyell, and therefore have to put up with plenty along the way.

Not sure it's actually a fight that's any kind of stepping-stone for Mundine, but one that might test him none the less.

Lyell is top 15. Hes better than Espino, Ornelas and Karmazin. Its a step up.

[IrnBruMan]

If this is made then......Very smart move from Mundine's team

Lyell is a good fighter ranked in the top 10 MW's in the USA and from Pavliks hometown. :thumbsup

I am looking forward to this one:pop

After a SD win over Duddy and being only 25 Lyell is coming into his prime. Hes had the big fights against some solid top 15 world MW's. :deal

Nobody can say this is a step back for Mundine can they?

Also with Mundine fighting Geale early next year then the winner of the contender looks like things are looking up for Mundine. :blah

wow, spindoctor in full effect

[MiracleMan]

wow, spindoctor in full effect
nBPQupMS1BY

[PorkChopExpress]

Commentator is right in that first round - Duddy was lucky Lyell wasn't a big puncher. He got some good shots on him there.

Not to say he is an inkling of a challenge for Mundine though, who looks like he will be 5kg and 1 foot bigger than Lyell if they fight.

[sallywinder]

who really cares any more?










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[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Commentator is right in that first round - Duddy was lucky Lyell wasn't a big puncher. He got some good shots on him there.

Not to say he is an inkling of a challenge for Mundine though, who looks like he will be 5kg and 1 foot bigger than Lyell if they fight.

Mundine is 2 inches taller. But Lyell went in against Duddy at 158 and Mundine against Geale at just over 159. But yes Mundine was cut out to be a bigger guy.

If Lyell does happen to win, assuming Mundine defends the IBO title, I'd mean Geale vs Lyell in Feb.

[Phil Austin]

It may be even sooner than that CHB - the deadline is Feb, Lyell would inherit the mandatory and so more than likely would be his first defence

[roscoe]

WOW!!! Calls out Pavlik, calls out Sturm...........ends up with Lyle. Sorry Ash & mandy supporters but going from fighting the likes of Ottke, Kessler & Siaca.....even Green........and people are still applauding him for stepping up. He's been up & guess what.......he's just not good enough to beat the top, period!

Mandy is nothing more than the B grade champion, who really struggled in his last fight with a young up & comer in Geale, some say he lost me included.

I like watching Mandy fight, I luv what he's done for Oz boxing but enough's enough. Fight the best & beat the best if ya keep saying your the best...........stop running from them.

[cookie the carr]

I read MUNDINE want's to defend the I.B.O belt in fiji against JOY''THE JET''ALI.

[ashley]

I read MUNDINE want's to defend the I.B.O belt in fiji against JOY''THE JET''ALI.

I hope not :-(

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

I read MUNDINE want's to defend the I.B.O belt in fiji against JOY''THE JET''ALI.

The Jet has too many belts already without adding Mundine's IBO strap:

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[daz52]

What happended to "this is a historic night because its my last fight in Aus before i take on the world?"

Now we get Billy who in Tasmania?

Anthony can spin this shit any way he wants its always going to be pathetic. This guy is just one let down after another. He fought Shannan and won the WBA International MW title. So why not force the fight with Sturm which he was supposedly a mandatory to? You cant tell me having the WBA and IBO MW titles doesnt help in making the fight with Pavlik huge. Its better then fighting a guy who just so happens to have the same trainer as Pavlik.

Billy Lyell wins a fluke against the all hype John Duddy and suddenly hes a top or well rated MW... Give me a fucking brake.

[MiracleMan]

I read MUNDINE want's to defend the I.B.O belt in fiji against JOY''THE JET''ALI.
I told you guys months ago the guy is notorious for making stuff up.:patsch

[MiracleMan]

What happended to "this is a historic night because its my last fight in Aus before i take on the world?"

Now we get Billy who in Tasmania?

Anthony can spin this shit any way he wants its always going to be pathetic. This guy is just one let down after another. He fought Shannan and won the WBA International MW title. So why not force the fight with Sturm which he was supposedly a mandatory to? You cant tell me having the WBA and IBO MW titles doesnt help in making the fight with Pavlik huge. Its better then fighting a guy who just so happens to have the same trainer as Pavlik.

Billy Lyell wins a fluke against the all hype John Duddy and suddenly hes a top or well rated MW... Give me a fucking brake.

Billy Lyell is a top 15 Middleweight and he brings recognition from Youngstown. A few geniuses here can't seem to realize bringing Pavliks trainer down under will faciliate a fight between the two.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

What happended to "this is a historic night because its my last fight in Aus before i take on the world?"

Clearly he meant mainland Australia Daz!

[Francis75]

Gee Mundine is fighting another journeyman. He really is a fraud. He has no intention of EVER fighting a top quality opponent overseas. He did try earlier in his career and wasn't good enough. As someone said earlier, Mundine is just a B level fighter who fights D and C level fighters. It's just smoke and mirrors with Mundine.

[daz52]

Billy Lyell is a top 15 Middleweight and he brings recognition from Youngstown. A few geniuses here can't seem to realize bringing Pavliks trainer down under will faciliate a fight between the two.


I am a fan of Mundine but lets not talk shit alright.

Lyell getting a SD over Duddy does not make him a Top 15 MW. So stop saying it.A one off win against a guy who was all hype anyway does not make you a legitimate contender for anyone. Anthony shouldnt be fighting him.

Now you can go on all you like about Jack Leow coming here, but Top Rank and Bob Arum are not going to make a fight with Mundine automatically just because Jack Leow visited Tasmanina!!!

You tell me whats more impressive and more likely to have fans and boxing people calling for a Pavlik V Mundine fight:

Mundine beating the bum Jack Leow just so happens to train

or

Mundine coming down to MW, winning the IBO title from an undefeated fighter then beating the guy everyone considers the second best MW in the world and winning the WBA MW title?

As i said, Mudnine won the WBA International MW title. Now as much as all these belts are bullshit to me, bullshit talks and Mundine should be going overseas as he went on and on and on about doing.

[daz52]

Clearly he meant mainland Australia Daz!


Haha should have known it mate :good

[ranser]

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[20a87]

there should be a geale rematch however he seems to be asking for a lot more money which is causing the delay yet understandable as after mundine blots his record with a second loss where does he go from there?

also if the paul williams/pavlik fight does fall through pavlik will need a tune up to avoid ring rust then maybe mundine in the first half of 2010, or williams batters pavlik and mundine is seen as a good comeback fight.

Id like to see him face sturm also but not in germany or australia to avoid any controversy

[VIP]

Awful fights for Mundine. Promises the world but re-treads the same grounds.

Billy Lyell?
Rematch with Geale?
fight against the contender winner?

TBH, I don't think these are bad fights on a domestic level. With that talent that Mundine possesses, he's really squandered it. Maybe he just doesn't have it anymore. He should have beaten Geale much more comfortably than he did. But you'd at least like to see him try again on the world scene against a Sturm, Pavlik, or Winky.

[flamengo]

Awful fights for Mundine. Promises the world but re-treads the same grounds.

Billy Lyell?
Rematch with Geale?
fight against the contender winner?

TBH, I don't think these are bad fights on a domestic level. With that talent that Mundine possesses, he's really squandered it. Maybe he just doesn't have it anymore. He should have beaten Geale much more comfortably than he did. But you'd at least like to see him try again on the world scene against a Sturm, Pavlik, or Winky.

Wasting time has been a career for Mundine. Like you say, the contender dribble is a joke, and a big waste of time, especially since it will curtail any potential realistic happenings O/S... not that any seem to be eventuating in the future.

The Geale fight will be huge, as Geale did a pretty good job against Mundine the first time, typically the cash cow is firmly wedged up Mundines arse and forcing him to screw Geale over for as much money as possible. Fingers crossed Geale walks away with a fair share of the $$$$ from the rematch as well as the IBO belt. Being the No.1 mandatory, lets hope finances are well in his court.

Thoughts of Mundine facing Sturm or Pavlik are nil. Both should have been on his radar 12 months ago and contracted by now.

[stiflers mum]

there should be a geale rematch however he seems to be asking for a lot more money which is causing the delay yet understandable as after mundine blots his record with a second loss where does he go from there?

also if the paul williams/pavlik fight does fall through pavlik will need a tune up to avoid ring rust then maybe mundine in the first half of 2010, or williams batters pavlik and mundine is seen as a good comeback fight.

Id like to see him face sturm also but not in germany or australia to avoid any controversy
i heard some commentators on a friday night card mention ODLH and Russell Crowe were trying to get Sturm/Mundine in the U.S.A. on a big fight undercard. but thats probably bullshit.

[MiracleMan]

i heard some commentators on a friday night card mention ODLH and Russell Crowe were trying to get Sturm/Mundine in the U.S.A. on a big fight undercard. but thats probably bullshit.
Don't get your hopes up. These two are the highest paid middleweights in the world.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

there should be a geale rematch however he seems to be asking for a lot more money which is causing the delay yet understandable as after mundine blots his record with a second loss where does he go from there?


There was every indication that Mundine's camp were just plain avoiding Geale's until only just recently. Mundine's talk of repeated offers and Geale's camp wanting too much are probably just part of the usual fanciful b/s.

Geale's 28 and giving it a red hot go, something nobody could never accuse Mundine of. A loss for Geale would be a set-back. A loss for the 34 year old, going nowhere fast Mundine, would be disasterous.

[Da_Hurricane_Briggs]

heard shannon taylor and medley on undercard.

being touted as 4 main events...i think shannon goin for IBO international middleweight title

[one in a million]

Evenly matched, it should make for a good night of fights.

[Da_Hurricane_Briggs]

sorry guys just re-read my comment and i think ppl may have read taylor v medley.

in actual fact its being billed as 4 main events....Medley , Taylor , Mundine , Geale all fighting yet to be announced opponents

Taylor will be fighting for IBO International Middleweight Title as i mentioned earlier

October 21st at Launceston Silverdome

[ashley]

sorry guys just re-read my comment and i think ppl may have read taylor v medley.

in actual fact its being billed as 4 main events....Medley , Taylor , Mundine , Geale all fighting yet to be announced opponents

Taylor will be fighting for IBO International Middleweight Title as i mentioned earlier

October 21st at Launceston Silverdome


I thought Sam Soliman had that title :huh

[flamengo]

I thought Sam Soliman had that title :huh

IBO international Asian Pacific title...

[MiracleMan]

IBO international Asian Pacific title...
Any Chance Medleys fighting for the IBO Diamond Light Middleweight-Middleweight Catchweight title? :patsch:lol:

[Phil Austin]

IBO international Asian Pacific title...

It's actually the Asia Pacific title that Sam holds, International does not come into it. Don't make make a special trip down there just to fuck you up Vinnie :bbb

[MiracleMan]

Billy Lyell in Tasmania in November
:think

[Kegsy]

Billy Lyell in Tasmania in November
:huh:huh:huh:yep

[cedrichw]

Kegsy

not sure what that means however I just had a look and realised I should have put October not November. Have you heard different because it may have changed

[BigEars]

So boxrec have Mundine scheduled to face Falliga, a man who Zbik widely outpointed, Lee knocked out in 5(flooring him several times on route) and Rafael Pintos beat on a split.

I know this is probably just a tune up for Mundine, but why pick an opponent of that level ?, I mean even Billy Lyell was a much much better opponent !

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

So boxrec have Mundine scheduled to face Falliga, a man who Zbik widely outpointed, Lee knocked out in 5(flooring him several times on route) and Rafael Pintos beat on a split. I know this is probably just a tune up for Mundine, but why pick an opponent of that level ?, I mean even Billy Lyell was a much much better opponent !

Lyell, on his performance against Duddy, may well have troubled Mundine, so was probably never under consideration.

[ashley]

Lyell, on his performance against Duddy, may well have troubled Mundine, so was probably never under consideration.

Lyell was under consideration :deal

[Kegsy]

Lyell was never under consideration :deal
:deal

[ashley]

Mundines the best :deal

Oh shit looks like Kegsys turned nuthugger as well :rofl

[MiracleMan]

Lyell was under consideration :deal
Well who was Ash. All this crap has gone to far.

[Kegsy]

Oh shit looks like Kegsys turned nuthugger as well :rofl
:lol:

[MiracleMan]

So boxrec have Mundine scheduled to face Falliga, a man who Zbik widely outpointed, Lee knocked out in 5(flooring him several times on route) and Rafael Pintos beat on a split.

I know this is probably just a tune up for Mundine, but why pick an opponent of that level ?, I mean even Billy Lyell was a much much better opponent !

Mundine and his manager don't understand the fundamentals of boxing. It will come back to bite him in the arse. When he either gets KO'd by one of these guys, cause he doesn't prepare himself properly. Or he gets KO'd against a top guy because of these shit fights.

Past a joke now. Im hoping to see a nice right hook KO that leads Mundine into retirement. All my attention is now focused on Geale.

[ashley]

Well who was Ash. All this crap has gone to far.

I found this out through a party that dont talk shit....he was considered....in the end Mundine decided to go with the tougher fight :D

[MiracleMan]

I found this out through a party that dont talk shit....he was considered....in the end Mundine decided to go with the tougher fight :D
I can't see any reason why you couldn't name who was being considered. Because 1 it didn't come to reality. And 2, Mundine and his manager don't give a shit what anyone says about him. Not even his fans. So just enlighten everyone.:twisted:

[ashley]

I can't see any reason why you couldn't name who was being considered. Because 1 it didn't come to reality. And 2, Mundine and his manager don't give a shit what anyone says about him. Not even his fans. So just enlighten everyone.:twisted:

I did name the fighter....it was Lyell....I think you fell for Kegsy's trickery ....he changed my post :lol:

[MiracleMan]

I did name the fighter....it was Lyell....I think you fell for Kegsy's trickery ....he changed my post :lol:
lol well who were the other possible fighters.

[ashley]

lol well who were the other possible fighters.

