If you were gonna make up a gang of ATG's to get into a gang war, who would u pick?

[Bill1234]

Me, I would want Foreman, Shavers (not an ATG, but still would be extremely useful), Duran, Holmes (great at jumping off of cars and kicking people in the face), Marciano, Liston, Tyson, Saddler, Armstrong, Hagler, and Harry Greb. IMO no one would mess with us on the streets.

[Marnoff]

One man with a gun win the fight, but alright.

[Vantage_West]

One man with a gun win the fight, but alright.yea but that means you can only stop 6 men...who do you choose:think

[Executioner]

Foreman, Liston, Hopkins, Duran

[Bill1234]

One man with a gun win the fight, but alright.

No guns, just fists.

[jhar26]

Dempsey, Duran, Jeffries, Gatti, Tyson, Gomez, Foreman, Pacquiao, Marciano, LaMotta, Liston, Barkley, Frazier

[Duodenum]

HW ATG's: Dempsey, Marciano, Liston, Jeffries, Sullivan, Foreman (George wanted Tyson), Holmes (Larry wanted George), Jack Johnson. (Battle royale background. 'Nuff said.)

Other ATG's: Duran, Greb, Walker, Jeff Chandler (while Bantamweight Champion in 1982, he actually did hold off several attackers during a traffic altercation, until one of them resorted to stabbing him in the shoulder with a broken bottle, leaving a distinctive scar. This construction worker is one tough little guy). LaMotta. (Mean, mean, mean.) Basilio. Jack Blackburn (Survived his brother's slashing of his throat, then shot and killed a man. Carried a knife scar on his face.) Gans. (Another battle royale veteran.) Camacho. (Never lost a street fight. Dirty antagonist.) Fitzsimmons. (Actually went after Wyatt Earp, after Earp disqualified Bob against Tom Sharkey in 1896. Earp wisely drew a gun. You know, if referees carried guns today, boxers wouldn't ignore them so much. Perhaps mace would be a more suitable alternative.)

[Longhhorn71]

Duran is a great choice.....he shows up on both posted lists.

Remember, he once cold-cocked a horse....good for use on the
NYC mounted police if they try to intervene.

[Duodenum]

Mickey Ward (I know, not an ATG but an all-time tough guy), Billy Conn, Jerry Quarry - not an ATG either but a darn good fighter.If I was going to include all-time tough guys who were not ATGs, I would have selected Tex Cobb, Mustafa Hamsho, and Vito Antuofermo.

One ATG I omitted from my initial list was Victor Galindez, a steel chinned competitor who wasn't fazed by the sight of his own blood.

[Stonehands89]

Liston and Foreman with Greb between them would take the center.

Duran and Ketchel on the flanks.

Iran Barkley was a Black Spade from the Bronx. No one beats that kind of experience. Throw him in there -as well as Jack Dempsey who had about a 100 hobo fights.

I'd stand watching just out of reach of the blood splatters with a cigar.

[cross_trainer]

Bat Masterson, Wyatt Earp, Billy the Kid, and Wild Bill Hickock.

[Duodenum]

Tex Cobb, Hamsho, Antuofermo, Galindez - GREAT choices! Heck, I sure would not want to piss them off. A guy I used to know from Philly was drinking with Tex Cobb in a bar there one time years ago. He was in stitches. Cobb should have been a stand up comic. This guy said he never had more fun in his entirte life listening to Tex's stories. He was hilarious. His comedic timing was impeccable.Yeah, I couldn't believe it when Tex tried to rob Al Bundy, and Bundy decked him! (Course then he sued Al for taking away his livelihood-the ability to burglarize homes.)

[My dinner with Conteh]

Me, I would want Foreman, Shavers (not an ATG, but still would be extremely useful), Duran, Holmes (great at jumping off of cars and kicking people in the face), Marciano, Liston, Tyson, Saddler, Armstrong, Hagler, and Harry Greb. IMO no one would mess with us on the streets.


