Bret Rogers vs Fedor....This is an intriguing fight!

[Big N Bad]

I feel that most of the ppl on this forum are against this fight happening.
When the barnett fight was cancelled, there was talk of fedor possibly fighting vitor belfort or bret rogers.

As much as i would have wanted to see vitor square up against the man they call "the last emperor" i would still have picked bret rogers as fedors opponent and i aint sayin im an expert but i know my mma. this guy destroyed arlovski in 20 seconds, and has battered all 10 opponents into submission

We know plenty about vitor, he can hold his own against fedor in every situation, apart from being overpowered.

The roger fight is very dangerous imo. bret is really an unknown quantity. we dont know how good he can be. its rare for fedor to force the takedown before exchanging, thats why i think this roger has a chance.

Fedor is by far the better fight, he has more skill etc, but this is a fight, anything can happen and rogers has some SERIOUS punching power

All im saying is, this is was a good fight out there for fedor to take, im glad he took it. expect anything.

[Rattler]

Intriguing... until Fedor takes him down within a minute and makes him tap.

[radab]

I always get very nervous when Fedor's about to fight, for one punch can be all it takes. I'd be devastated to see him lose

[achillesthegreat]

What is intriguing about this? Rogers is undefeated with power. It's sounds pretty but he has a punchers chance, if that. Arlovski, CroCop etc all have good power and their punchers chance failed. Rogers has nothing for Fedor.

I want to see Fedor against the best at something i.e. Wrestlers - Brock and Couture, Submissions - Mir etc etc etc I say this because I don't think there are any real complete heavyweights, not in the mould of GSP, Silva or Penn. Not that I can think of really.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

I just don't see it. I guess you could say that about anyone who hits hard, but I just don't see it in this fight. If Fedor loses to Rogers, then I have to seriously re-evaluate Fedor.

[scurlaruntings]

I just don't see it. I guess you could say that about anyone who hits hard, but I just don't see it in this fight. If Fedor loses to Rogers, then I have to seriously re-evaluate Fedor.HOW? Seriously are you kidding me? So bearing in mind Fedor's glorious career in a sport whereby your run can be halted by a variety of diffrent means you'd then think its practical to reevaluate his career?!?!? Are you serious?

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

HOW? Seriously are you kidding me? So bearing in mind Fedor's glorious career in a sport whereby your run can be halted by a variety of diffrent means you'd then think its practical to reevaluate his career?!?!? Are you serious?
Where did I say I would re-evaluate his career? Clearly he has accomplished a great deal to this point. That can't be taken away from him. However, if he does lose to Rogers... I will definitely re-evaluate exactly how great I think that Fedor the fighter actually is. That doesn't take away from what he has done in his career... it would be putting how great he is as a fighter today into perspective. If Fedor is as great as I think he is, no way Rogers beats him. Not standing, and definitely not on the ground. If you are going to be considered the greatest of all time, you have to be held to certain standards.... which include things like not losing to Brett Rogers.

[Kestrel]

Where did I say I would re-evaluate his career? Clearly he has accomplished a great deal to this point. That can't be taken away from him. However, if he does lose to Rogers... I will definitely re-evaluate exactly how great I think that Fedor the fighter actually is. That doesn't take away from what he has done in his career... it would be putting how great he is as a fighter today into perspective. If Fedor is as great as I think he is, no way Rogers beats him. Not standing, and definitely not on the ground. If you are going to be considered the greatest of all time, you have to be held to certain standards.... which include things like not losing to Brett Rogers.

This is a very difficult sport to go undefeated, esp as long as Fedor has gone. Brett Rogers has that kind of power that can just end a fight early. If MMA has 10 seconds knockdown count, I say Fedor would beat Rogers every time, but because it doesn't, a fighter like Rogers can still upset any one, even if it's the GOAT.

It could be a fluke like GSP vs Serra I.

[radab]

You couldnt see Anderson Silva taking a KO shot from ANYONE. Fedor's not got that almost invincibilie aura about him, he's vurnerable

[québecwarrior]

You couldnt see Anderson Silva taking a KO shot from ANYONE. Fedor's not got that almost invincibilie aura about him, he's vurnerable
What? put him in a fight with Melvin Manhoef, and say that he is not vulnerable again.

[québecwarrior]

Putting Demian Maia or Palhares vs Silva, and you got the same chance of an upset but on the ground this time, not standing.

