Who IS the Next Great Black Hope in the Heavyweight division

[Bummy Davis]

With all the Champs being White Russians, Which Black Heavy will have the best chance to win a title, Sam Peter of Africa, Eddie Chambers, TOS, Tony Thompson or someone else....

[JAM Killer]

There is no need for a "black hope", no need. Especially after Peter destroys Oleg in the ring.

[unclepaulie]

Jameel McCline

[Mendoza]

With all the Champs being White Russians, Which Black Heavy will have the best chance to win a title, Sam Peter of Africa, Eddie Chambers, TOS, Tony Thompson or someone else....

Maybe the media can order a Black Russian? All jokes asside Peter will likely defeat Maskev.

[Bigcat]

I do like Eddie Chambers, i haven't been impressed by Malik too much and Franklin Lawrence is not as good as his record suggests.

[The Hitman]

I hoping that Peter rips Oleg a new one, and if that happens then you've got your black hope right there.

[KayEpps]

Sam Peter is the next Black Heavyweight Champ.

Chambers isn't going to be able to beat the bigger HW's.

McCline doesn't stand a chance. Byrd is too small - something like Chambers.

Rahman is washed up. On and on......

Peter has the best chance.

[Thom]

Black hope? :lol: Yeah, I remember the days of celebration and people dancing in the streets when Briggs bested Lyakhovich for the WBOgus title and weakened the Eastern European grip on the HW titles, and the shock, humiliation and despair which sparked race riots all over the country when Shannon the Cannon dropped the title to Ibragimov. :rofl

Seriously, whether the thread starter is being facetious or not with his usage of that term, I'm pretty sure that black people are going to have to start giving a shit about boxing again en masse for there to be a "Black hope."

[Rudiment]

Why do you need a black hope..or white hope for that matter? Aren't we past the whole race thing yet? How about hope for compelling match ups that make us give a damn? People that crave a white or black hope are simply biased or racist. :deal

[Stezzie]

Why do you need a black hope..or white hope for that matter? Aren't we past the whole race thing yet? How about hope for compelling match ups that make us give a damn? People that crave a white or black hope are simply biased or racist. :deal

Yeah it's 2007...there is no need for a "hope" for what? I think that type of thinking died over 20 years ago...In fact I dont think people even give a shit about boxing anymore...

[semichin]

Evander Holyfield :lol:

[aliwasthegreatest]

way to put race where it doesn't matter.

[He Hate Me]

Jameel McCline

poor fundamentals.

[ChrisPontius]

Maybe the media can order a Black Russian?
:lol:

[Snorkel]

Nobody was dancing in the streets you lying inbred hillbilly:rofl

Where were the race-riots you philandering meth-monkey??:lol:

The best p4p is Black..Mayweather..(as were MOST ATG's) I don't see any Eurotrash threatening him..Let's see how they deal with Ricketty Hatton getting slice-up..the Britis might riot like the Hagler fight in Britain..

The heavy division is the WEAKEST in all of boxing..that's why it's infested with Eurobums:deal

Where are they in the more COMPETITIVE divisions??

NONE of that Eurotrash is HOF material..it's a joke to compare them to the ATG's

You know what Cletus??

You need a trip to the Boxing Hall of Fame...FAST

I bet you're not even european..you're home-grown TRAILER TRASH living vicarioulsy throw Eurotrash Heavyweights..

WHERE ARE AMERICAN WHITE HOPES???:rofl :rofl :rofl

There GONE..that's why you have to cheer for foreigners that would rather spit in your face than shake your hand:yep

I think you spectacularly missed the point of the guys post.

As for the 'Eurotrash' in the heavy division, remind where the last genuine heavyweight champ was from, please?

[Snorkel]

The U.S

It sure as hell wasn't Lummox Lewis or one of those Klit robo-hoes..

Ok, I now know to completely disregard anything you say as you either know nothing about boxing, have an irrational hate for any non-us fighter or a combination of both. I'm guessing both. Thanks.

[ThePlugInBabies]

Nobody was dancing in the streets you lying inbred hillbilly:rofl

Where were the race-riots you philandering meth-monkey??:lol:

The best p4p is Black..Mayweather..(as are MOST ATG's) I don't see any Eurotrash threatening him..Let's see how they deal with Ricketty Hatton getting slice-up..the Britis might riot like the Hagler fight in Britain..

The heavy division is the WEAKEST in all of boxing..that's why it's infested with Eurobums:deal

Where are they in the more COMPETITIVE divisions??

