**UK & Ireland All Time Light-Heavyweight Survey (poll closes 14th September**

[Smith]

Following on from this thread; [Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) , the heavyweight all time rankings have been finalised and posted.


Next Up, the Light-Heavyweights (Note, we are doing the 8 original weight classes first then when that is through we will revisit the cruisers/super middles etc)



ONLY A TOP TEN AND NO TIED PLACINGS.

Scoring system is as follows: (borrowed from Rumsfield:good)

25 points for your #1.
15 for #2.
12 for #3.
10 for #4.
8 for #5.
5 for #6.
4 for #7.
3 for #8.
2 for #9.
1 for #10.



Shoot away, lets get some heated discussion and some interesting debate on who's going to be in here.


Theres one rule, from GazOC, as follows.

Amended:

1) To qualify for ranking a fighter must have been born in the UK or Eire or have fought for a British/ Irish title.

Lets go.





(remember more so as we go down the weights, its about there body of work AT the weight. If you believe for example Joe Calzaghe done enough in only 2 fights at the weight to be ranked in the top ten, then go ahead, its your list, but don't take anyones achievements in other weight classes into consideration)

[GazOC]

This is going to be a good 'un!!

[ishy]

At least we have some depth in this division :D

[Smith]

This is going to be a good 'un!!:happy:good

I've got a few things to read up on on certain guys but hopefully get my list up earlier this time, tomorow.

[GPater11093]

im rubbish with my LHWs

but Freddie Mills, Len Harvey, John Conteh are all in the running

[Smith]

im rubbish with my LHWs

but Freddie Mills, Len Harvey, John Conteh are all in the runningThis is what the threads for :good

After a few pages and revision we can all come up with some solid lists.

[GazOC]

im rubbish with my LHWs

but Freddie Mills, Len Harvey, John Conteh are all in the running

You better hit the books then mate!;)

[TFFP]

This is my preliminary thoughts, it always helps to see a list and some of the names involved and people can expand on what they disagree on...

1. Bob Fitzsimmons
2. Mike McTigue
3. John Conteh
4. Freddie Mills
5. Len Harvey
6. Jock McAvoy
7. Joe Calzaghe
8. Clinton Woods
9. Dennis Andries
10. Chris Finnegan

[GazOC]

Fitz won't be that high on my list, his career at 175 was too short. I don't think the division was even officially recognized untl Fitz was in his late 30's.

[TFFP]

The problem is he has a lot of fights where he'd be above middleweight, I don't know where to rank those victories. I suppose I awarded him quite a few for heavyweight so I can't do the same here, its probably best to keep them as heavyweight and middleweight.

[TFFP]

1. Mike McTigue
2. John Conteh
3. Freddie Mills
4. Len Harvey
5. Bob Fitzsimmons
6. Jock McAvoy
7. Joe Calzaghe
8. Clinton Woods
9. Dennis Andries
10. Chris Finnegan

Okay, I'm happier with this list. I think thats the cut off point for me where I realise Fitz didn't do his best work at light heavy, but purely on ability and all things considered I can't rank him any lower. Just doesn't seem right.

I'm not sure who was better between Chris Finnegan or Dennis Andries, I'm going to have to try and dig out some footage because there isn't much to seperate them any other way.

[GPater11093]

Finnegan>>>>>>>Andries

[GazOC]

The problem is he has a lot of fights where he'd be above middleweight, I don't know where to rank those victories. I suppose I awarded him quite a few for heavyweight so I can't do the same here, its probably best to keep them as heavyweight and middleweight.

I havn't made a proper decision yet but when these rankings came up my first reaction was that I'd have Fitz very high at HW, the lower end (say 7th/ 8th) of the top 10 at 175 and around 5th at middleweight.

IMHO most of Fitzs fights over 160 (although the limit was flexible on ocassion) prior to 1902/3 have to ranked as either over the weight middleweight fights or full heavyweight fights because 175 didn't really exist as a division before that.

