Mosley vs Clottey

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who you got?

I wouldn't be surprised if Clottey beat Mosley and his style proves to be all wrong for him.

Having said that, Clottey has to make me a believer for me to ever pick him against top level and clever fighters. I just don't like his disposition in the ring where it takes him 30 seconds to reset a combo. It's not a good thing when you have a guy (Cotto) with an eye busted up in front of you and can't step on the gas for in-fighting and brawling close quarters. Look at what Timothy did vs. Nate after the cut and rewind back to Joshua. One smells blood and shark attacks while the other just ear muffs and admires his work from 30 secs ago.

The reason i say I wouldn't surprise if Shane lost to really any top level fighter at this point is because the man is 37/38 yrs old and has been in some wars. He will eventually lose to the man who's career record is 500-0 with no draws and that's Father Time. But in lieu of arm chair analysis after the fact, I just don't see right now how Shane loses to a 90 second a round fighter. Unless Shane gets old or badly cut early, I see easy in-n-out combos in the center and getting off first for a clear points win.

Some will mention Winky and how Shane struggled with that style, However Clottey is no Winky, Winky is taller, more active, better and more consistant Jab, harder and more resolute shell and has more variety in his punches...not to mention he's just a better all round fighter. Shane under Naseem Richardson is a different guy than the Shane( under Jack) who fought Winky. You see the body work, smarter and the inside Mugging Shane put on Margarito...the same guy that fought Winky is the same fighter most predicted would get blown out by Margarito. Clottey ain't no Vernon either who kept him at bay with that brillient rangy jab.

Granted Clottey is accurate with a decent jab. But it's precisely that "accuracy" which has transfixed him into being a fighter that wastes precious minutes of a round to land a rifle. Meanwhile Shane is using a shotgun and bagging up the compubox but even more important, the points. Clottey needs to wipe the slate clean on the way he fought Cotto or even Judah for the most part, and start to create Off by taking more chances. Anything short of that old Joshua will have another charge off on his credit report.

not to mention the guy always finds a way to lose his biggest fights due to lack of aggression and workrate. You have to be a "active" boxer to beat Shane. One thing is guarenteed with Clottey's style 1) his opponents are up on points for most of his big fights; and B) He'll always have something to complain about after.

[Dan684]

Shane wins. this will be hard but I bet you know if he wins this and rematches Cotto (who gets beat by Pac) before April, he'd beat Cotto. he took the Cotto fight with such a long layoff he looked poor, similiar to his Mayorga performance. He only had 3 and a half months inbetween Mayorga and Margharito and look how he did then. He struggle through Clottey.

[Losfer_Words]

Many will automatically think Mosley but this is a very interesting clash of styles. At times, Cotto had Clottey in trouble before backing off- Mosley's speed and intensity should be enough to nullify Clottey. Mosley will bring it and if anyone is lazy enough to lose it on points, it's Clottey. I think due to the styles Mosley has enough to outbox Clottey. Shane wins via UD but Clottey remains unmarked (I don't think the bloke is human) and produces more comical 'gigs' on the way to the ring:yep.

Interesting and exciting fight- the end of the year is looking awesome:D:good.

[kosaros]

Lets just hope Clottey really does realise he is in the last chance at the big time situation and ups his workrate!

[GPater11093]

Shane's speed will be a huge factor in this, clottey aint fought no one near as quick as Shane and remember late on Cottos movement gave Joshua trouble and Shanes alot better mover than Cotto IMO.

[kosaros]

Shane's speed will be a huge factor in this, clottey aint fought no one near as quick as Shane and remember late on Cottos movement gave Joshua trouble and Shanes alot better mover than Cotto IMO.

Erm, Judah?

[GPater11093]

Erm, Judah?

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im an idot i saw that fight aswell

just ignore me :patsch

Also Mosley did better against Winky when Winky stopped fighting for the rounds and took minutes off etc.. alot like Clottey does

[Losfer_Words]

Erm, Judah?

A shadow of the real 'super' Judah, IMO.

[kosaros]

A shadow of the real 'super' Judah, IMO.

He still has the speed IMO. :good

[Losfer_Words]

He still has the speed IMO. :good

Or was it something Panama mixed with his water? Anyways, back to the thread- Mosley UD. Clottey cries 'outrage' after the fight as well. That bloke is so unintentionally hilarious it's untrue!:lol:

[GazOC]

Mosely for me. Clottey just doesn't have that something 'extra' to mix it in that class IMHO.

[GPater11093]

i think Clootey has too big of a head to win

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Lets just hope Clottey really does realise he is in the last chance at the big time situation and ups his workrate!