No idea mate.....only got 1 name....looked good when Cedric came out a few days later with the same thing....but Mundine is looking to step up so Lyell was never good enough :D

[MiracleMan]

No idea mate.....only got 1 name....looked good when Cedric came out a few days later with the same thing....but Mundine is looking to step up so Lyell was never good enough :D
Fair enough mate.

[Francis75]

No idea mate.....only got 1 name....looked good when Cedric came out a few days later with the same thing....but Mundine is looking to step up so Lyell was never good enough :D

Really ? Who would have thought.

[BoxingKangaroo]

Billy Lyell in Tasmania in November

box rex have mundine's next opponent listed as Alejandro Gustavo Falliga ([Only registered and activated users can see links])17(6)-5(1)-3

[ashley]

box rex have mundine's next opponent listed as Alejandro Gustavo Falliga ([Only registered and activated users can see links])17(6)-5(1)-3

Dont remind us :patsch

[ranser]

I can't believe he is fighting a no name argentinian again..

Well I can

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Update on Joy 'The Jet' Ali - the Fijian dynamo who's repeatedly called out Mundine.

Julfikar Joy 'The Jet' Ali, the man that Mundine has been ducking and dropping weight divisions to avoid for a long time now - see post #32 in this thread and earlier posts - is scheduled to fight King Davidson at Punchbowl on Feb 27th 2010.

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No doubt the Pioneer will be discretely looking on with interest!

[sallywinder]

Wow, big overseas opponent name in Lyell :zzzz

20-7-0 with 4 wins by KO.

What a dangerous opponent :roll:


mundines chin is no better than the 4 that got kod. its just that he moves better.


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[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Update on Joy 'The Jet' Ali - the Fijian dynamo who's repeatedly called out Mundine.

Julfikar Joy 'The Jet' Ali, the man that Mundine has been ducking and dropping weight divisions to avoid for a long time now - see post #32 in this thread and earlier posts - is scheduled to fight King Davidson at Punchbowl on Feb 27th 2010.

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

No doubt the Pioneer will be discretely looking on with interest!

The jig's finally up on this one Ash!

Milked it for all it was worth.

But didn't think for a moment he had a chance against King Davidson - and all three judges gave Davidson every round.

...but hey, does this loss mean he's less, or more likely to get his wish for a crack at Mundine?

[ashley]

The jig's finally up on this one Ash!

Milked it for all it was worth.

But didn't think for a moment he had a chance against King Davidson - and all three judges gave Davidson every round.

...but hey, does this loss mean he's less, or more likely to get his wish for a crack at Mundine?


:lol:

I dont know mate...looks like a safe option for Mundine

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Mundine was offered both Foch & Duddy but declined!

Writing in this month's edition of Ray Wheatley's 'World of Boxing', Garry Todd claims:

'I had him fights set up with Carl Foch and John Duddy, but I never received a call back. These were high profile fights he could have won, but instead he chose not to. At 34 it seems his best days are behind him, and a fight with Green at light heavyweight would be financially rewarding.'

In Mundine's defence, his phone was probably engaged while he was busy trying to ring Pavlik, Sturm, Kessler etc.

[stiflers mum]

Mundine was offered both Foch & Duddy but declined!

Writing in this month's edition of Ray Wheatley's 'World of Boxing', Garry Todd claims:

'I had him fights set up with Carl Foch and John Duddy, but I never received a call back. These were high profile fights he could have won, but instead he chose not to. At 34 it seems his best days are behind him, and a fight with Green at light heavyweight would be financially rewarding.'
:lol::lol::lol: wonder what lame excuse he has for not taking them.

[20a87]

Mundine was offered both Foch & Duddy but declined!

Writing in this month's edition of Ray Wheatley's 'World of Boxing', Garry Todd claims:

'I had him fights set up with Carl Foch and John Duddy, but I never received a call back. These were high profile fights he could have won, but instead he chose not to. At 34 it seems his best days are behind him, and a fight with Green at light heavyweight would be financially rewarding.'

In Mundine's defence, he his phone was probably engaged because he was busy trying to ring Kessler etc.

Very misleading things to say if he's not going divulge purse splits etc, can't see him turning duddy down for any other reason and froch is a weight class above now.

[ashley]

Mundine was offered both Foch & Duddy but declined!

Writing in this month's edition of Ray Wheatley's 'World of Boxing', Garry Todd claims:

'I had him fights set up with Carl Foch and John Duddy, but I never received a call back. These were high profile fights he could have won, but instead he chose not to. At 34 it seems his best days are behind him, and a fight with Green at light heavyweight would be financially rewarding.'

Interesting....I wonder when these fights were offered?...Froch has been tied into the super 6 for 8 months now...and wont be fighting anybody out of the 6 until hes finished....why bring this up now....smells suss to me :huh

Also Duddy's stock went down mid 2009 when he was beaten by Lyell.....thats why we saw talk of Mundine and Geale V Lyell last year.....because Duddy dropped off the radar

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Very misleading things to say if he's not going divulge purse splits etc, can't see him turning duddy down for any other reason and froch is a weight class above now.

John Duddy was being mooted in Sept/Oct last year as being Mundine's opponent for the Tassie card, which also featured Geale.

Instead of Duddy, team Mundine went with the Falliga blockbuster!

[Sox]

Very misleading things to say if he's not going divulge purse splits etc, can't see him turning duddy down for any other reason and froch is a weight class above now.
Crap it's misleading.
Purse splits shouldn't come into for Mandys.
Does he want to fight the best, or does he want the most money?
Can't have it both ways his position.

He's a cash cow fraud, nothing more.

[this bloke]

not the most reliable source
but somebody told me the other day that mundine will be fighting austin trout next

[ashley]

not the most reliable source
but somebody told me the other day that mundine will be fighting austin trout next

Stop stirring the guys mate....everybody knows Mundine cant fight at 160....oops...hes made 160...I meant 154 :D

[ashley]

John Duddy was being mooted in Sept/Oct last year as being Mundine's opponent for the Tassie card, which also featured Geale.

Instead of Duddy, team Mundine went with the Falliga blockbuster!

Why fight Duddy coming off a loss?

Dont you remember all the talk of Geale and Mundine chasing Lyell after he beat Duddy.....thats why Mundine didnt fight Duddy :deal

[ashley]

Crap it's misleading.
Purse splits shouldn't come into for Mandys.
Does he want to fight the best, or does he want the most money?
Can't have it both ways his position.

He's a cash cow fraud, nothing more.

Like I said when was the fight with Froch set?

Froch fought Taylor mid year then joined the super 6....so when was this mystical fight going to happen?

[20a87]

Crap it's misleading.
Purse splits shouldn't come into for Mandys.
Does he want to fight the best, or does he want the most money?
Can't have it both ways his position.

He's a cash cow fraud, nothing more.

Its v.misleading, whats the guys agenda he should post the full facts. Boxing is his job. Neither fight would have been for mega bucks and if the fight wasnt in australia then its not attractive and duddy and froch are hardly the best.

John Duddy was being mooted in Sept/Oct last year as being Mundine's opponent for the Tassie card, which also featured Geale.

Instead of Duddy, team Mundine went with the Falliga blockbuster!

Mooted is different than a made fight.

not the most reliable source
but somebody told me the other day that mundine will be fighting austin trout next

I hope this is shit.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Why fight Duddy coming off a loss?

Dont you remember all the talk of Geale and Mundine chasing Lyell after he beat Duddy.....thats why Mundine didnt fight Duddy..

About half Mundine's oppoents have come off losses Ash.

As for the timing of when Foch and Duddy bouts were, or could have been set - no idea.

You'd have to wonder why Todd would be quoted saying this in a national boxing publication if it wasn't fact.

[20a87]

About half Mundine's oppoents have come off losses Ash.

As for the timing of when Foch and Duddy bouts were, or could have been set - no idea.

You'd have to wonder why Todd would be quoted saying this in a national boxing publication if it wasn't fact.

:deal

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

...and the answer is????

[IrnBruMan]

What's the difference between Danny Green's claims of trying to get fights with B-Hop and Tarver and Mundine's claims of trying to get fights with with Pavlik and Sturm?

A: B-Hop and Tarver confirmed in the media that they had actually been in negotiations with Team Green :yep

[20a87]

...and the answer is????

Well I guess he doesn't get paid by mundine anymore.....

What's the difference between Danny Green's claims of trying to get fights with B-Hop and Tarver and Mundine's claims of trying to get fights with with Pavlik and Sturm?

A: B-Hop and Tarver confirmed in the media that they had actually been in negotiations with Team Green :yep

Creepy puppet :hi:- being wrong is a trademark of yours. The article mentioning mundine vs pavlik was posted and discussed numerous times.

[ashley]

About half Mundine's oppoents have come off losses Ash.

As for the timing of when Foch and Duddy bouts were, or could have been set - no idea.

You'd have to wonder why Todd would be quoted saying this in a national boxing publication if it wasn't fact.


Thats why I said why has this just come out now?

No way the Froch fight was proposed in the last 6 months....so why say it now :huh

[ashley]

About half Mundine's oppoents have come off losses Ash.....

.

Only 1 of Mundines oppoents has come off a loss in his last 15 fights.....and that was a loss to Mads Larsen :deal

Dont think its fair to make this point mate....you must be looking at Mundines first 15 fights :lol:

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Only 1 of Mundines oppoents has come off a loss in his last 15 fights.....and that was a loss to Mads Larsen :deal

Dont think its fair to make this point mate....you must be looking at Mundines first 15 fights :lol:

The original statement is correct Ash....but if you want to disect it, yes they were mainly in the first half of his career.

[ashley]

The original statement is correct Ash....but if you want to disect it, yes they were mainly in the first half of his career.


All I was saying is Mundine wont fight anybody coming off a loss as its bad for publicity.....the first half of his career is different of course

But anyway...back to the point at hand...when do you think the Froch fight was set for?

Do you have anything further from the article?

I just don't see why Mundine would fight Duddy coming off a loss and don't see how a fight with Froch could have been planned after August September last year....so why come out with it 7 months later :huh

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Thats why I said why has this just come out now?

No way the Froch fight was proposed in the last 6 months....so why say it now :huh

The context of the question 'World of Boxing' put to Todd and others was their prediction for Green v Mundine II.

I guess Todd is alluding to Mundine's easy path and that there was nothing stopping him challenging himself more by fighting say a Duddy, instead of a Falliga.

Incidentally, Todd predicted Green by TKO, and of the 15 views they sought (inc Sam Soliman, Charkey Ramon, Jeff Malcolm etc) the breakdown was:

Green to win:
10 votes (9 said by KO and 1 by Pts).

versus

Mundine to win:
5 votes (and all predicted by Pts).

[Sox]

Its v.misleading, whats the guys agenda he should post the full facts. Boxing is his job. Neither fight would have been for mega bucks and if the fight wasnt in australia then its not attractive and duddy and froch are hardly the best.
Of course it wouldn't have been for mega bucks, Mandy can't pull mega bucks. :huh

And why isn't it attractive if outside of OZ, oh that's right because he can't pull the big $$.
But wouldn't a fight like that help him secure bigger fights outside of OZ, with more money (if of course he won). Gee, now that's too fucken logical. :patsch

BTW, Froch is top 10, and Duddy is a whole lot better than Argie cabbies.
You don't have much of an idea eh.....:deal

[ashley]

The context of the question 'World of Boxing' put to Todd and others was their prediction for Green v Mundine II.

I guess Todd is alluding to Mundine's easy path and that there was nothing stopping him challenging himself more by fighting say a Duddy, instead of a Falliga.

Incidentally, Todd predicted Green by TKO, and of the 15 views they sought (inc Sam Soliman, Charkey Ramon, Jeff Malcolm etc) the breakdown was:

Green to win:
10 votes (9 said by KO and 1 by Pts).

versus

Mundine to win:
5 votes (and all predicted by Pts).


Ok now I understand a bit more

And yes the Falinga fight sucked

[20a87]

Of course it wouldn't have been for mega bucks, Mandy can't pull mega bucks. :huh

And why isn't it attractive if outside of OZ, oh that's right because he can't pull the big $$.
But wouldn't a fight like that help him secure bigger fights outside of OZ, with more money (if of course he won). Gee, now that's too fucken logical. :patsch

BTW, Froch is top 10, and Duddy is a whole lot better than Argie cabbies.
You don't have much of an idea eh.....:deal

Mundine makes more in oz than he would fighting abroad and it would be his promotion.

Fighting duddy obviously leads to more recognition but like ashley said lyell was a better option especially when he has designs on pavlik.

Froch is in a different weight class and if u think duddy beats "the man" or even runs him close then you need a check up

@ ashley check ur pm

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

...Fighting duddy obviously leads to more recognition but like ashley said lyell was a better option especially when he has designs on pavlik.

Fact is he didn't fight Duddy or Lyell, he fought Falliga, and he's no closer to Pavlik as a result, probably further away!

Froch is in a different weight class

Fighting at light heavy (probably for the cruiser belt) won't keep Mundine away from Green v Mundine II. Super middle would probably be Mundine's most ideal body weight.

Who knows why he's yo-yoing up and down divisions - pioneering?? - but for what gain??

and if u think duddy beats "the man" or even runs him close then you need a check up

Why not fight him then?? What did he gain out of fighting Falliga other than a few more months on his age?? At least people overseas know who Duddy is, even if he might have been coming off a loss.

@ ashley check ur pm

See comments above.

[Sox]

Mundine makes more in oz than he would fighting abroad and it would be his promotion.
Yes, we know that. But as I said, shouldn't it be more about fighting better fighters, rather than money? I mean he claims he is the best, man. :patsch

Fighting duddy obviously leads to more recognition but like ashley said lyell was a better option especially when he has designs on pavlik.
But he fought Falliga?
Mandy has no designs on Pavlik.

