UFC in big trouble with their battle against Manny Pacquiao on November 14th [Archive]

buxzer

09-07-2009, 04:35 AM

UFC in big trouble with their battle against Manny Pacquiao on November 14th

On November 14th the UFC and Manny Pacquiao are going head to head in the second installment of boxing vs. MMA 2009. And as of this moment, the UFC is in big trouble. With about 2 months left, all signs point to Pacquiao winning by an early round KO over the UFC...

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eze

09-07-2009, 04:37 AM

tthe UFC card is quite weak.

Pac vs Floyd to compare to UFC's strongest card would be something to write about.

UFC 105 is weak.

buxzer

09-07-2009, 04:41 AM

Boxing's Floyd-JMM tuneup, mismatch fight is expected to have a tight battle for PPV buys against UFC 103 headline by Rich Franklin vs. Vitor Belfort fight on the night of September 19...
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G.A.V.

09-07-2009, 04:44 AM

Their biggest up and coming card is 104, which is lucky to not be challenged. I dunno if I could've picked between Pacquiao/Cotto and Machida/Rua.

Well, I would of easily picked Pac and Cotto and taped Machida/Rua but the point still stands.

buxzer

09-07-2009, 04:53 AM

tthe UFC card is quite weak.

Pac vs Floyd to compare to UFC's strongest card would be something to write about.

UFC 105 is weak.

Maybe UFC conceded that they can't do battle against a Pacquiao headlined boxing PPV card...;)
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H .

09-07-2009, 04:55 AM

UFC should get its ass kicked come Nov 14th

buxzer

09-07-2009, 05:00 AM

DobyZhee

09-07-2009, 05:12 AM

I predict UFC will go all out blitz against Pac-Cotto. they got something up their sleeve

buxzer

09-07-2009, 05:15 AM

UFC should get its ass kicked come Nov 14th

I expect that too...
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boxbox

09-07-2009, 05:19 AM

Lets not be bothered by which event is going to be a blockbuster. Its not like we're promoting the fights. we should be happy since live stream will be much faster having the fans divided watching their own preference=)

simon850

09-07-2009, 05:20 AM

I hope UFC loses everytime to boxing. UFC is no where near on the same level as boxing as a sport.

make_the_weight

09-07-2009, 05:23 AM

Pac-cotto anytime mayn!

Jeff Young

09-07-2009, 05:30 AM

UFC sucks donkey dick

SouthpawSlayer

09-07-2009, 05:31 AM

the ufc is free to air so they cant really lose

Rooney

09-07-2009, 05:40 AM

Boxing's Floyd-JMM tuneup, mismatch fight is expected to have a tight battle for PPV buys against UFC 103 headline by Rich Franklin vs. Vitor Belfort fight on the night of September 19...
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All you do is google all day. :rofl

buxzer

09-07-2009, 05:45 AM

All you do is google all day. :rofl

Anything you can contribute about the topic?? :huh
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Ringnut

09-07-2009, 05:52 AM

I wonder that UFC's equivalent to Pac-Mayweather would be? Fedor-Lesnar?

Vengeance

09-07-2009, 06:27 AM

Little Tyson

09-07-2009, 06:31 AM

I like the UFC but love boxing. Its good to see UFC doing well but id much rather boxing whoop its ass every time.

knockoutpower

09-07-2009, 06:34 AM

put pacman vs cotto against lesner vs carwin..then lets see..

Vengeance

09-07-2009, 06:35 AM

I think Floyd vs JMM will sell more PPV's than UFC 103. I may be wrong, but I just think with the strong Mexican boxing fanbase backing Marquez and a general public interest in seeing Mayweather's first fight back from retirement, it will generate more buys than UFC 103, which has a very weak overall card, especially the shitty main event.

buxzer

09-07-2009, 06:40 AM

This thread = FAIL

UFC 105 is held in England. So that means the live broadcast will be in the afternoon in the United States. So it is not actually in direct competition with Pac vs Cotto at all. And it is not even a PPV. It's free on Spike TV.