"Work Rate" & "Punch Volume" are the key words in this fight.

a lot of this fight imo is also going to rest on effective aggressiveness. If shane does not mix up his attack he will have trouble being effective, Shane's head is stationary and straight sometimes, i dont know if thats an age thing or just a lack of concentration but mosley is NOT that hard to find.

but like we've all been saying Clottey just doesn't finish his meals and punches on a limited budget.

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Shane's speed will be a huge factor in this, clottey aint fought no one near as quick as Shane and remember late on Cottos movement gave Joshua trouble and Shanes alot better mover than Cotto IMO.

you can make a strong case that Shane won that fight against Cotto. for me Naseem Richardson has made a big difference, Mosley was just a fast brawler but Richardson has added strategy and smarts to his game, i think he beats cotto with naseem let alone Clottey.

Clottey never doing what he is supposed to and Shane having Naseem in his corner is all the break down needed in this one.

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Mosely for me. Clottey just doesn't have that something 'extra' to mix it in that class IMHO.

unless he can get a energizer bunny inserted into his back, he'll continue to be the grandmaster of nothing

[GazOC]

I know its easier said than done after 9 rounds of boxing but that Cotto fight was there to be taken for Clottey and he just didn't seem willing (or able) to take that extra step.

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like i said Gaz, I just don't like his disposition in the ring where it takes him 30 seconds to reset a combo. It's not a good thing when you have a guy (Cotto) with an eye busted up in front of you and can't step on the gas for in-fighting and brawling close quarters. He just ear muffs and admires his work from 30 secs ago instead of smelling blood, he doesn't have that "killer" instinct

['Ben']

No way in hell Shane loses this one!

I heard he might face Berto istead though.... I'd rather see him againtst Berto aswell to be honest.

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No way in hell Shane loses this one!

I heard he might face Berto istead though.... I'd rather see him againtst Berto aswell to be honest.

Same here. I wanted to watch a schooling and experience a 'Sugar' rush:conf.

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Ben and Losfer...I'm sick of seeing Clottey choke at the big stage, I'd like to see Berto vs Shane too, but looks like there ain't enough moolah for it to happen unless HBO throws some chedder on it.

who you got in a potential Kid Haiti vs Mildly sweet old man Shane?

My instinct tells me Mosley, but then I'm thinking maybe his win, great as it was, against Margarito is slightly sugar coating the signs of ageing we saw beforehand.....having said that Berto is not ready and my opinion of him has dwindled with every passing fight.

looking at it stylistically, Berto's fast hands can keep Shane from setting his feet often and laying down power punches but Shane can adapt in a fight against a youngster like Berto and he's skilled enough to land the more meaningful shots imo...maybe it ends in decision but i gotta feeling Shane take's him to deep waters and drowns him with Berto taking a few big ones and going out late.

Actually the more I think about it, the more I get worried for Andre on something i picked up in Berto vs Urango. You'll probabily recall that back handed flick jab Berto used. I hate to say it but that was an illegal punch! No doubt GBP, Nazim and Shane will have this implanted in the ref's brain even before the bell sounds. So you take away this bad habit but still second nature instinct with a point deduction, and now Berto can't work behind his bread-n-butter.

This is going to be one of the first times that Shane will not be the one getting off first in the exchanges or the middle of the ring where Sugar Shane has made his living. But in looking at Vernon, Winky & Cotto, they all had a common denominator and that was the double, triple jab to set things up. Berto at times reverts to a Roy Jones type of stance where the only thing to follow is some type of off-balance straight or leaping type hook. This won't work against Shane.

Another big factor is Nazim richardson (can't emphasize it enough) he's made a big difference to mosley, the strategy of nazim (controlling the pace with crucial clinches) against margarito made a big difference, he fought him how cotto should've, that fight was like cotto vs margarito with clinches and shane knowing how to nullify margarito's aggression and control the pace.

I also get the feeling the burden of that green strap might weigh to heavily on Berto's young shoulders, it was available so they took it but might've been a little early he's just a work in progress who happens to have a shinny green strap therefore being the hunted when he maybe should've learnt how to hunt first.

['Ben']

Ben and Losfer...I'm sick of seeing Clottey choke at the big stage, I'd like to see Berto vs Shane too, but looks like there ain't enough moolah for it to happen unless HBO throws some chedder on it.

who you got in a potential Kid Haiti vs Mildly sweet old man Shane?