I don't know whether I'd have Larry, you never know, Greg Page or Pinklon Thomas might be members of the rival gang. :p

[Sizzle]

I don't know whether I'd have Larry, you never know, Greg Page or Pinklon Thomas might be members of the rival gang. :p

If Nick Wells was in a rival gang he'd stomp Larry's head into the pavement!:rofl

[Duodenum]

I don't know whether I'd have Larry, you never know, Greg Page or Pinklon Thomas might be members of the rival gang. :pWow! Page vs Holmes! Mallard vs Dirigible! That settles it. If having Crazy Larry on my side causes Goodyear and Needles to forget about everybody else in my gang, it's a worthwhile selection.

[Longhhorn71]

When Tex Cobb was actively boxing...he had the cartilage remove from his nose so he wouldn't have so many broken noses. His doctor froze it to be re-inserted at a later date.

He attended Abilene Christian College in Texas, then something must have gone seriously wrong.

[dr greenthumb]

liston tyson forman jeffries shavers them 5 could take a 20 man firm

[Minotauro]

Chavez he could take a baseball bat to the face and keep coming.
Oliveras people will think he's weak cause he's small but one punch and there out.
Liston was the most intimidating heavyweight and had crazy power.
Ron Lyle did time for murder he is one crazy mofo plus hits like a truck.
Fritzie Zivic the guy would literally gouge your eyes out.

[Duodenum]

When Tex Cobb was actively boxing...he had the cartilage remove from his nose so he wouldn't have so many broken noses. His doctor froze it to be re-inserted at a later date.

He attended Abilene Christian College in Texas, then something must have gone seriously wrong.All truly dedicated professionals should have this done.

I just saw a rerun of Bruce Lee's "Enter the Dragon" on AMC the other day. He was asking John Saxon's character how to break out of a particularly troublesome hold. Hopelessly stumped, he was given the correct answer, "You bite him!" Later, in a deadly tournament, he did. That refreshes my perspective to recruit Tyson and Golota for my gang.

[janitor]

I think John L might be a good candidate.

[pryorgatti]

The Hawk Pryor, Tyson, Tua, Ibeabuchi, Holyfield

[JohnBKelly]

Chuvalo, Cobb, La Motta, Archie Moore, Sullivan, Foreman, Dempsey would provide the necessary mixture of power and durability. This team wouldn't run away from anybody.

[Pat_Lowe]

A P4P list (not just including heavyweights) would include for me

Iran Barkley
Diego Corrales
Johnny Tapia
Bernard Hopkins
Roberto Duran
Hector Camacho

The first 4 were known to roll with a gang in their younger years (I think Hopkins did), they would surely know some boys. Duran has a reputation as a youngster for being in numerous streetfights and being undefeated, anbd Camacho also has a reputation as a good street fighter.

If I had to include heavyweights, fighters like George Foreman, Sonny Liston, Jack Dempsey, Lennox Lewis etc etc Would make the list.
Anyone else heard about the altercation between Lewis and that sprinter at the olympics, I think it was Johnson? Johnson wouldn't have done shit

[JohnThomas1]

Liston and Foreman with Greb between them would take the center.

Duran and Ketchel on the flanks.

Iran Barkley was a Black Spade from the Bronx. No one beats that kind of experience. Throw him in there -as well as Jack Dempsey who had about a 100 hobo fights.

I'd stand watching just out of reach of the blood splatters with a cigar.

I think you'd be pretty safe with that lot hahaha

[JohnThomas1]

When Tex Cobb was actively boxing...he had the cartilage remove from his nose so he wouldn't have so many broken noses. His doctor froze it to be re-inserted at a later date.

He attended Abilene Christian College in Texas, then something must have gone seriously wrong.

That's reminding me strongly of the Marilyn Manson rumour hahaha

[Muchmoore]

Mitch Green, Ricardo Mayorga, Sonny Liston, and Jake Lamotta.

[mr. magoo]

I wouldn't pick any of them. Prize fighting and street fighting are two totally different animals...

[Mantequilla]

I wouldn't pick any of them. Prize fighting and street fighting are two totally different animals...

Exactly.

A group of scum more interested in blindsiding and stabbing/shooting people to death would probably serve you better than some random boxers.