Dana White isn't that stupid. He'll battle Floyd vs JMM, but he knows better than to do such a thing against Pac vs Cotto. And yes the UFC 105 card is very weak at the moment, but the main event has yet to be named.

Did you read the linked articles at all??... The author mentioned all of that including UFC 105 venue... The author further indicated that UFC 105 will be aired in the US on tape delay...

The author just pointed out that UFC can't do battle with boxing on Nov. 14th even if it plan to compete at all...;)
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PH|LLA

09-07-2009, 08:41 AM

they could put Fedor vs Lesnar and it still wouldn't beat Pac vs Cotto

Critic

09-07-2009, 08:50 AM

buxzer

09-07-2009, 08:54 AM

great article.thankz bro.. +10 points for boxing..:good

It's all good for boxing Pre...
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Rooney

09-07-2009, 09:03 AM

great article.thankz bro.. +10 points for boxing..:good

How is it a great article.:rofl

The title said UFC in trouble with their battle against PAC V COTTO :rofl

How can it be in trouble when both events aint even running at the same time:lol:

Also is the UFC a PPV event????????

Rooney

09-07-2009, 09:04 AM

they could put Fedor vs Lesnar and it still wouldn't beat Pac vs Cotto

I think your getting carried away,:think

buxzer

09-07-2009, 09:25 AM

I think your getting carried away,:think

UFC President Dana White once said....

.... there was only one boxer he's feared battling head-to-head and that was Oscar De La Hoya. He mentioned Pacman is the only other guy that he'd would have second thoughts about counterprogramming...

:hi:

Bodysnatcher

09-07-2009, 09:51 AM

Seems like that UFC is more for the UK market.

Both the fall clashes with UFC and boxing PPVs have fairly weak UFC cards.

Bodysnatcher

09-07-2009, 09:52 AM

they could put Fedor vs Lesnar and it still wouldn't beat Pac vs Cotto

Sadly, I'm not so sure about that.

Addie

09-07-2009, 09:57 AM

GcIII

09-07-2009, 10:06 AM

I like it how all credit is going to Manny Pacquiao. Silly Pactards. There are other fighters on that bill you know, namely Miguel Cotto - who will have a huge following going to the fight too. :verysad

There is a reason Pacquiao reportedly gets 65% share. If PPV fails, he gets all the demerits as well just like Floyd.

Addie

09-07-2009, 10:06 AM

There is a reason Pacquiao reportedly gets 65% share. If PPV fails, he gets all the demerits as well just like Floyd.

Irrelevant.

GcIII

09-07-2009, 10:07 AM

Irrelevant.

It has sense.

Blue_Ray

09-07-2009, 10:19 AM

I'm not bothered by this as UFC is aired free in the Philippines. They also replay it 3 times a week.

sinner78

09-07-2009, 10:21 AM

UFC 105 is nice for the British fans. Probably has less appeal elsewhere.

Blue_Ray

09-07-2009, 10:21 AM

I like it how all credit is going to Manny Pacquiao. Silly Pactards. There are other fighters on that bill you know, namely Miguel Cotto - who will have a huge following going to the fight too. :verysadPac carries the fight because he is boxing's #1 P4P while Cotto is #8. Any fight that Pac promotes is certified gold at turnstile.

Addie

09-07-2009, 10:26 AM

Pac carries the fight because he is boxing's #1 P4P while Cotto is #8. Any fight that Pac promotes is certified gold at turnstile.

Oscar De La Hoya would sell more tickets than Pacquiao even if he wasn't rated on the P4P list. It has nothing to do with it.

I have no issues with attributing a lot of the sales to Manny Pacquiao, but Miguel Cotto is his opponent - and he brings a lot to table aswell.

buxzer

09-07-2009, 10:34 AM

UFC 105 is nice for the British fans. Probably has less appeal elsewhere.

