Boxers and their religion

[IsaL]

Does anyone know what some of boxing top fighters religion are

Judah is rumored to be a black Jew turned Christian.

Jack Dempsey and Bj Flores Mormons

Hopkins is Muslim

Pac is Catholic

[Thread Stealer]

Holyfield is a Christian baby-maker.

Tyson is a Muslim. Obviously, so are Naseem Hamed, Muhammad Ali, Matthew Saad Muhammad, and Eddie Mustafa Muhammad.

[KhanB]

Jones is a cock fighting third person talking Christian i think. For some reason I wonder if Tszyu has a religon. He has that Buddhist-Jedi pony tail on the back of his head.

[Brickhaus]

Anthony Thompson, like the Judahs, is a Hebrew Israelite (i.e. black Jew). Thompson is a member of a more hardcore sect, however, where he's vegan and can't cut his hair. Best I can tell, his sect has little to nothing to do with actual Judaism.

Dmitry Salita, Roman Greenberg, Yuri Foreman, etc. are Jewish.

The Ibragamovs, Chagaev, etc are Muslim

[IntentionalButt]

Where is the Krishna representation in prizefighting? :?:?

[IntentionalButt]

Holyfield is a Christian baby-maker.
Please explain. Are you saying Evander Holyfield is a heterosexual? :shock:

[IsaL]

Anthony Thompson, like the Judahs, is a Hebrew Israelite (i.e. black Jew).

Isn't it true that Judah said he wanted to thank his Lord and Savior Jesus Christ after the PBF fight?

[vonBanditos]

Isn't it true that Judah said he wanted to thank his Lord and Savior Jesus Christ after the PBF fight?

Yeah, if he was Jewish then he definitely isn't now.

[vonBanditos]

Please explain. Are you saying Evander Holyfield is a heterosexual? :shock:

He's saying that Holyfield is a baby making machine. He was reported to have had at least 9 children in 1998.

[Illmatic]

every morales, gonzalez, barrera, vazquez, sanchez, cruz, diaz is catholic.

[IntentionalButt]

He's saying that Holyfield is a baby making machine. He was reported to have had at least 9 children in 1998.

What a nasty fucking whore.

[jdanders]

Where did you learn that the Ibragamov's are Muslum? Although the name "Sultan" certainly would lead you to believe that, I'm not so sure that is the case.

[IntentionalButt]

Where did you learn that the Ibragamov's are Muslum? Although the name "Sultan" certainly would lead you to believe that, I'm not so sure that is the case.

It definitely is. Common knowledge by now. Multiple sources, including their respective wiki pages, and Tyson referred to Sultan as a fellow Muslim.

[Illmatic]

Where did you learn that the Ibragamov's are Muslum? Although the name "Sultan" certainly would lead you to believe that, I'm not so sure that is the case.

Chagaev is muslim too

[IsaL]

I heard somewhere that Juan Carlos Gomez converted to Islam.

[IntentionalButt]

I heard somewhere that Juan Carlos Gomez converted to Islam.

It is becoming awfully trendy.

[IsaL]

It is becoming awfully trendy.

It is?

[Brickhaus]

Also, all the Albanians (Krasniqi, Muiriqi, etc.) are Muslim. You know, not all Islamic people are brown and wear turbans....

[cross_trainer]

I have heard that both Klitschkos are Christian, but the source is unreliable. Can anyone verify or refute this?

[TBooze]

It is?

LOL, yeah, not the first time either. In the late 70s/early 80s top 10 175lbers Matt Franklin (Loach) Dwight Braxton and Eddie Gregory all converted...

[The Whaler]

David Tua, Chris Byrd, and Lamon Brewster are all Christians.

Lucia Rijker is a Buddhist... I think.....

[ripcity]

On a side note I was going to school in Jerusalem last summer and one of my class mates was wearing a Star of David and a Cross. I asked her why she had both. She told me she was a Cristian but had Jewish haratige. She explaned to me that Haspanic last names that have the letter z in them indacate that it is very possible that their families at one time were Jewish and converted during the inqusition. I can't verify this but sense we are taking about religion I thought I would bring this up.

[The Whaler]

On a side note I was going to school in Jerusalem last summer and one of my class mates was wearing a Star of David and a Cross. I asked her why she had both. She told me she was a Cristian but had Jewish haratige. She explaned to me that Haspanic last names that have the letter z in them indacate that it is very possible that their families at one time were Jewish and converted during the inqusition. I can't verify this but sense we are taking about religion I thought I would bring this up.

Daniel Mendoza was a Jew.

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[IntentionalButt]

Do you have a problem with that?

Well, it is a pretty goofy belief system.

Keep in mind that you did ask!