[Cobra33]

Primo Carena
Max Baer
Tony Galento
Sonny Liston
Joe Frazier
Mike Tyson
Rubin Carter
Roberto Duran
Ricardo Mayorga
Jess Willard
Jack Dempsey
JOe Walcott-Barbados Demon
Archie Moore-The brains of the outfit

[Raggamuffin]

Michael Moorer at 175
"El Torito" Tony Ayala
Duran off course
"The Toy Bulldog"Mickey Walker
Mike Tyson

[Titan1]

Mitch Green, Iran Barkely, Michael Dokes, Marvin Hagler, Sonny Liston, George Foreman, Aaron Pryor, and Roberto Duran.

[Duodenum]

I wouldn't pick any of them. Prize fighting and street fighting are two totally different animals...Yes, and much of boxing's allure stems from the question of which ATG's would be adept at both. Most competitive prize fighters who are great on the street are not ATGs in the ring, and vice-versa. Which ATG's do you think might make the grade?

[garymcfall]

Sonny Liston
George Foreman
Mike Tyson
Roberto Duran
Jake La Motta
Joe Frazier
Valuev (just to stand at the back and look scary cos of his size)

[McGrain]

I'd have Bernard Hopkins as my number two.

Duran would be Sergeant Rock.

Footsoldiers: Jeffries, Liston, Dempsey, Monzon, Walker, Greb, Ketchel, Shorty Hogue, Jake LaMotta, Ike Ibeabuchi, Ted Kid Lewis, Rocky Graziano, Victor Galindez.


Come get some.

[heerko koois]

tyson , Frazier , Foreman, Marciano , bruno , .........

[Bill1234]

Valuev (just to stand at the back and look scary cos of his size)

:lol:

[mr. magoo]

Yes, and much of boxing's allure stems from the question of which ATG's would be adept at both. Most competitive prize fighters who are great on the street are not ATGs in the ring, and vice-versa. Which ATG's do you think might make the grade?

A similar thread was started on this subject a few months back. I responded by sharing some stories, about a fighter who was not an all time great, but was reputed to be a rather dangerous individual.

Years ago, I had family that lived in Florida, mainly on the east coast. I would visit them at least once a year, usually in January, to escape the Chicago winters. I developed a friendship with a guy down there who was a realestate broker, and big time boxing fan. At one point he sparred with John Mugabi, but that's another story. This was around 1990, when we watched Tim Witherspoon clobber a veteran fighter named Jeff Sims. Sims had spent some time in prison and was known for being a nut case. My friend said that Sims lived in the Belglade area, which is located toward the central region of Florida. My friend was visiting Belglade on business one time, during the 80's, when he went to a local nightclub where Sims was hanging out. Apparently, Sims got into a scuffle with some locals, and wound up messing one of them up pretty badly. When the police arrived, it took several officers to get him into a squad car.

I looked at Sim's profile on BoxRec. He died around 1993, at the age of about 39. I don't know what led to his demise, but I can only assume that it was related to his rather troublesome lifestyle.

[heerko koois]

A similar thread was started on this subject a few months back. I responded by sharing some stories, about a fighter who was not an all time great, but was reputed to be a rather dangerous individual.

Years ago, I had family that lived in Florida, mainly on the east coast. I would visit them at least once a year, usually in January, to escape the Chicago winters. I developed a friendship with a guy down there who was a realestate broker, and big time boxing fan. At one point he sparred with John Mugabi, but that's another story. This was around 1990, when we watched Tim Witherspoon clobber a veteran fighter named Jeff Sims. Sims had spent some time in prison and was known for being a nut case. My friend said that Sims lived in the Belglade area, which is located toward the central region of Florida. My friend was visiting Belglade on business one time, during the 80's, when he went to a local nightclub where Sims was hanging out. Apparently, Sims got into a scuffle with some locals, and wound up messing one of them up pretty badly. When the police arrived, it took several officers to get him into a squad car.

I looked at Sim's profile on BoxRec. He died around 1993, at the age of about 39. I don't know what led to his demise, but I can only assume that it was related to his rather troublesome lifestyle.