[TFFP]

The Jeff Harding fight is on YouTube in high quality. Sadly he's officially 35 years old but by his own admission may be closer to 40. :lol: Not the best way to judge him...

I've seen the Bob Foster/Finnegan fight and he was a lot more polished than this guy, performed quite creditably I thought.

[TFFP]

1. Mike McTigue
2. John Conteh
3. Freddie Mills
4. Len Harvey
5. Bob Fitzsimmons
6. Jock McAvoy
7. Joe Calzaghe
8. Clinton Woods
9. Chris Finnegan
10. Dennis Andries

Finnegan actually looks better than Clinton I think, but Clinton's achievements outweigh his.

[GazOC]

Andries got better with age, the 35 year old version wasn't far off the best version.

[TFFP]

Andries got better with age, the 35 year old version wasn't far off the best version.
He looks a bit crude...

Are there any other standout names I've not comprehended? I'm fairly settled with that order now unless somebody has escaped me.

[GazOC]

He looks a bit crude...

Are there any other standout names I've not comprehended? I'm fairly settled with that order now unless somebody has escaped me.

He was crude but the version you saw was AFTER he went to Kronk and improved his technique....I kid you not!!

[brown bomber]

1.Joe Calzaghe
2.Bob Fitzsimmons
3.John Conteh
4.Dennis Andries
5.Clinton Woods
6.Chris Finnegan
7.Crawford Ashley
8.Bunny Johnson
9.Len Harvey
10.Mike McTigue

Honary mentions
Nicky Piper
Freddie Mills
Jock McAvoy

[TBooze]

My Two pence:

1 Freddie Mills
2 Dennis Andries
3 John Conteh
4 Joe Calzaghe
5 Chris Finnegan
6 Bob Fitzsimmons
7 Mike McTigue
8 Clinton Woods
9 Crawford Ashley
10 Tom Collins

Mentions: Jack Peterson, Len Harvey, Jock McAvoy, Don Cockell, Randy Turpin, Chic Calderwood, Young John McCormack and Bunny Johnson

[GPater11093]

I havn't made a proper decision yet but when these rankings came up my first reaction was that I'd have Fitz very high at HW, the lower end (say 7th/ 8th) of the top 10 at 175 and around 5th at middleweight.

IMHO most of Fitzs fights over 160 (although the limit was flexible on ocassion) prior to 1902/3 have to ranked as either over the weight middleweight fights or full heavyweight fights because 175 didn't really exist as a division before that.

i agree MW and HW
although his past prime LHW stuff was good

The Jeff Harding fight is on YouTube in high quality. Sadly he's officially 35 years old but by his own admission may be closer to 40. :lol: Not the best way to judge him...

I've seen the Bob Foster/Finnegan fight and he was a lot more polished than this guy, performed quite creditably I thought.

innegan is so much better than Andries

1. Mike McTigue
2. John Conteh
3. Freddie Mills
4. Len Harvey
5. Bob Fitzsimmons
6. Jock McAvoy
7. Joe Calzaghe
8. Clinton Woods
9. Chris Finnegan
10. Dennis Andries

Finnegan actually looks better than Clinton I think, but Clinton's achievements outweigh his.

please xplain that last sentance really dont see how Woods has done more

1.Joe Calzaghe
2.Bob Fitzsimmons
3.John Conteh
4.Dennis Andries
5.Clinton Woods
6.Chris Finnegan
7.Crawford Ashley
8.Bunny Johnson
9.Len Harvey
10.Mike McTigue

Honary mentions
Nicky Piper
Freddie Mills
Jock McAvoy

No Mills or <McAvoy please xplain

im not picking on you guys just want to see your reasoning

[brown bomber]

Because old day fighters are overhyped and though they have more competition they also had far less skilled opposition. Anything pre 1940's will rarely get any kudos from me. I begrudge placing Fitzsimmons when i've never seen him box ket alone know much about the state of his opposition though his record is outstanding.

