Hearns and M Spinks

[80s champs]

Pound for pound,who had greater power in their prime? REMEMBER POUND FOR POUND (can this be asked)?

[Addie]

Pound for pound,who had greater power in their prime? REMEMBER POUND FOR POUND (can this be asked)?

Thomas Hearns in my estimation.

He was smaller, but he knocked out quality fighters with one shot more often than the Jinx ever did. I mean, he sparked true granite in Duran and Cuevas, and his power kept up even through he was moving through the weights.

Michael had great power at Light Heavyweight, his one punch knockout of Johnson was something else, but his power did not carry up to Heavyweight.

Hearns for me. P4P.

[My2Sense]

Hearns seemed to be more immediately explosive to me, as in his wins over Duran and Cuevas.

Spinks hit very hard too, but he usually worked to wear down his opponents a bit first before applying the sleeper.

[Wu-Gambino]

Michael had great power at Light Heavyweight, his one punch knockout of Qawi was something else
Qawi who?

[Sister Sledge]

Thomas Hearns in my estimation.

He was smaller, but he knocked out quality fighters with one shot more often than the Jinx ever did. I mean, he sparked true granite in Duran and Cuevas, and his power kept up even through he was moving through the weights.

Michael had great power at Light Heavyweight, his one punch knockout of Qawi was something else, but his power did not carry up to Heavyweight.

Hearns for me. P4P.

Hearns knocked out Marvin Johnson with the Spinks Jinx. He didn't even put Qawi on the canvas.

[Addie]

Hearns knocked out Marvin Johnson with the Spinks Jinx. He didn't even put Qawi on the canvas.

:lol: I know that, I got mixed up. I have both fights on DVD.

In any event, Hearns was the harder hitter, P4P. :good

[Wu-Gambino]

Hearns knocked out Marvin Johnson with the Spinks Jinx.
You mean Spinks, and it was the left uppercut. :good

[Titan1]

Thomas over Michael.His power went up to about, 2 to 3 divisions.

[Longhhorn71]

Spinks blasted out Cooney and some other Heavyweight (Tangstad)....all who outweighed him 15+ lbs.

Except Tyson, no one stops Holmes....and of course his fight against prime Tyson was a mismatch.

[Russell]

Thomas Hearns in my estimation.

He was smaller, but he knocked out quality fighters with one shot more often than the Jinx ever did. I mean, he sparked true granite in Duran and Cuevas, and his power kept up even through he was moving through the weights.

Michael had great power at Light Heavyweight, his one punch knockout of Johnson was something else, but his power did not carry up to Heavyweight.

Hearns for me. P4P.

Cuevas... Granite? :huh

[El Bujia]

Cuevas... Granite? :huhI don't know about "granite", but at the time he was considered one of the most durable men in the game. Hearns ruined his chin.

[Duodenum]

Cuevas... Granite? :huhUntil Hearns, very definitely yes. Pipino never had the defensive skills of a Duran. Like the young Foreman, and Paul Fuji, his entire defense was his offense. His middle match with Angel Espada was a war. Randy Shields continually ripped his right to Pipino's head, to no effect. Randy wasn't noted for his power, but he was the only one aside from Duran to ever take out Lampkin. Harold Volbrecht hit him with everything but the kitchen sink for four rounds before Cuevas used a single hook to put him down and out. Jose also took everything Hearns had for five and a half minutes, then beat the count following two of the three most devastating right hands of Tommy's career, getting up at seven. As El Bujia said though, Hearns ruined his chin.

[Russell]

Until Hearns, very definitely yes. Pipino never had the defensive skills of a Duran. Like the young Foreman, and Paul Fuji, his entire defense was his offense. His middle match with Angel Espada was a war. Randy Shields continually ripped his right to Pipino's head, to no effect. Randy wasn't noted for his power, but he was the only one aside from Duran to ever take out Lampkin. Harold Volbrecht hit him with everything but the kitchen sink for four rounds before Cuevas used a single hook to put him down and out. Jose also took everything Hearns had for five and a half minutes, then beat the count following two of the three most devastating right hands of Tommy's career, getting up at seven. As El Bujia said though, Hearns ruined his chin.

Would you rate his chin as a 8/10 or thereabouts, or do you truly feel it was an all time great chin up until the Hearn's bout?

[WhataRock]

I wouldnt call it ATG but he proved he could really take a licking.

Hearns, an ATG puncher with ridiculous physical advantages, just tee'd off on him for the entire 6 mins..fair dinkum about 8 rounds of punishment squeezed into that time against a bloke who did not have an ounce of defensive instinct.

[WhataRock]

On the topic...Spinks to me seemed like a fighter who put a hell of a lot into every punch, it was just his style and technique.

Hearns "in general play" would sometimes sacrifice power to let go with some rapid fire combos or very quick counter..then when he put more sting behind a shot it was devastating.

Just my opinion..They had different ways of going about their craft..I will still give Hearns an edge.

[Duodenum]

Would you rate his chin as a 8/10 or thereabouts, or do you truly feel it was an all time great chin up until the Hearn's bout?Sorting out the true answer to that question takes some contemplation. Just before Hearns, it was truly believed he did have an ATG chin. Between Montreal and Hearns-Cuevas, Jose was considered to have a better chin than SRL, as Cuevas had not been seen even getting wobbled as Ray was by Duran's hook in round two.

It does need to be conceded that there was a limit to the extent it was tested, despite his lack of regard for defense. Decent punchers like Gray and Ranzany only lasted a couple of rounds, and those who lasted longer were not in the same class of power as Hagler opponents Briscoe, Hart, Minter, Obel, Lee, Sibson, Scypion, Duran, Roldan, Hearns and Mugabe. Factoring in the level of Pipino's competition combined with his lack of defense, a 9 on the chin scale would not be irrational, an 8 would be conservative. Maybe an 8.5.

Marcos Geraldo was knocked out 21 times in his career. But from March 1977 through Hagler in May 1980, his chin looked as good as that of anybody in the business. He took everything SRL, Marv and the lethal LoCicero could dish out, and he stopped LoCicero in ten for maybe his biggest career win, right before Hagler. Later, he stopped one punch knockout specialist David Cabrera twice, and retired George Cooper not long before the match with SRL. When he was on, his chin might have been rated a 10. (It is also suspected by some that Geraldo took more than a few dives in his career.) Cuevas was certainly more consistently sturdy until Hearns than Geraldo was through his early career.

[MAG1965]

I think Tommy was the bigger puncher. More big knockouts over ATG fighters. Spinks did not have those knockouts over ATGs.