175 lb 1st Round-Mike Spinks vs Gene Tunney

[Flea Man]

I think this could provide some very tough debate, both guys have their fans.

Mike Spinks vs Gene Tunney; who takes it?

12 rounds no reason, no vote :good

[scartissue]

I never thought Spinks looked good against a mover. Anything mobile he looked a bit ordinary (the Davis brothers). He really shone against those standing in front of him (Qawi, Lopez, Johnson). Tunney could move and box very well and was a real strategist. I'm going to go with Tunney over 12 comfortably. However, if it was over 15 I may have him only sneaking the decision with him looking a bit worse for wear. But that's the pick, Tunney over 12 rounds.

Scartissue

[red cobra]

Tunney by a 12 round decision..as I said before.

[AlFrancis]

As it's at lt heavy I'm gonna go for Spinks. Michael was one of the top men at light heavy for me and in a chess match he ekes out a close decision over Tunney.

[teeto]

Okay Fleaman here we are. I still haven't come up with anything conclusive. For my money Tunney was not esclusively a fighter in the mould of his performances against Dempsey. Tunney was a rugged boxer, when you see how he could counter with short ripping shots you see this, like against Carpentier etc, and if he hurt you, he would apply pressure to end matters, though not in a reckless manner. Spinks could be a pain in the arse for some boxers, not co-operating in agressing could be a major factor in this aspect of his game. One minute Spinks is moving around the ring all awkward, the enxt he has turned his man and is unloading with both hands in a corner, and he was very strong at the weight. Bith men have good power in the right hand, Tunney's more due to his well placed accurate blows, Spinks' was more raw. There will be a correct answer here, i'm just not sure if i know of it. You could say that both men arguably cancel each other out, someone will come out of his comfort zone and likely lose.

Tunney might just outspeed him, on the move and with flurries of short shots. Spinks might just annoy him, landing jabs and then turning it on when Tunney won't expect it.

I was just about to type that i'm leaning towards Spinks, but i think i'm leaning towards Tunney.

Be back soon.

[AlFrancis]

Okay Fleaman here we are. I still haven't come up with anything conclusive. For my money Tunney was not esclusively a fighter in the mould of his performances against Dempsey. Tunney was a rugged boxer, when you see how he could counter with short ripping shots you see this, like against Carpentier etc, and if he hurt you, he would apply pressure to end matters, though not in a reckless manner. Spinks could be a pain in the arse for some boxers, not co-operating in agressing could be a major factor in this aspect of his game. One minute Spinks is moving around the ring all awkward, the enxt he has turned his man and is unloading with both hands in a corner, and he was very strong at the weight. Bith men have good power in the right hand, Tunney's more due to his well placed accurate blows, Spinks' was more raw. There will be a correct answer here, i'm just not sure if i know of it. You could say that both men arguably cancel each other out, someone will come out of his comfort zone and likely lose.

Tunney might just outspeed him, on the move and with flurries of short shots. Spinks might just annoy him, landing jabs and then turning it on when Tunney won't expect it.

I was just about to type that i'm leaning towards Spinks, but i think i'm leaning towards Tunney.

Be back soon.


We're waiting!

[teeto]

We're waiting!
Haha, don't do that to me!

I want to pick Spinks, because of what you said, basically he was just so good at 175 pounds, effective as can be. Something like Carlos Monzon in that you might not admire the man's skillset as a pessimist of the man, but he was the king and a proven one.

But i might lean towards Tunney because he was a really great fighter and was faster for me overall. I reckon he might have SPinks coming out of his shell though and landing bombs. I'll go for Spinks, reluctantly.

Happy now?!!

[AlFrancis]

Haha, don't do that to me!

I want to pick Spinks, because of what you said, basically he was just so good at 175 pounds, effective as can be. Something like Carlos Monzon in that you might not admire the man's skillset as a pessimist of the man, but he was the king and a proven one.

But i might lean towards Tunney because he was a really great fighter and was faster for me overall. I reckon he might have SPinks coming out of his shell though and landing bombs. I'll go for Spinks, reluctantly.

Happy now?!!

Good man

[djanders]

A prime Michael Spinks could not beat a prime Gene Tunney at Light Heavyweight or Heavyweight...in my opinion. Gene would probably win a decision, but I wouldn't be surprised if Gene knocked Michael out.