Mills lost silly fights, had no great form at title level likewise with McAvoy. I just don't buy they were better fighters. My list is a who would beat who list taking into account there achievements. These are mostly fighters that I have seen with my own eyes and have records that I can make a judgement on. TFFP knowlege is impressive I presume- but I don't know that for a fact.

[kosaros]

1.Joe Calzaghe
2.Bob Fitzsimmons
3.John Conteh
4.Dennis Andries
5.Clinton Woods
6.Chris Finnegan
7.Crawford Ashley
8.Bunny Johnson
9.Len Harvey
10.Mike McTigue

Honary mentions
Nicky Piper
Freddie Mills
Jock McAvoy

Calzaghe! :lol::nut

I knew you loved him really...

[brown bomber]

Calzaghe! :lol::nut

I knew you loved him really...Well its not a great division. He does deserve some love and the wins over Jones and Hopkins are still fairly impressive in comparison to some on the list.

[GPater11093]

Because old day fighters are overhyped and though they have more competition they also had far less skilled opposition. Anything pre 1940's will rarely get any kudos from me. I begrudge placing Fitzsimmons when i've never seen him box ket alone know much about the state of his opposition though his record is outstanding.

Mills lost silly fights, had no great form at title level likewise with McAvoy. I just don't buy they were better fighters. My list is a who would beat who list taking into account there achievements. These are mostly fighters that I have seen with my own eyes and have records that I can make a judgement on. TFFP knowlege is impressive I presume- but I don't know that for a fact.

i dont agree

im just away son so ill post later why i dont agree

[kosaros]

i dont agree

im just away son so ill post later why i dont agree

Now that is a surprise :shock:

[icemax]

Anything pre 1940's will rarely get any kudos from me. I begrudge placing Fitzsimmons when i've never seen him box ket alone know much about the state of his opposition though his record is outstanding.

Totally agree

[GazOC]

I'd asumed Jeff putting JC at number 1 was a piss take!!

[mckay_89]

Because old day fighters are overhyped and though they have more competition they also had far less skilled opposition. Anything pre 1940's will rarely get any kudos from me. I begrudge placing Fitzsimmons when i've never seen him box ket alone know much about the state of his opposition though his record is outstanding.

Mills lost silly fights, had no great form at title level likewise with McAvoy. I just don't buy they were better fighters. My list is a who would beat who list taking into account there achievements. These are mostly fighters that I have seen with my own eyes and have records that I can make a judgement on. TFFP knowlege is impressive I presume- but I don't know that for a fact.

Thank fuck someone else thinks this. As much as you can get great information in the Classic forum, the bias towards old fighters there is hilarious. There was a thread the other week talking about how great some old fighters resume was (can't remember who) and there was about 15 names or so that were counted as great wins because the opponenet was ranked in the Ring's divisional top 10 at the time of fighting. All fair and well maybe, but if you were talking in the Classic Forum about, say Hopkins' resume and mentioned Howard Eastman (i'd imagine he'd have been a top 5 middle at the time of the Hopkins fight), you'd get laughed out the place!

[icemax]

1. John Conteh
2. Freddie mills
3. Joe Calzaghe
4. Clinton Woods
5. Chris Finnegan
6. Chic Calderwood
7. Randolph Turpin
8. Dennis Andries
9. Len Harvey
10.Don Cockell

[TBooze]

Thank fuck someone else thinks this. As much as you can get great information in the Classic forum, the bias towards old fighters there is hilarious. There was a thread the other week talking about how great some old fighters resume was (can't remember who) and there was about 15 names or so that were counted as great wins because the opponenet was ranked in the Ring's divisional top 10 at the time of fighting. All fair and well maybe, but if you were talking in the Classic Forum about, say Hopkins' resume and mentioned Howard Eastman (i'd imagine he'd have been a top 5 middle at the time of the Hopkins fight), you'd get laughed out the place!

But if you go onto the classic forum, there will be a bias towards another era...

The sport is completely different now a days to what it once was...

Could you see Floyd Mayweather Jr fighting and winning 27 fights in a year and winning titles from 147 to 175?

