Mike McCallum vs Tery Norris

[AlFrancis]

Mike McCallum vs Terry Norris prime for prime at jnr middleweight. How does this one go?

[red cobra]

Good matchup..I think McCallum would outsmart him and win a decision. A knockdown for Mike would happen, and it's even possible that there would be a late tko for McCallum.

[Jorodz]

i rate norris as the most talented and possibly greatest 154 pounder of all time. but in this case, i think mccallum's chin holds well under norris' shots but i can't say the same of terry. mccallum loses the first few rounds due to norris' activity and incredible combination punching but slowly begins to walk through his shots and wear him down with a consistent, as always, body attack. by the 10th the fight is close on the cards but mccallum has taken the reigns and is walking norris down. it's dead even going into the 12th but a flash knockdown seals the deal and gives mccallum the UD

[Dave's Top Ten]

Norris is quicker, more mobile, better puncher.
Norris boxes to a UD.

[laxpdx]

Terry the speedster would be very troublesome, but over time I see McCallum slowly grinding him down via body attack. Mike by UD....or maybe late TKO.

[WhataRock]

Mike is a level above Terry. Norris certainly has his him some areas but overall McCallum is the more proven and skilled operator.

I think the fight goes much like the McCrory one. Terry takes some early rounds and gives Mike a hard fight but eventually starts getting caught with to much leather and gets steamrolled later.

[My2Sense]

Mike is a level above Terry. Norris certainly has his him some areas but overall McCallum is the more proven and skilled operator.

I think the fight goes much like McCrory one. Terry takes some early rounds and gives Mike a hard fight but eventually starts getting caught with to much leather and steamrolled.

Pretty much the way I see it, from top to bottom.

[Mr Butt]

McCallum takes the second half of the fight to win a ud or as has been said a late tko

[Minotauro]

Mike via stoppage, probably 7 or 8.

[natonic]

Could be similar to McCallum - Curry. Norris could take a lot of rounds with superior physical attributes but McCallum's steady, determined, solid technical approach would eventually catch up to Norris. McCallum tko 11.

[frankenfrank]

Mike McCallum vs Terry Norris prime for prime at jnr middleweight. How does this one go?
easy - McCallum by TKO.
Norris' chin + McCallum's ability at 154 = McCallum TKO Norris.
the harder question is : how much rounds.
We have Julian Jackson as a measurement tool.
also Donald Curry : McCallum KO'd a younger version at 5.
for Norris it took 8 to KO an older one.
Also Norris was stopped 4 times as a pro and lost 9 , retiring at 31 and only 3 times at the end of his career fighting slightly above 154 , 2 times of them against nobodies.
McCallum traveled to 175 , and to times above.
never stopped as a pro , had 5 losses.
McCallum is clearly better by far it is insulting.

[AlFrancis]

easy - McCallum by TKO.
Norris' chin + McCallum's ability at 154 = McCallum TKO Norris.
the harder question is : how much rounds.
We have Julian Jackson as a measurement tool.
also Donald Curry : McCallum KO'd a younger version at 5.
for Norris it took 8 to KO an older one.
Also Norris was stopped 4 times as a pro and lost 9 , retiring at 31 and only 3 times at the end of his career fighting slightly above 154 , 2 times of them against nobodies.
McCallum traveled to 175 , and to times above.
never stopped as a pro , had 5 losses.
McCallum is clearly better by far it is insulting.

Well I wasn't trying to insult anyone. I would go for McCallum by KO myself, could happen at any point.
I was just wondering how many would go for Norris.

[WhataRock]

Well I wasn't trying to insult anyone. I would go for McCallum by KO myself, could happen at any point.
I was just wondering how many would go for Norris.


Dont reply to him Al..he might go away then.

[AlFrancis]

Dont reply to him Al..he might go away then.