NONE of that Eurotrash is HOF material..it's a joke to compare them to the ATG's

You know what Cletus??..You need a trip to the Boxing Hall of Fame...FAST

I bet you're not even european..you're home-grown TRAILER TRASH living vicarioulsy through Eurotrash Heavyweights..

WHERE ARE AMERICAN WHITE HOPES???:rofl :rofl :rofl

There GONE..that's why you have to cheer for foreigners that would rather spit in your face than shake your hand:yep

fucking hell, and your profile said you were 30.

[Grabonator]

There GONE..that's why you have to cheer for foreigners that would rather spit in your face than shake your hand:yep

Name one boxer who would do that!

[Danny]

David Haye. Call me ridiculous all you want, but after Haye gets done with Mormeck, he start his assignment at HW. Haye has real power, possibly being even mopre powerful, stronger at HW because he will not have to deplete his body losing so much weight.

Obviously, his chin still has a certain Q next to it, but I think Haye can be successful at HW. One things for certain, when he does move up to HW, he'll not duck a challenge from any fighter.

Haye's attitude in wanting to box against the best is quite refreshing.

[Grabonator]

David Haye. Call me ridiculous all you want, but after Haye gets done with Mormeck, he start his assignment at HW. Haye has real power, possibly being even mopre powerful, stronger at HW because he will not have to deplete his body losing so much weight.

Obviously, his chin still has a certain Q next to it, but I think Haye can be successful at HW. One things for certain, when he does move up to HW, he'll not duck a challenge from any fighter.

Haye's attitude in wanting to box against the best is quite refreshing.

Yes! Haye is still strong at heavyweight and hes more skilled than most of the current big slow "real" heavyweights.

[Thom]

Nobody was dancing in the streets you lying inbred hillbilly:rofl

Where were the race-riots you philandering meth-monkey??:lol:

The best p4p is Black..Mayweather..(as are MOST ATG's) I don't see any Eurotrash threatening him..Let's see how they deal with Ricketty Hatton getting slice-up..the Britis might riot like the Hagler fight in Britain..

The heavy division is the WEAKEST in all of boxing..that's why it's infested with Eurobums:deal

Where are they in the more COMPETITIVE divisions??

NONE of that Eurotrash is HOF material..it's a joke to compare them to the ATG's

You know what Cletus??..You need a trip to the Boxing Hall of Fame...FAST

I bet you're not even european..you're home-grown TRAILER TRASH living vicarioulsy through Eurotrash Heavyweights..

WHERE ARE AMERICAN WHITE HOPES???:rofl :rofl :rofl

There GONE..that's why you have to cheer for foreigners that would rather spit in your face than shake your hand:yep

:huh


I'm guessing you dropped out of school before they taught anything about the use of irony as a literary device in English class.

[POSSUM]

Floyd Mayweather Jr

[Lacyace]

Who is the next hope period?

[dave]

Rampage Jackson...toughest fighter in the world...wrong sport...but you got to love this guy, he recently made me a fan.

[razor]

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Of course 19 year old sensation Hunter.

[box03]

Peters going to be the next black champ. I really dont care if your black or white I would love to see another great american champ, that would help the Heavywieght division get popular again in america.

[Irländsk]

Audley Harrison. next question.

[brooklyn1550]

Samuel Peter

[semichin]

Nobody was dancing in the streets you lying inbred hillbilly:rofl

Where were the race-riots you philandering meth-monkey??:lol:

The best p4p is Black..Mayweather..(as are MOST ATG's) I don't see any Eurotrash threatening him..Let's see how they deal with Ricketty Hatton getting slice-up..the Britis might riot like the Hagler fight in Britain..

The heavy division is the WEAKEST in all of boxing..that's why it's infested with Eurobums:deal

Where are they in the more COMPETITIVE divisions??

NONE of that Eurotrash is HOF material..it's a joke to compare them to the ATG's

You know what Cletus??..You need a trip to the Boxing Hall of Fame...FAST

I bet you're not even european..you're home-grown TRAILER TRASH living vicarioulsy through Eurotrash Heavyweights..

WHERE ARE AMERICAN WHITE HOPES???:rofl :rofl :rofl

There GONE..that's why you have to cheer for foreigners that would rather spit in your face than shake your hand:yep You are partly on, and partly off. The Heavyweight division is only trashed because the USA is not dominating. the years it was so, the east Euros were not allowed to box as they are now. If Schmeling could Ko Lewis, and Johansson could KO Patterson as they did, their first match= so may have been said for these huge East Euros if they were allowed to be pros back then. The thread should not be the great BLACK hope,or WHITE.. it should be the great USA Hope. Environment is big= if Mayweather, or Pacman were raised in rural Vt, in the hills, the'd box like retarded snails

[lillarry]

:lol: Bernard Hopkins

[Irish Steel]

THe only black I can see winning a belt is Sam Peter. ANd he is still clearly the best Black HW. But then Wlad will have to beat him again.

