Carwin: "Fedor Is Fighting Freak Shows And Ex UFC Champs"

[snakerattle79]

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In an EXCLUSIVE interview with MMABay, UFC heavyweight number one contender, Shane Carwin gave his thoughts on Fedor Emelianenko recently signing with Strikeforce, saying the Russian could have gone down as the greatest of all time but he chose to seek protection, just as he has done in recent years.

When asked about the recent comments made that Strikeforce offers Fedor a better challenge at heavyweight, Carwin scoffed:

“LOL who made that comment? Strikeforce offers Fedor protection just like the other promotions that he has fought for. Fedor could have went down as the wealthiest and best fighter in the history of MMA if he had continued to test his legacy.”

“Instead he has fought in freak show events or ex “UFC” title holders that would not be fighting on the preliminaries in the current UFC. The best heavyweight in the world is Brock Lesnar. He just beat Frank Mir to prove it. Fedor is going to become irrelevant at Strikeforce.”

Much has been made in the MMA world of Fedor’s decision to sign with the Strikeforce and whether it was solely motivated by the co-promotional agreement between the California based promotion and M-1 Global. His first test will come against the much bigger Brett Rogers sometime before the end of the year and a loss to the Minnesota native will mean the Russian’s decision will spectacularly backfire on him.

[Vitor Belfort]

lol @ ufc heavyweights taking shots at fedor. I bet dana white is paying them to say crap about fedor. Fedor just beat 2 ex ufc champs back to back and was about to fight the 2nd best heavyweight in barnett but barnett got caught cheating.

[boxingcar]

It's not entirely false...

I guess the best way to force everyone in the UFC to shut the fuck up once and for all would be to have either Nogueira or Crocop as ufc champs. But it's not likely to happen. (though not entirely impossible).

Not to mention , even if this happens... Fedor better hope never to lose a single fight at strikeforce. It's a very risky move for both M1 & Fedor. He's not allowed to make a single mistake for the duration of his 3 fight deal over there.

Even though what Carwin is saying is not entirely false...

Ufc's hw talent pool isn't "that" much superior... Lesnar's wrestling is solid but he's still a rather one dimensional guy (who takes advantage of his size).

Gonzaga did lose twice to Werdum. (and now werdum is fighting at strikeforce).

Kongo once against Herring.

Both crocop & Nogueira already lost to fedor.

(werdum himself already lost to nogueira & arlovski).

Yes , fedor at strikeforce is a waste but...who knows. Maybe he'll lose his next fight...and all of this will be irrelevant. and if he keeps on winning , more power to him.

Maybe Nogueira can grab the ufc belt...maybe not.

But lesnar , best hw in the world ? Not even close.
The guy only has 5 fights in his resume.
Was directly propulsed to a title shot after beating Herring...which is ridiculous.

I also disagree on the fact that Fedor has always been protected.
When he fought arlovski... he wasn't protected. Arlovski wasn't a ufc reject. He had a + 5 winning streak.

He defeated Werdum , Rothwell....

And rothwell is now fighting in the ufc and will soon be facing Velasquez.

So apparently rothwell is "worthy" of fighting in the octagon but not andrei ? (he obviously kinda ruined his chances after getting owned by Rogers).

So imo Carwin is a bit full of shit.....But just a bit.

"Fedor could have went down as the wealthiest and best fighter in the history of MMA "

Reality check..Fedor IS the best fighter in mma history already. Whether he wins or loses his next fight...He's already the best.

But yeah...Everybody would rather see fedor in the ufc , including me. But it's not the end of the world either.

He's got 3 fights left. Maybe he'll sign again...maybe he won't.

[phonk]

Shane who??

[Monoxide]

He is just saying what most everybody else is saying. Pretty much true too.....sadly

[Weber]

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In an EXCLUSIVE interview with MMABay, UFC heavyweight number one contender, Shane Carwin gave his thoughts on Fedor Emelianenko recently signing with Strikeforce, saying the Russian could have gone down as the greatest of all time but he chose to seek protection, just as he has done in recent years.

When asked about the recent comments made that Strikeforce offers Fedor a better challenge at heavyweight, Carwin scoffed:

“LOL who made that comment? Strikeforce offers Fedor protection just like the other promotions that he has fought for. Fedor could have went down as the wealthiest and best fighter in the history of MMA if he had continued to test his legacy.”