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[he grant]

McCallum would win because Norris' chin would not last against a fighter of Mike's talent. Mike's own chin was granite. It could be a terrific battle but once hurt Norris would have to fight for survival and that would not be enough.

[frankenfrank]

McCallum would win because Norris' chin would not last against a fighter of Mike's talent. Mike's own chin was granite. It could be a terrific battle but once hurt Norris would have to fight for survival and that would not be enough.

i don't think it was granite simply because he was stopped at least 3 times as an amateur (with the headgear , etc).
after his 3rd fight with toney , and within it , you could see , hear (from the commentators) and understand , that neither man wanted to seriously harm the other , to say the least. you could see the great respect toney had for him. mccallum's chin improved somewhat from his amateur days , but since i think he didn't take HGH and steroids no reason for it to improve isgnificantly.
i assume his defense did improve significantly , along some dirty tactics : low blows , holding . not dirty compared to hopkins' , i admit , but still , not clean and classic boxing by the book.

[teeto]

McCallum for me. Two of the decisions very greatest and able, but in this particular match u i pick Mike.

[Jorodz]

i picked mike as well but i think norris has much more chance in this fight than he is given credit for and would give a good account of himself. someone stated this could go the way of curry-mccallum and for the first half i can see that happening.

norris held the advantages in movement, punch variety, hand speed and fluidity

power is equal

mccallum held the advantage in chin, technique, and obviously body punching

both were hittable at the elite level

I personally see mccallum wearing him down but it's entirely possible that norris remains at distance and uses him speed, of hand and foot, to potshot, jab, move, flurry and sneak his way to a dull decision win.

If he can maintain the discipline that Curry couldn't, and NOT admire his work, I see this as a distinct possibility. McCallum was outboxed, even at his best, and Norris is probably the most talented 154 pounder ever, barring only hearns himself.

[Dave's Top Ten]

McCallum has a great record, but styles make fights. Norris proved he can box and move for 12 rounds. He also has very good speed and power. It would get tough in the later rounds as the body punching from Mike would take it's toll, but it's Norris by decision, perhaps 8-4, for me. Despite the plaudits Mike gets on this forum, the man could be outboxed.

[Bad_Intentions]

McCallum slows Norris down with body shots, and stops him in late rounds.

[Flea Man]

i don't think it was granite simply because he was stopped at least 3 times as an amateur (with the headgear , etc).
after his 3rd fight with toney , and within it , you could see , hear (from the commentators) and understand , that neither man wanted to seriously harm the other , to say the least. you could see the great respect toney had for him. mccallum's chin improved somewhat from his amateur days , but since i think he didn't take HGH and steroids no reason for it to improve isgnificantly.
i assume his defense did improve significantly , along some dirty tactics : low blows , holding . not dirty compared to hopkins' , i admit , but still , not clean and classic boxing by the book.

David Tua was felled by a single blow as an amateur.

Riddick Bowe was seriously hurt in the amateurs.

Larry Holmes was stopped in the amateurs several times.

OWNED:deal

[Cobra33]

It would really depend on Norris.If he fights smart and uses his skills he beats Mccallum.But if he gets drawn to the inside Mccallum hammers him.
Norris has the skills to beat Mccallum but not the mental make-up I think to carry it out.And Norris was a much harder puncher punch for punch then Mccallum was.

[Robbi]

McCallum by KO. :D

[teeto]

McCallum by KO. :D
Haha, class avatar, you make that yourslef?

[Robbi]

Haha, class avatar, you make that yourslef?


:good

[frankenfrank]

McCallum has a great record, but styles make fights. Norris proved he can box and move for 12 rounds. He also has very good speed and power. It would get tough in the later rounds as the body punching from Mike would take it's toll, but it's Norris by decision, perhaps 8-4, for me. Despite the plaudits Mike gets on this forum, the man could be outboxed.
norris also proved he can box and get stopped.

[frankenfrank]

David Tua was felled by a single blow as an amateur.

Riddick Bowe was seriously hurt in the amateurs.

