How would've Hatton fared against Malignaggi and Pac with Billy Graham?

[G.A.V.]

Though making no excuses for his loss against Pacquiao, because I think that was coming either way, but was Hatton further distracted for his fights due to the change in trainer and his corner than he would of been had he stayed with Graham?

I'm watching the Hatton/Mayweather 24/7 now and before the Mayweather fight, there doesn't really seem to be problems with Hatton/Graham, but it seems when that loss came, Hatton dropped Graham to try and train as a world level fighter, and that's fair enough but he couldn't adapt and when it was put up or shut up time, he lost all he'd learnt, got tangled up and tried to trade without any ammo in his gun and got demolished by the Pacman. Had he not gone with Mayweather Sr. and all the chaos in the corner not developed, would that and the Paulie fight be a different case?

Personally, I do think that fight with Mayweather took away something from him, which was made abundantly clear when he was shaken by Lazcano and couldn't put him away as he would've a few year back. However, when he stepped in with Paulie and had Mayweather Sr. in his corner, it looked as if he'd learnt something he'd need for a megafight that he didn't have for Mayweather, but it just seemed to be an illusion due to Paulie apparently fighting uncomfortably rather than Hatton adapting, and when it came to the big one, Hatton lost a strategy that he wouldn't of lost had he stayed with Graham in my opening. I'm not doubting Hatton wouldn't have rushed in, but I think he could have lasted a little longer, which is strange to say, but I think it would of been a closer fight with Paulie, possibly even having him lose if Malignaggi was truly flustered by Hatton's change in fighting rather than what he was being taught by McGirt, but against Pac he wouldn't have the added ingredient of losing his new gameplan next to his patience and head. I don't think Hatton would of ever beaten Mayweather, that's for certain because he just wasn't on that elite level, but the new things he was being taught was simply too late in his career to reclaim his status as world level fighter.

Anyway, had Hatton stayed with Graham, I think the corner would of been a little more stable, and maybe Hatton wouldn't of rushed in with something unfamiliar he had no idea to fall back on if he'd lost his head, if that makes any sort of sense. Hatton going in with the wrong gameplan and thinking it would work is better than him going in with something that could work and he throws out the window to... not even go back to his old style, per say, but just try to knockout his opponent with nothing to do so. He seemed like a man lost between two worlds, and however defensive it seems of me for Hatton, I do believe there were factors in that fight that caused the devastating knockout, but I wouldn't say they weren't Hatton's fault, just not down to his boxing skills per say.

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they same as he did without graham

[GazOC]

they same as he did without graham

Pretty much!!!:good

[Dunky McCafferty]

Hatton would have fared better against Pac if he had kept to Billy Graham. Im on record here saying that Floyd snr was the worst career move Hatton could ever make.
Floyd jnr's father is an egomaniac who ruined Hatton. I mean, does anyone remember those clips on 24/7 when Floyd was almost killing Ricky with the medicine ball?
Poor Ricky was screaming with pain as that moron threw crushing blow after blow on his stomach.

Watch it, & come back & tell me how that was doing Ricky any good. IMO, he was just weakening the man.

[kosaros]

Hatton would have fared better against Pac if he had kept to Billy Graham. Im on record here saying that Floyd snr was the worst career move Hatton could ever make.
Floyd jnr's father is an egomaniac who ruined Hatton. I mean, does anyone remember those clips on 24/7 when Floyd was almost killing Ricky with the medicine ball?
Poor Ricky was screaming with pain as that moron threw crushing blow after blow on his stomach.

Watch it, & come back & tell me how that was doing Ricky any good. IMO, he was just weakening the man.

:lol:

[Farmboxer]

Well, since Billy Graham will be 91 years old this Oct., I think they would beat him. Billy Graham is tall, but he has been preaching for many years now, never has had a single fight. LOL! (Joke)

[SouthpawSlayer]

pac ko 3 hatton with graham

[Grant1]

Ricky looked good aganist Paulie, so don't really know.