[radab]

What? put him in a fight with Melvin Manhoef, and say that he is not vulnerable again.



Thats puting Anderson in with one of the best strikers in MMA

Rogers or Arlovski are no where near on Manhoef's level, yet the vurnerability is there

[Weber]

Fedor isn't stupid though. He'll know how to avoid and counteract Rogers' best weapons. I give Rogers a 5-10% chance of beating Fedor, tops.

[Monoxide]

It seems like Fedor likes to be fighters at their own games. This could cause a problem but probably won't

[jimmie]

Thats puting Anderson in with one of the best strikers in MMA

Rogers or Arlovski are no where near on Manhoef's level, yet the vurnerability is there

Arlovski was number 2 before and after the Fedor fight for a reason. Arlovski is a good fighter but of course he has a bad chin but who in recent years has KOed Arlovski ? Sylvia (know as a puncher), Fedor (not a KO artist but has a history of hurting people) and now Rogers who has finished every single one his opponets. Cleary the guy can crack there is no getting around it.

[300press]

Is Brett Rogers a black belt in Jui Jitsu? Does he have a ground game? NO.

He will be submitted, Fedor has beaten guys that hit harder than him Cro Cop (prime), Mark Hunt :good and Sammy Shilt. Fedor isn't stupid, he will play possum then boom rear naked or Kimura from side mount.

[Beebs]

It's less intriguing than the Lindland fight; it's completly below the level of fight Fedor should be fighting.

[ike61]

Arlovski was number 2 before and after the Fedor fight for a reason. Arlovski is a good fighter but of course he has a bad chin but who in recent years has KOed Arlovski ? Sylvia (know as a puncher), Fedor (not a KO artist but has a history of hurting people) and now Rogers who has finished every single one his opponets. Cleary the guy can crack there is no getting around it.
Is there a heavyweight in MMA that can't hit hard?

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

It's less intriguing than the Lindland fight; it's completly below the level of fight Fedor should be fighting.
Exactly.

[jimmie]

Is there a heavyweight in MMA that can't hit hard?

Probablly not but not everyone has a undeafted record and KOed everyone one of its opponets.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Probablly not but not everyone has a undeafted record and KOed everyone one of its opponets.
Looking at most of Rogers opponents.... it isn't surprising that he knocked them all out, tbh. Give him credit for the Arlovski win, but knocking out Arlovski isn't exactly something newly discovered. It was AA's 6th time being knocked out and he was coming off of his brutal knockout loss to Fedor.

Look at this Roger's highlight.... look at his opponents...

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[jimmie]

Them guys are hillarious looking.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Them guys are hillarious looking.
1st guy is Earl Guida. Clay's fat older brother who loves Guns -N- Roses.

2nd guy is Teen Wolf after he let himself go.

3rd guy is Sean Gannon's younger, fatter brother Al Gannon.

4th guy is Joe Riggs before he lost the weight.

[achillesthegreat]

You couldnt see Anderson Silva taking a KO shot from ANYONE. Fedor's not got that almost invincibilie aura about him, he's vurnerable

Against Manhoef, Le and maybe one or two others, I would think about the ko.

No one is expecting Rogers to ko Fedor, it just appears his only chance.

[ufoalf]

It's less intriguing than the Lindland fight; it's completly below the level of fight Fedor should be fighting.

That's ridiculous.

[scurlaruntings]

That's ridiculous.:thumbsup

[196osh]

It's less intriguing than the Lindland fight;


:blood

[scurlaruntings]

:bloodIf Rogers was a wrestler or a JJ junky he'd change his mind.

[196osh]

If Rogers was a wrestler or a JJ junky he'd change his mind.

Its ridiculous to say that Lindland offerd Fedor anything more than Rogers, Rogers could end Fedor's night with one shot.

[scurlaruntings]

Its ridiculous to say that Lindland offerd Fedor anything more than Rogers, Rogers could end Fedor's night with one shot.
Lindland had sweet FA to offer Fedor. That was a fight i couldnt understand at all. Lindlands barely even a light heavy. It may aswell have been an exhibition bout.

[196osh]

Lindland had sweet FA to offer Fedor. That was a fight i couldnt understand at all. Lindlands barely even a light heavy. It may aswell have been an exhibition bout.

Pretty much.