Larry Holmes was stopped in the amateurs several times.

OWNED:deal
about tua - the HGH and steroids combination did their thing greatly on him. that single blow was rarely well placed by a 6'5" man (in reality) who was much more experienced.
Bowe never checked his chin against another elite heavy except holyfield in the pros. if he had it checked - he could really get stopped himslef against the likes of mccall or even bruno.
holmes' only good opurtunities to get stopped as a pro were against shavers whom many others succeeded to stop or at least go the distance (in some way) against him and against mccall who was sometimes good and sometimes not.

[Dave's Top Ten]

norris also proved he can box and get stopped.

Against Jackson, yep sure, but no disgrace there. Mac doesn't have Jackson's power. If he did, I'd be picking him to win.

[Ezzard]

McCallum is in a different league to Norris. Norris would probably take a 6 rounder but in a title fight McCallum would chop him down.

[AlFrancis]

about tua - the HGH and steroids combination did their thing greatly on him. that single blow was rarely well placed by a 6'5" man (in reality) who was much more experienced.
Bowe never checked his chin against another elite heavy except holyfield in the pros. if he had it checked - he could really get stopped himslef against the likes of mccall or even bruno.
holmes' only good opurtunities to get stopped as a pro were against shavers whom many others succeeded to stop or at least go the distance (in some way) against him and against mccall who was sometimes good and sometimes not.

Have you seen Holmes against Renaldo Snipes?

[Olu G. Rotimi]

McCallum would stop Terrible Terry Norris a class act as well.

[frankenfrank]

Against Jackson, yep sure, but no disgrace there. Mac doesn't have Jackson's power. If he did, I'd be picking him to win.
not just jackson.

[headhunter]

Terry Norris gets Knocked the fuck out before round 6.

[Dave's Top Ten]

not just jackson.

True, in his peak years, KO'd by Brown, but he put it right in the rematch with the type of skills and power that would help him get by McCallum.

[redrooster]

I like Terry.

The reason? Too much speed!

And besides, Mike doesnt have the power to take him out.

I see the two dueling with jabs but Terry's speed would come to the forefront after a few rounds and would turn into another Kalambay-McCallum with Terry gaining a points win in an upset. Mike isn't nearly as sharp or dangerous as Norris.

Mike could probably close the show on someone like Leonard and take him out (ala Don Curry) but the Norris of the Leonard fight would have beaten anyone at this weight class in history with the exception of Julian Jackson.

Terry scores flash knockdowns in rounds 3, 7, 9 with his lighning left to keep Mike honest. By rounds 10, 11 you'll see Terry working Mike over with body shots and physically draining him and by round 12, Mike is holding on but manages to hear the final bell.

[Robbi]

I like Terry.

The reason? Too much speed!

And besides, Mike doesnt have the power to take him out.

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[Jorodz]

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mike's power wasn't as eye popping as hearns or jackson's was and he wasn't a one shot destroyer BUT the left hook to the body was a demon and don't forget what happened to curry when he brought it upstairs: still one of my favourite ko's. it's not does he have the power, it's can he use it and land it frequently enough to get the ko. for me it's 50/50

[redrooster]

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I seen him at the garden myself Robbi. He pasted the defensless guy over and under for 15 and nothing happened.

people dont believe me but Terry will breeze past this guy. He'll put him on his ass. He'll give him two black eyes. he'll leave him gasping for air at the bell. Mike's a good technical fighter but a little too mechanical for a speedster's speedster like Terry.

[TheGreatA]

McCallum surely had a tested chin. He was never close to being stopped and he fought some good punchers. Amateur fights mean very little.

As Pat Putnam wrote after the first Toney fight:

"Fortunately for McCallum, he has one of the five great chins in the world; the other four are on Mount Rushmore."

[Jorodz]

McCallum surely had a tested chin. He was never close to being stopped and he fought some good punchers. Amateur fights mean very little.