[Jorodz]

i've been thinking about this one for a few days and as much as like spinks head to head at light heavy, gene tunney is one of the most techincally brilliant fighters ever. he's a student of boxing and much like hopkins, is terribly effecient and sound. not exciting, but effecient. spinks meanwhile has power, speed, awkwardness and versitility of his side. Tunney apparently had some trouble with the unexpected and that was spinks.

Tunney establishes his brilliant jab early and keeps spinks at his distance. Whenever spinks gets close, he ties him up, doing his best to neutralize his power. By the 4th however, spinks is timing gene and begins landing the right. Tunney, aware of the "Jinx" alters the timing of his jab and begins doubling it up.

Gene is picking up points but spinks is landing harder blows and finding their target more and more. Even when Tunney blocks his punches, he feels them. Tunney, having great success gets complacent and lets his intensity level and focus drop; Spinks takes advantage and slams home the right.

Up at 9 Tunney is content moving and jabbing his way to the final round. Spinks knowing the fight is slipping away goes for broke. Tunney rocks him with counters but during an exchange near the end of the round Spinks slams home another brilliant right and Tunney holds on to the final bell

Tunney UD 8-4

[BUDW]

Tunney wins, outboxes Spinks jab jab.

[WhataRock]

Im going with Spinks.

I find it hard to picture how Tunney is simply going to dominate the taller man at range. When this man was one of the most awkwardly effective rangey fighters ever himself.

I think Gene is going to have to get inside and get rough with this one..Which he is more then capable of doing and I think its where he can actually better Spinks. By grinding him down at close range.
But you also have to remember that Spinks had a variety of unorthodox punches that could turn a fight on its head at close range.

This comes down to the jab for me...Spinks had a very tough one to deal with. It wasnt just any jab it was a lance, a very hard and long punch that didnt just keep people at bay..it hurt them.
And I have yet to see film of Tunney where he is taking on someone who could jab like Spinks.
He was fleet footed and a very cerebral fighter..but I just havent seen the video evidence that supports him being able to deal with a guy like Michael because I just have never seen him in there with a guy like him.

Tunney is a very smart, tough and versatile fighter...And I am 100% sure he would take at least one fight in a series..and that every fight they had would be a close affair.

But If Im boiling it down to one fight..Ill take Michael to frustrate and rock Gene enough to scrap by in a decision.
Gene was light years ahead of most of his opponents stylistically and in the skills department....but he is facing a guy who was at a similar stage...Just in another era.

[Flea Man]

Im going with Spinks.

I fight it hard to picture how Tunney is simply going to dominate the taller man at range. When this man was one of the most awkwardly effective rangey fighters ever himself.

I think Gene is going to have to get inside and get rough with this one..Which he is more then capable of doing and I think its where he can actually better Spinks. By grinding him down at close range.
But you also have to remember that Spinks had a range of unorthodox punches that could turn a fight on its head at close range.

This comes down to the jab for me...Spinks had a very tough one to deal with. It wasnt just any jab it was a lance, a very hard and long punch that didnt just keep people at bay..it hurt them.
And I have yet to see film of Tunney where he is taking on someone who could jab like Spinks.
He was fleet footed and a very cerebral fighter..but I just havent seen the video evidence that supports him being able to deal with a guy like Michael because I just have never seen him in there with a guy like him.

Tunney is a very smart, tough and versatile fighter...And I am 100% sure he would take at least one fight in a series..and that every fight they had would be a close affair.

But If Im boiling it down to one fight..Ill take Michael to frustrate and rock Gene enough to scrap by in a decision.
Gene was light years ahead of most of his opponents stylistically and in the skills department....but he is facing a guy who was at a similar stage...Just in another era.

All good posts so far :good this one especially

[Flea Man]

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[Mr Butt]

Im going with Spinks.

I fight it hard to picture how Tunney is simply going to dominate the taller man at range. When this man was one of the most awkwardly effective rangey fighters ever himself.

I think Gene is going to have to get inside and get rough with this one..Which he is more then capable of doing and I think its where he can actually better Spinks. By grinding him down at close range.
But you also have to remember that Spinks had a variety of unorthodox punches that could turn a fight on its head at close range.