If it was the 1930's that is what he would need to do to be up there.

Fighters were used to fighting regularly and losing every now and again. In this era a defeat can put a fighter back four years, not four months like it once did.

Like I said, it was a different sport, with a different mentality and it was more popular and mainstream.

[JonOli]

Speaking of modern day boxers, would George Gardner (Gardiner) sneek in? :D:p

He was the second man in history to hold the World Light-Heavyweight Title, defeating the first Light-HW Champ, Jack Root by KO.

[TFFP]

i agree MW and HW
although his past prime LHW stuff was good



innegan is so much better than Andries



please xplain that last sentance really dont see how Woods hv


No Mills or <McAvoy please xplain

im not picking on you guys just want to see your reasoning
He won a world title. Which I know isn't saying a great deal in this era but there has to be something to distinguish between the two and that is one thing. I also like his victory over Glen Johnson though slightly fortunate.

Finnegan seemed to lose every fight against world class opposition.

[Mr Butt]

i have a short list but looking for more details about the boxers in capitols (not in any order)

j.conteh
b.fitzsimmons
c.woods
c.finnegan
f.mills
d.andries
t.collins
l.harvey
d.cockell
r.turpin
BUNNY JOHNSON
t.wilson
DICK SMITH (brit champ i think 1914-1919
J.mcavoy
m.mctigue
CHIC CALDERWOOD

[Smith]

i have a short list but looking for more details about the boxers in capitols (not in any order)

CHIC CALDERWOODChic Calderwood has one of the strongest single wins out of lot, he beat Willie Pastrano, future light heavyweight champion and Ali training partner. Great and underrated win. That alone alonjg with a closer look at his career means he should be placed lower end of the top ten.:yep

[icemax]

Chic Calderwood has one of the strongest single wins out of lot, he beat Willie Pastrano, future light heavyweight champion and Ali training partner. Great and underrated win. That alone alonjg with a closer look at his career means he should be placed lower end of the top ten.:yep

Thats why he is on my list, great win. Typically tragic life, locked up for assault and then killed in a car crash aged 29

[Smith]

Thats why he is on my list, great win. Typically tragic life, locked up for assault and then killed in a car crash aged 29:good

Yep, Scottish Syndrome.

[icemax]

:good

Yep, Scottish Syndrome.

Didn't like spelling it out, but it does seem to be the case

[Mr Butt]

bump

[Smith]

I take it nobody gives a fuck about this now?

[GazOC]

I take it nobody gives a fuck about this now?

I'm still in but realistically the HWs were always going to attract more opinions!!:good

[Mr Butt]

I take it nobody gives a fuck about this now?


i am just undecided

[D-MAC]

I take it nobody gives a fuck about this now?

I give a fuck.

I just don't know fuck all.

[GPater11093]

this is my weak spot LHWs. never seen alot of them really

i am reading up on them though

[D-MAC]

this is my weak spot LHWs. never seen alot of them really

i am reading up on them though

Swotty Bastard:twisted:

Give us your lunch money or I'll beat you up.

[GPater11093]

Swotty Bastard:twisted:

Give us your lunch money or I'll beat you up.

:lol:

no ones ever done that to me, dont have a clue what id do if they did.

I am openly a boxing geek

[essexboy]

Ive been putting it off and putting it off but its finally here, my list:

1. John Conteh
2. Freddie Mills
3. Chris Finnegan
4. Dennis Andries
5. Bob Fizsimmons
6. Len Harvey
7. Chic Calderwood
8. Joe Calzaghe
9. Clinton Woods
10. Jock McAvoy

[GPater11093]

hers just a rougfh one there might be changes

1. John Conteh
2. Freddie Mills
3. Robert Fitzsimmons
4. Chris Finnegan
5. Len Harvey
6. Dennis Andries
7. Chic Calderwood
8. Joe Calzaghe
9. Jock McAvoy
10. Clinton Woods

[JonOli]

Good threads guys.:good

Keep it running!