[Scar]

Sam Peter.

[El Bombasto]

With all the Champs being White Russians, Which Black Heavy will have the best chance to win a title, Sam Peter of Africa, Eddie Chambers, TOS, Tony Thompson or someone else....

none of them

[El Bombasto]

Sam Peter.

unless that piece of crap is very protected, he lose the belt on his first defense if he gets by maskaev. the heavyweight division is bad, but it never has been and never will be so bad that that fat piece of shiite could ever be considered anything more than a club fighter.

[SteveO]

James Toney. If he stops 'roiding and if he loses weight and if he takes himself seriously and if and if and if...

[box03]

There really is no great americans heavywieghts on the horizon, and people wonder why the heavywieght division sucks. The best heavywieght has panic attacks in the ring when hes hit by a hard punch, need I say more.

[Relentless]

You are partly on, and partly off. The Heavyweight division is only trashed because the USA is not dominating. the years it was so, the east Euros were not allowed to box as they are now. If Schmeling could Ko Lewis, and Johansson could KO Patterson as they did, their first match= so may have been said for these huge East Euros if they were allowed to be pros back then. The thread should not be the great BLACK hope,or WHITE.. it should be the great USA Hope. Environment is big= if Mayweather, or Pacman were raised in rural Vt, in the hills, the'd box like retarded snails

the bums ...erm i mean euro's aren't dominating either, every few months the titles change from one euro ....erm i mean bum to another

[El Bombasto]

the bums ...erm i mean euro's aren't dominating either, every few months the titles change from one euro ....erm i mean bum to another

when was the last time wlad lost his title?.....and, who did he ktfo to win it?

[T.S.]

Larry Holmes :lol:

Evander Holyfield is the Great American Hope!
Go Holy! :good

[RUSKULL]

The U.S

It sure as hell wasn't Lummox Lewis or one of those Klit robo-hoes..

Yeah, as if Lewis wasn't an ATG Heavyweight :-(

Sad bro, real sad...............

[brooklyn1550]

Yeah, as if Lewis wasn't an ATG Heavyweight :-(

Sad bro, real sad...............

:lol: People who question Lennox's or Wladimir's talent are well...you know:good

[RUSKULL]

the bums ...erm i mean euro's aren't dominating either, every few months the titles change from one euro ....erm i mean bum to another

Wow, what insight. :-( That's the best you can do?

[RUSKULL]

:lol: People who question Lennox's or Wladimir's talent are well...you know:good

They just don't know jack about boxing. Lewis stands a great chance head to head vs. any HW in history bar none. He obviously is here to troll..................

[El Bombasto]

Audley Harrison. next question.

he said next black hope, not the next black gerry cooney

[brooklyn1550]

he said next black hope, not the next black gerry cooney

:lol:

Gerry Cooney KO1 Audley Harrison

[2smart4u]

:smoke There are plenty of BLACK KIDS with he talent to be champ ! My bet is he is right in front of our eyes and we are all missing him !:deal

[platnumpapi]

sam peter

[Decker]

You are partly on, and partly off. The Heavyweight division is only trashed because the USA is not dominating. the years it was so, the east Euros were not allowed to box as they are now. If Schmeling could Ko Lewis, and Johansson could KO Patterson as they did, their first match= so may have been said for these huge East Euros if they were allowed to be pros back then. The thread should not be the great BLACK hope,or WHITE.. it should be the great USA Hope. Environment is big= if Mayweather, or Pacman were raised in rural Vt, in the hills, the'd box like retarded snails Excellent points, except the "partly on" part in the beginning :yep For the first time in history boxing has become a world sport. And now that US fighters aren't dominating most divisions - and barely competitive at HW - the fighters are "no good". :verysad The twisted "logic" many use here is :nut and :?

Best current black HW is Peter. Few serious US HW threats of any ethnic background from the US.

[RUSKULL]

Excellent points, except the "partly on" part in the beginning :yep For the first time in history boxing has become a world sport. And now that US fighters aren't dominating most divisions - and barely competitive at HW - the fighters are "no good". :verysad The twisted "logic" many use here is :nut and :?

Best current black HW is Peter. Few serious US HW threats of any ethnic background from the US.