“Instead he has fought in freak show events or ex “UFC” title holders that would not be fighting on the preliminaries in the current UFC. The best heavyweight in the world is Brock Lesnar. He just beat Frank Mir to prove it. Fedor is going to become irrelevant at Strikeforce.”

Much has been made in the MMA world of Fedor’s decision to sign with the Strikeforce and whether it was solely motivated by the co-promotional agreement between the California based promotion and M-1 Global. His first test will come against the much bigger Brett Rogers sometime before the end of the year and a loss to the Minnesota native will mean the Russian’s decision will spectacularly backfire on him.

:nut

[scurlaruntings]

Shane who??You dig :thumbsup

[scurlaruntings]

He is just saying what most everybody else is saying. Pretty much true too.....sadlyNot in the slightest. All there repeating is a load of bullshit spin from the UFC because of bullish marketing.
Freak shows? Last i looked Tim and AA WERE UFC champs once. Now there freakshows? What about Fedor's bout with Barnett? Another freak show right. Granted that never happened and now Fedor signs a more lucrative contract with Strikeforce takes on one of MMA's rising prospects and the UFC propoganda machine goes into full tilt. This is just utter bullshit.

[ufoalf]

lol @ ufc heavyweights taking shots at fedor. I bet dana white is paying them to say crap about fedor. Fedor just beat 2 ex ufc champs back to back and was about to fight the 2nd best heavyweight in barnett but barnett got caught cheating.


Thread closed. Seriously since that deal went through I don't think any UFC fighter is contractually allowed to say good things about fighters not in the UFC. And believe, something like that WOULD be in UFC contract or even an "order" by Dana White(that's right, a fucking order), freedom of speech doesn't exactly work with their contracts.

[Monoxide]

Not in the slightest. All there repeating is a load of bullshit spin from the UFC because of bullish marketing.
Freak shows? Last i looked Tim and AA WERE UFC champs once. Now there freakshows? What about Fedor's bout with Barnett? Another freak show right. Granted that never happened and now Fedor signs a more lucrative contract with Strikeforce takes on one of MMA's rising prospects and the UFC propoganda machine goes into full tilt. This is just utter bullshit.

What about the spectacular exhibition match against Mousasi? lol You're right though. Fedor hasn't been in a freak show fight since Man choi

[AJAX]

Take a look at other forums around the net you will find the vast majority of fans don't like that he has signed with strikeforce. I was impressed that he was going to fight Barnett I thought they would avoid each other for ever. Do you think Dana would let guys avoid each other like they did and let Fedor-Zulu fights take place. Fedor was getting back on the right track in Affliction but now he's going to fight just about anybody with Strikeforce. He's clearly the best that's why it's frustrating because fighting the best isn't the most important thing for him.

[scurlaruntings]

What about the spectacular exhibition match against Mousasi? lol You're right though. Fedor hasn't been in a freak show fight since Man choiId hardly call that a freak show. Choi is a striker in the K1. He's also 7ft and well over 300lbs. Whats the essential diffrence between him and Lesnar except UFC fans finding more of an affinity with Brock because he's a wrestler? Was Fedor's fight with Schilt a freak show? What about Wes Sims is he also another freak?

225lbs of Fedor at 6ft went up against a man that outweighed him by well over 100lbs and is taller by a foot. Thats a VERY BIG deal whatever way you want to spin it. You find me another heavyweight that size that can pull out an armbar on a man that size let alone control him from guard and il pay attention..

[scurlaruntings]

Take a look at other forums around the net you will find the vast majority of fans don't like that he has signed with strikeforce. I was impressed that he was going to fight Barnett I thought they would avoid each other for ever. Do you think Dana would let guys avoid each other like they did and let Fedor-Zulu fights take place. Fedor was getting back on the right track in Affliction but now he's going to fight just about anybody with Strikeforce. He's clearly the best that's why it's frustrating because fighting the best isn't the most important thing for him.Fedor's paid his dues in this sport. Being compensated is high on his agenda now. As it is for EVERY fighter in MMA. As it is for the UFC organisation. Welcome back to the dessert of the real. This is business. Additionally there is no difference between guys like Cain Carwin Lesnar Mir and Werdum Overeem Rogers et al. Fedor is a 30 plus fight pro. Bringing up the Zulu fight in an attempt to discredit him is asinine.