As Pat Putnam wrote after the first Toney fight:

"Fortunately for McCallum, he has one of the five great chins in the world; the other four are on Mount Rushmore."

mccallum was solid, he also had some pretty decent defensive moves. the toney and jones fights convinced me: he was taking real solid shots well after his prime and still standing. the curry fight was the first one where i just went "wow!", then i saw the jackson fight and he took fucking BOMBS in that first round. I'm amazed he made it out, let alone barely blinked

[Sister Sledge]

Norris had the ability to be the best 154er of all time. His only problem is that he could be too undisciplined. He's had quite a few dq losses, and he could be coaxed into dogfights that he shouldn't be in. Because of this, I think McCallum would stop him late.

[BENNY BLANCO]

Norris had the ability to be the best 154er of all time. His only problem is that he could be too undisciplined. He's had quite a few dq losses, and he could be coaxed into dogfights that he shouldn't be in. Because of this, I think McCallum would stop him late. Norris was'nt undisciplined in my opinion he just liked to fight straight up without all that feeling out process that fighters of his caliber are known for.

As far as the DQ losses, Luis Santana faked being hurt in both the DQ fights. In the first fight Norris lightly punched him in the back of the head and like the coward he was Santana faked being layed out because he knew he could'nt beat Norris any other way. In the second fight Norris punched after the bell and again he made the same act of it as he did in the first fight, I wish those fight were counted as no contests because Terry does'nt deserve to have those as "losses" on his record.

[Sister Sledge]

Norris was'nt undisciplined in my opinion he just liked to fight straight up without all that feeling out process that fighters of his caliber are known for.

As far as the DQ losses, Luis Santana faked being hurt in both the DQ fights. In the first fight Norris lightly punched him in the back of the head and like the coward he was Santana faked being layed out because he knew he could'nt beat Norris any other way. In the second fight Norris punched after the bell and again he made the same act of it as he did in the first fight, I wish those fight were counted as no contests because Terry does'nt deserve to have those as "losses" on his record.

I've seen most of Terry's fights and the Santana fights pissed me off because of the disgusting way they ended. I think Don King had something to do with these fights. Terry was undisciplined. He could have easily beaten Julian Jackson and Simon Brown if he had fought smarter. He turned the Curry fight into a brawl,too. After the Leonard fight, He tried to knock everybody out, and that hurt him because he tooks too many risks, and rushed himself too much. That's why he was dq'd twice in the Santana fights and ktfo'd by Brown. He was still one of my favorite fighters, though.

[frankenfrank]

mccallum was solid, he also had some pretty decent defensive moves. the toney and jones fights convinced me: he was taking real solid shots well after his prime and still standing. the curry fight was the first one where i just went "wow!", then i saw the jackson fight and he took fucking BOMBS in that first round. I'm amazed he made it out, let alone barely blinked
What bombs ? he clinched .

[Flea Man]

What bombs ? he clinched .

First round, left hook, wobbles Mike. Comes back, stops Jackson.

[WhataRock]

What bombs ? he clinched .


:lol:

Oh Frankenberry...never change.

[TheGreatA]

What bombs ? he clinched .

He took bombs and then clinched and of course came back to win the fight by a 2nd round knockout.

Norris took bombs and was knocked out.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Terry Norris was a really excellent fighter. Fast with excellent skills. I would go so far as to say that he is one of the greatest Light Middleweights in the history of the division. However McCallum was the better fighter and Terrible Terry as good as he was had his flaws. Whilst I am not a great advocate of fighter A beating fighter B and fighter B beating fighter C means that fighter A will defintely beat fighter C, in this instance I think the performances of McCallum and Norris against Jackson is instructive.

[WhataRock]

Olu where ya been matey?

[Flea Man]

Olu where ya been matey?

I 2nd that, with posts like that Olu shows how good a poster he actually is.

I'm happy to report we get along now :good