[IntentionalButt]

Why do you think so?

Well, for starters, it's an Abrahamic monotheistic belief system. I view all of those as equally insane, right off the bat. Christianity asks one to make a few more slightly more far-fetched and ridiculous assumptions on faith than Judaism, and in turn Islam seems to have slightly more of them than Christianity. The buck doesn't stop there though. There are plenty of things that strike a sane rationalist as far more insane than Islam - Mormonism, for instance.

I think it's trendy especially in the US and Europe because it represents a rejection of a mainstay stronghold of Western civilization in Christianity. It's like a kid who isn't really interested in drugs or promiscuous sex acting out to piss off their parents.

[emanuel_augustus]

Where did you learn that the Ibragamov's are Muslum? Although the name "Sultan" certainly would lead you to believe that, I'm not so sure that is the case.

He's mentioned in interviews, and Dagestan, his home region, has long been a Muslim majority.

[IsaL]

Well, for starters, it's an Abrahamic monotheistic belief system. I view all of those as equally insane, right off the bat. Christianity asks one to make a few more slightly more far-fetched and ridiculous assumptions on faith than Judaism, and in turn Islam seems to have slightly more of them than Christianity. The buck doesn't stop there though. There are plenty of things that strike a sane rationalist as far more insane than Islam - Mormonism, for instance.

I think it's trendy especially in the US and Europe because it represents a rejection of a mainstay stronghold of Western civilization in Christianity. It's like a kid who isn't really interested in drugs or promiscuous sex acting out to piss off their parents.

Explain.:roll: :yep

[IntentionalButt]

Explain.:roll: :yep

The authoritative reference would have to be the South Park episode "All About The Mormons".

[JJ]

God im tired of religion;)

If a boxer has God on his side and in his corner, does that mean that God is against his opponent?

The boxers that doesnt use God or trash talk in order to be confident are the heroes in my eyes.

The Klitschkos religion is properly a personal matter, as it is to people in most of Western Europe.

[IsaL]

The authoritative reference would have to be the South Park episode "All About The Mormons".

Pretty much what I expected as a reply. Dull, uninformative, and in charcter with the author.

[miamite]

Well, for starters, it's an Abrahamic monotheistic belief system. I view all of those as equally insane, right off the bat. Christianity asks one to make a few more slightly more far-fetched and ridiculous assumptions on faith than Judaism, and in turn Islam seems to have slightly more of them than Christianity. What foundation of faith do you believe is more "ridiculous" in Islam than the trinity?

[IntentionalButt]

Pretty much what I expected as a reply. Dull, uninformative, and in charcter with the author.

What seems to be your boggle?

[natep]

I think what he's trying to say that believing that god is going to destroy the world and damn everyone who isn't a believer to hell and take his fellow followers up to heaven where they belong sounds like a crazy fairy tale. Also, the fact that Mormon's believe in three different levels of heaven. Ha. I don't know, most religion's sound extremely far fetched to me.

[IntentionalButt]

What foundation of faith do you believe is more "ridiculous" in Islam than the trinity?
Handling poop, for one.

[IsaL]

What seems to be your boggle?

Nothing, I just wanted to get into a heated debate about religion.

[IsaL]

I think what he's trying to say that believing that god is going to destroy the world and damn everyone who isn't a believer to hell and take his fellow followers up to heaven where they belong sounds like a crazy fairy tale. Also, the fact that Mormon's believe in three different levels of heaven. Ha. I don't know, most religion's sound extremely far fetched to me.

Well Natep, you are incorrect in your assesment of Mormonism.

Most religions? Which religions sound sound far fetched in your opinion?

[mochabuzz]

I think 'Boom Boom' Mancini is a Christian...

[iceman]

Who gives a fuck what religion boxers are?
Religion is the cause of most of the worlds problems
Well, Religion and George Bush

[Marc]

Fuck, I didn't know Hopkins was a muslim!

[natep]

Really? A few people I went to school with told me a brief description of Mormonism and the thing that I remembered the most was the whole three different levels of Heaven. What I was talking about before that was Christianity. The thing about religion is that a lot of them are clearly just a branch off of the Horus story and they're just about equally ridiculous.

--the story of Horus. born December 25th, born of a virgin, his birth was accompanied by a star in the east. Was also a prodigy teacher at the age of twelve years old and at the age of 30 was baptized. Not to mention, he had twelve disciples. He performed miracles like healing people, walking on water, turning water into wine, etc. After being betrayed by Python, he was crucified, buried for 3 days, and then resurrected.

examples:
-Attis (Greece 1200 b.c.)
born of a virgin, born December 25th, crucified, dead for three days, resurrected.

-Krishna (900 b.c.)
born of a virgin star in the east, performed miracles, resurrected.