I don't understand what the big issue with Fedor fighting Rogers is, his record is almost a carbon copy of Carwins and nobody is getting all up tight about Lesnar fighting him.

[scurlaruntings]

Pretty much.

I don't understand what the big issue with Fedor fighting Rogers is, his record is almost a carbon copy of Carwins and nobody is getting all up tight about Lesnar fighting him.Precisely. Its simply a double standard. If this fight was in the UFC no one would be complaining.

[achillesthegreat]

I think because Lesnar is still an unknown quantity but Fedor isn't. Fedor's legacy is set in stone, Lesnar's entire legacy could fall apart still.

[radab]

I think because Lesnar is still an unknown quantity but Fedor isn't. Fedor's legacy is set in stone, Lesnar's entire legacy could fall apart still.



could, but i seriously doubt it

the guy is green, and already has wins over couture, herring and mir

he's got one hell of a career lined up

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

You guys are taking this all wrong. I am not bashing Fedor for fighting Rogers. It's just sad to see the best heavyweight in the world and possibly the greatest MMA fighter of all time stuck in an organization where this is the best fight for him. Fedor is above a fight with Brett Rogers. Yeah, Brett Rogers hits hard... so? It's silly to act like this is some sort of extremely interesting match-up just because Rogers hits hard. Maybe if Rogers had unparralled takedown defense to go along with it. Yet, he was taken down a couple times within the first few minutes against James Thompson when they fought... before Thompson does what he does best and got knocked out again (9 times now). Hitting hard doesn't make you a great fighter, and it sure as hell doesn't make you a serious threat to the best MMA fighter in the world. His punching technique and accuracy isn't even good... and he's slow. His experience level or pedigree in any particalar fighting art, let alone MMA itself is severely lacking. On top of all that, he has fought a who's who of sloppy tomato cans with a damaged and fragile Arlovski (6th time that he has been knocked out) being the feather in his cap.

If I can see plain as day that if you keep Rogers moving his striking is weak, then I am sure as hell that Fedor sees it. Let alone the fact that I have never seen any of his opponents have trouble closing the distance on Rogers... what do you think will happen once Fedor closes the distance?

I love Fedor, he is a great fighter. He is also above fighting Rogers and it's sad to see a fight like this being what people are looking forward to for him. Of course I will watch it,, and any fight is just a fight in the end where anything can happen... but we can also be realistic.

[scurlaruntings]

You guys are taking this all wrong. I am not bashing Fedor for fighting Rogers. It's just sad to see the best heavyweight in the world and possibly the greatest MMA fighter of all time stuck in an organization where this is the best fight for him. Fedor is above a fight with Brett Rogers. Yeah, Brett Rogers hits hard... so? It's silly to act like this is some sort of extremely interesting match-up just because Rogers hits hard. Maybe if Rogers had unparralled takedown defense to go along with it. Hitting hard doesn't make you a great fighter, and it sure as hell doesn't make you a serious threat to the best MMA fighter in the world. His punching technique and accuracy isn't even good... and he's slow.

If I can see plain as day that if you keep Rogers moving his striking is weak, then I am sure as hell that Fedor sees it. Let alone the fact that I have never seen any of his opponents have trouble closing the distance on Rogers... what do you think will happen once Fedor closes the distance?

I love Fedor, he is a great fighter. He is also above fighting Rogers and it's sad to see a fight like this being what people are looking forward to for him. Of course I will watch it,, and any fight is just a fight in the end where anything can happen... but we can also be realistic.Takeaway Brocks size and athleticism and what is he? Just another wrestler.. If your going to critique Rogers then the same has to be said of Lesnar who has had half as many fights as Rogers. If Rogers was in the UFC guys would be singing a diffrent tune. Theres is absolutely nothing wrong with Rogers as an opponent and equally nothing wrong with Lesnar as an opponent for Fedor. Both have distinct limitations but both have great advantages in size and power over Fedor. Skills of course pay the bills but this is MMA..

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Takeaway Brocks size and athleticism and what is he? Just another wrestler.. If your going to critique Rogers then the same has to be said of Lesnar who has had half as many fights as Rogers. If Rogers was in the UFC guys would be singing a diffrent tune. Theres is absolutely nothing wrong with Rogers as an opponent and equally nothing wrong with Lesnar as an opponent for Fedor. Both have distinct limitations but both have great advantages in size and power over Fedor. Skills of course pay the bills but this is MMA..
If Rogers was in the UFC, he would have already lost. That's the reality of the situation. Why do you make everything a UFC issue? If a fighter is good or great... then that is what he is, I don't give a shit where he fights. Fedor is a great fighter, he has never fought in the UFC.... you aren't making any sense with all that nonsense.

