Palle: Calzaghe - Kessler is 95% certain now.

[Korn_06]

According to Palle the fight will probably be in GB somewhere. [Only registered and activated users can see links]

[tills9191]

hope the slapper gets his ass whooped..with damn good too..

[Decebal]

why not 100% certain? Or at least 99%?...:roll:

when you say 99% it means it's just little details that have to be sorted out...when you say 95%...it more than that, right?

[Imperial1]

95 % is to high considering Calzaghe has yet to postpone :lol: due to injury

[bill poster]

I thought the fight was to be in Kesslers backyard-there I am thinking JC has done a psycho job on Kessler by going there
I have to say JC should prove to the fans that he can fight somewhere else other than GB. He won't be an time great in the fans eyes until he wins in the states

[Max Molyneux]

Calzaghe will be WBC, WBA and WBO by the end of this year!

[dangerousity]

I thought the fight was to be in Kesslers backyard-there I am thinking JC has done a psycho job on Kessler by going there
I have to say JC should prove to the fans that he can fight somewhere else other than GB. He won't be an time great in the fans eyes until he wins in the states

Why? What does that matter? Do we hold the US fighters to the same standards?

[Max Molyneux]

He won't be an time great in the fans eyes until he wins in the states

Why does ground matter when the states has no good fighters for Joe at the moment except Dawson?

[Mon43]

Why? What does that matter? Do we hold the US fighters to the same standards?

That is crazy talk, US fighters are naturally superior, everyone knows that, have a lie down before questioning that fact again.

[Decebal]

Calzaghe will be WBC, WBA and WBO by the end of this year!

he could be IBO champion by early 2008 too if he fights Bute, though I doubt it...

[Amsterdam]

he could be IBO champion by early 2008 too if he fights Bute, though I doubt it...

I'd hope you would consider a victory over Kessler to be superior... that being said, Calzaghe was considering fighting Inkin before Palle got "into" the negotiations. If he considered Inkin, then maybe Bute is not such a long shot when Bute will have the last belt for the "full" undisputed garner for Joe.

This would be his 21st defence if he won.

Bute vs. Calzaghe would be an entertaining bout, but Bute has very little chance for victory in my opinion.

[Fat Tony]

He won't be an time great in the fans eyes until he wins in the states

Why should he fight in the states?
Did you realize how many Mexicans/Americans showed up yesterday to watch one of their superstars: only 3000-4000!
Just realize: the focus has shifted towards Europe.

[bill poster]

I always rated Nigel Benn because he went to the States and beat the best the the USA had to offer.
But maybe you are right- are there any US fighters good enough?

[Decebal]

I'd hope you would consider a victory over Kessler to be superior... that being said, Calzaghe was considering fighting Inkin before Palle got "into" the negotiations. If he considered Inkin, then maybe Bute is not such a long shot when Bute will have the last belt for the "full" undisputed garner for Joe.

This would be his 21st defence if he won.

Bute vs. Calzaghe would be an entertaining bout, but Bute has very little chance for victory in my opinion.

Bute's first defence against Calzaghe...what could be greater than that! Bute could become undisputed champion of the world...no * and footnotes needed here at all!

[Fat Tony]

I always rated Nigel Benn because he went to the States and beat the best the the USA had to offer.
But maybe you are right- are there any US fighters good enough?

Dawson! But how many Americans would attend Dawson-Calzaghe? 1000 or 2000?
Of course, Calzaghe should have fought in the states before. But it doesn't make any sense now.

I am a big Kessler fan, but the fight Kessler-Calzaghe MUST be held in Britain. It'll generate a much larger crowd, more money, a better show etc.

[Faetter_BR]

Calzaghe will be WBC, WBA and WBO by the end of this year!

Oh so he is moving up or down in weight I asume :D

[Faetter_BR]

Dawson! But how many Americans would attend Dawson-Calzaghe? 1000 or 2000?
Of course, Calzaghe should have fought in the states before. But it doesn't make any sense now.

I am a big Kessler fan, but the fight Kessler-Calzaghe MUST be held in Britain. It'll generate a much larger crowd, more money, a better show etc.

As for Dawson - who the h*ll died and made him a star??? - Only thing reason Dawson is even mentioned is because he is american. His record is close to crap - he has one win - over the pretty overrated Adamek - that's it! Let him prove himself before mentioning him along side a champ like Calzaghe.

As for the location of the fight - we agree - although it's close to legacy suicide for Calzaghe. If he beats Kessler, then he is still "stay at home Joe" to many.

Boy are some of the posters here going to look like fools if this comes through and Kessler fights in the UK for 5M $ :smoke

[boxfan99]

Bute's first defence against Calzaghe...what could be greater than that! Bute could become undisputed champion of the world...no * and footnotes needed here at all!