--Dionysus (Greece 500 b.c.)
born of a virgin, born December 25th, performed miracles such as turning water into wine and was also resurrected.

-Mithra (Persia 1200bc)
born of a virgin, born December 25th, had 12 disciples, performed miracles, dead for three days, and also resurrected. Ironically enough the day of worship for Mithra happened to be Sunday's.

and the list goes on.

[Brickhaus]

Roberto Duran attends mass every Sunday and has a strong belief in God. Cotto attends mass on a regular basis. I think he is catholic.

Outside of JC Gomez, who converted to Islam, pretty much every Hispanic fighter is Catholic.

[miamite]

Handling poop, for one. I'm not 100% sure what you are saying, but I assume you are insinuating that setting restroom etiquette is more "ridiculous" than the trinity?

[Brickhaus]

Plus, "handling poop" isn't really a dogmatic issue the way the trinity is....

The formation story of Islam makes significantly more sense than the formation story of Christianity, from a logical standpoint. Of course, since the foundation of both religions is faith, there are some aspects that don't make perfect logical sense - otherwise you wouldn't need faith!

[SteveO]

Where is the Krishna representation in prizefighting? :?:?

I think Eric Crumble is a Kirshna. It doesn't look like he fights back.

[Hawks28]

Are there any boxers out there who are known atheists?

[Toopretty]

Isn't it true that Judah said he wanted to thank his Lord and Savior Jesus Christ after the PBF fight?

Well if you knew about the True Hebrews and the Israelites not the AFRICAN Israelites but the real Hebrews. They accept Christ as there lord and saviour and are not like the JEW-ISH people who practice the customs of the hebrews as a religion. Like the guys inhabiting Israel now.. They are not the original 12 tribes that "they say are lost" or extinct like the dinosaurs...lol Anyway. That is not uncommon.

[Toopretty]

Really? A few people I went to school with told me a brief description of Mormonism and the thing that I remembered the most was the whole three different levels of Heaven. What I was talking about before that was Christianity. The thing about religion is that a lot of them are clearly just a branch off of the Horus story and they're just about equally ridiculous.

--the story of Horus. born December 25th, born of a virgin, his birth was accompanied by a star in the east. Was also a prodigy teacher at the age of twelve years old and at the age of 30 was baptized. Not to mention, he had twelve disciples. He performed miracles like healing people, walking on water, turning water into wine, etc. After being betrayed by Python, he was crucified, buried for 3 days, and then resurrected.

examples:
-Attis (Greece 1200 b.c.)
born of a virgin, born December 25th, crucified, dead for three days, resurrected.

-Krishna (900 b.c.)
born of a virgin star in the east, performed miracles, resurrected.

--Dionysus (Greece 500 b.c.)
born of a virgin, born December 25th, performed miracles such as turning water into wine and was also resurrected.

-Mithra (Persia 1200bc)
born of a virgin, born December 25th, had 12 disciples, performed miracles, dead for three days, and also resurrected. Ironically enough the day of worship for Mithra happened to be Sunday's.

and the list goes on.
That is a bunch of gibirish crap....lol you are funny though...bringing up ancient stories that you cant even justify.

[Executioner]

Are there any boxers out there who are known atheists?

He isn't a boxer, but Max Kellerman has openly admitted he is.

[hmi]

If you doubt the religion, why don't you try to follow their teachings. As the saying goes, "you will know the tree by its fruit". If the religion that you tried made your life miserable and full of hatred, then that is not a good religion. But what I do know is that a lot of people who were lost found inner peace after they became religious. So you cannot just say that religion is a crap when in fact you did not really try it yet.

[Napoleon]

I think Hasim Rahman is a Muslim.

[natep]

That is a bunch of gibirish crap....lol you are funny though...bringing up ancient stories that you cant even justify. Can't justify? Can't you read what I just posted you moron? What are you illiterate? Those are REAL "gods" that people have/and currently do worship.

[the_churn]

Well Natep, you are incorrect in your assesment of Mormonism.

Most religions? Which religions sound sound far fetched in your opinion?
I'll tell you a few things I find particularly silly about Mormons and Mormonism:

1. A belief in an ancient Hebrew civilization in America for which there is no archeological proof.

2. Baptisms performed on behalf of the dead, to include Hitler, Eva Braun and formerly those Jews killed in the Holocaust.

3. The fact that its founding father, Joseph Smith a former treasure digger, translated the Book of Mormon from golden plates written in "reformed Egyptian" using seer stones hidden in a hat.

4. The fact that all of the witnesses to said golden plates were either Smith's relatives or later recanted in some way.

5. The fact that an Egyptian scroll Smith purchased from a travelling exhibition and that was used to translate into the Book of Abraham, part of the Church canon, was later discovered and shown to resemble nothing of Smith's translation.

