What 154 lb champions would you make an underdog to Floyd Mayweather?

[KOTF]

On the night he fought Oscar, what 154 lbers would you pick Floyd Mayweather to beat? (besides Oscar of course)

[WhataRock]

Javier Castillejo
Travis Simms
Bronco McKart
Eddie Gazo
Koiji Wajima
Luis Santana
Joachim Alcine
Rocky Mattioli

There is probably a few more...Those off the top of my head Mayweather should beat quite clearly.

[KOTF]

What about Trinidad and Mayorga

[WhataRock]

Dont know about Tito...though he could beat him.

Mayo...dont know there either. If we consider the best version of Mayo, his unorthodox and uninhibited aggression has spelt trouble for pure boxers before.
I suppose Mayo would probably be the betting underdog but I wouldnt make the odds to wide.

PBF just didnt look that sensational to me at 147-154.

[redrooster]

Ayub kalule, the perennial steppingstone for all up and comers.

[WhataRock]

Ayub kalule, the perennial steppingstone for all up and comers.

You continue to show your absolute ignorance when it comes to Kalule, red.

First you say McCallum starched him..which he didnt. Then you say he did it twice..which even a 3 sec scramble to boxrec would tell you otherwise.

He was a legit titlist who gave a p4p superstar and ATG a pretty decent fight.

That version of Kalule is giving Floyd hell...you can bank on it.

[boxingman]

No Way! Floyd is a great fighter, but No way in hell will he beat Simms, he's to fast, to strong and hard to hit!

[PowerPuncher]

What about Trinidad and Mayorga

He beats Mayorga who is a class below and gets schooled, you think FMJ can't do what Spinks did? Everyone loves Tito but he has no jab, isnt hard to hit, poor balance, and lost against all the prime boxer types he's met. All FMJ has to do is potshot and look out for the left hook, an over simplification but Tito doesnt match up well against boxer types, obviously he has size/power advantages

In answer to the Q he beats plenty but won't look like a Pretty Boy doing it in most cases as hes so small at the weight

[Flea Man]

Mayorga is super strong and hits like a mule (at the lower weight) though at his best against Forrest, he would be hitting Floyd all over and Floyd doesn't have the power to keep Mayorga off of him like others. His footspeed and movement is great but Mayorga is not someone he can do a 'B-Hop vs Pavlik' on; he is unpredictable and wild.

Tito I think is all wrong for Floyd. He has fairly fast feet, a good jab and put together combos well. I'm sorry but he's as bad for Floyd at 154 as Jackson is IMO. Durable at the weight, hits super hard, fairly good skills.

I do rate Floyd, but not at 154. Once when there was a Floyd vs McCallum thread people went for Floyd. It's madness.

[Thread Stealer]

Cory Spinks
Luis Santana
Ricardo Mayorga

[BENNY BLANCO]

Cory Spinks
Luis Santana
Ricardo Mayorga I hate Luis Santana, he's such a bitch for his two acting jobs in the first two Terry Norris fights.

[BENNY BLANCO]

He beats Mayorga who is a class below and gets schooled, you think FMJ can't do what Spinks did? Everyone loves Tito but he has no jab, isnt hard to hit, poor balance, and lost against all the prime boxer types he's met. All FMJ has to do is potshot and look out for the left hook, an over simplification but Tito doesnt match up well against boxer types, obviously he has size/power advantages

In answer to the Q he beats plenty but won't look like a Pretty Boy doing it in most cases as hes so small at the weight Sad at how Tito has become so underrated these past couple of years. You make Tito out to be some Randall Bailey type slugger.

Tito had a good jab and good balance after he would get knocked down early.

[laxpdx]

Mayorga
Vargas

Trinidad-maybe. Possibly Davey Moore, given his inexperience.

[rekcutnevets]

I don't know how well Mayweather with Mayorga.

Mayorga may not be the best ever at anyweight, but he was a formidable foe at 154. Mayorga tore into Vernon Forrest on two occasions. Mayorga held his ground with Shane Mosley. Mosley is not as slick as Mayweather, but is stronger and more powerful.

[laxpdx]

I don't know how well Mayweather with Mayorga.

Mayorga may not be the best ever at anyweight, but he was a formidable foe at 154. Mayorga tore into Vernon Forrest on two occasions. Mayorga held his ground with Shane Mosley. Mosley is not as slick as Mayweather, but is stronger and more powerful.