Also, why the hell would we take away Brock's size and athleticism? What the hell kind of statement is that?:lol: Ok... take away Cro-Cops Kickboxing abilities... what are you left with? Take away Fedor's hips... is he now the same fighter? That's silly. Yes, Brock has half the fights of Rogers... yet his competition level is head and shoulders above him.

The fact that Brock only has 4 fights in the UFC, and they are against Mir twice, Herring, and Couture is fucking amazing if you ask me. For a man to be that inexperienced in MMA and to be able to cross over from being just a great wrestler to beating top level MMA guys with no MMA experience other than training is a great accomplishment. What you fail to admit is that Brock's well established wrestling history is also experience... which is why he was able to cross over and be as successful as he is. Let alone the fact that he is huge, powerful, and fast. Those are all attributes that he has... what sense does it make to take them away and then ask what's left?

Personally, I don't think that Lesnar is ready for Fedor either. However, with his backround, experience, and success in wrestling... coupled with the fact that he already has wins over Mir, Herring, and Couture, and is the UFC Heavyweight Champion.... Lesnar is obviously a more interesting match-up, and a more legit threat to Fedor.

[snakerattle79]

I always get very nervous when Fedor's about to fight, for one punch can be all it takes. I'd be devastated to see him lose


dont worry Fedor can take a punch like his brother, he proved it in Pride

[radab]

dont worry Fedor can take a punch like his brother, he proved it in Pride



The Flobbery Fish incident :lol:



Yeah what youre saying Widow i agree with, i think most of us do. Fedor's too good to be fighting this guy. Brock's pretty much the only fight out there for him

[196osh]

I think the main issue is that Fedor seems to have to be the one going looking for Lesnar, Fedor needs Lesnar less than the other way around.

Its like Arum not putting up for Pac vs X 140lb belt holder from GBP, does that mean that Pac should leave and go over to GBP despite his loyalty to Arum and the fact he is champ?

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

I think the main issue is that Fedor seems to have to be the one going looking for Lesnar, Fedor needs Lesnar less than the other way around.

Its like Arum not putting up for Pac vs X 140lb belt holder from GBP, does that mean that Pac should leave and go over to GBP despite his loyalty to Arum and the fact he is champ?
Well... I guess that neither actually need each other. Lesnar will continue to get rich and even more famous in the UFC, and I am sure that Fedor won't be filing for bankruptcy anytime soon and will always have people claiming he is the best. What it comes down to for me is that I think it's a shame that M-1 Global is keeping Fedor from seizing the moment that is out there for him. Fedor could be making more money, becoming more famous, cementing his legacy even further, fight much better competition, and have much greater exposure to the viewing public if he was in the UFC. That would be great for Fedor, and great for the fans. The only thing standing in the way is that piece of shit excuse for a company M-1 Global. The parasite that seems to spell doom for any organization that comes to a Co-Promotion agreement with it.

[196osh]

It would be my prefrence to see Fedor in the UFC fighting Lesnar, but outwith Lesnar the 3 fights avalible for him in Strikefore assuming they are pretty decent and if they are done in the next year leaves him open to signing with the UFC.

That would give him enough time to beat Lesnar and some others and retire before he starts to slip too badly.

[achillesthegreat]

could, but i seriously doubt it

the guy is green, and already has wins over couture, herring and mir

he's got one hell of a career lined up

I don't expect Lesnar to turn shit, especially considering he lost to Mir but didn't let them affect his psyche. He gave us the impression that he is a winner and hates to lose.

[radab]

Well... I guess that neither actually need each other. Lesnar will continue to get rich and even more famous in the UFC, and I am sure that Fedor won't be filing for bankruptcy anytime soon and will always have people claiming he is the best. What it comes down to for me is that I think it's a shame that M-1 Global is keeping Fedor from seizing the moment that is out there for him. Fedor could be making more money, becoming more famous, cementing his legacy even further, fight much better competition, and have much greater exposure to the viewing public if he was in the UFC. That would be great for Fedor, and great for the fans. The only thing standing in the way is that piece of shit excuse for a company M-1 Global. The parasite that seems to spell doom for any organization that comes to a Co-Promotion agreement with it.