Froch is in a different weight class
Pfffft, anyone who is a threat is in a different weight class according to the man. :lol:
And Froch is not in a different weight class anyway, if you go by what weight Mandy has fought at for the majority of his career.
The entire swapping weight classes is a joke and you know it. :deal

and if u think duddy beats "the man" or even runs him close then you need a check up
I didn't say either way. My point was, it would have given him more recognition.
.........

[20a87]

See comments above.

.........

I don't mind going back and forth with you guys on the pros and cons of mundine but the way you both have posted your counter points means i cant quote you properly. Nevertheless:

Froch was not a worthwhile fight prior to getting the wbc title and even then mundine was on his way down in weight so we can ignore the froch angle.

Everyone knows falliga was a shit fight both in terms of opponent and spectacle, however his previous fight had been a war, he was limping about the ring and I can understand a gimme fight also it was billed as the road to the rematch. I wish he had fought lyell just to get at pavlik, who he does have plans for, I reckon hbo pressured kp to fight martinez if not williams.

As far as the mundine weight issue goes he's a middleweight now like it or not, he's been a titlist at the weight. If he drops to 154 I hope he uses the pioneer name as it would go down a storm with boxing fans :deal

We all know he has to step it up in terms of named opponents, I think "the man" wants to (see medley pf interview) aswell. But what boxing fans often neglect to think about is that his job is boxing and boxing is business.

The green fight will happen after the man has a better bargaining position than green but it's been done to death in the last month already.

If I've left anything out I'll add tomorrow its too late here now.

Also mundine is the best :deal

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

You make some sense in your last post 20a87.

But, at nearly 35 and tiptoeing around, seemingly avoiding anything meaningful, and at the same time promising the earth. That's what alienates the critics - both scribes and punters.

The 'Pioneer' name is hilarious, and I hope for his sake it's just tongue-in-cheek. Otherwise it's just plain embarrassing! Especially after the Medley pre-fight debacle. He already seems to have reverted away from it anyway.

Without going overboard quoting from 'World of Boxing' - another plug (I am reading this months edition today), it talks about Green v Mundine II being between Australia's most popular and Australia's least popular boxer.

...who could argue that assessment, and it's not by accident?

[Sox]

I don't mind going back and forth with you guys on the pros and cons of mundine but the way you both have posted your counter points means i cant quote you properly. Nevertheless:
Happy now big fella. :boohoo
:lol::lol:

Froch was not a worthwhile fight prior to getting the wbc title and even then mundine was on his way down in weight so we can ignore the froch angle.
Froch has been more worthwhile than most of Mandys last 10 or so fights for a long time. Any real top 20 fighter is.

Everyone knows falliga was a shit fight both in terms of opponent and spectacle, however his previous fight had been a war, he was limping about the ring and I can understand a gimme fight also it was billed as the road to the rematch.
And at what stage is that rematch now?

I wish he had fought lyell just to get at pavlik, who he does have plans for, I reckon hbo pressured kp to fight martinez if not williams.
It seems Mandy fans have to resort to wishing for a lot of things.

As far as the mundine weight issue goes he's a middleweight now like it or not, he's been a titlist at the weight. If he drops to 154 I hope he uses the pioneer name as it would go down a storm with boxing fans :deal
You're right, we don't have to like it, and we don't.
Running away from tough fights (by dropping weight) is not the tactic of a true champion. Particularly if that claytons champion has an enormous mouth.

We all know he has to step it up in terms of named opponents, I think "the man" wants to (see medley pf interview) aswell.
Are you sure about that? I think he only wants to talk about it.

But what boxing fans often neglect to think about is that his job is boxing and boxing is business.
For fucks sake, that's true IF you didn't continually claim you're something that you're not. Or claim that your next big fight is something that never eventuates.

The cunt can fight whoever he wants, but why talk the shit he does?
Yeh yeh, the publicity has people talking bullshit bullshit bullshit.

The green fight will happen after the man has a better bargaining position than green but it's been done to death in the last month already.

That's all going to a script written years ago. It's meaningless shit.

If I've left anything out I'll add tomorrow its too late here now.

Also The Real Deal Geale is the best :deal
I agree. :good

[Francis75]

Listen, for the rest of his career Mundine will fight safe options. He might talk that he is chasing the best fighter's but we all know he isn't. He will have a couple more nothing fights then have his big $$$$$$$$ rematch with Green then he might call it a day all the while stating how the big guns ducked him. We all know the score with Mundine by now.

[dominator]

I think Mundine's next fight announcement will give us a fair guide of what his future intentions are.

If it's a reasonably well known fighter, who is or has been a legitimate world title contender, like a Randy Griffin, one could imagine he is gearing up for a middleweight showdown.

If it's a 164 pound catchweight fight against some Argie or an Oceania fighter, well it seems like Garth Wood would be next and then a Green rematch.

I certainly hope it's the former.

[20a87]

You make some sense in your last post 20a87.

But, at nearly 35 and tiptoeing around, seemingly avoiding anything meaningful, and at the same time promising the earth. That's what alienates the critics - both scribes and punters.

The 'Pioneer' name is hilarious, and I hope for his sake it's just tongue-in-cheek. Otherwise it's just plain embarrassing! Especially after the Medley pre-fight debacle. He already seems to have reverted away from it anyway.

Without going overboard quoting from 'World of Boxing' - another plug (I am reading this months edition today), it talks about Green v Mundine II being between Australia's most popular and Australia's least popular boxer.

...who could argue that assessment, and it's not by accident?

I don't think his 2009 was as bad as people like to make out, the taylor fight was entertaining albeit a scrappy win, the seemingly fan favourite geale was scalped by "the man" and I agree falliga was awful but ultimately understandable to a degree. Yes he needs the big fights if he's to appease the naysayers but its easier said than done to land big fights.

As far as being the pioneer goes I reckon most of his spiel is tongue in cheek like the constant crack-er comments etc but it seems to fly over most peoples heads on here, he's a funny guy.

The world of boxing have it right green is pretty unpopular.

Happy now big fella. :boohoo
:lol::lol:

Froch has been more worthwhile than most of Mandys last 10 or so fights for a long time. Any real top 20 fighter is.

And at what stage is that rematch now?

It seems Mandy fans have to resort to wishing for a lot of things.

You're right, we don't have to like it, and we don't.
Running away from tough fights (by dropping weight) is not the tactic of a true champion. Particularly if that claytons champion has an enormous mouth.

Are you sure about that? I think he only wants to talk about it.

For fucks sake, that's true IF you didn't continually claim you're something that you're not. Or claim that your next big fight is something that never eventuates.

The cunt can fight whoever he wants, but why talk the shit he does?
Yeh yeh, the publicity has people talking bullshit bullshit bullshit.

That's all going to a script written years ago. It's meaningless shit.

I agree. :good

Dont buy into the froch hype, he is not much of a draw in the uk and his pascaltitle fight only got 1million views on primetime terrestrial tv, prior to that he was overshadowed by khan, haye, calzaghe, thaxton, enzo etc Even with the super six he has his own channel cos noone wants to buy the rights to his fights.

The rumour with the geale rematch was that he wanted more money etc and the tasmanian card didnt justify the bucks. Its a fight for a title later in the year probably and will be bigger as a result. You wish geale had beaten mundine but it didnt happen.

He hasnt lost for a good while, I dont reckon he doesn't think he's the best. Why does any boxer say they are the best?

Green is on mundines strings and yes the script is being followed but the split green wants won't happen :deal

I think Mundine's next fight announcement will give us a fair guide of what his future intentions are.

If it's a reasonably well known fighter, who is or has been a legitimate world title contender, like a Randy Griffin, one could imagine he is gearing up for a middleweight showdown.

If it's a 164 pound catchweight fight against some Argie or an Oceania fighter, well it seems like Garth Wood would be next and then a Green rematch.

I certainly hope it's the former.

agreed.

[Sox]

I don't think his 2009 was as bad as people like to make out, the taylor fight was entertaining albeit a scrappy win, the seemingly fan favourite geale was scalped by "the man" and I agree falliga was awful but ultimately understandable to a degree. Yes he needs the big fights if he's to appease the naysayers but its easier said than done to land big fights.
Crap, take a drop in pay. If you continue to win, you get higher pay. It's easy and that's how the BEST do it.

As far as being the pioneer goes I reckon most of his spiel is tongue in cheek like the constant crack-er comments etc but it seems to fly over most peoples heads on here, he's a funny guy.
Not sure on that, he doesn't have the intelligence to be intentionally funny.

The world of boxing have it right green is pretty unpopular.
Green is beginning to annoy me almost as much as Mandy.

Dont buy into the froch hype, he is not much of a draw in the uk and his pascaltitle fight only got 1million views on primetime terrestrial tv, prior to that he was overshadowed by khan, haye, calzaghe, thaxton, enzo etc Even with the super six he has his own channel cos noone wants to buy the rights to his fights.
I haven't bought into the Froch hype. I don't rate him much at all, however he is still better than the majority of the bums Mandy has fought in the last few years, which was my point.

The rumour with the geale rematch was that he wanted more money etc and the tasmanian card didnt justify the bucks. Its a fight for a title later in the year probably and will be bigger as a result.
See, it's all about money again. You seeing a pattern forming here?
Yet you, the rest of his gullible fans, and himself, still claim he's the best and wants to fight the best.

Open your eyes, it's right in front of you.

You wish geale had beaten mundine but it didnt happen.
I know Geale did win, and the second lot of judges agree with me.
Just because the panel of judges were hand picked for the night, Mandys tape kept giving him time, and a knockdown wasn't ruled when it should have, doesn't give him a win in my eyes.

No matter which way anyone sees it, they went toe to toe, something which few people thought Geale could do. I knew he could and I even lost money because of the crap that went on.

It's the Mandy huggers who are pissed, because Mandy was cought with his pants down.

And that my friend is why Mandy wants no part of Geale again. :deal

He hasnt lost for a good while, I dont reckon he doesn't think he's the best. Why does any boxer say they are the best?
Of course you won't lose if you mainly fight nobodies.
And yes, it's nice to be confident, however doing it so publicly, so often, only makes you to be a fool when the lies never come true.

Green is on mundines strings and yes the script is being followed but the split green wants won't happen :dealYep, dollars again, the sign of a real champion.

It's ok to be a fan of someone, but to believe all that is said and then support a liar, that's not being very realistic now is it?

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

...the seemingly fan favourite geale was scalped by "the man"...

Denial is a common trait amongst Mundine supporters.

'Seemingly' fan favourite Geale! ... Don't want to spoil a good Mundine story with facts, but Geale is popular. Mundine is not.

...and 'scalped'! ... Again, don't want to spoil a good Mundine story with facts, but that fight couldn't have possibly been closer. As shown by the scoring of the judges on the night and the score by 3 more judges after the protest (final count was 3 judges for each fighter).

And we saw how keen Mundine was for a re-match with the man he 'scalped'! Preferring to dump the title belt and go on a starvation diet rather than face the 'unpopular' Geale again!

Yes he needs the big fights if he's to appease the naysayers but its easier said than done to land big fights.

...and that's exactly where this discussion began, ie Todd declaring in a national magazine that Duddy & Froch were Mundine's for the taking, and he chose instead...........Falliga!!

As far as being the pioneer goes I reckon most of his spiel is tongue in cheek

...let's hope so! Nobody could really be that dumb!

like the constant crack-er comments etc but it seems to fly over most peoples heads on here, he's a funny guy.

The world of boxing have it right green is pretty unpopular...

...did I mention denial earlier!!




See comments above.

[ashley]

CHB...just a few things mate...timing in boxing is everything...getting in without being hit...picking your target as it moves and even making fights.

I'm not saying these fights werent on the cards at some time mid to late 2009 but timing making fights is hard mate


1. No chance Mundine could have fought Froch...he was tied into the super 6 from August 2009

2. As mentioned Duddy was coming off a loss in late April 2009 to Lyell

3. Mundine had his fight set with Geale for late may 2009 so he's not even looking at a fight let alone Duddy.

4. You may not remember however both Geale and Mundine were chasing Lyell within 2 weeks of the IBO title fight....early June 2009...so Mundine looking for Lyell...he just won the title so he wanted to fight the winner not the loser

4. Anyway after the Duddy win Lyell had his own plan....don't lose as he was promised an IBF shot V Sylvester early 2010...he took 2 keep buys fight with guys rated 261 and 411 at MW

5. So you say why not Duddy.....Highly respected sources in the industry confirmed that Mundine was chasing Pavlik hard with his new IBO belt....history showed that while Arum said no he left the door open....Mundine did try again several times however Pavlik made the fight with Espino. Yes Arum decided to fight a guy ranked 30 instead of Mundine at 5.

6. So Mundine was chasing the best in the division June July....that's why the Froch fight didn't come off ( remember Froch beat Taylor early may (Mundine started looking for Pavlik early June after he won the IBO belt) ......anyway the super 6 was made July so the Mundine Froch fight would have been canned in favour of Froch taking on the super 6

6. July/ August Mundine started to look for plan C...as Plan A..Pavlik and Plan B..Lyell fell over...it was too late to go back for Froch because he signed with the super 6

7. August Mundine decided to go to 154 and announced to the IBO (not made public) he will fight at 154.....the proposal was scraped due to half of the Mundine camp thinking he wont make weight...dont know what the IBO was thinking

8. September the proposed fight at 154 was back on the cards..still unofficial against Rob Medley...and a keep busy fight was made on a dual feature card on Tazzy to promote Geale v Mundine II for April 2010

9. After the fight in October Mundine and Grange did the deal to fight Rob at 154 early 2010...it was then made public

So mate...I could have spent a bit more time and tried to bullet proof this timeline so I have more than likley produced a bit of self-ownage but my point is timing to make fights is why Froch never got made

Duddy was never going to get made after his loss

For the record the Falinga fight was crap...first fight of Mundines that I have not seen :deal

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Some reasonable points Ash.