Definitely... since it will be held in the UK... British fans also likes Bisping ;) who will probably headlined UFC 105...
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chatty

09-07-2009, 10:34 AM

49 year old Ray Mercer destroyed Tim Sylvia - one of UFCs top boys and that shows you how skilled that sport is. Mercer was excellent in his day but imagine what would happen to him if he got in the ring with the klitchkos now. I know there boring but i would still bet theyd do a number on Mercer now.

buxzer

09-07-2009, 10:42 AM

I like it how all credit is going to Manny Pacquiao. Silly Pactards. There are other fighters on that bill you know, namely Miguel Cotto - who will have a huge following going to the fight too. :verysad

Of course, it takes 2 to tango... but definitely the main man is Pacquiao...;)
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RSBonos

09-07-2009, 10:56 AM

Dana White isn't that stupid. He'll battle Floyd vs JMM, bu

Not really, UFC 103 is a weak card for the casual fans. Its decent for the hardcore fans.

buxzer

09-07-2009, 10:59 AM

This thread = FAIL

UFC 105 is held in England. So that means the live broadcast will be in the afternoon in the United States. So it is not actually in direct competition with Pac vs Cotto at all. And it is not even a PPV. It's free on Spike TV.

Dana White isn't that stupid. He'll battle Floyd vs JMM, but he knows better than to do such a thing against Pac vs Cotto. And yes the UFC 105 card is very weak at the moment, but the main event has yet to be named.

UFC President Dana White once said....

.... there was only one boxer he's feared battling head-to-head and that was Oscar De La Hoya. He mentioned Pacman is the only other guy that he'd would have second thoughts about counterprogramming...

:hi:

fatcity

09-07-2009, 11:19 AM

Pac-Cotto $49.95
UFC 105 Free
Argument Ridiculous

The true yardstick who wins comes Sept.19.:deal

Bad_Intentions

09-07-2009, 11:19 AM

Pac>UFC :deal.

MrPR

09-07-2009, 11:59 AM

UFC has a lot of balls to even think of competiting with Cotto vs.PAC

truushot

09-07-2009, 12:46 PM

they could put Fedor vs Lesnar and it still wouldn't beat Pac vs Cotto

Something that most people here might not realize is that most fans and a lot of huge UFC fans just don't know who Fedor is. My buddy is a HUGE UFC fan. When I saw bodog running a line on a fedor vs lesnar fight, I emailed him about it. He was vaguely aware of Fedor and his thoughts where that Lesnar would kill him. So if real UFC fans are only vaguely aware of Fedor, without a lot of money spent on advertising, this wouldn't be that big of a fight.

am0kgonzo

09-07-2009, 12:53 PM

This thread is fucking retarded.

Wow, so one of the biggest fights that can be made in boxing will pull bigger numbers than 1 of 20 cards UFC does in a year? Fucking mindblowing!

jimmie

09-07-2009, 01:43 PM

The UFC will do just fine in November 14th they have a free card noboddy knows who the main event is right now but Dana always has something up his sleeve.

rekcutnevets

09-07-2009, 02:19 PM

How does this shit keep ending up in the mma forum? If it originated in the general, it belongs in the general. It's not like it's Strikeforce vs UFC productions, Boxing makes up half the thread topic.

Rattler

09-07-2009, 02:58 PM

I like the UFC but love boxing. Its good to see UFC doing well but id much rather boxing whoop its ass every time.

Then you don't really like the UFC. If you did, you'd want to see it do as well as possible, even if boxing does better from time to time.

AJAX

09-07-2009, 02:59 PM

I thing hardcore boxing fans that hate MMA are seeing the success mma is having and go on a witch hunt in the general forum looking for support from each other.

Rattler

09-07-2009, 02:59 PM

UFC President Dana White once said....

.... there was only one boxer he's feared battling head-to-head and that was Oscar De La Hoya. He mentioned Pacman is the only other guy that he'd would have second thoughts about counterprogramming...

:hi:

Wow. One boxer who's worth the effort of worrying about. That clearly shows that boxing dominates the UFC.

AJAX

09-07-2009, 03:05 PM

Wow. One boxer who's worth the effort of worrying about. That clearly shows that boxing dominates the UFC.