Good point. They aren't really any great white prospects in the USA at the moment either.

[buddynabuick]

I think you spectacularly missed the point of the guys post.

As for the 'Eurotrash' in the heavy division, remind where the last genuine heavyweight champ was from, please?



:good

[El Bombasto]

sam peter

if that's the case, then there is no hope

[swedeone]

I hoping that Peter rips Oleg a new one, and if that happens then you've got your black hope right there.



B-I-N-G-O

:good

[kirk]

aside from all the sensativity (guys... its a SAYING... get over it... you know what he ment, whos the next black champion going to be)

i think that the answer would be obvious to anyone, its peter. i hope hes able to, and i think he will, knock out oleg.

[Irländsk]

To the guy who answered Audley Harrison, he is he disgrace of the heavyweight division and should have retired as soon as he woke up after the Michael Sprott fight.

[box03]

Peter is going to rape Maskaev in this fight, his chin cant stand up to the awsome power of the nightmare they call Sam Peter.

[Decker]

Peter is going to rape Maskaev in this fight, his chin cant stand up to the awsome power of the nightmare they call Sam Peter.For Peter and his fans - more like East Euro haters - I hope so. If Peter struggles to win, never mind loses, to a 38 yr old with a so-so chin... :think won't look good for SP. Oleg might be the easiest of the 4 for him to defeat.

So far his "awsome" power has produced wins over china chinned J Williams, Sykes, other bums, and lard ass, way past it JT. He should have been able to TKO JT last time. I, and others, thought he might.

[box03]

For Peter and his fans - more like East Euro haters - I hope so. If Peter struggles to win, never mind loses, to a 38 yr old with a so-so chin... :think won't look good for SP. Oleg might be the easiest of the 4 for him to defeat.

So far his "awsome" power has produced wins over china chinned J Williams, Sykes, other bums, and lard ass, way past it JT. He should have been able to TKO JT last time. I, and others, thought he might. Toney has one of the best chins in all of boxing, and rarely caught flush because of his amazing ability to roll with punches. Most people thought that Peter couldnt win by decision too, but he he did just that. What can Oleg do to beat Peter, he dont have the power of Wlad or the boxing ability or chin of Toney. If Peter would happen to lose, the heavywieght division is in more trouble than I thought.

[rodney]

Joe Mesi ????

[Decker]

Toney has one of the best chins in all of boxing, and rarely caught flush because of his amazing ability to roll with punches. Most people thought that Peter couldnt win by decision too, but he he did just that. What can Oleg do to beat Peter, he dont have the power of Wlad or the boxing ability or chin of Toney. If Peter would happen to lose, the heavywieght division is in more trouble than I thought. box03 I just read one of your :tired "HW no good now" posts in another thread. Don't know why I still read your posts - it's like an infinite do loop w/you & others about the HWs. If you'd quit your hatin' for the current HWs I think you have enough boxing knowledge to contribute something besides calling Wlad a "fag". If you hate the current HW scene so much, why spend so much time on it? There are other weight classses with great fights coming up - Calzaghe-Kessler, Hatton-Mayweather, uh I mean Fatton-Gayweather... :-(

This is as good a time to say this as any. (half joking) When I first started reading ESB 3-4 years ago, I kept seeing various homo phrases used against fighters or other posters - Gayweather, Gay la Hoya, K bros, Lennox are gaaayyyyy, he he. I wondered if maybe this was a site for homo boxing fans :yep :lol: Seriously, I've been to many forums - sports and o/w - over the years, and this site has more fag references than any I've seen. There must be a tremendous amount of pent up hate for homosexuals among boxing fans... or are many boxing fans in the closet? :think

Any adult knows that while some gay men are effeminate, many are very masculine too. Just like some lezbos are "butch" and some are very feminine/womanly. I'd like to know how many ESB "tough guys" would call Wlad or Lennox a faggot in a dark alley, especially if they were having a bad day? :!: Yeah, right. Nobody, except someone very brave or foolish or well armed. :deal

[box03]

box03 I just read one of your :tired "HW no good now" posts in another thread. Don't know why I still read your posts - it's like an infinite do loop w/you & others about the HWs. If you'd quit your hatin' for the current HWs I think you have enough boxing knowledge to contribute something besides calling Wlad a "fag". If you hate the current HW scene so much, why spend so much time on it? There are other weight classses with great fights coming up - Calzaghe-Kessler, Hatton-Mayweather, uh I mean Fatton-Gayweather... :-(