[Mr Butt]

1.j.conteh
2.f.mills
3.c.finnegan
4.c.woods
5.b.fitzsimmons
6.l.harvey
7.j.calzaghe
8.d.andries
9.c.calderwood
10.d.cockell

[radab]

1. John Conteh
2. Freddie Mills
3. Dennis Andries
4. Joe Calzaghe
5. Bob Fitzsimmons
6. Clinton Woods
7. Chris Finnegan
8. Mike McTigue
9. Crawford Ashley
10. Len Harvey

[ishy]

Smith mate do you mind extending the deadline a bit? I've been a bit busy recently so haven't got round to this.

[essexboy]

Smith mate do you mind extending the deadline a bit? I've been a bit busy recently so haven't got round to this.

Bollox I've been waiting for this just hurry up and do it now. :p

[GazOC]

Same here Ishy, another day or so would be appreciated.....

[essexboy]

Same here Ishy, another day or so would be appreciated.....

Oh goddamn it! All this friggin time. :lol:

[GazOC]

Oh goddamn it! All this friggin time. :lol:

As an international playboy, licensed to kill spy and street fighting champion I don't get a lot of time to my self..

[essexboy]

As an international playboy, licensed to kill spy and street fighting champion I don't get a lot of time to my self..

I pity you I really do. :lol:

[TFFP]

:lol: these lists are wild.

At least there was some sort of consistency in the heavyweight lists. We're all over the shop here, Smith has some math to do

[GPater11093]

As an international playboy, licensed to kill spy and street fighting champion I don't get a lot of time to my self..

you missed out Scouser

:lol: these lists are wild.

At least there was some sort of consistency in the heavyweight lists. We're all over the shop here, Smith has some math to do

at least the number 1 is mostly the same

[TFFP]

you missed out Scouser



at least the number 1 is mostly the same
Shouldn't Mike McTigue be getting more of a look in, what do you think?

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[kosaros]

Thanks Radab for posting my list :good

Come on people, lets get this Light-Heavy list done! :)

[GazOC]

I#m just putting the finishing touches to mine, another hour or so fannying around and I'll post it....

[GazOC]

1)John Conteh
2)Dennis Andries
3)Mike McTigue
4)Freddie Mills
5)Bob Fitzsimmons
6)Clinton Woods
7)Joe Calzaghe
8)Len Harvey
9)Jock McAvoy
10)Chris Finnegan

[TFFP]

Dennis Andries looks a bag of wank to me.

What was so great?

I'm not criticizing, I'm just interested. A number of people are loving the ass off him so I must have gone wrong somewhere.

[GazOC]

He was very crude, I've ranked him higher than 'better' fighters because of his achivements.

[TFFP]

What are his achievements?

He won the WBC title and lost it. Won it again, and lost it. Sounds like Clinton Woods to me. Only he lost to a slew of mediocres in the process.

[GazOC]

What are his achievements?

He won the WBC title and lost it. Won it again, and lost it. Sounds like Clinton Woods to me. Only he lost to a slew of mediocres in the process.

3 time major belt holder, 4(?) sucessfull defences and a Non title win over Bobby Czyz. A good proportion of which was done 'on the road'

Good enough in this company for a decent ranking IMHO. Fitz and JC don't have enough fights at the weight, Mills has 1 win out of 3 fights against Lesnevich (quickly avenged) and I don't think Woods' career is as impressive either.

[TFFP]

3 time major belt holder, 4(?) sucessfull defences and a Non title win over Bobby Czyz. A good proportion of which was done 'on the road'

Good enough in this company for a decent ranking IMHO. Fitz and JC don't have enough fights at the weight, Mills has 1 win out of 3 fights against Lesnevich (quickly avenged) and I don't think Woods' career is as impressive either.
Yeah but Mills also beat 2 guys on the majority of these lists as well as Lesnevich. I thought he was 1-1 against Gus..but maybe not.

[GazOC]

Yeah but Mills also beat 2 guys on the majority of these lists as well as Lesnevich. I thought he was 1-1 against Gus..but maybe not.