Dont blame M1, blame Fedor himself

M1s rigid stance was already defined, didnt stop Emelianenko from signing with them. They're both to blame for Fedor Brock not happening

Fedor doesnt seem to give a shit any more. Hes had a great career. Its annoying from a fans point of view, but its his decision. Fair dos to him

[Vanboxingfan]

Honestly, I think I'd pick Ray Mercer over Rogers if pushed, so like eveyone said, Rogers basically has a punchers chance.

[196osh]

Dont blame M1, blame Fedor himself

M1s rigid stance was already defined, didnt stop Emelianenko from signing with them. They're both to blame for Fedor Brock not happening

Fedor doesnt seem to give a shit any more. Hes had a great career. Its annoying from a fans point of view, but its his decision. Fair dos to him

Fedor still has a 3 fight deal with m1 as far as I am aware. That would mean if M1 did not agree with any deal it oculd not happen.

[Beebs]

Lindland had sweet FA to offer Fedor. That was a fight i couldnt understand at all. Lindlands barely even a light heavy. It may aswell have been an exhibition bout.

He fought Rampage to basically a draw or small win either way and is at least world class in something he does.

Not that I found the Lindland fight particularly worthwhile either, don't get me wrong, it's just that Rogers doesn't have anything world class to offer; his power is decent, but so is every heavyweights.

[Beebs]

Fedor still has a 3 fight deal with m1 as far as I am aware. That would mean if M1 did not agree with any deal it oculd not happen.

The man owns a fairly good sized part of the company, the company is all run by his inner circle, the company essentially does not exist without him.

The rest of the company is owned by Fedor's agent, who is supposed to represent him to whatever company he is dealing with, even his own.

Pretty hard to argue that Fedor couldn't do whatever he liked regardless of any contract with M1.

[Mob]

Rogers is big and powerful. That's it.

Sure......in MMA anything can happen. Fedor will submit this guy easily in the first.

[latineg]

You guys are taking this all wrong. I am not bashing Fedor for fighting Rogers. It's just sad to see the best heavyweight in the world and possibly the greatest MMA fighter of all time stuck in an organization where this is the best fight for him. Fedor is above a fight with Brett Rogers. Yeah, Brett Rogers hits hard... so? It's silly to act like this is some sort of extremely interesting match-up just because Rogers hits hard. Maybe if Rogers had unparralled takedown defense to go along with it. Yet, he was taken down a couple times within the first few minutes against James Thompson when they fought... before Thompson does what he does best and got knocked out again (9 times now). Hitting hard doesn't make you a great fighter, and it sure as hell doesn't make you a serious threat to the best MMA fighter in the world. His punching technique and accuracy isn't even good... and he's slow. His experience level or pedigree in any particalar fighting art, let alone MMA itself is severely lacking. On top of all that, he has fought a who's who of sloppy tomato cans with a damaged and fragile Arlovski (6th time that he has been knocked out) being the feather in his cap.

If I can see plain as day that if you keep Rogers moving his striking is weak, then I am sure as hell that Fedor sees it. Let alone the fact that I have never seen any of his opponents have trouble closing the distance on Rogers... what do you think will happen once Fedor closes the distance?

I love Fedor, he is a great fighter. He is also above fighting Rogers and it's sad to see a fight like this being what people are looking forward to for him. Of course I will watch it,, and any fight is just a fight in the end where anything can happen... but we can also be realistic.

go cry urself a wee puddle over fedorz competition jack ass

actually i agree with you i waz just fucking around with the line above

well not really but i do agree with you

[latineg]

Takeaway Brocks size and athleticism and what is he? Just another wrestler.. If your going to critique Rogers then the same has to be said of Lesnar who has had half as many fights as Rogers. If Rogers was in the UFC guys would be singing a diffrent tune. Theres is absolutely nothing wrong with Rogers as an opponent and equally nothing wrong with Lesnar as an opponent for Fedor. Both have distinct limitations but both have great advantages in size and power over Fedor. Skills of course pay the bills but this is MMA..

take away brockz size and athleticism and what is he ?

hez not brock lesner u jack ass that what

why not take away hiz fucking armz and legz while ur at it dingbat

jesuz fuckin christ