6. Smith's grammar of the Egyptian language that he wrote while not knowing that the code had been recently cracked by the translation of the Rosetta Stone. Said grammar, of course, had no resemblance to a real Egyptian grammar and revealed the intellectual product of a charlatan.

7. All of the secret Masonic handshakes and related bits lifted into the secret temple ceremony (the "Sure Sign of the Nail" and "Oh God hear the words of my mouth bits" are particularly silly).

8. The King Follet Discourse and the planet Kolob where Heavenly Father supposedly lives (Man is as God was, etc.)

9. The endemic racism that is part of the Mormon belief that all colored persons are not light skinned as a result of their bearing the Mark of Cain. A continuing belief in many of the older members that, despite changes in Church doctrine in the 70's designed to allow blacks to have the priesthood [i.e. to help recruiting for minority football players at Brigham Young University], non-whites who prove virtuous in this life will be "white and delightsome" in the next.

The following bits are taken out of the Book of Mormon and are used to justify an endemic underpinning of racism amongst rank and file members:
And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them." (see 2 Nephi 5:21 ([Only registered and activated users can see links]:21))
Having separated themselves from the people of God, the Lamanites had regressed into a state of ignorance and iniquity and, by doing so, had cursed themselves and their posterity. The black skin represented their spiritual blindness and constituted the mark of the curse (see 2 Nephi 30:6 ([Only registered and activated users can see links]:6)).

10. A prohibition on polygamy in this life, but an unspoken belief that it is permissible in the next based on subsequent remarriages being sealed to successive marriages.

11. The mythical underwear with all of the silly symbols sewn on the Masonic points of fellowship, etc. The fact that the magical symbols are cut out and burned when the underwear gets old.

12. The huge welfare supported families that are endemic in Utah as a result eschewing birth control based out the belief that women have to grind out spirit children all the way to menopause.

13. The silly belief that Christ was walking all around North America and ministering to the Jews that supposedly were flourishing in the States post resurrection.

14. The numerous changes that have been made to the Book of Mormon since its supposed revelation. The revisions to history that have been made by the Mormons by editing their own early newspapers and journals of early settlers that have been felt by the current pary line to not be faith affirming.

15. I could go on and on, but you get the picture . . .

Mind you, Christianity and Islam are just as goofy in my mind, but Mormonism is more recently kooky, so it is easier to poke fun I suppose.

[hellblazer]

how about the #1 P4P Floyd Mayweather Jr.? does anyone know his religion? :smoke

[Marc]

how about the #1 P4P Floyd Mayweather Jr.? does anyone know his religion? :smoke

Most likely Christian. He's always mentioning God in his fights.

[hellblazer]

Most likely Christian. He's always mentioning God in his fights.

i c, thanks mate :good

[Sweet Pea Pacquiao]

On a side note I was going to school in Jerusalem last summer and one of my class mates was wearing a Star of David and a Cross. I asked her why she had both. She told me she was a Cristian but had Jewish haratige. She explaned to me that Haspanic last names that have the letter z in them indacate that it is very possible that their families at one time were Jewish and converted during the inqusition. I can't verify this but sense we are taking about religion I thought I would bring this up.

Actually most Spanish last names that END in Z mean "From the House of". For example, Rodriguez means "From the house of Rodrigo," Gonzalez means "From the house of Gonzalo", Dominguez means "From the house of Domingo", etc. From Old Spain.

[natep]

Anthony Thompson, like the Judahs, is a Hebrew Israelite (i.e. black Jew). Thompson is a member of a more hardcore sect, however, where he's vegan and can't cut his hair. Best I can tell, his sect has little to nothing to do with actual Judaism.
Are you sure he's vegan? Boxing gloves contain leather.

[chliJs]

Are there any boxers out there who are known atheists?

markus beyer at least doesn't believe in god.

makes it look like god is inevitable if you're trying to gain some success in the ring :yep

[mad_takamura]

Well, for starters, it's an Abrahamic monotheistic belief system. I view all of those as equally insane, right off the bat. Christianity asks one to make a few more slightly more far-fetched and ridiculous assumptions on faith than Judaism, and in turn Islam seems to have slightly more of them than Christianity. The buck doesn't stop there though. There are plenty of things that strike a sane rationalist as far more insane than Islam - Mormonism, for instance.

I think it's trendy especially in the US and Europe because it represents a rejection of a mainstay stronghold of Western civilization in Christianity. It's like a kid who isn't really interested in drugs or promiscuous sex acting out to piss off their parents.:think do you have a background in philosophy? or maybe just theology i'm just wondering..