There is a story about him in a book called "frank bruno,s scrap book"
Sims did spar with bruno and lots of others ...i heard that he died of a od ..........

[Duodenum]

A similar thread was started on this subject a few months back. I responded by sharing some stories, about a fighter who was not an all time great, but was reputed to be a rather dangerous individual.Hmmmm..are you referring to whom I think you are?Jeff Sims. Sims had spent some time in prison and was known for being a nut case. My friend said that Sims lived in the Belglade area, which is located toward the central region of Florida. My friend was visiting Belglade on business one time, during the 80's, when he went to a local nightclub where Sims was hanging out. Apparently, Sims got into a scuffle with some locals, and wound up messing one of them up pretty badly. When the police arrived, it took several officers to get him into a squad car.

I looked at Sim's profile on BoxRec. He died around 1993, at the age of about 39. I don't know what led to his demise, but I can only assume that it was related to his rather troublesome lifestyle.Suspicion confirmed! I remember when Sims was an undefeated prospect. After kayoing Prater, he was rumoured to be the second coming of Sonny Liston. It was against Sims that Tyrell Biggs later made his name in the professional ranks, courageously prevailing despite a broken collarbone. In some unfortunate ways, Sims may truly have been Liston's shadow.

[Raggamuffin]

Didn't he spar with Ali when he was getting ready to fight Foreman ?

[mr. magoo]

Didn't he spar with Ali when he was getting ready to fight Foreman ?

I think I remember hearing that he sparred with Ali briefly. I'm not sure about Foreman though. Sims also had losses to Shavers, young, Biggs, Ribalta, Witherspoon and Boncrusher. Outside of losing to good fighters, I don't think Sims ever did much else. He had a dangerous punch, but poor stamina. He wasn't the most talented or skilled prize fighter either from what I recall. Apparently however, he was not one to be messed with in a street fight or bar brawl.

[Luigi1985]

Zab Judah
PBF
Hector Camacho
SRL
Emile Griffith


aka "The Village People"

[Titan1]

Zab Judah
PBF
Hector Camacho
SRL
Emile Griffith


aka "The Village People"

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

[Duodenum]

Zab Judah
PBF
Hector Camacho
SRL
Emile Griffith


aka "The Village People"Maybe you should include Jorge Paez, and Maxie Rosenbloom.

[mr. magoo]

I just found an article on Jeff Sims off of another site. Apparently, Sims was shot and killed in a gunfight in 1993.

Years earlier, Sims Learned how to box, while serving time in prison for manslaughter. At one point, he was a sparring partner fo Gerry Cooney and Muhammad Ali. he made headlines once for spliting Ali's lip in sparring.

[JIm Broughton]

Dempsey, Liston, Frazier, Marciano, Tyson. These guys could bring it in a street fight and they were nasty SOB,s as well.

[Longhhorn71]

Randall “Tex” Cobb, a former kickboxer and football player at Abilene Christian, once was suspended from the team when the coach saw him, clad only in jockstrap, standing on a dormitory roof. He had an English crossbow and was shooting flaming arrows at another dorm, screaming: “Get ready to die.”

[Raggamuffin]

I think I remember hearing that he sparred with Ali briefly. I'm not sure about Foreman though. Sims also had losses to Shavers, young, Biggs, Ribalta, Witherspoon and Boncrusher. Outside of losing to good fighters, I don't think Sims ever did much else. He had a dangerous punch, but poor stamina. He wasn't the most talented or skilled prize fighter either from what I recall. Apparently however, he was not one to be messed with in a street fight or bar brawl.

Ali used Simsm as a sparring partner to mimic Foreman.
Sims didn't fight Big George

[Titan1]

Zab Judah
PBF
Hector Camacho
SRL
Emile Griffith


aka "The Village People"

I'm assuming that Hector is Felipe and PBF is the army guy.

[guilalah]

How about LtHvywt Paul Berlenach? He was an AAU and Olympic wrestling champion before becoming a LtHvywt boxing champion.