My instinct tells me Mosley, but then I'm thinking maybe his win, great as it was, against Margarito is slightly sugar coating the signs of ageing we saw beforehand.....having said that Berto is not ready and my opinion of him has dwindled with every passing fight.

looking at it stylistically, Berto's fast hands can keep Shane from setting his feet often and laying down power punches but Shane can adapt in a fight against a youngster like Berto and he's skilled enough to land the more meaningful shots imo...maybe it ends in decision but i gotta feeling Shane take's him to deep waters and drowns him with Berto taking a few big ones and going out late.

Actually the more I think about it, the more I get worried for Andre on something i picked up in Berto vs Urango. You'll probabily recall that back handed flick jab Berto used. I hate to say it but that was an illegal punch! No doubt GBP, Nazim and Shane will have this implanted in the ref's brain even before the bell sounds. So you take away this bad habit but still second nature instinct with a point deduction, and now Berto can't work behind his bread-n-butter.

This is going to be one of the first times that Shane will not be the one getting off first in the exchanges or the middle of the ring where Sugar Shane has made his living. But in looking at Vernon, Winky & Cotto, they all had a common denominator and that was the double, triple jab to set things up. Berto at times reverts to a Roy Jones type of stance where the only thing to follow is some type of off-balance straight or leaping type hook. This won't work against Shane.

Another big factor is Nazim richardson (can't emphasize it enough) he's made a big difference to mosley, the strategy of nazim (controlling the pace with crucial clinches) against margarito made a big difference, he fought him how cotto should've, that fight was like cotto vs margarito with clinches and shane knowing how to nullify margarito's aggression and control the pace.

I also get the feeling the burden of that green strap might weigh to heavily on Berto's young shoulders, it was available so they took it but might've been a little early he's just a work in progress who happens to have a shinny green strap therefore being the hunted when he maybe should've learnt how to hunt first.


I agree that Mosley would beat Berto.... but Berto is a world champion, like it or not and I can tell that he won't improve too much stylistcally anyway that will make him any better in the future.... so for me it's more of a case of put up or shut up for Berto.

There is no way HBO would be more interested in Clottey-Mosley opposed to Berto-Mosley in my opinion as Berto has fought on HBO his entire career. Berto has a reputation as being being pretty exciting to watch with a good KO ratio.... plus a Berto fight would also be a unification fight aswell which don't hurt much from a TV executives point of view either.

[Beeston Brawler]

Berto's handlers wouldn't be stupid enough to put him in with Mosley.

Let's face it, he was gifted the WBC title courtesy of some soft matchmaking and was beaten by Collazo.

Clunky, sloppy footwork and hittable = easy night for Shane.

['Ben']

Berto's handlers wouldn't be stupid enough to put him in with Mosley.

Let's face it, he was gifted the WBC title courtesy of some soft matchmaking and was beaten by Collazo.

Clunky, sloppy footwork and hittable = easy night for Shane.


his handlers are the only that I can see stopping this one from happening. Have you noticed nowdays that ALL those top prospects nowdays that are talked about the most.... that only fight nobodies on the way up are all unbelievably vunerable.

[Beeston Brawler]

Yeah, because all the decent ones are avoided.

Put it this way, if I were a top 20 welter, I would be banging on door of Berto's promoter, and probably parked outside his house :lol: constantly offering to fight on a winner takes all basis, with the loser receiving only training expenses and £50k for their troubles.

I suppose an example of your theory is Ortiz, or Chavez jr (especially).

['Ben']

Also Khan, Harrison (a few years ago I know) Duddy, Lee even Jacobs to be honest. Promoters are so fucking greedy and selfish it sickens me.

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There is no way HBO would be more interested in Clottey-Mosley opposed to Berto-Mosley in my opinion as Berto has fought on HBO his entire career. Berto has a reputation as being being pretty exciting to watch with a good KO ratio.... plus a Berto fight would also be a unification fight aswell which don't hurt much from a TV executives point of view either.

hence why they're asking for money HBO is not willing to offer. There was talk of this fight being in the carribean at one point or Berto going to Turkey to defend against mini tyson

[Beeston Brawler]

Both Duddy and Lee have been awfully handled.

I have incurred the wrath of many of our Irish friends (D-Mac excepted) for basically coming out within days of joining ESB and saying that neither of them are going anywhere, and are basically committing extortion by fighting on the east coast where there is a demand for Irish fighters.

They have simply engaged in a series of meaningless 8 and 10 round fights against C level opposition. Why not fight for the EBU title against some good fighters here, rather than simply beating journeymen?