[scurlaruntings]

Thread closed. Seriously since that deal went through I don't think any UFC fighter is contractually allowed to say good things about fighters not in the UFC. And believe, something like that WOULD be in UFC contract or even an "order" by Dana White(that's right, a fucking order), freedom of speech doesn't exactly work with their contracts.Dana learnt from the best.. Vince McMahon.

[curmudgeon]

Carwin can fuck himself in the corner.

If he thinks he can compete with Fedor and wants to compete with Fedor, he should leave UFC and compete with Fedor.

[2FastByFar]

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[snakerattle79]

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Shane Carwin Defended His Interview


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Reply by Shane Carwin 13 hours ago

I respect your opinion but I feel as if I am entitled to my own. The question was how do I (a fighter in the UFC) feel about the claims that Strikeforce has made about the best Heavyweights being in Strikeforce.

Fedor has built an amazing legacy in this sport. His run in Pride was nothing less then epic. A few years a go I would have put him as the clear P4P Best Fighter in the World. I do not think there are many fans or fighters that would dispute that.

Since Pride has closed its operations Fedor has not really fought any elite fighters and he is essentially being feed "names" that would not have a high percentage chance of beating him. They are working hard on protecting his legacy instead of putting the toughest fights in front of him. That is a disservice to him and the legacy he has built.

My response is not a smack at Fedor it is the plain and simple truth that the best fighters are in the UFC. I was going to face a world class fighter in Cain and now a very tough Brock. I do not have any choice in who I face or when I fight. I am asked to go fight and I do it. We did not hold out for a co-promotion or any other ridiculous terms to fight for the UFC title, I was honored to be offered the opportunity. Guys like Chuck Liddel wen to Pride and lost during their prime and they still became icons. I am a fan of warriors. Warriors do not win every fight they just go into battle to win every fight. If that makes me a jerk I am guilty.

[Rangersfan1982]

FFS, I wonder if you could see Dana's arm up his arse when he was giving this interview.

[sugarngold]

I don't blame the UFC heavies for being pissed at Fedor. At this point - how can they not feel slighted by continually being robbed of the chance to test themselves against the best fighter in the world?

[scurlaruntings]

I don't blame the UFC heavies for being pissed at Fedor. At this point - how can they not feel slighted by continually being robbed of the chance to test themselves against the best fighter in the world?Then maybe Carwin and co should have moved to PRIDE. Oops Carwin had barely turned pro then whereas Fedor was a 20 plus fight vet who had fought the best heavies in the world. Ironically that didnt iinclude Carwin... As for Brock he was still trying out for the Vikings. But now he's the toughest test in the sport at 4-1... NEXT!

[sugarngold]

Pride was great while it lasted bro - but it's gone.

[scurlaruntings]

Pride was great while it lasted bro - but it's gone.I completely understand that but fans minds are shockingly short in this sport. For those that dont remember i will continue to remind them. If Roger is a nobody then so is Cain Carwin Kongo Mir and Couture in comparison to Fedor.

[am0kgonzo]

Take a look at other forums around the net you will find the vast majority of fans don't like that he has signed with strikeforce. I was impressed that he was going to fight Barnett I thought they would avoid each other for ever. Do you think Dana would let guys avoid each other like they did and let Fedor-Zulu fights take place. Fedor was getting back on the right track in Affliction but now he's going to fight just about anybody with Strikeforce. He's clearly the best that's why it's frustrating because fighting the best isn't the most important thing for him.

Avoid each other? The only one doing the avoiding was Barnett.

[ufoalf]

I completely understand that but fans minds are shockingly short in this sport. For those that dont remember i will continue to remind them. If Roger is a nobody then so is Cain Carwin Kongo Mir and Couture in comparison to Fedor.

A good way to look at imo is as follows:
If Cain, Carwin, Kongo, or Mir somehow, a year or two went to Strikeforce and had a decent run like that of Rogers, it would be exactly the same. They'd mention rest of the names, along Overeem and Rogers and Werdum if they were still in the UFC. It's not the names that matter. It's what those names represent which is "a small-time organization".

[scurlaruntings]

A good way to look at imo is as follows:
If Cain, Carwin, Kongo, or Mir somehow, a year or two went to Strikeforce and had a decent run like that of Rogers, it would be exactly the same. They'd mention rest of the names, along Overeem and Rogers and Werdum if they were still in the UFC. It's not the names that matter. It's what those names represent which is "a small-time organization".:thumbsup Bingo thats pretty much it. And the joyboys roll on. I dont understand this affinity that socalled fans seem to have to one organisation. Granted i was a huge fan of PRIDE. PRIDE is gone. I have no problem with fighters in the UFC. But what i hate is the mob fan mentality and the bullish tactics from the UFC that come with it.