However, I'm convinced he wouldn't have had his hands as low vs Pac with Billy training him.

[Beeston Brawler]

I think he would have beaten Paulie quicker rather than being more patient.

As for Pacquiao, who knows?

He wouldn't have looked half dead at the weigh-in for starters :lol:

Would probably still get KTFO, in brutal fashion.

[Mazallan]

He would have beaten Malinfaggi ok then got destroyed by Pac. The guy found his level at the top level by getting dounced by Mayweather and Pac. Good champion below the elite though.

[mrbassie]

losing kayes was much more of an issue than graham imo

[Brick-Top]

he'd have stopped malignaggi within 7 or 8 imo, against Manny, well the loss would always come but maybe in a less brutal fashion. With Graham in the camp there would have been alot less tension in the camp so Hatton wouldnt have felt vunerable going into the ring chasing the one big shot.

[Beeston Brawler]

I think there was a battle of wills between Lee Beard and Floyd sr. When Graham was in camp he was the man in charge.

[duranimal]

Absolutly no diff what so ever, you can't tell Hatton fuck-all, listen's too no one & so he'd still make a right cunt of himself against Pacman:smoke

[Dan684]

If Hatton has of stayed with Graham and Kayes, he wouldn't have looked so comfortable against Malignaggi but would have done a little better against Pac.

He would have looked as good 'a' boxer as he did in the mallignaggi fight but he'd have been a lot stronger physically than he was for the Pac fight.

[warrior85]

i think with billy & kayes he'd have got pauilie out of there in 8/9 rounds


not sure against pac,but i doubt he would got flattened in 2

[Dan684]

He wouldn't have got Paulie out of there. No way whatsoever

[NO MAS]

He was always gonna have an easy session against the Magic Man... The Magic Man went to the well against Cotto and was never gonna be able to dig out a performance like that to get past Hatton...:yep

I think if Billy Graham would have been with Hatton it would have made no difference to the outcome of that contest...:yep

He probably would have encouraged him not to take the Pac Man fight the way he encouraged him not to take the PBF fight because he knew what the outcome would be....:think

[Betty Swollocks]

would've got his clock cleaned with or without graham.......not in the same class of fighter as Pac and with a glass chin it spelt disaster.
The fraud was exposed once and for all in that fight.
When did Pac last beat up and bang someone out like that? :lol:

[yesihavearm2]

would've got his clock cleaned with or without graham.......not in the same class of fighter as Pac and with a glass chin it spelt disaster.
The fraud was exposed once and for all in that fight.
When did Pac last beat up and bang someone out like that? :lol:

Exactly what I have been saying, hell David Diaz lasted 3 times longer LOL

[TFFP]

I thought Malignaggi was 'Hatton back to his best', or close. Infact many said he was even improved in his boxing skills in that fight. That is what people were preaching prior to him fighting Pacquiao, as justification for picking him despite him looking bad against Lazcano.

As it happens I think Hatton would have done that to Malignaggi anytime in hindsight because he's got no power and Hatton doesn't even have to worry about anything except steam rolling him.

Problem is he did the same thing against Pac except the shots that Malignaggi caught him with in the first few rounds had no effect whereas Pacquiao's...

I think Hatton was somewhat arrogant in his mindset where he thought just because he's bigger and stronger he can just run over Pacquiao. I doubt that would be any different with Graham because that is basically what Hatton does.

[Betty Swollocks]

Exactly what I have been saying, hell David Diaz lasted 3 times longer LOL

most of the British huggers dont want to listen.
And when you then ask them when did Floyd last beat up and drop someone like he did Hatton, they definitely don't reply. :lol::lol:
not like it's a 1 off this Hatton getting fucked up and banjoed.

[Dan684]

^^^ No it happened twice :-(

[SouthpawSlayer]

when hatton annonces his next fight there is gonna be more of these bs threads claiming with his new trainer and witout floyd senior he will be so much better

[GazOC]

when hatton annonces his next fight there is gonna be more of these bs threads claiming with his new trainer and witout floyd senior he will be so much better

And a pound to a piece of shit most of them will be started by 'haters'.