No, because Calzaghe won't have any titles to lose.:yep

[brooklyn1550]

Great news! Calzaghe by UD

[pipe wrenched]

For the love of all things holy please let this fight become a reality. :good

[Boom_Boom]

Wlad= not USA
Vitali = Not USA
Calzaghe= not USA
Kessler= not USA
Bute = not USA
Hatton= not USA
Castillo=not USA
Corrales= not USA
Oscar D = not USA
Froch = not USa
Peter = not USA
Lennox lewis = not USA
I could go on, but it will take 2 days:roll:

Corrales is USA buddy

and you took the guy's bait im pretty sure he was being sarcastic, and Froch is such a homer pick, albeit you're from UK

[PeterNielsen70]

Hope you're not going to be one of those faggots who dissapears for six months then comes back, perpetuating the "Calzaghe is shit" crap when he whips Kesslers ass.

In the last two years Calzaghe has only been able to stop reality-star Manfredo. Sakio Bika, Jeff Lacy and Evans Ashira all went the full distance. Ok some with a little more trouble than the other.:lol:
But I can’t see Calzaghe stopping Kessler – so it must go to the scorecards?! I'll say Kessler by UD or Kessler by late stoppage. :deal

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[Decebal]

No, because Calzaghe won't have any titles to lose.:yep

and even if he did, Bute would be unlikely to win them:-(

[Faetter_BR]

What we're seeing is Palle over-estimating the market for his own fighter, making a bid that he couldn't guarantee and now asking for the fight to be held in Britain where he at least knows he's got 40k of Calzaghes fans there.

Like I've been saying all along, Kessler isn't a strong seller... Denmark fans pay fuckall for their tickets.

If the fight is to be in the UK, then Kessler will get 5M $ - that a pretty good price if you ask me.

As for backing up his 5M offer - there was no problems at all doing that - Palm (not Palle) had garanteed the amount - and he is more than good for it. As for selling tickets - Kessler got 20.000 to pay when he was facing Andrade with a shitty undercard - Calzaghe has only once drawn more than that - and I'm very sure Kessler-Calzaghe would have filled the "Parken" (40.000).

Will you be eating some crow - if the final deal will be that Kessler gets a 5M purse??? - or do your usual thing when proven wrong - and just ignore it...

As when I pointed out that Kessler is Calzaghe's only liable option atm - hence the big paycheck for Kessler.

[Faetter_BR]

Hope you're not going to be one of those faggots who dissapears for six months then comes back, perpetuating the "Calzaghe is shit" crap when he whips Kesslers ass.

Don't worry - we have Larsen back - so should Kessler lose, then Calzaghe will be ducking Larsen :hey

[boxfan99]

In the last two years Calzaghe has only been able to stop reality-star Manfredo. Sakio Bika, Jeff Lacy and Evans Ashira all went the full distance. Ok some with a little more trouble than the other.:lol:
But I can’t see Calzaghe stopping Kessler – so it must go to the scorecards?! I'll say Kessler by UD or Kessler by late stoppage. :deal

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I see that you are new so I'll give you an advice, ignore Blocky, he is simply a waste of your time. If you stay on the board you'll soon realise this yourself.

[boxfan99]

and even if he did, Bute would be unlikely to win them:-(

I'm afraid you are right about that.:-(

[Decebal]

I'm afraid you are right about that.:-(

:-( i'd still want to see Bute go for it...and so would he - even though he doesn't overestimate himself nor does he underestimate Calzaghe and Kessler either, and still...!:happy

[boxfan99]

Don't worry - we have Larsen back - so should Kessler lose, then Calzaghe will be ducking Larsen :hey

Are you really wasting your time responding to Blocky?:huh

[boxfan99]

:-( i'd still want to see Bute go for it...and so would he - even though he doesn't overestimate himself nor does he underestimate Calzaghe and Kessler either, and still...!:happy

He'll gain a lot of respect for taking such a fight no matter the outcome.:good

[Decebal]

He'll gain a lot of respect for taking such a fight no matter the outcome.:good

Indeed...if he doesn't fight the best, I'll drop him like a hot potato...he'll never be Mike Tyson, he'll never be p4p top 5, so he should show heart and character and dare to be the best he can, if he wants to make a mark...

[Faetter_BR]

From what I'm hearing from Mr Marley - Kessler's 5.5 million dollar offer to Joe didn't make mathematical sense, they weren't going to get the dollars for it.

As I understand, It will now be a co-promoted fight, the major reason that they're choosing the UK is because they'll get 40k plus fans - all paying good money - where as Denmark the ticket prices wouldn't sell for half what they'll be in Wales or England

If Kessler gets $5 million - it's due to the fight selling more than I expect it too - I see the entire night gaining about 12 million in revenue... take $1 mil away for stadium hire, $1 mil away for promotions and $3 mil away for undercard - left with $8 mil. Give Calzaghe his 5.5 mil share and that leaves Kessler holding 2.5 mil with TV rights for Scandinavia.

So roughly $3 mil - the offer that he refused not so long ago.

Irony, huh?

yep that would be Irony - especially when Palm was willing to stage it in Denmark.

As for your math - 3M$ for the undercard - who do you plan having on that? Hatton?

