Who did Willie Pep ever beat? NOBODY

[Manassa]

A list of 'name' fighters beaten, i.e., ones who were rated in the RING's top ten at one point or another (although, apart from a few exceptions, they were mostly rated at or near the time he beat them):

Spider Armstrong
Pedro Hernandez x2
Bobby Ivy
Vince Dell'Orto x2
Bill Speary x2
Allie Stolz
Sal Bartolo x3
Jackie Wilson x2
Willie Roache x2
Willie Joyce
Lulu Constantino
Joey Peralta
Charley Lewis x3
Phil Terranova
Jackie Graves
Lefty LaChance x2
Humberto Sierra x2
Jock Leslie
Miguel Avacedo
Teddy Davis x3
Paddy DeMarco
Eddie Compo
Harold Dade
Charley Riley
Ray Famechon
Bobby Bell x2
Carlos Chavez
Eddie Chavez
Baby Neff Ortiz
Rodolfo Gonzales
Gil Cadilli

Chalky Wright x4
Manuel Ortiz
Sandy Saddler

The separate section consists of Hall of Famers.

It's worth noting that many of the fighters he beat were heavier than him by nearly a full division.

As you can see, he clearly belongs south of history's best, probably more towards the #50 mark.

[The Funny Man 7]

I think Chalky Wright was a better fighter than he gets credit for. Most people just seem to know him as the guy was unfortunate enough to fight in the same era and division as the great Willie Pep.

[Robbi]

Pep was outside the top 200 of all-time.

[junior-soprano]

Pep was outside the top 200 of all-time.

hahahahahahahahahaha:patsch don't smoke so much ganja man.. it affects you're brains

[Manassa]

Pep was outside the top 200 of all-time.

I wouldn't go that far, I'm sure you could find a place for him at about #90 alongside Lew Jenkins.

[TheGreatA]

He was most certainly an overrated hypejob with no boxing skill. All flash, no substance.

[Manassa]

In all seriousness, I hope this thread proves contrary to the argument that Pep's record is sub-par.

[mcvey]

I wouldn't go that far, I'm sure you could find a place for him at about #90 alongside Lew Jenkins.

Has a better boxer than
Lew Jenkins ever entered the squared circle?:huh

[Flea Man]

Seriously Manassa, loving your sarcastic sumaries of records as of late :good

[TheGreatA]

Slightly off-topic but does anyone else rate Chalky Wright (a featherweight) going to a majority decision against Cocoa Kid (welterweight/middleweight) a pretty solid achievement?

Cocoa Kid was coming off a 15 round decision win over Holman Williams for the coloured welterweight title.

Here's an article about the LaMotta-Robinson bout which includes a brief mention of Chalky Wright vs Cocoa Kid:

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Wright fought several other welterweights as well. Seemed like he didn't care about such minor things as a 20 pound weight advantage.

[GPater11093]

Manassa i never know when you are joking or not i was about to lay in some tirade why Pep is so good.

[Manassa]

Manassa i never know when you are joking or not i was about to lay in some tirade why Pep is so good.

Nah I was just playing on the notion, and I've heard people say it, that Pep fought nothing but cab drivers. His record clearly shows a large number of worthwhile scalps, and it makes it all the more notable that half of them outweighed him.

[McGrain]

A list of 'name' fighters beaten, i.e., ones who were rated in the RING's top ten at one point or another (although, apart from a few exceptions, they were mostly rated at or near the time he beat them):

Spider Armstrong
Pedro Hernandez x2
Bobby Ivy
Vince Dell'Orto x2
Bill Speary x2
Allie Stolz
Sal Bartolo x3
Jackie Wilson x2
Willie Roache x2
Willie Joyce
Lulu Constantino
Joey Peralta
Charley Lewis x3
Phil Terranova
Jackie Graves
Lefty LaChance x2
Humberto Sierra x2
Jock Leslie
Miguel Avacedo
Teddy Davis x3
Paddy DeMarco
Eddie Compo
Harold Dade
Charley Riley
Ray Famechon
Bobby Bell x2
Carlos Chavez
Eddie Chavez
Baby Neff Ortiz
Rodolfo Gonzales
Gil Cadilli

Chalky Wright x4
Manuel Ortiz
Sandy Saddler

The separate section consists of Hall of Famers.

It's worth noting that many of the fighters he beat were heavier than him by nearly a full division.

As you can see, he clearly belongs south of history's best, probably more towards the #50 mark.


:lol:

He's on a ROLL ladies and gentlemen!

[Longhhorn71]

Isn't there a film of Pep and Ray Robinson sparring after they retired?

[TheGreatA]

Isn't there a film of Pep and Ray Robinson sparring after they retired?

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[klompton]

Robinson said Pep was the greatest boxer he'd ever seen. That pretty much says it all however, another great quote about that I think comes from W. C. Heinz was that in most boxing matches you root for the KO to end the fight, when Pep was fighting he would hope there was no KO so he could watch as much of Pep's beautiful artistry as possible. Thats high praise indeed.

[IntentionalButt]

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29-27 Pep based on clean punching, effective aggression, ring generalship, and defense.

[Bummy Davis]

All you have to do is watch Pep in the ring he was a thing of beauty in action....up there lb4lb as one of the best top3 IMO