Yep, sorry Mills is 1-1(1) with Lesnevich (and didn't make a successful defence) but Mills beat both Harvey and McAvoy at the end of their careers. I didn't give him that much credit for beating either man TBH (certainly not Harvey).

Not enough to put him ahead of Andries in my book.

[TFFP]

Personally I think that one win over a HOF'er beats that caveman looking dude because his defences were'nt that impressive IMO.

Especially since he got KO'd in the first fight and came back to win the rematch, that takes a lot of balls and character which impressed me.

Anyway, thanks for explaining your rationale :good

[GazOC]

Personally I think that one win over a HOF'er beats that caveman looking dude because his defences were'nt that impressive IMO.

Especially since he got KO'd in the first fight and came back to win the rematch, that takes a lot of balls and character which impressed me.

Anyway, thanks for explaining your rationale :good

TBH whether or not certain fighters were in the HOF played absolutely no part in influencing my rankings (and never will).

Getting in the HOF in itself isn't a level playing field and beating a HOF'er near the end of his career (like Mills did) can be overated. I've tried to take the fights/ accomplishments on their own merits.

Mills beating Lesnivich was a good win over a very decent but aging champ, the HOF doesn't come into it.

[TFFP]

TBH whether or not certain fighters were in the HOF played absolutely no part in influencing my rankings (and never will).

Getting in the HOF in itself isn't a level playing field and beating a HOF'er near the end of his career (like Mills did) can be overated. I've tried to take the fights/ accomplishments on their own merits.

Mills beating Lesnivich was a good win over a very decent but aging champ, the HOF doesn't come into it.
He was only 33 years old and was in good form at the time. Tail end but hardly a corpse, he went 15 with Maxim a year later.

It's mainly nowadays the HOF has become a big joke. It was credible IMO.

I just don't think the wins Andries has stack up when you do take the fights on their own merits, title defences or not, Mills beat better fighters I reckon.

I definitely need to have another look at Andries though, it appears I'm doing a disservice to put him at #10 looking at other peoples rankings.

[GazOC]

Lenivich was no corpse but he was past his best when he fought Mills, he never recorded another world class win and going the distance with Joey Maxim isn't as good as it initially sounds, Maxim wasn't much of a puncher.

Other than Lesnivich Mills' record is a bit thin esp. when you look at the stage in their careers that McAvoy and Harvey were at when Mills fought them. I think both men would have stood an excellent chance of beating him in their primes (esp. Harvey).

I don't think you'll be impressed with Andries, he won a lot of his fights by coming forward, taking shots and clubbing his opponens with crude, heavy hands. Of course Mills himself was no Willie Pep....;O)

[TFFP]

I meant more in regards to looking over and researching his record and his opponents. I think I've definitely seen enough of the British Kaptn Huck on film to know he's not making my top 5. But maybe he should be higher than 10.

[GazOC]

So I guess we're just waiting on Ishys list????

[GPater11093]

hers just a rougfh one there might be changes

1. John Conteh
2. Freddie Mills
3. Robert Fitzsimmons
4. Chris Finnegan
5. Len Harvey
6. Dennis Andries
7. Chic Calderwood
8. Joe Calzaghe
9. Jock McAvoy
10. Clinton Woods

see below my updated list

Shouldn't Mike McTigue be getting more of a look in, what do you think?

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yeh definitly i completly forgot him very imppressive fighter IMO

heres my emended list

1. Conteh
2. Mills
3. Fitzsimmons
4. Harvey
5. McTigue
6. Finnegan
7. Andries
8. Calderwood
9. Calzaghe
10. McAvoy

[GazOC]

Bump!!

[essexboy]

Whats happening here? Are the votes being counted?

[GPater11093]

just Smith being lazy

[Smith]

Eh eh, not lazy, I got fucking banned for a week and a half, just got allowed back on today, no live streaming, even though I didn't do shit, just requested a link by pm for the Kessler Perdomo fight.