This comes down to the jab for me...Spinks had a very tough one to deal with. It wasnt just any jab it was a lance, a very hard and long punch that didnt just keep people at bay..it hurt them.
And I have yet to see film of Tunney where he is taking on someone who could jab like Spinks.
He was fleet footed and a very cerebral fighter..but I just havent seen the video evidence that supports him being able to deal with a guy like Michael because I just have never seen him in there with a guy like him.

Tunney is a very smart, tough and versatile fighter...And I am 100% sure he would take at least one fight in a series..and that every fight they had would be a close affair.

But If Im boiling it down to one fight..Ill take Michael to frustrate and rock Gene enough to scrap by in a decision.
Gene was light years ahead of most of his opponents stylistically and in the skills department....but he is facing a guy who was at a similar stage...Just in another era.


this is a really good post:shock: and put much better than i could
spinks dec win

[GPater11093]

I like tunney here.

I think he could use his clever matador esque movement and rapier like jab to keep Spinks off balance and not let him get set up for the Spinks Jinx. Also i think Tunney is the better boxer here and could beat Spinks to the punch with his jab and really keep him off balance and then Tunney is in controll.

I see Spinks all of a sudden changing his timing and landing the right hand and perhaps dropping Tunney like Dempsey did or probably more likely hurting him and taking a 10-8 round.

I see a Tunney win 8-4 something liek that

[PowerPuncher]

This is tough 1, I think Tunney is the better boxer mover, but Spinks is rangier and a seriously big puncher which may spell disaster for Tunney's ow handed defense. Spinks has also dealt with a similar style against Holmes.

I see this as a nip and tuck tactical affair with no man clearly dominating - Tunney by SD

[junior-soprano]

60% tunney wins by tko or ko
30% tunney wins by descision
10% spinks gets lucky

[Jorodz]

60% tunney wins by tko or ko
30% tunney wins by descision
10% spinks gets lucky

:!:not a spinks fan are you? personally i feel this is just as tough to say as charles/conn. spinks head to head is one of the top 5 light heavies of all time; the problem is he's going against a top 3 light heavy all time

[Mendoza]

I never thought Spinks looked good against a mover. Anything mobile he looked a bit ordinary (the Davis brothers). He really shone against those standing in front of him (Qawi, Lopez, Johnson). Tunney could move and box very well and was a real strategist. I'm going to go with Tunney over 12 comfortably. However, if it was over 15 I may have him only sneaking the decision with him looking a bit worse for wear. But that's the pick, Tunney over 12 rounds.

Scartissue

Same here. Tunney via close decsion.

[Flea Man]

60% tunney wins by tko or ko
30% tunney wins by descision
10% spinks gets lucky

That's NOT a vote.

[KOTF]

Ah but I thought we weren't supposed to vote

[Boilermaker]

No one has picked it so far, but i am going with a Majority decision in a draw. Every advantage that Spinks has, is cancelled by a different advantage for Tunney. Both are great champions in every way. Every time i think i lean towards one, i second guess myself.

[Flea Man]

No one has picked it so far, but i am going with a Majority decision in a draw. Every advantage that Spinks has, is cancelled by a different advantage for Tunney. Both are great champions in every way. Every time i think i lean towards one, i second guess myself.

You can't pick a Draw as someone needs to advance:patsch

[Flea Man]

Ah but I thought we weren't supposed to vote

Are you stupid???? We're not voting as in clicking on a poll option, we're supposed to analyse the stylistic match-up and decide who would win, is there something wrong with my tourney as opposed to everyone elses as no one made these ridiculous comments on Pea/Pater/Teeto/La-Califa's tournaments

fuckin 'tards some of ya

At least Cotto20 hasn't been seen for a week or so:lol:

[KOTF]

Are you stupid???? We're not voting as in clicking on a poll option, we're supposed to analyse the stylistic match-up and decide who would win, is there something wrong with my tourney as opposed to everyone elses as no one made these ridiculous comments on Pea/Pater/Teeto/La-Califa's tournaments

fuckin 'tards some of ya

At least Cotto20 hasn't been seen for a week or so:lol:

It was only sarcasm. If I had to make a pick I would assume Tunney would win a competitive decision w/ the same reasons scartissue brought up

[Flea Man]

It was only sarcasm. If I had to make a pick I would assume Tunney would win a competitive decision w/ the same reasons scartissue brought up

Thanks. Nice avatar:good

[JohnThomas1]

Spinks for me. I think his all round game would carry him to a reasonably close decision with Tunney's chin holding up well. Spinks unorthodox style makes the difference.