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btw lads Is this fight signed? Or are we playing fantasy boxing again. :lol: we all know how boxing's been doing us all this year. :-(

Looking around I think we're playing fantasy boxing but that's all we've got. With the way this year has gone, we will be playing fantasy boxing till the actual bell sounds. Let's not forget that Valuev and Chagaev stepped on the scales, weighed in and the fight was STILL CALLED OFF! I mean seriously, what other sport does something like that happen in? So it's all fantasy boxing from here on out....

['Ben']

btw lads Is this fight signed? Or are we playing fantasy boxing again. :lol: we all know how boxing's been doing us all this year. :-(

Looking around I think we're playing fantasy boxing but that's all we've got. With the way this year has gone, we will be playing fantasy boxing till the actual bell sounds. Let's not forget that Valuev and Chagaev stepped on the scales, weighed in and the fight was STILL CALLED OFF! I mean seriously, what other sport does something like that happen in? So it's all fantasy boxing from here on out....


Just think posotive from now on!!!

['Ben']

Both Duddy and Lee have been awfully handled.

I have incurred the wrath of many of our Irish friends (D-Mac excepted) for basically coming out within days of joining ESB and saying that neither of them are going anywhere, and are basically committing extortion by fighting on the east coast where there is a demand for Irish fighters.

They have simply engaged in a series of meaningless 8 and 10 round fights against C level opposition. Why not fight for the EBU title against some good fighters here, rather than simply beating journeymen?


I agree totally, it's really irritating me thinking about it to be honest. I have entirely celtic blood in me.... I'd be better off going to Americas east coast and reaping the rewards than those guys. Not that they're terrible or anything but they won't be getting any better fighting the opposition they are right now.

[Beeston Brawler]

Well Duddy is 30.

Ricky Hatton is 30 FFS - Duddy has done absolutely nothing by comparison :lol:

Lee is what, 26?

I know it was an upset and all, but potentially world class fighters don't get KTFO by Brian Vera. Perhaps he will surprise me, I don't know, but I cannot see it.

['Ben']

I don't see them going anywhere anytime soon to be honest either.

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duddy is garbage

[TheUzi]

Clottey will look back on his performance with Cotto and take some real positives from the fight. He knows what he has to do and where it went wrong.

Mosley put in one of the most inspired performances of his life last time out but taking nothing away from him, Margarito's head couldn't have been right knowing the drama which was ahead of him.

If I got a decent price on Clottey I'd pick him.

[GazOC]

I can see Lee MAYBE progressing but Duddy is what he is.

[TFFP]

Duddy is a dud and Lee isn't much better at the top level, just somewhat more talented.

As for Mosley/Clottey it would be competitive but clear for Mosley just like every other Clottey fight against a top opponent. Clottey starts well, falls asleep, Shane outworks him for the decision.

[Beeston Brawler]

I hate to use the word, but Clottey was exposed in the Margarito fight for exactly that reason.

He got away with it against Judah because Zab always fades...... Mosley wouldn't.

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Clottey will look back on his performance with Cotto and take some real positives from the fight. He knows what he has to do and where it went wrong.

like he should've learnt from the margarito performance? oh don't tell me he had an injury :tired

to quate some rapper "you are who you are player" not finishing a fight is clottey's major character flaw, it's like a super hero who's affraid of heights. He couldn't do it in his biggest fight with a busted up Cotto ripe for the picking, the dude punches on a limited budget like he's on one of those computer games where your "life" drops the more you punch, he better hope Shane gets injured or something even then Clottey won't go for kill, killer instinct is not something one can turn on and off like a tap, you don't just find it over night either.

[G.A.V.]

If this fight comes off. Fucking hell, I cannot wait. It'll be amazing.

[dan-b]

Mosley can do everything Clottey does but better and with more speed. People will point to Clottey's ruggedness but Mosley is more than happy to get into the trenches when he needs to. Clottey is lazy and will be made to look bad when Mosley is throwing fast accurate punches. The Mosley that turned up for Margarito fight should win handily but I just wonder if he can get that motivated for a fight with Clottey. That would be my main concern for Shane as this isn't the mega fight he was hoping for.

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^ motivation is never a problem with sugar shane, especially considering he's having financial troubles, he recently got divorced from his korean wife and manager Jin and apparently she's been fleecing his bank account.

['Ben']

^ motivation is never a problem with sugar shane, especially considering he's having financial troubles, he recently got divorced from his korean wife and manager Jin and apparently she's been fleecing is bank account.


You have to take your hat off to him in the build for the Maragrito fight with all that going on, plus the steroid scandal going on too.

['Ben']

Don't agree with steroids by the way.

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:scaredas: whats with the disturbing avvys ben?

['Ben']

:scaredas: whats with the disturbing avvys ben?