So pissed off with the admin, not one explanation.

Ill just extend this to Monday and start middles on Monday ayeeee.

[GPater11093]

thought it was Middleweights next Smith

[Smith]

thats what i said gpater

[GPater11093]

read it as Super Middles

im an idiot

[essexboy]

Middleweights is gonna be the most impressive so far.

[GPater11093]

we all know whos top at MW

Fitzy boy

just shows how great he is when he will be top 5 in 3 weights

[essexboy]

we all know whos top at MW

Fitzy boy

just shows how great he is when he will be top 5 in 3 weights

Yeah Fitz is probably the greatest British fighter ever in all honesty. Although you could make an argument for Wilde, Kid Lewis and Kid Berg. Also in the middleweights youve got Turpin, Minter, Benn, Eubank, Collins (although he was probably better at super-middle), Graham and even Kid Lewis who was domestic champ. Should be some lively debate.

[kosaros]

Yeah Fitz is probably the greatest British fighter ever in all honesty. Although you could make an argument for Wilde, Kid Lewis and Kid Berg. Also in the middleweights youve got Turpin, Minter, Benn, Eubank, Collins (although he was probably better at super-middle), Graham and even Kid Lewis who was domestic champ. Should be some lively debate.

I would have Wilde ahead of him. Lennox Lewis will certainly be a challenger for a top 3 spot in a few peoples eyes though as well.

[Dan684]

Nobody mentioning Welsh ???

[essexboy]

Nobody mentioning Welsh ???

Yeah he was exceptional as well but I'd have the four I mentioned ahead of him.

[Dan684]

Fair enough. Couldn't be arsed looking all the way through the thread to see whther or not he'd got a mention :good

[GPater11093]

Ken Buchanan is definitly top 5 P4P

[essexboy]

Ken Buchanan is definitly top 5 P4P

Ahead of Fitz, Wilde, Kid Lewis, Kid Berg and Lennox Lewis? Not sure about that one. Definitely top ten though.

[GPater11093]

hers a rough one

1. Fitzsimmons
2. Wilde
3. Kid Berg
4. Kid Lewis
5. Buchanan
6. Lewis

[GazOC]

Ken B nearly always gets overated IMHO. He gets into the top ATG 5 Brits and the top ATG 10 Lightweights and he shouldn't be in either (IMHO!!!).

[kosaros]

hers a rough one

1. Fitzsimmons
2. Wilde
3. Kid Berg
4. Kid Lewis
5. Buchanan
6. Lewis

When will Lennox get the praise he deserves :-(

Also, I agree with Dan - Welsh should be getting a top 5 spot.

[PrideOfWales]

I got banned too. And the link I got didn't even fucking work until just after the precise moment when it ended.

[BigEars]

hers a rough one

1. Fitzsimmons
2. Wilde
3. Kid Berg
4. Kid Lewis
5. Buchanan
6. Lewis

I wouldn't have Buchanan ahead of Lewis.
Don't forget this involves Irish aswell, Jimmy McLarnin deserves a place in there somewhere(well definitely ahead of Buchanan imo).

I don't want it to seem like I'm running down Ken, he was a great fighter and Scotland's greatest ever but I think he falls a little short of the others on the list.

[GPater11093]

Ken B nearly always gets overated IMHO. He gets into the top ATG 5 Brits and the top ATG 10 Lightweights and he shouldn't be in either (IMHO!!!).

:-(

Kens a true ATG

When will Lennox get the praise he deserves :-(

Also, I agree with Dan - Welsh should be getting a top 5 spot.

Lennox is 6th

Welsh 7th although i have to research him more

I wouldn't have Buchanan ahead of Lewis.
Don't forget this involves Irish aswell, Jimmy McLarnin deserves a place in there somewhere(well definitely ahead of Buchanan imo).

I don't want it to seem like I'm running down Ken, he was a great fighter and Scotland's greatest ever but I think he falls a little short of the others on the list.

Mclarnins American (or i class him as a yank)

[GazOC]

How can you class McClarin as a yank but have Fitz as a Brit?

