Chavez vs Duran @ 135 and 140

[ricardoparker93]

15 rounds, two great fighters at their peak weights. How do you guys see it playing out?

I feel that they are q similar fighters, both come fowrward brawler types but with a great deal more intelligence than is at first apparent.

However Chavez IMO is just the poorer mans version, although i think he goes the distance in a bruising battle.

[Robbi]

Duran on points at 135 and 140. His free flowing punching, elasticated style, with better defense and boxing ability edges it for him.

[Bad_Intentions]

This would definitley be a WAR.

Both love coming forward, but Duran is more crazier and wilder than Chavez.

I would give this fight to Duran by UD.

[ricardoparker93]

shit i ment to put duran at 135 and chavez at 140. my bad

[AlFrancis]

For me this is "the" dream fight. Two of the most complete fighters at their peaks of the last 40 years. If anyone can stay with Duran on the inside it is Chavez. I see them testing each other, engaging and maybe one of them backing down. Both of them capable of causing maximum damage and yet both of them adept at slipping and riding the big shots. The tempo would change back and forth as both fighters look for the advantage.
Very hard to pick as it's hard to see either fighter being dominated.
I'm gonna go for Duran on a split decision if he doesn't break Julio's heart. I wouldn't bet the house on it though.

[Robbi]

shit i ment to put duran at 135 and chavez at 140. my bad

Why Duran at 135 and Chavez at 140?

[AlFrancis]

Why put 4 choices in the poll then?

[ripcity]

Duran wins at both weights. Could be interesting at 135 but Duran easy at 140.

[Mantequilla]

I've never thought chavez matched up well with Roberto.I think he'd be doing very well if he was able to make it as competitive as the second and third Dejesus' fights even.

[HellSpawn86]

Duran is a little bit overrated on this forum and will def. win the poll more because of his popularity. I think it's funny that people speak of both fighters as being the same style, seems they haven't seen either fighter. Duran was more like an aggressive mid-range boxer-puncher while Chavez was the stalker/inside/counter-puncher. Duran was definitely wilder and Chavez placed his shots better. I think Chavez was a little better at slipping punches and he definitely has the chin to come forward and impose his will on Manos de Piedra.

Chavez by split decision!

[laxpdx]

Duran by UD at both. Would be a war, but Duran is superior defensively.

[WhataRock]

Roberto is just the better all round fighter...but with a doubt Julio pushes him as hard as anyone in history.

Duran by a couple of points at both weights.

[WhataRock]

Duran by UD at both. Would be a war, but Duran is superior defensively.


You sure you didnt mean a late KO there lax? :lol:

Just playing :D

[laxpdx]

You sure you didnt mean a late KO there lax? :lol:

Just playing :D

Wouldn't rule it out....

[PbP Bacon]

Duran by UD at any weight

JCC is a great fighter, but Duran has just a little bit more of everything

[laxpdx]

Duran by UD at any weight

JCC is a great fighter, but Duran has just a little bit more of everything

In a nutshell.

[Robbi]

Duran is a little bit overrated on this forum and will def. win the poll more because of his popularity. I think it's funny that people speak of both fighters as being the same style, seems they haven't seen either fighter. Duran was more like an aggressive mid-range boxer-puncher while Chavez was the stalker/inside/counter-puncher. Duran was definitely wilder and Chavez placed his shots better. I think Chavez was a little better at slipping punches and he definitely has the chin to come forward and impose his will on Manos de Piedra.

Chavez by split decision!

Chavez was better at slipping punches than Duran? No way.

[ricardoparker93]

Chavez was better at slipping punches than Duran? No way.

Yeah if you were to break down all their attributes then I doubt chavez would outstrip him at much. Duran was the harder puncher but I do think that Chavez threw more.

[Flea Man]

Not a good matchup for Chavez. Duran does everything better and then some. Wide points at 135 or 140, and you're talking to a Chavez nuthugger here.

[ricardoparker93]

Not a good matchup for Chavez. Duran does everything better and then some. Wide points at 135 or 140, and you're talking to a Chavez nuthugger here.

I think thats harsh personally. Chavez AND Duran had trouble with slick boxers who moved Benitez, Leonard, Taylor, Whitaker.

When Chavez went into a phonebooth against Rosario the effects were pretty devastating, so to say Duran does everything much better is exagerating IMO. Chavez was a precise power puncher with an ATG chin and stamina.

Duran has the edge in power and defence, and is the better outside fighter. But would Duran be able to resist going toe to toe with Chavez? Duran was put down twice by de jesus so lets not pretend he is invincible. However he went on to beat the living crap out of him.