Don't know what you mean?:huh That's from Halloween, John Carpenters finest piece of film making and quite frankly a directing masterpiece.

[TheUzi]

like he should've learnt from the margarito performance? oh don't tell me he had an injury :tired

to quate some rapper "you are who you are player" not finishing a fight is clottey's major character flaw, it's like a super hero who's affraid of heights. He couldn't do it in his biggest fight with a busted up Cotto ripe for the picking, the dude punches on a limited budget like he's on one of those computer games where your "life" drops the more you punch, he better hope Shane gets injured or something even then Clottey won't go for kill, killer instinct is not something one can turn on and off like a tap, you don't just find it over night either.

I tend to believe he did have an injury in the Marg fight...was it not the 4th or 5th he hurt his hand??

Anyway the Marg fight is not relevant to the point i was originally making as in the Cotto fight he genuinely thought he was winning the fight.

I honestly believe he will have learnt lessons from the Cotto bout.

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Ok so Andre Berto's over protected arse has just gone completely soft on us...i guess the money he never earned, and the title he never deserved and the pampering he got from HBO got to his head now the little girl is turning down a career high pay day against an average fighter on the Mosley-Clottey undercard and his second reason is...HE DOESNT WANT TO LOSE WEIGHT ON CHRISTMAS lol no need to see this kid in the ring hes already a loser in my mind.

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looks like this is a done deal

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yep its official for dec 26th in LA

get in there my son

now those ridiculous zab vs shane rumours and proposals can be put to bed

[kosaros]

yep its official for dec 26th in LA

get in there my son

now those ridiculous zab vs shane rumours and proposals can be put to bed

:party

Now on boxing day I will be playing with all the toys Santa brings me and eating Cadbury's Celebrations whilst watching some top boxing.

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:party

Now on boxing day I will be playing with all the toys Santa brings me and eating Cadbury's Celebrations whilst watching some top boxing.

:lol: I just noticed that, i'm surprised there ain't more boxing cards on boxing day, they could've turned it into a tradition where people new it as a day to go watch some boxing.

I think Shane maybe knew that Clottey may give him problems and even though he may not win the fight, he'll make Shane look bad thus Mayweather/Pac can have a cop out of fighting him. I think he wanted Zab to look good against.

[gasman]

yep its official for dec 26th in LA

get in there my son

now those ridiculous zab vs shane rumours and proposals can be put to bed

FFS I was on the West Coast last Christmas, I only missed the De La Hoya-Pac fight because I had already booked in to run the Tucsan marathan. This Christmas I decided to do Florida as I figured no chance that there will be any boxing in Vegas from the 18th Dec onwards!!!

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I tend to believe he did have an injury in the Marg fight...was it not the 4th or 5th he hurt his hand??

Anyway the Marg fight is not relevant to the point i was originally making as in the Cotto fight he genuinely thought he was winning the fight.

I honestly believe he will have learnt lessons from the Cotto bout.

you still aint learnt with Clottey lol Clottey will never win a fight against a offensive minded fighter (especially one with speed like Shane) people are bringing up Winky but He fights NOTHING like Winky other then the earmuff stance. Winky works all day behind his non stop jab followed by right hands. Clottey is a "waiter" he waits to punch off counters. I got Shane in a "ugly" but fair win. Shane will look bad at times but all he's gotta do is keep his hands moving and the judges will be good with that.

[dan-b]

yep its official for dec 26th in LA

get in there my son

now those ridiculous zab vs shane rumours and proposals can be put to bed

Brilliant, this is a proper fight. That classless little punk Zab can go pick up his chump change on ESPN instead.

[Little Tyson]

Mosley takes this for me on the cards. Clottey showed a great performance against Cotto, but when the pressure was needed to be put on he didnt press. I had Clottey winning by one round i think it was, but still could have made a case easily for Cotto winning. I think it also depends what Mosley steps in the ring, the Mosley that fought Mayorga i think Clottey would beat. Although coming off his crushing win against Margarito, Shane still has it.

[dan-b]

Mosley takes this for me on the cards. Clottey showed a great performance against Cotto, but when the pressure was needed to be put on he didnt press. I had Clottey winning by one round i think it was, but still could have made a case easily for Cotto winning. I think it also depends what Mosley steps in the ring, the Mosley that fought Mayorga i think Clottey would beat. Although coming off his crushing win against Margarito, Shane still has it.

The Mosley that fought Mayorga was at 154 where he's not as effective. Mosley is capable of stopping Clottey in my opinion, I don't see Clottey having any answer for his hand speed.