But Todd is far better connected than me or you, and wouldn't have wasted his, or everybody else's time, getting Duddy & Froch organised if it just wasn't going to fit. What would he or anyone else have to gain from it?

Falliga is a good example, but there have been other Mundine fights that have amounted to total wastes of time. Surely a Duddy, even off a loss, was going to be more productive than Falliga etc.

Mundine hasn't convinced anyone of the merits of trying to starve down to 154. The Medley bout, with no useful title up for grabs, was almost as big a waste of time for a guy nearly 35 as Falliga!

Mundine just seems to be the 'unluckiest' Aussie fighter ever for getting decent fights set!

[LeonMcS]

Yeah, its almost as if he isn't really trying.

[boxoncottonon]

Yeah, its almost as if he isn't really trying.



More akin to bad management.

[20a87]

Crap, take a drop in pay. If you continue to win, you get higher pay. It's easy and that's how the BEST do it.
Not sure on that, he doesn't have the intelligence to be intentionally funny.
Green is beginning to annoy me almost as much as Mandy.
I haven't bought into the Froch hype. I don't rate him much at all, however he is still better than the majority of the bums Mandy has fought in the last few years, which was my point.
See, it's all about money again. You seeing a pattern forming here?
Yet you, the rest of his gullible fans, and himself, still claim he's the best and wants to fight the best.

Open your eyes, it's right in front of you.
I know Geale did win, and the second lot of judges agree with me.
Just because the panel of judges were hand picked for the night, Mandys tape kept giving him time, and a knockdown wasn't ruled when it should have, doesn't give him a win in my eyes.

No matter which way anyone sees it, they went toe to toe, something which few people thought Geale could do. I knew he could and I even lost money because of the crap that went on.

It's the Mandy huggers who are pissed, because Mandy was cought with his pants down.

And that my friend is why Mandy wants no part of Geale again. :deal
Of course you won't lose if you mainly fight nobodies.
And yes, it's nice to be confident, however doing it so publicly, so often, only makes you to be a fool when the lies never come true.
Yep, dollars again, the sign of a real champion.

It's ok to be a fan of someone, but to believe all that is said and then support a liar, that's not being very realistic now is it?

To hint at mundine being a coward is weak considering he's faced some big hitters in his career, you cannot knock him for making money and its not like he hasn't had a title recently albeit an ibo belt.

If you think geale won then thats ok so long as you realise mundine won in real life, he sat the real deal down and landed the cleaner shots and hurt his body :deal if he had his pants down it was a good job he won geales belt to keep them up.

To dismiss his recent opponents as nobodies is crazy (falliga aside) and his talk is no worse than pbf and other fighters out there.

[20a87]

...the seemingly fan favourite geale was scalped by "the man"...

Denial is a common trait amongst Mundine supporters.

'Seemingly' fan favourite Geale! ... Don't want to spoil a good Mundine story with facts, but Geale is popular. Mundine is not.

...and 'scalped'! ... Again, don't want to spoil a good Mundine story with facts, but that fight couldn't have possibly been closer. As shown by the scoring of the judges on the night and the score by 3 more judges after the protest (final count was 3 judges for each fighter).

And we saw how keen Mundine was for a re-match with the man he 'scalped'! Preferring to dump the title belt and go on a starvation diet rather than face the 'unpopular' Geale again!

Yes he needs the big fights if he's to appease the naysayers but its easier said than done to land big fights.

...and that's exactly where this discussion began, ie Todd declaring in a national magazine that Duddy & Froch were Mundine's for the taking, and he chose instead...........Falliga!!

As far as being the pioneer goes I reckon most of his spiel is tongue in cheek

...let's hope so! Nobody could really be that dumb!

like the constant crack-er comments etc but it seems to fly over most peoples heads on here, he's a funny guy.

The world of boxing have it right green is pretty unpopular...

...did I mention denial earlier!!




See comments above.

From all accounts geale didnt exactly raise the roof in his home town. And mundine beat him to say geale won is true denial.

Mundine is a v.funny, entertaining promoter - hardly dumb.

I think ashley pretty much set the record straight for the other points.

[20a87]

CHB...just a few things mate...timing in boxing is everything...getting in without being hit...picking your target as it moves and even making fights.

I'm not saying these fights werent on the cards at some time mid to late 2009 but timing making fights is hard mate


1. No chance Mundine could have fought Froch...he was tied into the super 6 from August 2009

2. As mentioned Duddy was coming off a loss in late April 2009 to Lyell

3. Mundine had his fight set with Geale for late may 2009 so he's not even looking at a fight let alone Duddy.

4. You may not remember however both Geale and Mundine were chasing Lyell within 2 weeks of the IBO title fight....early June 2009...so Mundine looking for Lyell...he just won the title so he wanted to fight the winner not the loser

4. Anyway after the Duddy win Lyell had his own plan....don't lose as he was promised an IBF shot V Sylvester early 2010...he took 2 keep buys fight with guys rated 261 and 411 at MW

5. So you say why not Duddy.....Highly respected sources in the industry confirmed that Mundine was chasing Pavlik hard with his new IBO belt....history showed that while Arum said no he left the door open....Mundine did try again several times however Pavlik made the fight with Espino. Yes Arum decided to fight a guy ranked 30 instead of Mundine at 5.

6. So Mundine was chasing the best in the division June July....that's why the Froch fight didn't come off ( remember Froch beat Taylor early may (Mundine started looking for Pavlik early June after he won the IBO belt) ......anyway the super 6 was made July so the Mundine Froch fight would have been canned in favour of Froch taking on the super 6

6. July/ August Mundine started to look for plan C...as Plan A..Pavlik and Plan B..Lyell fell over...it was too late to go back for Froch because he signed with the super 6

7. August Mundine decided to go to 154 and announced to the IBO (not made public) he will fight at 154.....the proposal was scraped due to half of the Mundine camp thinking he wont make weight...dont know what the IBO was thinking

8. September the proposed fight at 154 was back on the cards..still unofficial against Rob Medley...and a keep busy fight was made on a dual feature card on Tazzy to promote Geale v Mundine II for April 2010

9. After the fight in October Mundine and Grange did the deal to fight Rob at 154 early 2010...it was then made public

So mate...I could have spent a bit more time and tried to bullet proof this timeline so I have more than likley produced a bit of self-ownage but my point is timing to make fights is why Froch never got made

Duddy was never going to get made after his loss

For the record the Falinga fight was crap...first fight of Mundines that I have not seen :deal


Best post i've seen on the aussie forum (aside from my own) :thumbsup

[ashley]

Some reasonable points Ash.

But Todd is far better connected than me or you, and wouldn't have wasted his, or everybody else's time, getting Duddy & Froch organised if it just wasn't going to fit. What would he or anyone else have to gain from it?

Falliga is a good example, but there have been other Mundine fights that have amounted to total wastes of time. Surely a Duddy, even off a loss, was going to be more productive than Falliga etc.

Mundine hasn't convinced anyone of the merits of trying to starve down to 154. The Medley bout, with no useful title up for grabs, was almost as big a waste of time for a guy nearly 35 as Falliga!

Mundine just seems to be the 'unluckiest' Aussie fighter ever for getting decent fights set!



The "unluckiest aussie fighter' title goes to Meehan :yep


If we knew the dates these fights were proposed for it would be a bit easier to say......I can only think that Todd tried to get Froch after his win against Taylor in May......to try and set a fight for Aug/ Sept provided Mundine beats Geale also in May.

Timing was perfect by the looks of this.....however...

At the same time Mundine was chasing Number 1 at 'MW".....THAT MADE MORE SENSE THAN GOING BACK TO 'SMW".....Mundine did try to get Pavlik with his new IBO belt....by the time Pavlik fell through it was too late to get Froch and he was already signed for the super 6.

Like I said mate....the Falinga fight sucked...I did not watch it :-(

However knowing how things work behind the scenes you must know that the deal with Medley and Geale was done months in advance so Mundines next 3 fights were marked out well in advance.

Geale is now off to win the IBO title back or get the IBF title....make no mistake...when he gets one of these titles....Mundine will fight him again

Yes I agree fighting Duddy would be much better that Falinga....you would need to look at risk reward and where you heading with the win...when I look at these you can understand why they wanted Lyell (Pavlik connection JL)

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

[quote=COULDHAVEBEEN;6232646]

From all accounts geale didnt exactly raise the roof in his home town.

He put up a more impressive show against Bambosa than Mundine did against Falliga.

Mundine ducking Geale II was more to do with the calibre of opponent than Geale's popularity in Tasmania.

And mundine beat him to say geale won is true denial.

Where in that post did I even imply Geale won?

"Couldn't possibly have been closer" is hardly an outragous claim when the 6 officials asked to score the bout came up 3 all!

Didn't claim Geale won...read a little more carefully.

Mundine is a v.funny, entertaining promoter - hardly dumb.

Good promotor yes. But doesn't come across as dumb?

...you can't be even semi-serious!

I think ashley pretty much set the record straight for the other points.

I doubt Ash is better connected than Todd. Not hard to work out which view is more likely to be correct.



See comments above.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

The "unluckiest aussie fighter' title goes to Meehan :yep

If we knew the dates these fights were proposed for it would be a bit easier to say......I can only think that Todd tried to get Froch after his win against Taylor in May......to try and set a fight for Aug/ Sept provided Mundine beats Geale also in May.

Timing was perfect by the looks of this.....however...

At the same time Mundine was chasing Number 1 at 'MW".....THAT MADE MORE SENSE THAN GOING BACK TO 'SMW".....Mundine did try to get Pavlik with his new IBO belt....by the time Pavlik fell through it was too late to get Froch and he was already signed for the super 6.

Like I said mate....the Falinga fight sucked...I did not watch it :-(

However knowing how things work behind the scenes you must know that the deal with Medley and Geale was done months in advance so Mundines next 3 fights were marked out well in advance.

Geale is now off to win the IBO title back or get the IBF title....make no mistake...when he gets one of these titles....Mundine will fight him again

Yes I agree fighting Duddy would be much better that Falinga....you would need to look at risk reward and where you heading with the win...when I look at these you can understand why they wanted Lyell (Pavlik connection JL)

Think you said it all in the last paragraph Ash:

Mundine's risk vs reward 'threshold' is probably the lowest in Aussie boxing

...ie if there's risk involved it doesn't matter how high the reward is.

But you are right on Meehan...though I think he has been 'genuinely' unlucky!

[ashley]

CBH of course Todd is in the know.....all I'm saying is the timing of the Froch fight didnt work for Mundine...he was clearly chasing Pavlik at MW after his MW win over Geale.

Easy for Todd to say Mundine didnt take the fight and doesnt want to fight better guys but a proposed fight at SMW after Mundine won the MW IBO was just bad timing....its a shame he didnt say it was just bad timing....he would have known Mundine was chasing PAV....also saying he had these fights available wont hurt his international reputation :hey

Mundine clearly thought the IBO title win gave him the clout to get a shot at Pavlik


If I was managing Mundine this is who I would target in this order....



1. Interim WBA 160 ....Simon (US 10) Geale 14 or Glovkin if forced #2

2. Interim WBA 154 ..Austin Trout (USA 1)

3. Geale if he wins another title

I would avoid...

Sturm....can KO him..cant win on points in Germany, Green above 175.8 Geale unless its a title fight

[ashley]

Think you said it all in the last paragraph Ash..............




Oops....just said it all again....not like me to rave on about Mundine :yep

[20a87]

[quote=20a87;6233914]

See comments above.

Raise the roof as in his so called popularity was not huge as anticipated.

You made reference to a fight re-scoring like it actually holds weight or changes the fact that "the man" got the nod and the belt from geale. i would suggest you watch how you phrase things, if you thought mundine won its ok to say it out loud you can still hate him.

Doesn't drink, smoke, isn't a corporate shill, outspoken and articulate, gives to charity, two time top sportsman wealthy to boot - doesn't sound dumb to me.

Two or 3 throwaway lines from todd with no context isnt much proof of anything. :deal

[Contendo]

CBH of course Todd is in the know.....all I'm saying is the timing of the Froch fight didnt work for Mundine...he was clearly chasing Pavlik at MW after his MW win over Geale.

Easy for Todd to say Mundine didnt take the fight and doesnt want to fight better guys but a proposed fight at SMW after Mundine won the MW IBO was just bad timing....its a shame he didnt say it was just bad timing....he would have known Mundine was chasing PAV....also saying he had these fights available wont hurt his international reputation :hey

Mundine clearly thought the IBO title win gave him the clout to get a shot at Pavlik


If I was managing Mundine this is who I would target in this order....



1. Interim WBA 160 ....Simon (US 10) Geale 14 or Glovkin if forced #2

2. Interim WBA 154 ..Austin Trout (USA 1)

3. Geale if he wins another title

I would avoid...

Sturm....can KO him..cant win on points in Germany, Green above 175.8 Geale unless its a title fight


I commend you on the committment and theories you show Ash - you've obviously listened to Khoder well and it's like watching a young Skywalker (you) looking up to Yoda (Khoder)! :lol:

[20a87]

CBH of course Todd is in the know.....all I'm saying is the timing of the Froch fight didnt work for Mundine...he was clearly chasing Pavlik at MW after his MW win over Geale.

Easy for Todd to say Mundine didnt take the fight and doesnt want to fight better guys but a proposed fight at SMW after Mundine won the MW IBO was just bad timing....its a shame he didnt say it was just bad timing....he would have known Mundine was chasing PAV....also saying he had these fights available wont hurt his international reputation :hey

Mundine clearly thought the IBO title win gave him the clout to get a shot at Pavlik


If I was managing Mundine this is who I would target in this order....



1. Interim WBA 160 ....Simon (US 10) Geale 14 or Glovkin if forced #2

2. Interim WBA 154 ..Austin Trout (USA 1)

3. Geale if he wins another title

I would avoid...