Yep, ODL was the big ppv draw for boxing Pac has certainly raised his stock from his last 2 fights and might get some bigger numbers.

cotto and even PBF arn't huge draws and not to mention boxing events are mostly just 1 fight draws as opposed to UFC who try to put on a good card as a whole.

Vengeance

09-07-2009, 03:19 PM

UFC President Dana White once said....

.... there was only one boxer he's feared battling head-to-head and that was Oscar De La Hoya. He mentioned Pacman is the only other guy that he'd would have second thoughts about counterprogramming...

:hi:

You do realize that you just made my argument for me right? You claim the UFC is battling Pac, but now you're agreeing with me that White wouldn't counterprogram Pac directly. Well, uhm... which is it? Thanks for making my argument for me though.. I thought you were supposed to argue my point, not agree with it. :nut

A UFC event for free on Spike, held in the UK, with a start time probably at least 5 hours before the start time for the Pac/Cotto card... that is not a "battle". And even if you consider airing the UFC event on tape delay as a "battle" ... well if the "battle" is purely based on how many people will be watching, then I actually think there will be more people watching the free UFC card than people paying $50 for the Pac fight. Either way, the UFC is far from in trouble like you are trying to argue.

If the UFC card was on PPV or if it was actually live being aired side to side with Pac vs Cotto, then you would have an argument. But since it's not, you don't.

:hi:

buxzer

09-07-2009, 07:58 PM

You do realize that you just made my argument for me right? You claim the UFC is battling Pac, but now you're agreeing with me that White wouldn't counterprogram Pac directly. Well, uhm... which is it? Thanks for making my argument for me though.. I thought you were supposed to argue my point, not agree with it. :nut

A UFC event for free on Spike, held in the UK, with a start time probably at least 5 hours before the start time for the Pac/Cotto card... that is not a "battle". And even if you consider airing the UFC event on tape delay as a "battle" ... well if the "battle" is purely based on how many people will be watching, then I actually think there will be more people watching the free UFC card than people paying $50 for the Pac fight. Either way, the UFC is far from in trouble like you are trying to argue.

If the UFC card was on PPV or if it was actually live being aired side to side with Pac vs Cotto, then you would have an argument. But since it's not, you don't.

:hi:

Huh? :huh There's no more competition between boxing and MMA on which sport discipline gets the bigger audience??:huh

Any boxing card and MMA card held on the same day will be considered a battle of boxing vs. MMA... Even fight cards held on different dates were compared just to discuss on who has the greater fans following...

On November 14, it seems MMA conceded that they can't compete with the PAC-Cotto PPV card... :hi:

Unlike this coming September 19 where the expected boring Floyd-JMM tuneup, mismatch fight will have tight competition from UFC 103...
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Big T

09-08-2009, 10:02 AM

Most MMA fans would take Machida-Rua over the Pac fight...But Boxing/MMA fans even I am going to take this Pac vs Cotto fight over almost anything that the UFC put out that day.

The Mighty One

09-08-2009, 10:27 AM

I have decided to go fishing on both days. More people fish on any given day than watch the biggest UFC event and boxing events combined.

cdnboxing

09-08-2009, 09:28 PM

put pacman vs cotto against lesner vs carwin..then lets see..

I really dont think anybody cares about Shane Carwin.

cdnboxing

09-08-2009, 09:31 PM

How come every card in Europe is so bad?

Is it because the great fighters dont want to fight in Europe and get 250,000 buys and make absolute crap money as a result? Thats what Penn said.

cdnboxing

09-08-2009, 09:37 PM

Something that most people here might not realize is that most fans and a lot of huge UFC fans just don't know who Fedor is. My buddy is a HUGE UFC fan. When I saw bodog running a line on a fedor vs lesnar fight, I emailed him about it. He was vaguely aware of Fedor and his thoughts where that Lesnar would kill him. So if real UFC fans are only vaguely aware of Fedor, without a lot of money spent on advertising, this wouldn't be that big of a fight.

Fedor/Lesnar wouldnt do more than Couture/Lesnar.