If he goes toe to toe its a pick em, chavez has more compact punches IMO. However duran is the better rounded boxer and if he plays to that strength he takes it.

[Flea Man]

I think thats harsh personally. Chavez AND Duran had trouble with slick boxers who moved Benitez, Leonard, Taylor, Whitaker.

When Chavez went into a phonebooth against Rosario the effects were pretty devastating, so to say Duran does everything much better is exagerating IMO. Chavez was a precise power puncher with an ATG chin and stamina.

Duran has the edge in power and defence, and is the better outside fighter. But would Duran be able to resist going toe to toe with Chavez? Duran was put down twice by de jesus so lets not pretend he is invincible. However he went on to beat the living crap out of him.

If he goes toe to toe its a pick em, chavez has more compact punches IMO. However duran is the better rounded boxer and if he plays to that strength he takes it.

With all respect, it doesn't appear like you know much about Duran. he's better on the inside as well. How I being harsh? I'm being truthful, I'm sorry if my viewpoints don't support one of your favourites.

As previously noted I'm a massive Chavez fan; I'm also a realist. I think Duran at LW would've done the same thing to Rosario, but even more comprehensively.

Chavez-Top 30 P4P of all time.

Duran-No.2 on my list (which is POST-WAR and therefore does not take Langford, greb, Fitz etc etc into consideration)

[ricardoparker93]

With all respect, it doesn't appear like you know much about Duran. he's better on the inside as well. How I being harsh? I'm being truthful, I'm sorry if my viewpoints don't support one of your favourites.

As previously noted I'm a massive Chavez fan; I'm also a realist. I think Duran at LW would've done the same thing to Rosario, but even more comprehensively.

Chavez-Top 30 P4P of all time.

Duran-No.2 on my list (which is POST-WAR and therefore does not take Langford, greb, Fitz etc etc into consideration)

I'm not saying that Duran wouldnt have beaten the shit out of Rosario, but what i am saying is that the fight would have been cometitive is Duran chose to fight Chavez on the inside. If he uses his jab to break Chavez's rhythm and fights an all round fight then he defeats him 9 - 6 or 10 - 5

If he goes toe to toe though then he would have been tested to the limit.

Did Duran ever fight anyone as good as Chavez at lightweight?

[Flea Man]

I'm not saying that Duran wouldnt have beaten the shit out of Rosario, but what i am saying is that the fight would have been cometitive is Duran chose to fight Chavez on the inside. If he uses his jab to break Chavez's rhythm and fights an all round fight then he defeats him 9 - 6 or 10 - 5

If he goes toe to toe though then he would have been tested to the limit.

Did Duran ever fight anyone as good as Chavez at lightweight?

No, it wouldn't. Duran was a fantastic inside fighter in his own right. What you're saying is that the fight will only be competitive is Duran uses one aspect of his skillset. You're about right there.

Ken Buchanan was as good a LW IMO, if not a similar style to gauge with. Put it this way I think DeJesus would've given Chavez as tough a fight as he gave Duran, if not tougher. Regardless of the KD (watch them both, Duran is charging into DeJesus's punches and gets straight back up both times) this says nothing about Duran's chin.

For the record, Chavez lasts even less time with Hearns, even at 147 IMO. As you said Chavez had great stamina and ATG chin it's almost like you're saying Duran didn't either.

[ricardoparker93]

No, it wouldn't. Duran was a fantastic inside fighter in his own right. What you're saying is that the fight will only be competitive is Duran uses one aspect of his skillset. You're about right there.

Ken Buchanan was as good a LW IMO, if not a similar style to gauge with. Put it this way I think DeJesus would've given Chavez as tough a fight as he gave Duran, if not tougher. Regardless of the KD (watch them both, Duran is charging into DeJesus's punches and gets straight back up both times) this says nothing about Duran's chin.

For the record, Chavez lasts even less time with Hearns, even at 147 IMO. As you said Chavez had great stamina and ATG chin it's almost like you're saying Duran didn't either.

Well duran was a far better figher up at 147 and hearns is a terrible style match up for both of them.

And yes Duran had a great chin and stamina, but chavez's chin was crazy. He wasnt off his feet until the randall fight. However he wasnt fighting punchers like duran was of course.

If you take the Duran of the buchanan fight then yeah i think Rosario Chavez is very competitive. At that time Duran was a brawler and not the all round fighter he would later become. Whats your take on a fight between those two versions then?

[Flea Man]

Well duran was a far better figher up at 147 and hearns is a terrible style match up for both of them.