[Faetter_BR]

Enzo Mac vs Whoever - $1.2 mil total purse at least
Amir Khan vs Whoever - $800k total purse at least
Whoever vs Whoever - $500k
Whoever vs Whoever - $500k

Considering that Calzaghe didn't make +1M before Veit II - I think your estimates are too high.

[Faetter_BR]

My prediction regarding the Andrade fight? I said Andrade was a bum who didn't deserve a shot, was utterly unproven and Kessler should beat him convincingly

As for "taking 1.75 million" - which was a $3 million deal when you took everything into account - it doesn't seem like Kessler's going to get anything more than that.

As for Calzaghe, a southpaw with a high lead left, faster feet and handspeed than Kessler not being hit by the Kessler jab - watch it eventuate, Veit who had more reach and just as much speed in his jab as Kessler didn't land it more than 5 times a round.

5 jabs a round won't win the fight.

If you're going to make shit up about my predictions, at least do your research you fucking bum

well the Andrade prediction was pretty much a give away

As for the rest - time will tell.

Although I remember you claiming Calzaghe had several and better options... doesn't seem that way atm

[Faetter_BR]

Not when you consider the following things

A: Enzo Mac is a champion.
B: Amir Khan is a selling point
C: The amount of fans at the stadium means that their share of the income will be higher than usual.

Enzo Mac vs Whoever - 60/40 split - Enzo is taking around 700k USD
Amir Khan vs Whoever - 70/30 split - Amir will take 550k

That isn't "huge" when you consider they're fighting infront of 40k+ fans.

You also have to remember there is no Casino under-writing a part of the fight to have it in their Casino - so not only do Kessler/Calzaghe miss out on that funding, they're having to pay for venue

You also have to remember that HBO has per fight deals with both fighters, they won't be paying anything more.

So it comes down to Calzaghe's contract with his TV broadcaster, HBO and sponsors - as well as Kesslers contract with his TV broadcaster, HBO and sponsors.

Not as much money in this fight as you expected - as you so often like to state "Before Veit II, Calzaghe had never made a million" - right, and instantly a fight is going to be available for both fighters to make in the realm of $5 mil a piece?

Do you have developmental delays?

Well I can see you're having more than just developmental delays...

No way Enzo got 700K on say the Manfredo-undercard for figthing a crap fighter like he did. Champion or not.

Khan can sell tickets - but isn't needed for this fight - and if he getting that kind of money this early, then Calzaghe should feel cheated as hell - he hardly got that versus Lacy...

I'm not aware of ****** using spectatorrelated pay for his boxer at that level - undercardboxers get a fixed pay - not a pay depending on the number of tickets sold.

The undercard this time around doesn't mater - it did when the opponent was crap!

[Faetter_BR]

Further to this - say you're a guy who doesn't know much about boxing (not a big stretch to imagine this) - you have two options

A: Go to a championship match
B: Go to two championship matches and an olympic gold medalist on the card.

If you're the casual fan who doesn't really know the fighters, which is going to seem better to you?

Making money in boxing isn't about the hardcore fans - it's about the casual fans.

Kessler drew 20.000 spectators in Copenhagen with a crappy undercard. Furthermore people don't get paid that much to fight on a undercard because they have plenty to gain. How much do you think Calzaghe got for fighting on the Nielsen-Tyson undercard in Copenhagen? - nothing much - he fought on the card to get US-airtime - that was his "salory"

I don't doubt that Enzo and Khan are paid pretty well - but my guess would be that they earn around 100-150K pr fight, when fighting on a undercard and mayby up towards 400k on a main card.

btw who won olympic gold of those three???

Calzaghe-Kessler would be the fight of the century in Europe - it doesn't need a good undercard to sell tickets.

[Faetter_BR]

Sorry, Olympic Silver - always mix up Amir Khan as having the gold.

Kessler drew 20k spectators in Copenhagen - how much did they pay per ticket..?

Calzaghe drew 23k to watch him fight Bika - he drew 35k (paying more per ticket) against Manfredo...

You don't have a boxing card with just one fight - so short of finding a bunch of bums to find on the undercard, ****** does like most promoters do - he ensures other fighters in his stable get airtime on TV and become further marketable

The problem is when he's raising a guy like Amir Khan who will be getting counter offers from rival promoters - as well as a champion like Enzo Mac who is trained and managed by Enzo Calzaghe - he's not getting them as cheaply as you normally would an undercard fighter.

Amir Khan is already quite a wealthy boxer, despite never fighting a live opponent - the reason being that he's been promoted on big cards just like this.

Maybe my estimate of $3mil for the undercard is out but it won't be too far out.. you can bet between them - the fights for Enzo Mac and Amir Khan will cost 2 mil total purse.

I don't know what you're making but 100-150K pr fight with 3-4 fights a year is a decent earning to me.

Of there has to be a undercard - but it doesn't have to be exspensive - not 3M that's for sure.

As for the ticketprices for Kessler - They ranged from 50$ to 1000$ (ringside) - average price around 120-150$. Then there are sales - which brings it up around 5M$ just in gates/sales - that's with a undercard which proberbly cost: 200K - and that's putting it high!