I think all Floyd has to do is what DLH did. Stand back, let Mayorga punch himself out, then move in for the kill.

[WhataRock]

I think all Floyd has to do is what DLH did. Stand back, let Mayorga punch himself out, then move in for the kill.


Thats not really what he did.

He held his ground and nearly knocked him the fuck out in the first. Oscar beat Mayo's arse in that one. He didnt use tactics I see Floyd using.

Floyd is smaller and tends to go into a defensive shell when under the pump like that.

[BENNY BLANCO]

WhataRock whos the chick in your thread?

[WhataRock]

Sofia Legend.

[BENNY BLANCO]

Sofia Legend. She has that very natural look I like, is she Australian?....Or even a mixed Aboriginal?:lol:

[laxpdx]

Thats not really what he did.

He held his ground and nearly knocked him the fuck out in the first. Oscar beat Mayo's arse in that one. He didnt use tactics I see Floyd using.

Floyd is smaller and tends to go into a defensive shell when under the pump like that.

Well, my point is, if Floyd fought defensively and made Mayorga miss repeatedly, he could wear him out late.

[BENNY BLANCO]

Well, my point is, if Floyd fought defensively and made Mayorga miss repeatedly, he could wear him out late. You really think that's a possibility?

[WhataRock]

She has that very natural look I like, is she Australian?....Or even a mixed Aboriginal?:lol:

:D
Nah. Though I swear to you some of the hottest birds Ive seen had some aboriginal in them.

If my memory serves me correct she is Canadian of Croatian and Chinese stock.

Absolutely gorgeous.

[rekcutnevets]

Posted by laxpdx
I think all Floyd has to do is what DLH did. Stand back, let Mayorga punch himself out, then move in for the kill.
De la Hoya did not use that approach. De la Hoya stood in front of Mayorga, and used his superior technique and speed to beat Mayorga to the punch.

The way I phrased my remarks, you should have called me out for speaking as though the bouts I mentioned occurred at the same weight.

[laxpdx]

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[laxpdx]

You really think that's a possibility?


Mayorga was a wild swinger. I guess that is why I don't give him much of a chance against anybody....anybody noteworthy, that is. I just think if Floyd employed lots of movement, slipped and rolled, then countered, I think PBF would win a decision, if Ricardo doesn't KO him first. He did have pretty good power, I will give Ricardo that. But if Mayorga can't connect consistently enough, he just might gas himself out. This is where Mayorga's windmill-like tendencies could come back to haunt him.

[frankenfrank]

Terry Norris.
Hw was stopped by lesser men.
So floyd could also.
floyd beats him some 4(1):0 or 4(2):0

[WhataRock]

Terry Norris.
Hw was stopped by lesser men.
So floyd could also.
floyd beats him some 4(1):0 or 4(2):0


:lol:

Floyd stops Terry at 154?

Frankenberry you are my favorite. :rofl:rofl:rofl

[lefthook31]

How can you bet against Floyd? He has turned up his game pretty well in the big fights. Havent even really seen him hurt or stunned either. Not sure he was up for the first Castillo fight, but the second one was a shutout. Besides that fight, I dont know of many fights that looked very hard for Mayweather. Hes quick hard to hit and a master technician. It would take someone super strong quick, and with an excellent offense. ODLH showed a little success if you can call it that, because of his speed. Norris had some good speed, but like someone said, he was beaten by lessor men at 54, so its not a slam dunk win for Norris. Until I see someone actually beat Floyd, and hes faced some good fighters, its hard to pick against him.
I always thought Floyd needed to be forced to lead to be effective against him. Zab Judah had a few good rounds against him by doing this, but Mayweather eventually broke him down. Guys like Winky Wright and Vernon Forrest would be fighting similarly, but with not near the speed of Judah even though at 47.

[Flea Man]

Terry Norris.
Hw was stopped by lesser men.
So floyd could also.
floyd beats him some 4(1):0 or 4(2):0

Terry Norris is fast enough and consistent enough in his throwing that he could very well blow Floyd away early.

Honestly, Norris is about the worst match-ups I could think for Floyd at 154. Floyd hasn't got the power to stop Norris, NOT AT ALL, he wasn't a Jackson/Brown-esque hitter at ANY WEIGHT.