And yes Duran had a great chin and stamina, but chavez's chin was crazy. He wasnt off his feet until the randall fight. However he wasnt fighting punchers like duran was of course.

If you take the Duran of the buchanan fight then yeah i think Rosario Chavez is very competitive. At that time Duran was a brawler and not the all round fighter he would later become. Whats your take on a fight between those two versions then?

You're contradicting yourself.

Rosario was a puncher however. Bigger than DeJesus IMO.

I think the version of Duran that beat Buchanan would still beat Chavez. He threw as many punches and from better angles.

I also think you're selling Chavez's outside game short. He was capable of throwing mean shots from mid-range, his right hand ebing his best punch IMO

[ricardoparker93]

You're contradicting yourself.

Rosario was a puncher however. Bigger than DeJesus IMO.

I think the version of Duran that beat Buchanan would still beat Chavez. He threw as many punches and from better angles.

I also think you're selling Chavez's outside game short. He was capable of throwing mean shots from mid-range, his right hand ebing his best punch IMO

Im talking about duran losing by KO to Hearns. Chavez NEVER faced a puncher like Hearns and so he didnt have his chin tested to that extent. However he did take many flush shots from De la Hoya.

And yeah i would agree that Rosario hit harder than De jesus.

Personally I think it was after that first loss that Duran really started to develop all the aspects of his game. Before that he was ALOT wilder, and like you said that right hand of chavez was hard, sharp and precise.

[Flea Man]

Im talking about duran losing by KO to Hearns. Chavez NEVER faced a puncher like Hearns and so he didnt have his chin tested to that extent. However he did take many flush shots from De la Hoya.

And yeah i would agree that Rosario hit harder than De jesus.

Personally I think it was after that first loss that Duran really started to develop all the aspects of his game. Before that he was ALOT wilder, and like you said that right hand of chavez was hard, sharp and precise.

However, the first DeJesus fight was a ten rounder. Duran came on strong in the later rounds in both subsequent rematches.

Basically, we've gone off on a tangent now:lol:

Let's agree to disagree. :good

[fists of fury]

Great matchup, although I feel Duran wins both by decision. At 135 it's a tremendous, all-action fight with Duran always a bit ahead, at 140 it's a more comfortable decision for him.

[MrMarvel]

I pick Duran at both. He would have outslicked Chavez. It would have been a hell of a fight at either weight.

[PunchOut]

my dream fight

Chavez and Duran would give us the toughest War Ever Seen

[duranimal]

I think thats harsh personally. Chavez AND Duran had trouble with slick boxers who moved Benitez, Leonard, Taylor, Whitaker.

When Chavez went into a phonebooth against Rosario the effects were pretty devastating, so to say Duran does everything much better is exagerating IMO. Chavez was a precise power puncher with an ATG chin and stamina.

Duran has the edge in power and defence, and is the better outside fighter. But would Duran be able to resist going toe to toe with Chavez? Duran was put down twice by de jesus so lets not pretend he is invincible. However he went on to beat the living crap out of him.

If he goes toe to toe its a pick em, chavez has more compact punches IMO. However duran is the better rounded boxer and if he plays to that strength he takes it.

ABSOLUTE FUCKIN SHITE:bbb You u-tube gobbling fence sitting fuckin WANKER:yep I've just read all yer post's & all yer doing is hedging, you know fuck-all about Duran & if truth be known, what you DON'T know about boxing could know doubt fill a fuckin book.

TOE 2 TOE & Chavez morphs into Rosario, you mug, obviously you're incapable of digesting what other's here have said almost 2 a man, Duran would never allow Chavez too get into any sort of rythem, the 74 version would climb up Chavez's chest & spew down his throat, the 78 version has so many options too employ he'd be spoilt for choice & thats at 135, at 140 then it's more than a bad hair day for JJC with Duran smashing JJC too a standstill from 12 onwards for the TKO & if yer think otherwise go put yerself back into a drug induced coma:smoke

Oh & before you start yer bitchin & bleating i'am a massive Chavez fan as he's my 2nd all time fav:yep I'am proberbly the only fucker on here that actually flew over in march 1990 too watch the Chavez/Taylor 1 fight at the Hilton, 22 hours/3 stop trip going over & worth every agonising fuckin minute & you were proberbly still suckin yer mums tit/bed wetting or seeing how high yer could piss up a wall.

I'll even load up the On-Site poster that hangs on my office wall that Julio signed for me the next day:p ai'nt it the Biz, consider yerself EXPOSED:smoke

Sorry Fleaman it ai'nt 4 sale:D

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