Sturm....can KO him..cant win on points in Germany, Green above 175.8 Geale unless its a title fight

Disagree here, he should be going for winky (old, inactive and top rank), Sturm (not in germany but beatable everywhere else), griffin or spinks.

[roscoe]

I'm with Ash here. Mandy should avoid fighters that can beat him.

[ashley]

Disagree here, he should be going for winky (old, inactive and top rank), Sturm (not in germany but beatable everywhere else), griffin or spinks.

Cant get Sturm out here mate...Mundine has tried a few times....problem is Sturm gets 1 Million Euros to fight at home....Mundine cant offer more than $1,000,000 aussie to get him out here

Griffen is an option at 160 interim however the guys on my list are ranked ahead of him.....a true fight for the regular belt if Sturm is made super champ is with #1 ranked Glovkin

However deals being deals Mundine may get to fight another guy for the regular belt if the WBA agree Glovkin gets next shot at Sturm for the full strap

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Fair comments most of them Ash. But if Mundine thinks the big fight will land in his lap with the odds stacked in his favour he's in for a very, very, long wait!

The timing will never be perfect, the venue probably won't suit and the money will never seem enough...

...but if you aspire to be a champion, let alone a legend (like Mundine claims to be) you have to take a chance and have a crack!


Here's just a few examples of Aussies who were prepared to have a red-hot go in quest of world titles:


* Lionel Rose was given no chance whatsoever and had to go to Tokyo to beat Harada.

* Jimmy Currothers had to go to South Africa and fight Toweel on his home turf in winning his title.

* Famechon had to go to London to win his title from Legra who had a 109-6-4 record.

* Ferreri had to go to the USA to challenge Zarate who was 42-0, and nearly every one by KO. Ferreri didn't win but had a red-hot go.

* Mattiolli had to go to Berlin and fight Dagge on his home soil in winning his title.

* Lester Ellis was about 19 when Kil Yuh came here to defend against 'the schoolboy', thinking it'd be cake walk defence.

* Harding had to go to the USA and was given no chance whatsoever to win his title from Aundries.

* 'Bones' Kelly had to travel to the USA to challenge Reid. Reid got the nod but Kelly was unlucky not to.

* Troy Waters had 4 goes at winning world titles, all overseas. Didn't win any, but had a gutsy bloody go at it.

* Hec Thompson had to tackle two absolute legends Duran & Cervantes in search of a title, and both in Panama! Hec didn't win but had a red-hot go, twice.

* Mundine's own father, Tony, tacked a legend in Monzon, in Argentina. Tony didn't win but had a red-hot go.

Plus there's Vic & Kats and many, many more.


(just a few examples off the top of my head of Aussies that didn't wait for it to fall in their lap - they got out and had a go!)

[LeonMcS]

...and articulate,...

You're funny.

[ashley]

Fair comments most of them Ash. But if Mundine thinks the big fight will land in his lap with the odds stacked in his favour he's in for a very, very, long wait!

The timing will never be perfect, the venue probably won't suit and the money will never seem enough...

...but if you aspire to be a champion, let alone a legend (like Mundine claims to be) you have to take a chance and have a crack!


Here's just a few examples of Aussies who were prepared to have a red-hot go in quest of world titles:

* Lionel Rose was given no chance whatsoever and had to go to Tokyo to beat Harada.

* Famechon had to go to London to win his title from Legra who had a 109-6-4 record.

* Ferreri had to go to the USA to challenge Zarate who was 42-0, and nearly every one by KO. Ferreri didn't win but had a red-hot go.

* Mattiolli had to go to Berlin and fight Dagge on his home soil in winning his title.

* Lester Ellis was about 19 when Kil Yuh came here to defend against 'the schoolboy', thinking it'd be cake walk defence.

* Harding had to go to the USA and was given no chance whatsoever to win his title from Aundries.

* 'Bones' Kelly had to travel to the USA to challenge Reid. Reid got the nod but Kelly was unlucky not to.

* Troy Waters had 4 goes at winning world titles, all overseas. Didn't win any, but had a gutsy bloody go at it.

* Hec Thompson had to tackle two absolute legends Duran & Cervantes in search of a title, and both in Panama! Hec didn't win but had a red-hot go, twice.

* Mundine's own father, Tony, tacked a legend in Monzon, in Argentina. Tony didn't win but had a red-hot go.

(just a few examples off the top of my head of Aussies that didn't wait for it to fall in their lap - they got out and had a go!)


Yeah and you left out Mundine went to Germany to fight a guy with 10 title defences who was and still is unbeaten....Mundine was in his 11th fight.....is that any less that the list above?

Ok Ottke was no Duran or Monzon but to go to Germany was pretty big in the scheme of things?

He also took on Kessler after seeing Kess bash shit through Siaca.....6 months after Siace beat Mundine :hi:

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

[quote=COULDHAVEBEEN;6234363]

Raise the roof as in his so called popularity was not huge as anticipated.

Again, Mundine's runner had had more to do with Geale's ability than his popularity.

You made reference to a fight re-scoring like it actually holds weight or changes the fact that "the man" got the nod and the belt from geale. i would suggest you watch how you phrase things, if you thought mundine won its ok to say it out loud you can still hate him.

Ever wondered why you have two ears, two eyes and only one mouth?

For the 3rd time: "Couldn't possibly have been closer" was what I said.

Doesn't drink, smoke, isn't a corporate shill, outspoken and articulate, gives to charity, two time top sportsman wealthy to boot - doesn't sound dumb to me.

The above don't score any points on an IQ test. I'm talking about his incoherent ramblings of World Dominance etc.

Two or 3 throwaway lines from todd with no context isnt much proof of anything.

Where there's smoke there's occassionally fire.



Read comments above (carefully).

[20a87]

I'm with Ash here. Mandy should avoid fighters that can beat him.

Cant think of anyone i can 100% say would beat the man at 160.

Cant get Sturm out here mate...Mundine has tried a few times....problem is Sturm gets 1 Million Euros to fight at home....Mundine cant offer more than $1,000,000 aussie to get him out here

Griffen is an option at 160 interim however the guys on my list are ranked ahead of him.....a true fight for the regular belt if Sturm is made super champ is with #1 ranked Glovkin

However deals being deals Mundine may get to fight another guy for the regular belt if the WBA agree Glovkin gets next shot at Sturm for the full strap

Why cant he offer more?

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Yeah and you left out Mundine went to Germany to fight a guy with 10 title defences who was and still is unbeaten....Mundine was in his 11th fight.....is that any less that the list above?

Ok Ottke was no Duran or Monzon but to go to Germany was pretty big in the scheme of things?

He also took on Kessler after seeing Kess bash shit through Siaca.....6 months after Siace beat Mundine :hi:

...granted, but that was nearly 10 years ago, and he's stayed home getting old, bragging all the while, and acheiving nothing, ever since.

[ashley]

...granted, but that was nearly 10 years ago, and he's stayed home getting old, bragging all the while, and acheiving nothing, ever since.

Yeah but.....

Kessler 5 years ago

Green 3 years ago

Geale 1 year ago

Falinga 6 months ago

He does step up every now and again :hey

[20a87]

[quote=20a87;6234665]

Read comments above (carefully).

He beat geale - get over it, he's fought bigger badder guys than the real deal.

You asked where you implied geale won I answered.

He's clearly not incoherent. charismatic ? yes

you ended with a lame comment.

Think before you type (carefully)

goodnight

[Sox]

To hint at mundine being a coward is weak considering he's faced some big hitters in his career,
How so?
Let's look at that career. His last 'big hitter ' as you put it, was Kessler, which is now 5 years ago.
Mandys career started in 2000, he fought quite a few decent fights between then and 2005, maybe some were even too ambitious, but at least he had balls at that time.

Since the 2005 Kessler loss, what has he done? It's 5 years on and by comparison to the first 1/2 of his career, he's done fuck all.

So compared to the first 1/2 of his fighting career, the 2nd 1/2 looks very cowardish to me.
you cannot knock him for making money and its not like he hasn't had a title recently albeit an ibo belt.I can knock him and I believe I just did. He's a fucken coward for not taking the big fights, regardless of the money.
Don't even start about the belts, that ship sank long ago.

If you think geale won then thats ok so long as you realise mundine won in real life,If by way of dodgy judges, stalling tactics, intimidation, and wrongfully ruled KD's, then that's fine by me.
Like I said, next set of unbiased judges had it Geales way, and that pisses you off bad.
In fact if you tally all 6 of the judges scorecards, Geale won. :lol:
Suck on that hugger.

he sat the real deal down and landed the cleaner shots and hurt his body :deal if he had his pants down it was a good job he won geales belt to keep them up.So why is he so scared of fighting him again?
Young Geale would take the rematch in a heartbeat.

To dismiss his recent opponents as nobodies is crazy (falliga aside)
So, you think these guys are top fighters -
Rashid Matumla
Rico Chong Nee
Ruben Eduardo Acosta
Pablo Daniel Zamora Nievas
Jodea Alberto Clavero
Crazy Kim
Rafeal Sosa Pintos, and of course
Alejandro Gustavo Falliga

These are the guys he's fought since Kessler (aside from the better guys, Geale, etc)
Are they the best that Mandy keep talking about? Is this the 'step up' he's mentioned?

and his talk is no worse than pbf and other fighters out there.Oh please, don't compare PBF to Mandy.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

[quote=COULDHAVEBEEN;6234901]

He beat geale - get over it, he's fought bigger badder guys than the real deal.

You asked where you implied geale won I answered.

He's clearly not incoherent. charismatic ? yes

you ended with a lame comment.

Think before you type (carefully)

goodnight

Plainly you're tired and your concentration is suffering as a result - pleasant Mundine dreams!

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Yeah but.....

Kessler 5 years ago

Green 3 years ago

Geale 1 year ago

Falinga 6 months ago

He does step up every now and again :hey

Nice humour - Falliga & Kessler on the same page.

Let's take a look at the serious names you raised above:

1/ Kessler:
Mundine ducked a rematch with Kessler by moving to the safety of another division.

2/ Geale:
Mundine ducked a rematch with Geale by moving to the safety of another division and the soft option of the smaller bodied Medley. He abandoned a world title belt in the process.

3/ Green:
Despite declaring he'd fight & beat Green at any weight only recently, Mundine has so far turned down Green's challenge and continues to linger in the safe ground of lower weight divisions.

[ashley]

Nice humour - Falliga & Kessler on the same page.

Let's take a look at the serious names you raised above:

1/ Kessler:
Mundine ducked a rematch with Kessler by moving to the safety of another division.

2/ Geale:
Mundine ducked a rematch with Geale by moving to the safety of another division and the soft option of the smaller bodied Medley. He abandoned a world title belt in the process.

3/ Green:
Despite declaring he'd fight & beat Green at any weight only recently, Mundine has so far turned down Green's challenge and continues to linger in the safe ground of lower weight divisions.

Ok

1. Kess....no point in fighting him again...same result as fight 1...kess is just stronger

2. Geale....Mundine will fight Geale again when he wins a title fight....the fight needs to be built up again...if Geale win the IBF title or even the IBO vacant clash against Winky then Geale v Mundine II will be huge

3. Mundine Green will be made at 175 or maybe max 80kgs at CW...Green and Mundain need to sling some more crap to build this fight up again

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Ok

1. Kess....no point in fighting him again...same result as fight 1...kess is just stronger

Say no more...

2. Geale....Mundine will fight Geale again when he wins a title fight....the fight needs to be built up again...if Geale win the IBF title or even the IBO vacant clash against Winky then Geale v Mundine II will be huge

Will never understand why he ducked Geale. The interest was there already from the first fight, no question. Mundine had to relinquish a title to avoid him, and for what...an absolute waste of time against Medley for no title, no fame, a lousy diet, and not much money! ....... Huh???


Mundine seems content to let Geale do the hard work, ie win a legit title, then if he can muster the courage, try and pinch it from him.

3. Mundine Green will be made at 175 or maybe max 80kgs at CW...Green and Mundain need to sling some more crap to build this fight up again

No argument there. In reality Mundine's plans for World Dominance never really extended beyond Green II.

Gotta say it's unusual for you to refer to Choc as Mundain though Ash! Perhaps you're finally starting to see through him.



See comments above.

[Sox]

Gotta say it's unusual for you to refer to Choc as Mundain though Ash! Perhaps you're finally starting to see through him.
I see it now, Ash is really a closet Mundain hater, it all makes sense, that's why his arguments supporting Mandy are such shit. They're intentionally shit. :lol::lol:

[ashley]

I see it now, Ash is really a closet Mundain hater, it all makes sense, that's why his arguments supporting Mandy are such shit. They're intentionally shit. :lol::lol:

Thats it mate...your off the christmas list :fire

[Sox]

Thats it mate...your off the christmas list :fire
Don't feel bad, we always knew a smart guy like you couldn't really have liked a dip shit like Mandy. :yep

[ashley]

Don't feel bad, we always knew a smart guy like you couldn't really have liked a dip shit like Mandy. :yep



Ok your back on the christmas list for calling me smart :D

























But your going to get a crap gift for saying Mundines a dip shit :lol:

[Sox]

Ok your back on the christmas list for calling me smart :D

But your going to get a crap gift for saying Mundines a dip shit :lol:

A Mandy action figure? :D

[ashley]

A Mandy action figure? :D

No its a photo of Geale being sat on his arse :lol:

[Contendo]

A Mandy action figure? :D


That's fucking funny, once you drop it, it lies on it's back and never get's up!!! :lol::lol::lol:

[ashley]

That's fucking funny, it lies on it's back and never get's up!!! :lol::lol::lol:

No you didn't :-(

I did laugh though :lol:

[Sox]

That's fucking funny, once you drop it, it lies on it's back and never get's up!!! :lol::lol::lol:
:rofl:rofl:rofl

[ashley]

That's fucking funny, once you drop it, it lies on it's back and never get's up!!! :lol::lol::lol:

I'm still laughing....big chance of "best 1 liner" 2010 awards :good

[balmain]

I wonder if Danny Green would have wanted a rematch had he won. Has anybody noticed everytime Anthony Mundine fights and beats these guys they all scream for a rematch. They make more excuses than a horse trainer. Hopefully his fight coming up in April will be his last in oz. I for one am sick of listening to these guys challenging just to get their name in the paper. Hey fellas like him or not he is the man.