This is as good a time to say this as any. (half joking) When I first started reading ESB 3-4 years ago, I kept seeing various homo phrases used against fighters or other posters - Gayweather, Gay la Hoya, K bros, Lennox are gaaayyyyy, he he. I wondered if maybe this was a site for homo boxing fans :yep :lol: Seriously, I've been to many forums - sports and o/w - over the years, and this site has more fag references than any I've seen. There must be a tremendous amount of pent up hate for homosexuals among boxing fans... or are many boxing fans in the closet? :think

Any adult knows that while some gay men are effeminate, many are very masculine too. Just like some lezbos are "butch" and some are very feminine/womanly. I'd like to know how many ESB "tough guys" would call Wlad or Lennox a faggot in a dark alley, especially if they were having a bad day? :!: Yeah, right. Nobody, except someone very brave or foolish or well armed. :deal Im joking around mostly about Wlad being gay even though its wierd you never see him with a girl and that fact the pictures he took with his brother naked were extremely gay. I just hate the fact that people give this guy so much credit for beating class C opposition as a champ, when the best oppenent he has beat is a boxing banker who loves tap dancing. My question to you is why think Wlad is such an amazing champ?

[box03]

too bad he isn't American. Anyones better than the champs we have now american or not.

[Feiti]

I think having a great variety of boxers in the heavyweight division makes it more interesting. This can mean variation in size, style and the looks of a boxer, where of course having a variety of heavyweights of different races will contribute to that. I guess this is one reason why people get bored with the division being dominated by mostly black boxers, like it was a while ago and start talking about a great white hope, or like now, when it´s mostly ruled by white boxers and there´s talk of a great black hope. It´s not so different from interest around Valuev, just because he´s so different in the way how he´s bigger than the other fighters.

I also think people of a certain race might relate more to a boxer of the same race. This isn´t the case for me though, but I could see how I´d root for a boxer who somehow belonged to the same group as I do. For example, since I´m Scandinavian, I could see how I would have gotten excited about Ingemar Johanson winning the title. Boxing might in that way be more popular if there are boxers from more ethnicities, groups and areas who are successful, since there will be a broader range of people to root for "their" boxer.

[Decker]

Im joking around mostly about Wlad being gay even though its wierd you never see him with a girl and that fact the pictures he took with his brother naked were extremely gay.
That's said about other athletes too. Hell, maybe he is gay. Is that so important? And don't say I'm overly pro gay - because I am not. Re nude pix w/his bro. Why is this so gay? :patsch You realize that half of the population are of the female variety (thank gawd) :yep Maybe they're intended mostly fo them. If some gay guys get a kick out of them, so what?

I just hate the fact that people give this guy so much credit for beating class C opposition as a champ, when the best oppenent he has beat is a boxing banker who loves tap dancing. My question to you is why think Wlad is such an amazing champ? This is the old dis the opposition to dis the man argument. Lame. If you think he's beaten C class fighters then we have nothing to discuss. When was this golden age of HWs? The 70s? :nut :lol:

Forget the fading Ali & Frazier, I've seen posters say that the Quarrys, Lyles, and Shavers could "clean out" todays HWs :nut :-( The only thing they'd need cleaned out would be the cobwebs in their brains after getting KTFO from recent/todays HWs. :yep

I'll probably repeat my argments for Wlad sooner or later - I just gave a hint above.

[Decker]

Feiti, careful your post #68 contained too much common sense. You see for many ESBers, the HW champs is supposed to be from one country and mainly one racial group. :verysad Else it's :|

[box03]

That's said about other athletes too. Hell, maybe he is gay. Is that so important? And don't say I'm overly pro gay - because I am not. Re nude pix w/his bro. Why is this so gay? :patsch You realize that half of the population are of the female variety (thank gawd) :yep Maybe they're intended mostly fo them. If some gay guys get a kick out of them, so what?

This is the old dis the opposition to dis the man argument. Lame. If you think he's beaten C class fighters then we have nothing to discuss. When was this golden age of HWs? The 70s? :nut :lol:

Forget the fading Ali & Frazier, I've seen posters say that the Quarrys, Lyles, and Shavers could "clean out" todays HWs :nut :-( The only thing they'd need cleaned out would be the cobwebs in their brains after getting KTFO from recent/todays HWs. :yep

I'll probably repeat my argments for Wlad sooner or later - I just gave a hint above. The fighters of the 70s and 90s were better than the fighters of now you would have to be blind not to see that. You cant tell me brewster or Austin are better than grade C fighters, I will say that brock may be a C+ but no better than that.