Frankenwank is a truly demented weirdo:lol:

[PowerPuncher]

Mayorga is super strong and hits like a mule (at the lower weight) though at his best against Forrest, he would be hitting Floyd all over and Floyd doesn't have the power to keep Mayorga off of him like others. His footspeed and movement is great but Mayorga is not someone he can do a 'B-Hop vs Pavlik' on; he is unpredictable and wild.

Tito I think is all wrong for Floyd. He has fairly fast feet, a good jab and put together combos well. I'm sorry but he's as bad for Floyd at 154 as Jackson is IMO. Durable at the weight, hits super hard, fairly good skills.

I do rate Floyd, but not at 154. Once when there was a Floyd vs McCallum thread people went for Floyd. It's madness.

Mayorga = Gatti who smokes cigars for his PEDs. OK Mayorga is faster, more relentless etc but essentially easy to hit, easy to make miss and doesnt hit as hard as he thinks

[Flea Man]

Mayorga = Gatti who smokes cigars for his PEDs. OK Mayorga is faster, more relentless etc but essentially easy to hit, easy to make miss and doesnt hit as hard as he thinks

Unlike Gatti he beat an undefeated Vernon Forrest. Gatti was in wars with fringe contenders/glorifed club fighters. Mayorga lost to Spinks, De La Hoya and Tito 'around his prime' which, with his lifestyle has been never really. He's inconsistent, yes. He beat a fighter who had momentary lapses in concentration like Forrest. He's no great.

But Mosley had serious problems with Mayorga's awkwardness. This is way past his prime. Mosley needed THAT knockout to end it and was, IMO way behind on the cards morally even if the official scorecards didn't say so. Mosley; undoubtedly past prime as well, but went on to defeat Margarito in much easier fashion just a few months later.

With the little to no chance of a K.O as Floyd has, he would have to be very strong on the inside to tie Mayorga up and take his rushes. Spinks didn't put on a beautiful display of boxing to beat Mayorga. He's a naturally bigger guy than Floyd too.

Floyd is going to be throwing one shot at a time and trying to be fleet footed when a way past prime Oscar was able to keep Floyd in the corner at times. Unlike Oscars punches, Floyd isn't going to able to parry and smile at Mayorga's; he won't know where they're coming from and they're going to be coming with serious force.

Say what you will, but I believe Mayorga will freak Floyd out and win a decision. And that's just being polite to Floyd because with a big wildman like Mayorga (who I doubt Floyd would even agree to fight anyway) pressurising him I can't see Roger wanting to see too much of it.

FLOYD IS NOT A JUNIOR-MIDDLEWEIGHT:good

Oh, yeah only my opinion bud :good

[la-califa]

Maurice Hope. Actually I think he would give Floyd a great fight.

[frankenfrank]

Terry Norris is fast enough and consistent enough in his throwing that he could very well blow Floyd away early.

Honestly, Norris is about the worst match-ups I could think for Floyd at 154. Floyd hasn't got the power to stop Norris, NOT AT ALL, he wasn't a Jackson/Brown-esque hitter at ANY WEIGHT.

Frankenwank is a truly demented weirdo:lol:
one doesn't have to be a jackson-esque to stop norris.
tszyu didn't stop hatton and floyd did.
norris gets too much respect here from the likes of you.

[la-califa]

one doesn't have to be a jackson-esque to stop norris.
tszyu didn't stop hatton and floyd did.
norris gets too much respect here from the likes of you.
Prime Tszyu would have destroyed Hatton.

[PowerPuncher]

Unlike Gatti he beat an undefeated Vernon Forrest. Gatti was in wars with fringe contenders/glorifed club fighters. Mayorga lost to Spinks, De La Hoya and Tito 'around his prime' which, with his lifestyle has been never really. He's inconsistent, yes. He beat a fighter who had momentary lapses in concentration like Forrest. He's no great.

But Mosley had serious problems with Mayorga's awkwardness. This is way past his prime. Mosley needed THAT knockout to end it and was, IMO way behind on the cards morally even if the official scorecards didn't say so. Mosley; undoubtedly past prime as well, but went on to defeat Margarito in much easier fashion just a few months later.

With the little to no chance of a K.O as Floyd has, he would have to be very strong on the inside to tie Mayorga up and take his rushes. Spinks didn't put on a beautiful display of boxing to beat Mayorga. He's a naturally bigger guy than Floyd too.