[SouthpawSlayer]

And a pound to a piece of shit most of them will be started by 'haters'.

:huh

[GazOC]

:huh

"Look what delusional Wicky has said now..." and variations on that theme.

[SouthpawSlayer]

yeah sounds like a good idea

cheers

[GazOC]

yeah sounds like a good idea

cheers

Have fun.:roll:

[SouthpawSlayer]

i can guarantee only if ricky pulls p4p title card will i start the hating apart from that id rather see him make a comeback at 147

[Dan684]

Am I the only one who thinks with Graham in his corner he'd have done better against Pac (still lost) but struggled more against Paulie (still won) ?

[GazOC]

Paulie was just a good match up for Hatton, I'm not sure the trainer was that important at all.

[djoc175]

Am I the only one who thinks with Graham in his corner he'd have done better against Pac (still lost)
What makes you think that?As far as I could see,Hatton fought the fight Graham would have enouraged him to

[Dan684]

The reason I thnk that DJOC/Gaz is because Hatton did box better against Paulie not doubt about it, but with Graham I see him having a tendency to try and rush in instead of proving that he has made changes with Joy. I defo don't think with Graham he'd have gotten Paulie outta there by K/O. PM is a tough SOB and in all probablity was unlucky to have been pulled out when he was hardly taking punishment.

With Pac though I know he fought his fight 'Graham Style' but he hadn't been trained that way. He basically ignored everything he'd been doing with Joy at least if he'd have trained for 3 months solid to go out that way he would have faired a little better. Ultimately though if he'd have been with Graham he'd have been with Kayes who would have made sure he was as strong as humanly possible. No doubting in my opinion had he been with Graham/Kayes he'd have lasted a few rounds longer at least.

[TFFP]

No he would have got KTFO the same. His style involves walking into punches and he couldn't walk through Pac's. He couldn't exactly train himself to take those shots and nor could Graham take them for him.

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is this thread still going

[G.A.V.]

and with a glass chin it spelt disaster
I've heard a lot about you.

You're a bad poster.

[GazOC]

You're a bad poster.

He's not even that good.

[G.A.V.]

He's not even that good.
Who, Hatton or Swollocks?

[GazOC]

The prank monkey, Betty.

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Who, Hatton or Swollocks?


:lol:

[nickythekid]

i think he would have gone more on the attack with mallagnagi, boxing his way in yes but more aggressive, dont reckon he would have stopped him coz paulie is tough i still say he gets well beat by pacquiao but he didn't look physically right in my eyes, think he missed kerry kayes more than graham. watching back when he was on the domestic scene coming up, he was a great watch, exciting fighter

[jimmy kerr]

watch the kostya tyzue fight and how hatton fights, i think that game plan would have giv pacman a little more to think about. and as for paulie hatton is just better and stronger. he is custom made for hatton, yet a top class fighter

[achillesthegreat]

Strategically, FM changed Hatton but technically he did zilch. FM didn't implement any strategy Hatton hadn't done before i.e. v Magee. I wanted to see Hatton's technique change i.e. chin down, hands up, more grounded as a fighter etc None of that changed so I see FM as useless.

[brown bomber]

Hatton was caught between styles Vs Pac he didn't know whether he wanted to box and move or fight on the inside. In hindsight he should have gambled with the style that beat Tszyu. He'd never have outboxed pac in a month of sundays.

[BIG WORM]

Hatton was caught between styles Vs Pac he didn't know whether he wanted to box and move or fight on the inside. In hindsight he should have gambled with the style that beat Tszyu. He'd never have outboxed pac in a month of sundays.

I think he would have beaten pac, or had a FAT chance of beating him in 04-05, he ain't the same fighter anymore!!!... he used to be more fluid and agile, and smooth about things, he could set things up better and cut off the ring.. .