[Lacyace]

Feiti, careful your post #68 contained too much common sense. You see for many ESBers, the HW champs is supposed to be from one country and mainly one racial group. :verysad Else it's :|

And at least halfway decent. But meh.

[El Bombasto]

Toney has one of the best chins in all of boxing, and rarely caught flush because of his amazing ability to roll with punches. Most people thought that Peter couldnt win by decision too, but he he did just that. What can Oleg do to beat Peter, he dont have the power of Wlad or the boxing ability or chin of Toney. If Peter would happen to lose, the heavywieght division is in more trouble than I thought.

the heavyweight division is fine, but i hope for your sake that peter wins, because i wouldn't want to see you cry...

[TheGreat]

Evander Holyfield :lol:
:rofl :lol:

[box03]

the heavyweight division is fine, but i hope for your sake that peter wins, because i wouldn't want to see you cry... If Peter does lose I have no one to wish for anymore, besides Holyfield and even if he does beat Iggy I dont see him sticking around too long

[Grebfan9]

There are several black American heavyweights that are talented
and have the potential to move up the ranks:

1) Alonzo Butler 26-0-1, good power, hard jab, needs more experience.

2) Eric Boose 12-1-1, power puncher!!!

3) Kevin Johnson 16-0-1, has height, reach, speed, excellent jab.

4) Chazz Witherspoon, 19-0-0, very good boxing fundamentals, good power.


Of these four, I would say that Johnson and Witherspoon are the two
that will make their move in 2008.

Butler and Boose have talent, but I feel that they need a bit more
experience (fights)!!!

[T.S.]

Most fans picking Peter picked Rahman over Oleg in their rematch I'm sure and for the exact same reasons stated here.
If Oleg avoids Peter's rabbit punches, the over confident, over trained Peter (8 weeks training) is going to drop in the late rnds same as Rahman did.
I know y'all think I'm going out on a limb but I bet Oleg by late rnd TKO if he avoids illegal rabbit punch.
I'm calling the bookie now :lol: :good

[teekay00]

Floyd Mayweather Jr. will borrow some steroids from Roid Jones and get into the Heavyweight division and destroy everyone. This will put a new meaning to P4P champ and hopefully satisfy your obsession of the GREAT BLACK HOPE.

[Shamrock]

I think you spectacularly missed the point of the guys post.

As for the 'Eurotrash' in the heavy division, remind where the last genuine heavyweight champ was from, please?

The Ukraine :smoke

[Shamrock]

If Peter does lose I have no one to wish for anymore, besides Holyfield and even if he does beat Iggy I dont see him sticking around too long

Tua then, why not?

[Club Fighter]

My question is . . . What about the next ASIAN HW Champ???

[Snorkel]

The Ukraine :smoke

Comedian.

I know y'all think I'm going out on a limb but I bet Oleg by late rnd TKO if he avoids illegal rabbit punch.
I'm calling the bookie now :lol: :good

I really can't see Oleg stopping Peter.

Peter's got a much better chin than Rahman and Maskaev isn't Wlad when it comes to offence. On top of that, Oleg's own chin is far from granite. I wouldn't completely rule out a Maskaev TKO, but it's certainly not something I'd be putting any of my money on. Peter by mid to late stoppage for me.

[SteveO]

Floyd Mayweather Jr. will borrow some steroids from Roid Jones and get into the Heavyweight division and destroy everyone. This will put a new meaning to P4P champ and hopefully satisfy your obsession of the GREAT BLACK HOPE.

That is quite the avatar you've got.

[El Bombasto]

My question is . . . What about the next ASIAN HW Champ???

next?

[semichin]

the bums ...erm i mean euro's aren't dominating either, every few months the titles change from one euro ....erm i mean bum to another I wouldn't call alot of them bums...maybe the brit fans referr to your favorite USA HWts as bums too

[semichin]

the bums ...erm i mean euro's aren't dominating either, every few months the titles change from one euro ....erm i mean bum to another I wouldn't call alot of them bums...maybe the brit fans referr to your favorite USA HWts as bums too

[semichin]

when was the last time wlad lost his title?.....and, who did he ktfo to win it? Good pernt ( point ) :hi:

[semichin]

Excellent points, except the "partly on" part in the beginning :yep For the first time in history boxing has become a world sport. And now that US fighters aren't dominating most divisions - and barely competitive at HW - the fighters are "no good". :verysad The twisted "logic" many use here is :nut and :?