Floyd is going to be throwing one shot at a time and trying to be fleet footed when a way past prime Oscar was able to keep Floyd in the corner at times. Unlike Oscars punches, Floyd isn't going to able to parry and smile at Mayorga's; he won't know where they're coming from and they're going to be coming with serious force.

Say what you will, but I believe Mayorga will freak Floyd out and win a decision. And that's just being polite to Floyd because with a big wildman like Mayorga (who I doubt Floyd would even agree to fight anyway) pressurising him I can't see Roger wanting to see too much of it.

FLOYD IS NOT A JUNIOR-MIDDLEWEIGHT:good

Oh, yeah only my opinion bud :good

Using the ABC/Form argument we can see Mayorga lost to Spinks, Judah in my eyes beat Spinks twice stopping him once, we know Mayweather gave Judah a bit of a beating. We know Delahoya blasted Mayorga out of there, the same DLH Mayweather beat. ABC logic doesn't always work out but clearly FMJ has been performing better

Mayorga at 154 was faded compared to the 147lb version and went 12 with that Italian guy Jamie Moore blasted out. Mayorga simply has no top wins at 154. Mayorga has no height/reach advantages at 154 and isnt a huge 154lber.

Stylistically, Mayorga is there to be countered and if DLH/Tito counter him, FMJ will do the same albeit with not as much power, but flush counters still hurt. Offensively FMJ has seen similar offensive styles from Judah and Hatton and wild shots just couldnt land. Mayorga also will fade down the stretch against a fit fighter like Mayweather so even if FMJ fights very negatively and they are level at 8rounds its likely

Floyd isnt a 154lber BUT I'd put money on him beating Mayorga and I dont bet on too many fights and I probably wouldnt put money on him beating Tito even if I'd pick him

[Flea Man]

Prime Tszyu would have destroyed Hatton.

Negative.

[Flea Man]

Using the ABC/Form argument we can see Mayorga lost to Spinks, Judah in my eyes beat Spinks twice stopping him once, we know Mayweather gave Judah a bit of a beating. We know Delahoya blasted Mayorga out of there, the same DLH Mayweather beat. ABC logic doesn't always work out but clearly FMJ has been performing better

Mayorga at 154 was faded compared to the 147lb version and went 12 with that Italian guy Jamie Moore blasted out. Mayorga simply has no top wins at 154. Mayorga has no height/reach advantages at 154 and isnt a huge 154lber.

Stylistically, Mayorga is there to be countered and if DLH/Tito counter him, FMJ will do the same albeit with not as much power, but flush counters still hurt. Offensively FMJ has seen similar offensive styles from Judah and Hatton and wild shots just couldnt land. Mayorga also will fade down the stretch against a fit fighter like Mayweather so even if FMJ fights very negatively and they are level at 8rounds its likely

Floyd isnt a 154lber BUT I'd put money on him beating Mayorga and I dont bet on too many fights and I probably wouldnt put money on him beating Tito even if I'd pick him

None of this makes sense. Piccirilo also went 11 rounds with Forrest before being stopped, are you saying Jamie Moore's better than Forrest.

At one point Vasquez stopped Larios in one and three rounds. larios went on to last the distance at super-feather against Pac.

These things dn't work. I wasn't comparing common opponents more saying that Floyd is not big enough to beat Mayorga and here's why.:good

[PowerPuncher]

None of this makes sense. Piccirilo also went 11 rounds with Forrest before being stopped, are you saying Jamie Moore's better than Forrest.

At one point Vasquez stopped Larios in one and three rounds. larios went on to last the distance at super-feather against Pac.

These things dn't work. I wasn't comparing common opponents more saying that Floyd is not big enough to beat Mayorga and here's why.:good

I was mainly painting a form line of the 2 and if Mayorga was a huge 154lber and kicking ass at the weight I may agree despite his skill set, he's not and he's smaller than DLH, who is actually a pretty huge 154lber himself.

Interestingly a Tito fight was talked about after the DLH fight

[Flea Man]

I was mainly painting a form line of the 2 and if Mayorga was a huge 154lber and kicking ass at the weight I may agree despite his skill set, he's not and he's smaller than DLH, who is actually a pretty huge 154lber himself.

Interestingly a Tito fight was talked about after the DLH fight

He's definitely shorter than De La Hoya. Smaller? Nope, Mayorga re-hydrates big time.