[Boilermaker]

You can't pick a Draw as someone needs to advance:patsch

No they dont, didnt you watch Wrestlemania IV?:yep

I find it hard to give a reason, if i have to split though, i will give the newspaper decision to spinks on the basis that he looks a little bit tougher.

[GDG]

I see Spinks advancing to the next round and making himself one of the early favourites by jabbing his way to a UD.

Tunney has the slight edge in speed but gets tagged when he tries to get inside Spinks jab, nullifying his attacking arsenal.

9-3 Spinks.

[Drew101]

Spinks' jab is good enough to keep it close, and his power would probably have some effect on Tunney at some point. Maybe it wouldn't score a stoppage, but I can see the Fighting Marine being badly shaken and becoming a bit more cautious, allowing the Jinx to close strong enough to earn a close UD.

[AlFrancis]

Close one this!

[JimmyShimmy]

I like Spinks, but Tunney was never really unleashed as a LH 'cause he was fighting back a heavyweight poundage when he was the best out there.

In his fight against Carpentier for instance he was very weakened.

I think Tunney takes his physical strength to Spink's and puts the awkward fighter on the back foot to some effective lock n' poppin' over 15. Tunney has the chin here ya see.

[Beatle]

Tunney by decision. Both guys are fast but Tunney is less aggressive, meaning that Spinks will try to get off first and Tunney just does not get hit by straight punches (which is what Spinks throws 99% of the time). Tunney will counterpunch and win the early rounds, and then wins the later rounds because of his great stamina (and because Spinks will have used up more energy).

[teeto]

No they dont, didnt you watch Wrestlemania IV?:yep

.

:rofl:rofl

One of the first ever vids i had of wrestling, it was a two-casette box, i remember i lost part 2 early when i was really young and it's never found.

They were the days.

[Quick Cash]

I'll side with the Spinks crowd for this one. A match like this would be close, but based on what I've seen, I have to give it Michael.

[Bummy Davis]

Tunney keeps Spinks honest with his power and outhustles him with his speed UD or a late stop

[Flea Man]

I say Tunney frustrates Spinks early on and takes the first three or four rounds. His ability to circle Spinks right hand and pepper him with jabs and dart in and out throwing uppercuts are going to, at times, literally stun Spinks.

But as the fight goes on Spinks will stop probing with the jab and explode. Both men threw good sharp uppercuts on the inside, but I think the power (in both hands) clearly lies with Spinks here.

Tunney was never stopped. I think Spinks will be the aggressor late on and can find Tunney with either hand as Spinks was a fantastic body puncher IMO and would've slowed him down. I give Tunney the benefit of the doubt and say he survives, but at Light-Heavy Spinks' power was on a par with Dempseys at heavy IMO, and he also has the benefit of pretty much half a century of advancements.

Spinks PTS Tunney 7-5 No KD's, but Spinks being the clear victor, Tunney barely hanging on at the end.

[Flea Man]

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[red cobra]

Tunney was too fast, focused and disciplined for him to roll over and be beaten by Spinks as though he were a Steffan Tangstad or a sloppy, shot Gerry Cooney. There even existed over his wins over Holmes the shadow of doubt....Tunney forever remains the most underrated heavy champ..even Ezzard Charles gets more regard. Tunney would be accurate with that jab and solid right hand of his, and would have been too smart to be "jinxed". Spinks was great at lightheavyweight, but Tunney would have him at heavyweight.

[red cobra]

What I left out was most relevant, and that was the fact that Tunney had a world class chin..even if he was hit by Spinks, chances are he would take it, or, if hurt, would have the presence of mind to get on his bike like he did with Dempsey until all was clear...Tunney by a decision.

[AlFrancis]

What I left out was most relevant, and that was the fact that Tunney had a world class chin..even if he was hit by Spinks, chances are he would take it, or, if hurt, would have the presence of mind to get on his bike like he did with Dempsey until all was clear...Tunney by a decision.


Is that Tunney by decision at Lightheavy?

[Flea Man]

Is that Tunney by decision at Lightheavy?

I was thinking the same thing:think

[mcvey]

Tunney's fast feet give him the edge here ,coupled with the fact he had underated power in his right , he takes a close decision here from the awkwardly effective Spinks.

[red cobra]

Tunney by a decision at either weight.