Best current black HW is Peter. Few serious US HW threats of any ethnic background from the US. :good

[semichin]

next? Okay, how's this for next..The Next great Arab HW ??:nut

[El Bombasto]

Okay, how's this for next..The Next great Arab HW ??:nut

Hossein Khosrow Ali Vaziri

and he's persian btw.....:lol:

[cuchulain]

Maybe the media can order a Black Russian? All jokes asside Peter will likely defeat Maskev.

He has a 50/50 chance.

[El Bombasto]

He has a 50/50 chance.

i'll give him better than 50-50, but that says more about the styles match-up and maskaev's relative age; than peter's 'skill'...

[Club Fighter]

next?

Don't count out the orientals, man. Don't look back cuz they're gaining on you.

[Feiti]

Don't count out the orientals, man. Don't look back cuz they're gaining on you.

Well since most oriental Asians and Latinos are somewhat smaller than people of European and African decent. They probably won´t have that many great heavyweigths, but will continue to dominate the lower weight classes. You never know though.

[Club Fighter]

Well since most oriental Asians and Latinos are somewhat smaller than people of European and African decent. They probably won´t have that many great heavyweigths, but will continue to dominate the lower weight classes. You never know though.

They got big orientals out there. The Yao Ming's of the world. Just you wait and see. They're in basketball and MMA. Once they put on a pair of boxing gloves, it's over! :cool:

[boxingcar]

There is no need for a "black hope", no need. Especially after Peter destroys Oleg in the ring.

That's as far as he'll go...no way this guy will ever unite the belts though.
+ he's not even american.

[box03]

That's as far as he'll go...no way this guy will ever unite the belts though.
+ he's not even american. In this era of Heavywieghts Peter has as good a chance as anyone to unite the belts.

[boxingcar]

In this era of Heavywieghts Peter has as good a chance as anyone to unite the belts.

No , and neither will wlad actually...
And this era is as good as any other eras.

Only difference is that eastern euro fighters aren't banned like they were back in america's "golden era" of boxing. You know the one....
in which you only had US vs US.

[box03]

No , and neither will wlad actually...
And this era is as good as any other eras.

Only difference is that eastern euro fighters aren't banned like they were back in america's "golden era" of boxing. You know the one....
in which you only had US vs US. Eastern europeans sucked back than, why in the the 60s and 70s did guys like Ali, Frazier, and Foreman win gold at the olympics. Our champs were real back then, now we have fighters like Brock who learned everything he knew from his dad who never boxed a day in his life and watched instructional videos on how to teach his son how to box. Yeah this era stacks up real well against the 70s and 90s, you ask the average person walking the street today who the champ is and they will probably say Holyfield or I dont know. Heavywieght boxing is going down hill, you got to be blind or retarded not realize that.

[boxingcar]

Eastern europeans sucked back than, why in the the 60s and 70s did guys like Ali, Frazier, and Foreman win gold at the olympics. Our champs were real back then, now we have fighters like Brock who learned everything he knew from his dad who never boxed a day in his life and watched instructional videos on how to teach his son how to box. Yeah this era stacks up real well against the 70s and 90s, you ask the average person walking the street today who the champ is and they will probably say Holyfield or I dont know. Heavywieght boxing is going down hill, you got to be blind or retarded not realize that.

No. That's wishfull thinking on your part.
The best eastern euro fighters used to be banned. big difference.
Check Foreman's record , check Ali's record...and see for yourself.
US vs US. that's what their record career is.

Back in the 60's...Ali had to fight a polish coffeehouse manager to win gold...
you know who that polish fighter was right?..Pietrzykowski

Before his fight against Ali , he wasn't even a silver medalist winner..
He won bronze in 56.
that's the best guy they could get back then.

and all the best talents used to get banned.

Take a look at Lennox Lewis's amateur record for a reality check and take a close look at all his losses...

[boxingcar]

you ask the average person walking the street today who the champ is and they will probably say Holyfield or I dont know. Heavywieght boxing is going down hill, you got to be blind or retarded not realize that.

Ask the same question outside of america and you'll get a different answer. chances are , kids know more about today's mma champs than boxing's anyway.

HW boxing is going downhill...well...true , down hill for americans that is.
ever since eatsern euros were allowed to participate , things have changed dramatically that's for sure.

like i said before , US vs US..but that was then...today , the competition is finally international.

[El Bombasto]

In this era of Heavywieghts Peter has as good a chance as anyone to unite the belts.

how could someone with 600+ posts here demonstrate so little knowledge about boxing?...get off peter's nuts already.