[Contendo]

I wonder if Danny Green would have wanted a rematch had he won. Has anybody noticed everytime Anthony Mundine fights and beats these guys they all scream for a rematch. They make more excuses than a horse trainer. Hopefully his fight coming up in April will be his last in oz. I for one am sick of listening to these guys challenging just to get their name in the paper. Hey fellas like him or not he is the man.


Every fighter I know who has fought him has nothing but respect and acknowledgement for the opportunity / payday he has provided them. :deal

Without Choc (and I'm not nuthugging), a lot of boxers in this country would be skint. :deal

Even Lovemore's getting in on the act and prepared to come up from Welterweight for an opportunity, that say's everything. When you fight Mundine, you get paid, it's as simple as that. :deal

In saying that, I still love winding my good mate Ash about his un-conditional love for the Man. One thing about Ash, he sticks solid! :good


P.S: Your right about racehorse trainers. Been around them my whole life - more excuses than fat sheila's at Weight Watchers!

[goodnight]

Cant get Sturm out here mate...Mundine has tried a few times....problem is Sturm gets 1 Million Euros to fight at home....Mundine cant offer more than $1,000,000 aussie to get him out here


green offered RJJ substantially more than that without a title.

Imagine the turnaround of fans if mundine actually did something, I'd like to like him.

No really i would.


kinda.

[ashley]

green offered RJJ substantially more than that without a title.

Imagine the turnaround of fans if mundine actually did something, I'd like to like him.

No really i would.


kinda.

Agree and Green did very well getting RJJ :good

However RJJ is 10 times the identity in Australia as Sturm is....only die hard aussie fans would know who Sturm is :deal

And like Flamengo keeps telling me too many titles make the average sports fan confused so they wont know if this is a big fight or not. :D

The $1 mill was just the front door fee for Sturm....the PPV deal was the killer

[goodnight]

just saying - if he wanted it, it would happen

[ashley]

just saying - if he wanted it, it would happen


I don't agree mate...he wants it in AUST...he could not guarantee what Sturm wanted....if Mundine was game to fight Kessler he will fight Sturm....granted not in Germany....but here....shit yeah

He paid kessler less than than half of what Sturm is asking....fact is mate Sturm dont want to leave home so he priced himself out of the fight :deal

[IrnBruMan]

It would be interesting to see a comparison of all the Aussie boxers who were active in the last 5 years and their level of competition compared to Mundine's since his loss to Kessler.

Off the top of my head:

Paul Briggs - fought Adamek twice
Michael Katsidis - fought Ganoy, Casamayor, Diaz
Vic Darchinian - fought Donaire, Burgos, Donaire, Mijares, Arce, Agbeko
Sam Soliman - fought Wright, Bika
Bika - fought Beyer, Calzaghe, Bute, Codrington

Somehow this excuse that "big fights are hard to make" that keeps getting trundled out by the Mundine nuthuggers doesn't quite ring true when you look at what other Aussie boxers have managed to do in the same period :hey

You'll notice that they then fall back on the good old "the purse split wasn't worth it" excuse when this is pointed out, or that Mundine represented too much risk for not enough reward, etc.

Thereafter, it's a game of semantics and bullshit claims but as per usual, all hot air. Like I said, at least Green was proven to be genuinely going after Hopkins and Tarver, confirmed by those guys with their own words in the media, and the fighters listed above have actually fought the big names in their divisions. Meanwhile, everyone that Mundine claims is ducking him barely knows who he is.

Food for thought :hey

[IrnBruMan]

I don't agree mate...he wants it in AUST...he could not guarantee what Sturm wanted....if Mundine was game to fight Kessler he will fight Sturm....granted not in Germany....but here....shit yeah

He paid kessler less than than half of what Sturm is asking....fact is mate Sturm dont want to leave home so he priced himself out of the fight :deal

Don't you ever run out of the desire to keep defending this whore?

He's a fucking moneygrubbing coward.

[Contendo]

It would be interesting to see a comparison of all the Aussie boxers who were active in the last 5 years and their level of competition compared to Mundine's since his loss to Kessler.

Off the top of my head:

Paul Briggs - fought Adamek twice
Michael Katsidis - fought Ganoy, Casamayor, Diaz
Vic Darchinian - fought Donaire, Burgos, Donaire, Mijares, Arce, Agbeko
Sam Soliman - fought Wright, Bika
Bika - fought Beyer, Calzaghe, Bute, Codrington

Somehow this excuse that "big fights are hard to make" that keeps getting trundled out by the Mundine nuthuggers doesn't quite ring true when you look at what other Aussie boxers have managed to do in the same period :hey

You'll notice that they then fall back on the good old "the purse split wasn't worth it" excuse when this is pointed out, or that Mundine represented too much risk for not enough reward, etc.

Thereafter, it's a game of semantics and bullshit claims but as per usual, all hot air. Like I said, at least Green was proven to be genuinely going after Hopkins and Tarver, confirmed by those guys with their own words in the media, and the fighters listed above have actually fought the big names in theri divisions. Meanwhile, everyone that Mundine claims is ducking him barely knows who he is.

Food for thought :hey

Excellent opening address from Mr InBruMan representing the people, and now for rebuttal from the accussed's representative Mr Ashley Nuthugger QC...

"We want the truth..."

[ashley]

Excellent opening address from Mr InBruMan representing the people, and now for rebuttal from the accussed's representative Mr Ashley Nuthugger QC...

"We want the truth..."


"You cant handle the truth'....I bet you didnt see that coming :yep

[Contendo]

"You cant handle the truth'....I bet you didnt see that coming :yep


Jack, my eyes were shut and still saw that coming mate... :yep

[ashley]

..........Off the top of my head:

Paul Briggs - fought Adamek twice
Michael Katsidis - fought Ganoy, Casamayor, Diaz
Vic Darchinian - fought Donaire, Burgos, Donaire, Mijares, Arce, Agbeko
Sam Soliman - fought Wright, Bika
Bika - fought Beyer, Calzaghe, Bute, Codrington

:hey

Valid point mate....Mundine is way overdue

[Contendo]

Valid point mate....Mundine is way overdue


Bang, bang, bang goes the gavel.

"Honourable, but very weak response by the accussed defence!"

[IrnBruMan]

Valid point mate....Mundine is way overdue

:lol:

You took that long to come up with that?

Get fucked :rofl

[balmain]

off the top of your head how many of those guys won. Anthony Mundine would love to fight Sturm but not in Germany. Ask Danny Green why.

[goodnight]

off the top of your head how many of those guys won. Anthony Mundine would love to fight Sturm but not in Germany. Ask Danny Green why.

youre kidding right?

1st time he was rightly DQ'ed for headbutting as he was starting to lose.

2nd time he was schooled.

[IrnBruMan]

off the top of your head how many of those guys won. Anthony Mundine would love to fight Sturm but not in Germany. Ask Danny Green why.

The point I am making is that it isn't as hard as the Mundine nuthuggers claim to make these fights.

Besides, Mundine has no experience of being robbed in Germany, he was beaten quite convincingly by Ottke.

Just another excuse from Mundine the duck. Sturm isn't the only champ in the world yet he seems to have fixated on him for well over a year now. Perhaps he should try someone else instead of bleating about corrupt boxing and being ducked? Just a thought :hey

[IrnBruMan]

youre kidding right?

1st time he was rightly DQ'ed for headbutting as he was starting to lose.

2nd time he was schooled.

IMO he was robbed in the first fight, but he was definitely soundly beaten in the rematch.

Regardless, Mundine has never been close to being the victim of dodgy German hometown decisions - in his one and only fight over there he was knocked out cold - no arguing with that particular result.

[dominator]

Just another excuse from Mundine the duck. Sturm isn't the only champ in the world yet he seems to have fixated on him for well over a year now. Perhaps he should try someone else instead of bleating about corrupt boxing and being ducked? Just a thought :hey

Realistically, there are only two fighters in the middleweight division that are worth fighting for Choc - Pavlik and Sturm. They are the two premier fighters in the division.

If the talk is true about trying to get Pavlik and Martinez getting the gig over Choc, well that's fair enough.

As for Sturm, his recent inactivity is kinda puzzling though he did have those issues with his promoter.

I think Mundine is ranked #6 in the IBF, but I don't see a fight with Sylvester all that appealing given Sturm beat him.

But yeah, when Choc is talking about being the best middleweight in the world, it obviously is strange that since the Geale fight in May he hasn't shown us anything, as his fights with Falliga and Medley don't provide much of a guide.

[Francis75]

IMO he was robbed in the first fight, but he was definitely soundly beaten in the rematch.

Regardless, Mundine has never been close to being the victim of dodgy German hometown decisions - in his one and only fight over there he was knocked out cold - no arguing with that particular result.

How do you figure Green was robbed in the first fight with Beyer ? Beyer was very badly cut and Green DELIBERATELY headbutted him directly on said cut. He was quite correctly DQ'd imo.
If the shoe was on the other foot i guarantee no Aussie would say Beyer was robbed if he was the one DQ'd while headbutting Green in similar fashion.

[dominator]

If the shoe was on the other foot i guarantee no Aussie would say Beyer was robbed if he was the one DQ'd while headbutting Green in similar fashion.

Agreed!

[teke]

Mundine really should fight Sturm for free anywhere.

Guarantee you it wouldnt be any harder than his sparring session with Lenny Zap.

[Sox]

Valid point mate....Mundine is way overdue
:rofl:rofl Ya think?

[ashley]

:rofl:rofl Ya think?

Yes he had some fair points.....Mundine is having some problems getting the big fight.....sometimes its hard to get good fights made......and when you are only known in your own country and have great speed and skills it makes it harder to make fights.

Im not saying Pavlik or Sturm are scared of Mundine but they can see his speed and evasion....it will be a tricky night at the office for them.

Pavliks own hometown newspapers were talking about Mundine trying to get a fight with Pavlik.......3 or 4 of the industry pros in here know Mundine is going at Pavlik.

Can anybody tell me why Pavlik fought Espino......I can.....easy win....Espino is tough but will stand right in front of Pavlik all night looking good throwing big shots until Pavlik decides its time to stop him.

Pavlik made a big mistake fighting Espino instead of Mundine......Mundine is much closer to Martinez and PW styles in movement, angles and evasion than Espino ever will be. It would have been the best warm up fight for Pavlik so why take a plodder/ puncher?

End of the day I would be shitting my pants if Mundine fights Pavlik.....I think Mundine will do very well but it always just 1 punch away from the floor

[Sox]

Yes he had some fair points.....Mundine is having some problems getting the big fight.....sometimes its hard to get good fights made......and when you are only known in your own country and have great speed and skills it makes it harder to make fights.

If he is even trying, which I doubt anyway, he's demanding too much money.
Does greedy cunt mean anything to you?

Im not saying Pavlik or Sturm are scared of Mundine but they can see his speed and evasion....it will be a tricky night at the office for them.

They wouldn't give a fuck about Mandy.

Pavliks own hometown newspapers were talking about Mundine trying to get a fight with Pavlik.......3 or 4 of the industry pros in here know Mundine is going at Pavlik.

Can anybody tell me why Pavlik fought Espino......I can.....easy win....Espino is tough but will stand right in front of Pavlik all night looking good throwing big shots until Pavlik decides its time to stop him.

Pavlik made a big mistake fighting Espino instead of Mundine......Mundine is much closer to Martinez and PW styles in movement, angles and evasion than Espino ever will be. It would have been the best warm up fight for Pavlik so why take a plodder/ puncher?

End of the day I would be shitting my pants if Mundine fights Pavlik.....I think Mundine will do very well bu
t it always just 1 punch away from the floor
You have nothing to worry about, that fight will never happen.
We can have an avatar bet if you like. :hey

[20a87]

How so?
Let's look at that career. His last 'big hitter ' as you put it, was Kessler, which is now 5 years ago.
Mandys career started in 2000, he fought quite a few decent fights between then and 2005, maybe some were even too ambitious, but at least he had balls at that time.

Since the 2005 Kessler loss, what has he done? It's 5 years on and by comparison to the first 1/2 of his career, he's done fuck all.

So compared to the first 1/2 of his fighting career, the 2nd 1/2 looks very cowardish to me.I can knock him and I believe I just did. He's a fucken coward for not taking the big fights, regardless of the money.
Don't even start about the belts, that ship sank long ago.
If by way of dodgy judges, stalling tactics, intimidation, and wrongfully ruled KD's, then that's fine by me.
Like I said, next set of unbiased judges had it Geales way, and that pisses you off bad.
In fact if you tally all 6 of the judges scorecards, Geale won. :lol:
Suck on that hugger.
So why is he so scared of fighting him again?
Young Geale would take the rematch in a heartbeat.
So, you think these guys are top fighters -
Rashid Matumla
Rico Chong Nee
Ruben Eduardo Acosta
Pablo Daniel Zamora Nievas
Jodea Alberto Clavero
Crazy Kim
Rafeal Sosa Pintos, and of course
Alejandro Gustavo Falliga

These are the guys he's fought since Kessler (aside from the better guys, Geale, etc)
Are they the best that Mandy keep talking about? Is this the 'step up' he's mentioned?
Oh please, don't compare PBF to Mandy.

He whipped green after he had fought kessler. And even though you dont like it he has won 2 titles in the 2nd half of his career. Unless you would work for free you can't knock his earning power. "The man" won the geale fight so dry your eyes the result isn't gonna change ever. Pbf and the man have a lot in common in terms of rhetoric.