No way is Ken B above Lewis P4P, get those Scottish rose tinted specs off!!!

[BigEars]

:-(

Kens a true ATG



Lennox is 6th

Welsh 7th although i have to research him more



Mclarnins American (or i class him as a yank)

McLarnin was born in Ireland to two Irish parents and spent the first few years of his life in Ireland. His family then moved to Canada where he grew up......so em, how is he American ?

Lewis and Fitz are a lot less British than McLarnin is Irish.

[GPater11093]

How can you class McClarin as a yank but have Fitz as a Brit?

No way is Ken B above Lewis P4P, get those Scottish rose tinted specs off!!!

:lol:

I honestly think that i cant be arser writing a big explanation why but if you want to i will

McLarnin was born in Ireland to two Irish parents and spent the first few years of his life in Ireland. His family then moved to Canada where he grew up......so em, how is he American ?

Lewis and Fitz are a lot less British than McLarnin is Irish.

Ill be honest i always thought he was born in America, shows me :patsch

[GazOC]

:lol:

I honestly think that i cant be arser writing a big explanation why but if you want to i will




You can if you want, be warned though I'll rip it to shreds with my counter-argument....:p;)

[GPater11093]

Gaz your own when i get some time

[Mr Butt]

bump

[Boro chris]

1. Mike McTigue
2. John Conteh
3. Freddie Mills
4. Len Harvey
5. Bob Fitzsimmons
6. Jock McAvoy
7. Joe Calzaghe
8. Clinton Woods
9. Dennis Andries
10. Chris Finnegan

Okay, I'm happier with this list. I think thats the cut off point for me where I realise Fitz didn't do his best work at light heavy, but purely on ability and all things considered I can't rank him any lower. Just doesn't seem right.

I'm not sure who was better between Chris Finnegan or Dennis Andries, I'm going to have to try and dig out some footage because there isn't much to seperate them any other way.

Finnegan was way,waayy better than Andries!:D

[Smith]

Yo, got banned again, what the fuck.

Everyonme all good for me putting the middles up tonight, presuming I dont get banned again.

[GPater11093]

yeh fire away Smith

[nickythekid]

I give a fuck.

I just don't know fuck all.


:lol:same

[GazOC]

D-Mac is being too modest, he was pretty damn good on the "pictures quiz".

[nickythekid]

d mac being modest, i'm being honest. love it though :D

[kosaros]

Smith hasn't been around for a while (has he been banned again?), so I thought that I would finish off what he started with this thread so we can move on to the next weight division :good

(Totals out of 225)

1. 189 John Conteh
2. 122 Freddie Mills
3. 74 Joe Calzaghe
4. 72 Dennis Andries
5. 72 Bob Fitzsimmons
6. 57 Chris Finnegan
7. 53 Mike McTigue
8. 46 Clinton Woods
9 38 Len Harvey
10. 14 Chic Calderwood

Only 9 people devised a list. A total of 16 fighters were voted for and Conteh was voted number 1 on 6 posters lists with Calzaghe, Mills and McTigue each getting a vote for 1st position on the other 3 lists :good

[GPater11093]

well done Kos you making the next thread for it

anyway dont have alcue where smithis

[Mr Butt]

Smith hasn't been around for a while (has he been banned again?), so I thought that I would finish off what he started with this thread so we can move on to the next weight division :good

(Totals out of 225)

1. 189 John Conteh
2. 122 Freddie Mills
3. 74 Joe Calzaghe
4. 72 Dennis Andries
5. 72 Bob Fitzsimmons
6. 57 Chris Finnegan
7. 53 Mike McTigue
8. 46 Clinton Woods
9 38 Len Harvey
10. 14 Chic Calderwood

Only 9 people devised a list. A total of 16 fighters were voted for and Conteh was voted number 1 on 6 posters lists with Calzaghe, Mills and McTigue each getting a vote for 1st position on the other 3 lists :good

great job thanks was wondering what happened to this