Its completely wrong and detrimental to the lifeblood of the sport. The UFC and all fighters do whats best for themselves financially. Fedor does exactly the same and he gets berated by a bunch of cretins who then have the audacity to dissect his record as though he's made a career of fighting tin cans. This is a man who's beaten 5 UFC champions. Not just beaten them DESTROYED them. But that apparently doesnt matter anymore because its about the here and now?! But his last fight was against AA... O but Fedor was slated to fight Barnett. Barnett fucked up. He's got Rogers instead a bonafide puncher and prospect but that apparently isnt good enough either.. :roll::roll:

This isnt about Fedor. Its clearly about the UFC and thats it. Who would have thought Dan's stink attitude would be sooo pervasive.

[Duende]

:thumbsup Bingo thats pretty much it. And the joyboys roll on. I dont understand this affinity that socalled fans seem to have to one organisation. Granted i was a huge fan of PRIDE. PRIDE is gone. I have no problem with fighters in the UFC. But what i hate is the mob fan mentality and the bullish tactics from the UFC that come with it.

Its completely wrong and detrimental to the lifeblood of the sport. The UFC and all fighters do whats best for themselves financially. Fedor does exactly the same and he gets berated by a bunch of cretins who then have the audacity to dissect his record as though he's made a career of fighting tin cans. This is a man who's beaten 5 UFC champions. Not just beaten them DESTROYED them. But that apparently doesnt matter anymore because its about the here and now?! But his last fight was against AA... O but Fedor was slated to fight Barnett. Barnett fucked up. He's got Rogers instead a bonafide puncher and prospect but that apparently isnt good enough either.. :roll::roll:

This isnt about Fedor. Its clearly about the UFC and thats it. Who would have thought Dan's stink attitude would be sooo pervasive.

Hear! Hear!

A voice of reason.

[PH|LLA]

Fedor is probably making more money with strikeforce than he would with ufc

[Ubersteve]

For some reason I find Carwin saying LOL hilarious.

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"LOL"

[Beebs]

I completely understand that but fans minds are shockingly short in this sport. For those that dont remember i will continue to remind them. If Roger is a nobody then so is Cain Carwin Kongo Mir and Couture in comparison to Fedor.

Kongo obviosuly, Cain and Carwin certainly, Lesnar ok if we are only looking at paper, Mir and Couture? You are out of your mind.

How can you on any level at all compare Rogers with Mir and Couture? That is offensively stupid.

Do you actually believe that Rogers is a good enough fight for Fedor? Leave everything and everybody else out of it; in a vaccum do you honestly think this is the type of fight the best fighter in the world should be taking?

This isn't an attack on Fedor, it is stating the obvious; the best fighter in the world should be fighting the best available opponent every fight. With Barnett he was so it's not like he's afraid of doing it, it's just that mixed in with his great wins are wins that are completly outside of what the worlds best fighter needs to be doing.

It's hard not to be frustrated with this fight; it is way too similar to the years in between CroCop and Sylivia. Those fights ranged from the completely absurd (Zulu) to the challenging but completly irrelevant (Choi) to the good but obviosuly totally outmatched (Lindland). This fight is closer to the Lindland fight than the Zulu, but comparing it to the last 3 fights he had signed it is a completly undeniable step backwords.

If it was a one time thing it wouldn't be so bad, but it's not, it's a return to a pattern that existed for a long couple of years of waste.

[cdnboxing]

Comparing him with Couture is outrageous.

However, Mir is actually not that outrageous. Who has Mir beaten other than Tim Sylvia, 1-0 Lesnar and the worst Noguiera we've ever seen?

Mir at the end of the day is an average fighter and always has been.

[Beebs]

So who has he beaten outside of 3 of the last 4 UFC champions? Stopping all of them? Is that what your asking?

Even if you pretend that isn't 1000x more impressive than Rogers, I was really more basing it on the fact that Mir has been fighting at a high level since the pre Zuffa UFC, and outside of his two fights after his comeback from having every bone in his leg turned into dust, he has looked damn good doing it.

To compare that to a guy who's biggest accomplishments are knocking out the two worst chins in the heavyweight division and calling out Kimbo is incredibly stupid.