I wonder if Danny Green would have wanted a rematch had he won. Has anybody noticed everytime Anthony Mundine fights and beats these guys they all scream for a rematch. They make more excuses than a horse trainer. Hopefully his fight coming up in April will be his last in oz. I for one am sick of listening to these guys challenging just to get their name in the paper. Hey fellas like him or not he is the man.

Spot on. All roads lead to "the man". Any concrete names yet?

[LeonMcS]

Pbf and the man have a lot in common in terms of rhetoric.

True. Mundine attempts to ape most things PBF says.

[20a87]

True. Mundine attempts to ape most things PBF says.

Great minds think alike.

[20a87]

The point I am making is that it isn't as hard as the Mundine nuthuggers claim to make these fights.

Besides, Mundine has no experience of being robbed in Germany, he was beaten quite convincingly by Ottke.

Just another excuse from Mundine the duck. Sturm isn't the only champ in the world yet he seems to have fixated on him for well over a year now. Perhaps he should try someone else instead of bleating about corrupt boxing and being ducked? Just a thought :hey

Creepy puppet :hi: - wrong again. Doesn't worry about the facts ever.

[balmain]

A decision on his next fight will be announced next week. I will speak to him tonight in Nowra. Hopefully he will have a name for me. We will be back in camp next week so will no the opponent soon.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

A decision on his next fight will be announced next week. I will speak to him tonight in Nowra. Hopefully he will have a name for me. We will be back in camp next week so will no the opponent soon.

Good to hear. Hope it's something worthwhile.

[ashley]

A decision on his next fight will be announced next week. I will speak to him tonight in Nowra. Hopefully he will have a name for me. We will be back in camp next week so will no the opponent soon.

All that may change right now with the sturm announcement?

[Sox]

He whipped green after he had fought kessler.

Yep, and the Geale fight.
In 5 years, you call that some kind of achievement for what you believe to be a an elite champion fighter?

And even though you dont like it he has won 2 titles in the 2nd half of his career.
And yet he still doesn't have any clout on the world scene.
Are alarm bells ringing yet?

Unless you would work for free you can't knock his earning power.

What's that got to do with anything? No one works for free, and at what point did I say Mandy had to work for for free?
He simply needs to take a drop in pay to lead him into bigger fights.
But his greed and fear of losing stop him.

"The man" won the geale fight so dry your eyes the result isn't gonna change ever.
You don't get it eh?
I know who won, it's the Mandy huggers that were scared shitless at the final bell. They knew they needed the judges on their side that night.
Don't you recall the frantic look of fear on Nassers mug a few rounds from the end...

Pbf and the man have a lot in common in terms of rhetoric.

Get yer hand off it, you're pulling harder than Ash at the moment.

[20a87]

Yep, and the Geale fight.
In 5 years, you call that some kind of achievement for what you believe to be a an elite champion fighter?

And yet he still doesn't have any clout on the world scene.
Are alarm bells ringing yet?

What's that got to do with anything? No one works for free, and at what point did I say Mandy had to work for for free?
He simply needs to take a drop in pay to lead him into bigger fights.
But his greed and fear of losing stop him.

You don't get it eh?
I know who won, it's the Mandy huggers that were scared shitless at the final bell. They knew they needed the judges on their side that night.
Don't you recall the frantic look of fear on Nassers mug a few rounds from the end...

Get yer hand off it, you're pulling harder than Ash at the moment.

Hamden, soliman, taylor are all solid fighter and some of the best your country had to offer...

You refuse to believe fights are difficult to make and just keep spouting the same unsubstantiated crap... Mundine chased pavlik the fight didn't happen - nothing to do with "the man". You keep saying he should take a pay cut etc - you wouldn't (i hope) take food out of your family's mouth on a gamble so why should he? The right fight will get made for the right money like every other business risk and reward is key.

Im sure mundine fans like me were all in unison with the ref when he announced "and the new..." Brilliant fight and geale gave it his all, if you are honest with yourself you knew at the final bell that geale fell short.

IBO baby!

[LeonMcS]

My favourite part of that fight was Khoder bounding up the steps at rounds end reminding Choc "We don't have the judges tonight!"

[stiflers mum]

Hamden, soliman, taylor are all solid fighter and some of the best your country had to offer...

You refuse to believe fights are difficult to make and just keep spouting the same unsubstantiated crap... Mundine chased pavlik the fight didn't happen - nothing to do with "the man". You keep saying he should take a pay cut etc - you wouldn't (i hope) take food out of your family's mouth on a gamble so why should he? The right fight will get made for the right money like every other business risk and reward is key.

Im sure mundine fans like me were all in unison with the ref when he announced "and the new..." Brilliant fight and geale gave it his all, if you are honest with yourself you knew at the final bell that geale fell short.

IBO baby!
but before the Geale fight Mundine said it would be his last fight in Australia and he would take paycuts to prove himself overseas against the best.his words i could provide a link but Leon would get angry with me.

[ashley]

My favourite part of that fight was Khoder bounding up the steps at rounds end reminding Choc "We don't have the judges tonight!"

Yes and what that meant was the close rounds are going to geale...they are not favouring us....take no chances....KHTFO :deal

Remember quite a few people saw the scores round by round

If the close rounds were going to Mundine he would have said....we are ahead on the cards....box and move

[IrnBruMan]

How do you figure Green was robbed in the first fight with Beyer ? Beyer was very badly cut and Green DELIBERATELY headbutted him directly on said cut. He was quite correctly DQ'd imo.
If the shoe was on the other foot i guarantee no Aussie would say Beyer was robbed if he was the one DQ'd while headbutting Green in similar fashion.


The incident that caused the ref to pause the fight so the doctor could check Beyer's cut was not a headbutt on the cut but was Green grinding the right side of his head against the left side of Beyer's head. He made no contact with Beyer's cut at that time.
Beyer's cut was gushing pretty much all the time after it was opened with a punch in round 2, apart from in between rounds when his corner were slathering vaseline on it.
Green had a point deducted on round 2 for an accidental headbutt.
the fight was stopped during round 5.
Beyer's corner were waiting for an excuse to have the fight stopped, and Beyer was ducking down and shooting back up again leading with his head for most of the rounds after he got the cut.

When Green ground his head against Beyer's in the 5th round, Beyer and his corner saw their opportunity and took it, over-reacting and claiming Green had headbutted him on the cut.

How many fights have you seen stopped for this reason where it's the doctor telling the ref what the decision should be? The doctor's job is to rule on the severity of the cut and whether or not it's safe for the injured fighter to continue. In this situation the doctor instantly declared to cut too bad to continue, then panicked when the ref indicated he would rule it as a win to Green.

[IrnBruMan]

Yes he had some fair points.....Mundine is having some problems getting the big fight.....sometimes its hard to get good fights made......and when you are only known in your own country and have great speed and skills it makes it harder to make fights.

Im not saying Pavlik or Sturm are scared of Mundine but they can see his speed and evasion....it will be a tricky night at the office for them.

Pavliks own hometown newspapers were talking about Mundine trying to get a fight with Pavlik.......3 or 4 of the industry pros in here know Mundine is going at Pavlik.

Can anybody tell me why Pavlik fought Espino......I can.....easy win....Espino is tough but will stand right in front of Pavlik all night looking good throwing big shots until Pavlik decides its time to stop him.

Pavlik made a big mistake fighting Espino instead of Mundine......Mundine is much closer to Martinez and PW styles in movement, angles and evasion than Espino ever will be. It would have been the best warm up fight for Pavlik so why take a plodder/ puncher?

End of the day I would be shitting my pants if Mundine fights Pavlik.....I think Mundine will do very well but it always just 1 punch away from the floor

Pavlik deserved an easy defence after coming back from the staph infection that delayed and ultimately cancelled his fight with Williams.

[ashley]

Pavlik deserved an easy defence after coming back from the staph infection that delayed and ultimately cancelled his fight with Williams.

Are you saying a Mundine fight would be hard for Pavlik :hey

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Yes and what that meant was the close rounds are going to geale...they are not favouring us....take no chances....KHTFO

Obviously just a misunderstanding then.

But isn't this is the same fighter who pulled out of a world title bout recently because he couldn't have the judges he wanted!

[LeonMcS]

but before the Geale fight Mundine said it would be his last fight in Australia and he would take paycuts to prove himself overseas against the best.his words i could provide a link but Leon would get angry with me.

You know the rules, all links from you must be at least 12 months old.

[ashley]

Obviously just a misunderstanding then.

But isn't this is the same fighter who pulled out of a world title bout recently because he couldn't have the judges he wanted!

If your saying Khoder is paying off judges then why did it take until the 8th round to work out he forgot to pay them :huh

[Sox]

Hamden, soliman, taylor are all solid fighter and some of the best your country had to offer...
No doubt they are.
However they aren't the elite fighters that Mandy has claimed he's going to fight over the last 5 years.
Mandy claims he's the best, right. I thought to be the best, you had to fight the best, and win. Do you regard the above named fighters to be best in the world, and worthy of the wo-mans claims?

You refuse to believe fights are difficult to make and just keep spouting the same unsubstantiated crap...
I know fights aren't easy to make.
Though do you honestly believe the fights he claims to have pursued couldn't have been made with the appropriate pay cut?
Money talks, both ways.

Mundine chased pavlik the fight didn't happen - nothing to do with "the man".

See above. It had everything to do with the wo-man.

You keep saying he should take a pay cut etc - you wouldn't (i hope) take food out of your family's mouth on a gamble so why should he?
Firstly, it's hardly like he's destitute now is it. Do you really think he's starving his family if he takes a 10, 20 or even 50% pay cut from a few hundred k of his next fight?
You're just being a moron now.

Secondly, how is it a gamble when he makes money win or lose, just a bit more if he wins. Hardly a bloody gamble.

Thirdly, of course I'd take a pay cut if it led to bigger and better things if I excelled this one time. In a heartbeat.

The right fight will get made for the right money like every other business risk and reward is key.

Keep dreamin'. :patsch

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

If your saying Khoder is paying off judges then why did it take until the 8th round to work out he forgot to pay them :huh

I'd never suggest they'd cheat. Just that they'd prefer mates to score their fights rather than strangers.

[ashley]

I'd never suggest they'd cheat. Just that they'd prefer mates to score their fights rather than strangers.

So with the Geale fight why did it take Khoder so long to work out if they are mates or not?

On this I remember Phil Austin...God rest his soul....saying something about the IBO selecting the judges and it had nothing to do with Khoder

I think that rings true as we saw next fight Phill kicked Khoder out for requesting NSW judges

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

So with the Geale fight why did it take Khoder so long to work out if they are mates or not?

On this I remember Phil Austin...God rest his soul....saying something about the IBO selecting the judges and it had nothing to do with Khoder

I think that rings true as we saw next fight Phill kicked Khoder out for requesting NSW judges

Team Mundine just seem to have more than the usual amount of interest in judges Ash.

[balmain]

On the night of the choc /medley fight from the corner I thought he was in complete control. When we looked at the replay the next day I could not believe Gary Dean had only 2 points in the fight. Also Choc landed a left rip that sat Medley onto the middle rope half way through. The ropes held him up but no count. Graham Shaw was telling Medley he had to knock him out but judge Dean had the fight in the balance. And you guys want to talk about judges.

[ashley]

On the night of the choc /medley fight from the corner I thought he was in complete control. When we looked at the replay the next day I could not believe Gary Dean had only 2 points in the fight. Also Choc landed a left rip that sat Medley onto the middle rope half way through. The ropes held him up but no count. Graham Shaw was telling Medley he had to knock him out but judge Dean had the fight in the balance. And you guys want to talk about judges.


Yeah...I think I had choc 9 rounds to 3...but I'm a bit bias....and I cant score :lol:

However not even the biggest hater on here could say it was a 7 rounds to 5 fight....and what is 117-115 anyway :huh

[teke]

Team Mundine just seem to have more than the usual amount of interest in judges Ash.So they should with the ridiculous scorecard in the Medley fight.

[balmain]

What concerned me was Garry Dean is an IBO official. People thought it was the weight that cancelled out the IBO. I can assure you the weight had nothing to do with it. I always said during my career all you want is judges who are fair and a referee who can count. I just hope Gary had an off night.

[stiflers mum]

You know the rules, all links from you must be at least 12 months old.
ok not quite 12 months but to 20a87 link to Choc saying he would take paycuts to prove himself on the worl.d stage.


[Only registered and activated users can see links]

[Sox]

ok not quite 12 months but to 20a87 link to Choc saying he would take paycuts to prove himself on the worl.d stage.


[Only registered and activated users can see links]
Good one stiffy....:good

Suck on that 20a87, you fucken nuthugging knob jockey.... :lol::lol:

Quote 'Mandy Mandy' just before the big fight with Geale -

"Because after this there is nothing but big fish (Did he mean Falliga?:D) to fry. I am willing to travel overseas, take a pay cut, just to show the people what I can do, who I am.''

Another fucken lie, what a fraud you guys support. :patsch

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

What concerned me was Garry Dean is an IBO official. People thought it was the weight that cancelled out the IBO. I can assure you the weight had nothing to do with it. I always said during my career all you want is judges who are fair and a referee who can count. I just hope Gary had an off night.

At least the right fighter actually got the nod - not always the case of course.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

...Quote Mandy just before the fight with Geale -

"Because after this there is nothing but big fish (Did he mean Falliga?:D) to fry. I am willing to travel overseas, take a pay cut, just to show the people what I can do, who I am.''

Your bullshit will always come back and bite you!

Particularly when you blurt out crap on a regular basis like our friend the 'Pioneer'!

[teke]

Yeah but Khoder never said he was willing to take a pay cut and thats the 1st box that needs to be ticked for any fight to happen.

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

Yeah but Khoder never said he was willing to take a pay cut and thats the 1st box that needs to be ticked for any fight to happen.

In politics they refer to promises they don't intend keeping as a non-core promises?

...perhaps that's what it was Teke?