[semichin]

Hossein Khosrow Ali Vaziri

and he's persian btw.....:lol: Which is now Iran?? :think

[box03]

how could someone with 600+ posts here demonstrate so little knowledge about boxing?...get off peter's nuts already. Your just mad cause what Im saying is true, let me guess everytime Wlads on tv you drop down to your knees and imagine yourself giving him head. Aint you the same guy that said Fraizer would get torched by todays heavywieghts, your knowledge is obviously flawed.

[Decker]

Ask the same question outside of america and you'll get a different answer. chances are , kids know more about today's mma champs than boxing's anyway.

HW boxing is going downhill...well...true , down hill for americans that is.
ever since eatsern euros were allowed to participate , things have changed dramatically that's for sure.

like i said before , US vs US..but that was then...today , the competition is finally international. :good Good points. I've been saying & thinking the same for years. It's just that I joined up to post 2+ months ago.

The "HW no good now" :dead chorus has more than rose colored glasses on. I'm old enough to have watched tons of HW fights on the boob tube way back when (the only price you paid was watching the goofy ads between rounds - which was better than listening to nasal Cosell the entire fight :lol: ) The 70s was competitve - as it is now. Only bigots or those with too much nostalgia can think that those HWs would "clean out" todays big boys. The chinny Shavers (who I loved as a fighter because almost always somebody was getting KO'd) would have a hard time getting one belt these days. You could say he same for the Quarrys, Lyles, and yes even Frazier, who'd be under sized today.

The heyday of US vs US is ohvah. There are many reasons why US HWs are not doing too well these days. That the current HWs don't stack up to those of the past is not one of them :bart Think about it that, if the current HWs are not good, then it makes US HWs look that much worse ! :yep The current haters of the HW scene will put down anybody to disparage todays top HWs. :-( Why?

[El Bombasto]

Your just mad cause what Im saying is true, let me guess everytime Wlads on tv you drop down to your knees and imagine yourself giving him head. Aint you the same guy that said Fraizer would get torched by todays heavywieghts, your knowledge is obviously flawed.

didn't take much for you to resort to personal insults, how original.

[box03]

didn't take much for you to resort to personal insults, how original. You called me out saying I have no knowledge about boxing. Just because you dont agree with what I have to say doesnt automatically make me wrong, if you want me to explain my opinion more in depth just ask me. Thats try to agree to disagree.

[Decker]

Your just mad cause what Im saying is true, let me guess everytime Wlads on tv you drop down to your knees and imagine yourself giving him head. Aint you the same guy that said Fraizer would get torched by todays heavywieghts, your knowledge is obviously flawed. :lol: I don't know about "torched" but read what I said above ! Box, Joe would be under gunned today - and Joe was a slow starter. Forget big George, if the tough but limited Bonavena could almost stop Joe - ever see Ringo fight? - Joe just might get blasted Foreman style by current HWs. Most nites LL would easily beat Joe F.

Joe had tons of heart, but that can only take you so far when you're facing bigger guys with talent. :deal

You're a big Peter fan, a (nut)hugger as many say here. Now people will say I'm "hating" on smokin' Joe, but I think Frazier would have his hands full with Peter. I don't think Joe could stop Sam - he could win it, but he'd have to be at the top of his game. Joe was an entertaining fighter to watch. His style made for a short career too.

[box03]

:lol: I don't know about "torched" but read what I said above ! Box, Joe would be under gunned today - and Joe was a slow starter. Forget big George, if the tough but limited Bonavena could almost stop Joe - ever see Ringo fight? - Joe just might get blasted Foreman style by current HWs. Most nites LL would easily beat Joe F.

Joe had tons of heart, but that can only take you so far when you're facing bigger guys with talent. :deal

You're a big Peter fan, a (nut)hugger as many say here. Now people will say I'm "hating" on smokin' Joe, but I think Frazier would have his hands full with Peter. I don't think Joe could stop Sam - he could win it, but he'd have to be at the top of his game. Joe was an entertaining fighter to watch. His style made for a short career too. I understand what your saying but the majority of the heavywieght division is not what you would call skillful, yes there is exceptions like Wlad, Chagaev, and Toney. 2 out of the 4 title holders would get knocked out by any version of Frazier, Iggy and Maskaev our not good heavywieghts they just happend to be at the right place at the right time. Half of the top 20 our filled with guys 35 and older, that is obviously not a good sign. I just want to see the Heavywieght division go back to a time when everyone new who the heavywieght champ was, I really believe thats part of the reason why ufc has become so popular now.

[RUSKULL]

Feiti, careful your post #68 contained too much common sense. You see for many ESBers, the HW champs is supposed to be from one country and mainly one racial group. :verysad Else it's :|

Exactly. I co-sign :thumbsup