[IrnBruMan]

Are you saying a Mundine fight would be hard for Pavlik :hey

No, I was just cutting you off at the pass with your criticism of Espino.

Stop looking for a silver-lining every time that piece of shit Mundine is mentioned on here ashley, it got old and boring a long time ago.

[Sox]

Yeah but Khoder never said he was willing to take a pay cut and thats the 1st box that needs to be ticked for any fight to happen.
Yeh but, yeh but, yeh but.......
Yeh but nothing mate, Mandy shouldn't sprout this shit then should he?
Maybe Khoder needs a bigger choke chain, or is that a choc chain?? :lol::lol:

[ashley]

This is the fight game boys....everybody is calling out everybody....most fighters talk shit to get more bums on seats.....and they always talk up themselves before a fight or after a win :deal

Ok so Mundines mouth is faster than his hands......and he has mastered the BS that's required to get PPV and gate sucess.

You can call him dumb and a loud mouth but in the end hes living his dream and fighting at "World Class Level"

Its all just fight hype so you tune in next time

(Is this what you mean about silver lining IrnBruMan :hi:)

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

...just so long as the next 'big' announcement aint Falliga II or another Argie cab driver!

[Sox]

This is the fight game boys....everybody is calling out everybody....most fighters talk shit to get more bums on seats.....and they always talk up themselves before a fight or after a win :deal

Ok so Mundines mouth is faster than his hands......and he has mastered the BS that's required to get PPV and gate sucess.

You can call him dumb and a loud mouth but in the end hes living his dream and fighting at "World Class Level"

Its all just fight hype so you tune in next time

(Is this what you mean about silver lining IrnBruMan :hi:)
Ashley, ich denke du bist ein arsch mit ohren. :deal

[ashley]

Ashley, ich denke du bist ein arsch mit ohren. :deal

Do you really want me to call my wife down to read this mate?

[ashley]

...just so long as the next 'big' announcement aint Falliga II or another Argie cab driver!

I know he has a date in April with Main Event....it should be made public shortly who he is fighting.....but 1 thing if for sure....Unless its Pavlik, Sturm or Sylvester none of you guys are going to be happy :deal

I hope it is Golovkin for the full or regular title but I dont think that type of fight will be made until mid year.

I think its a shot at the WBA regular title against a top 10 to 25 ranked fighter from the states

All this last minute Sturm vacating stuff may change things for the worse.....he may need a win at all cost fight so he gets the title shot mid year.

If he fights another cab driver I will be pissed off as well

[Sox]

Do you really want me to call my wife down to read this mate?
:lol::lol:
Go for it, it's pretty mild.

[ashley]

:lol::lol:
Go for it, it's pretty mild.

haha....she said is that the same nasty man thats giving you that sick homosexual avatar.....I said yes....she read it....she said that he must not like you very much....she said he thinks "your an ass with ears" :fire

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

...she said he thinks "your an ass with ears"

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Is this a good likeness Ash?

[Sox]

haha....she said is that the same nasty man thats giving you that sick homosexual avatar.....I said yes....she read it....she said that he must not like you very much....she said he thinks "your an ass with ears" :fire
:rofl:rofl:rofl
I can't stop laughing........ :lol::lol::lol:

[Sox]

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Is this a good likeness Ash?
Perfect. :D:D:D

[ashley]

:rofl:rofl:rofl
I can't stop laughing........ :lol::lol::lol:

Yes yes its very funny....

My wife wanted to ask you this question......

Haben Sie eine Faszination fur homosexuelle Handlungen?

[LeonMcS]

Ash, can you ask her from me if she minds sharing the bed with a lifesize Mundine blow up doll at night?

[ashley]

Ash, can you ask her from me if she minds sharing the bed with a lifesize Mundine blow up doll at night?

You must be confusing me with Sydney Smutt....hes the closet mundine hugger :lol:

[Sydney Smutt]

What concerned me was Garry Dean is an IBO official. People thought it was the weight that cancelled out the IBO. I can assure you the weight had nothing to do with it. I always said during my career all you want is judges who are fair and a referee who can count. I just hope Gary had an off night.

With all due respect, what a crock of shit! I don't recall any bad press from Team Mundine with respect to Garry Dean after the Geale fight!

[Sydney Smutt]

You must be confusing me with Sydney Smutt....hes the closet mundine hugger :lol:

Yeah I'm a closet nut-hugger, Flamengo is a closet nut-hugger blah blah blah :roll:

[ashley]

Yeah I'm a closet nut-hugger, Flamengo is a closet nut-hugger blah blah blah :roll:

Have you caught up with the news of the day yet Smutt?????

[Sydney Smutt]

what? Come on then enlighten me... no let me guess, you let his nuts go for 30 seconds and only suffered minor withdrawls?

[ashley]

what? Come on then enlighten me... no let me guess, you let his nuts go for 30 seconds and only suffered minor withdrawls?


..take a look at contendos thread "ASH's dream may come true'....all the good news is in there :yep

[Sydney Smutt]

Wow! Sturm may or may NOT be vacating his title, leaving Choc to maybe or maybe not fight for yet another vacant title. I will be able to take a boat to work on Monday from all the rivers of Semen flowing from your house....

[ashley]

Wow! Sturm may or may NOT be vacating his title, leaving Choc to maybe or maybe not fight for yet another vacant title. I will be able to take a boat to work on Monday from all the rivers of Semen flowing from your house....

This is the best news for a long time.....apart from when he became Mr 3 time wining the IBO belt :hey

[Sydney Smutt]

Well until you know for sure what Sturm is doing, and what might be decreed by the WBA including purse bids, don't you think you are getting a little too excited at this stage?

[boxoncottonon]

This is the best news for a long time.....apart from when he became Mr 3 time wining the IBO belt :hey


Holy shit Ash.....is you favorite movie "Field of Dreams" with Kevin Costner.

"For Pete's sake, Cicotte (Insert Ashley), that was 68 years ago! Give it up, will ya?"

:bbb:bbb

[ashley]

Well until you know for sure what Sturm is doing, and what might be decreed by the WBA including purse bids, don't you think you are getting a little too excited at this stage?



Ya think

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[Sydney Smutt]

Branch Davidians had faith too.....

[ashley]

Branch Davidians had faith too.....


The nut huggers club is much better....and you dont have to die in the end

[Sydney Smutt]

Oh I don't know, I think we could work on that for you......

[ashley]

Oh I don't know, I think we could work on that for you......

I dont know if I like the sound of that :huh

[COULDHAVEBEEN]

With all due respect, what a crock of shit! I don't recall any bad press from Team Mundine with respect to Garry Dean after the Geale fight!

They seem very particular when it comes to judges!

Perhaps boxing needs to adopt the approach the legal system employs when juries are selected ie. there's a pool and they are paraded one by one past both sides, and each side has a number of challenges etc.

Who needs preliminary bouts? The judge selection parade could be the curtain raiser, and the crowd could cheer, heckle, throw things etc, as appropriate...

[20a87]

Good one stiffy....:good

Suck on that 20a87, you fucken nuthugging knob jockey.... :lol::lol:

Quote 'Mandy Mandy' just before the big fight with Geale -

"Because after this there is nothing but big fish (Did he mean Falliga?:D) to fry. I am willing to travel overseas, take a pay cut, just to show the people what I can do, who I am.''

Another fucken lie, what a fraud you guys support. :patsch
Way to construct an argument by taking things out of context, its time to let your head have a go at talking and give your arse a rest. :deal

Willing to - chasing pavlik, take a pay cut for the right fight. The article also mentions money being the sole motivation if green wants a rematch because boxing is a business. So he wants it and is willing to make concessions for the right fight like i've already said, sturm didnt want to travel, pavlik took an easy way out etc
One thing you can't argue is he disposed of geale :good
Falliga was a keep busy fight im sure in your expert promoter/trainer opinion it would be better to take time off.

No, I was just cutting you off at the pass with your criticism of Espino.

Stop looking for a silver-lining every time that piece of shit Mundine is mentioned on here ashley, it got old and boring a long time ago.

Not as old as your creepy puppet no knowledge posts :hi:

On the night of the choc /medley fight from the corner I thought he was in complete control. When we looked at the replay the next day I could not believe Gary Dean had only 2 points in the fight. Also Choc landed a left rip that sat Medley onto the middle rope half way through. The ropes held him up but no count. Graham Shaw was telling Medley he had to knock him out but judge Dean had the fight in the balance. And you guys want to talk about judges.

I fail to see how people can criticise the medley performance, it was another cut and dry clinic from mundine. If medley got points for grinning like a tit then its a fair score, but i just saw mundine clown him and treat him like a punch bag.

[teke]

I fail to see how people can criticise the medley performance, it was another cut and dry clinic from mundine. If medley got points for grinning like a tit then its a fair score, but i just saw mundine clown him and treat him like a punch bag.:lol::lol:

Thats all he did in the fight, backed up got punched a few thousand times and smiled

[Sox]

Way to construct an argument by taking things out of context, its time to let your head have a go at talking and give your arse a rest. :deal
:wtf are you on about? Are you fucken mental?

Willing to - chasing pavlik, take a pay cut for the right fight. The article also mentions money being the sole motivation if green wants a rematch because boxing is a business. So he wants it and is willing to make concessions for the right fight like i've already said, sturm didnt want to travel, pavlik took an easy way out etc
Mandy contradicted himself in virtually the same sentence.
He is either money driven or not, which one is it?
We all know which one it is, and why it is.

One thing you can't argue is he disposed of geale :good

As I said, it pisses you off no end that Geale wooped your girlfriend.

Falliga was a keep busy fight im sure in your expert promoter/trainer opinion it would be better to take time off.

Whatver it was, it wasn't who he claimed he was going to fight. Just another lie from the fraud.

It also was supposed to be the "road to rematch" with Geale, where has that gone? Oh, another fucken lie from the fraud. :deal

I fail to see how people can criticise the medley performance, it was another cut and dry clinic from mundine. If medley got points for grinning like a tit then its a fair score, but i just saw mundine clown him and treat him like a punch bag.
It's seems you've been clowned a fair bit eh?
No question Mandy convincingly won that fight, however to say Medley was clowned is pure idiocy. Medley did far better than myself and many others would have thought.

I honestly thought Medley wouldn't have lasted the distance, the fact he did and stayed pretty strong......

[Sox]

:lol::lol:

Thats all he did in the fight, backed up got punched a few thousand times and smiled
Don't you start hugger. :hey

[Sox]

Haben Sie eine Faszination fur homosexuelle Handlungen?
Nein, aber ich dachte, dass Ashley tat, weil er ein Anhänger von Mandy ist.

[ashley]

Nein, aber ich dachte, dass Ashley tat, weil er ein Anhänger von Mandy ist.

IIn Deutschland, wenn mir geben oter mn builder homosexuell tatigheit in der regel i mea sie ae homosexuell

[20a87]

:wtf are you on about? Are you fucken mental?

Mandy contradicted himself in virtually the same sentence.
He is either money driven or not, which one is it?
We all know which one it is, and why it is.

As I said, it pisses you off no end that Geale wooped your girlfriend.

Whatver it was, it wasn't who he claimed he was going to fight. Just another lie from the fraud.

It also was supposed to be the "road to rematch" with Geale, where has that gone? Oh, another fucken lie from the fraud. :deal

It's seems you've been clowned a fair bit eh?
No question Mandy convincingly won that fight, however to say Medley was clowned is pure idiocy. Medley did far better than myself and many others would have thought.

I honestly thought Medley wouldn't have lasted the distance, the fact he did and stayed pretty strong......

No not mental, pretty bored of you posting the same wrong facts and weak arguments plucked from the air in every post though.

It was pretty easy to understand : money is his motivation for fights against the likes of green but he would take a pay cut to fight pavlik etc

Your avatar gives you away, i would find a pic of geale where the end of the fight wasn't mundine wearing his belt :lol:

Medley looked scared most of the fight even his own corner gave that away, teke was right he backed up whilst facially gurning whilst the man teed off with combos, ali shuffles etc

IBO baby :good

[Sox]

No not mental, pretty bored of you posting the same wrong facts and weak arguments plucked from the air in every post though.
A sword has 2 edges.....

It was pretty easy to understand : money is his motivation for fights against the likes of green but he would take a pay cut to fight pavlik etc

:rofl so why hasn't a fight with Pavlik been secured if you claim Mandy was willing to take a pay cut?
Oh that's right, because it's not that easy.... :patsch

Medley looked scared most of the fight even his own corner gave that away, teke was right he backed up whilst facially gurning whilst the man teed off with combos, ali shuffles etc
There's no helping you mate, I thought you had hope for while in the supplements thread when you showed a brief human side, but you're off with the fairys again with this latest stuff. :lol::lol:

[20a87]

A sword has 2 edges.....

:rofl so why hasn't a fight with Pavlik been secured if you claim Mandy was willing to take a pay cut?
Oh that's right, because it's not that easy.... :patsch

There's no helping you mate, I thought you had hope for while in the supplements thread when you showed a brief human side, but you're off with the fairys again with this latest stuff. :lol::lol:

You always pick the blunt edge

The rumoured deal floating about was a huge pay cut, I would suggest HBO wanted one of their guys to fight kp.

I had no such faith in you, i might "be away with the fairies" in your view but you must be away with a crack pipe and a hefty pack of crack.

IBO baby!

[Sox]

You always pick the blunt edge

The rumoured deal floating about was a huge pay cut, I would suggest HBO wanted one of their guys to fight kp.

I had no such faith in you, i might "be away with the fairies" in your view but you must be away with a crack pipe and a hefty pack of crack.

IBO baby!
:hat

[balmain]

Spoke to choc in Nowra last night. They are just waiting for a reply from the WBA on his next opponent. He is slowly recovering from his groin operation. Everything will be finalised very soon about his next fight. We go back into camp next weekend. The next fight wont be an easy one. We agreed on making a few changes so he will be better equipped to step up. The fight wont be in Sydney.