I'm becoming fascinated with Carlos Monzon

[teeto]

I bought the Boxing News today and was reading the feature on him.

It's about how he was somewhat of an unknown in Italy when he went to Rome to challenge Nino Benvenuti for the middleweight championship of the world. It of course touches on his being a 'wildman'.

An excerpt from the article entitled 'The Masked Man Cometh';

''Benvenuti, who visited him in prison in Argentina, says 'He was someone, who until the end of his days, stays himself- from when he was born until when he died. He never changed. He always lived close to the limits of both acceptable behaviour and the law. He was a wildman who had to be accepted by others rather than him adapting.'

One of Sricchia's memories rather confirms this. 'I saw Monzon in his hotel one time. He was throwing oranges- with real intent- from one of the windows at passers by'''.







I really think that if one film could be made about a historical boxer, provided it could be pulled off expertly in every aspect (and this would be difficult), i'd pick him.

[Flea Man]

Yeah but who would play him? How tall is Gael Garcia Bernal? Don't think he's 6'nothing. Shame coz with a bit of bulk he could pull it off.

I also like the bit in that feature where they say he was spitting on the ground at the weigh in. The way he destroys Nino in that fight....that final right hand is devastating.

[teeto]

Yeah but who would play him? How tall is Gael Garcia Bernal? Don't think he's 6'nothing. Shame coz with a bit of bulk he could pull it off.

I also like the bit in that feature where they say he was spitting on the ground at the weigh in. The way he destroys Nino in that fight....that final right hand is devastating.
Oh so you read it as well Flea. Great read but very short. Yeah like i said, i wouldn't want the film to be made unless it was done to perfection. I reckon someone with an acting style similar to a young Eastwood would be great (obviously he'd have to look different), you need someone who can play coldness to a tee.

[Flea Man]

Oh so you read it as well Flea. Great read but very short. Yeah like i said, i wouldn't want the film to be made unless it was done to perfection. I reckon someone with an acting style similar to a young Eastwood would be great (obviously he'd have to look different), you need someone who can play coldness to a tee.

The obvious choice is Javier Bardem ten years ago:lol::good

[teeto]

The obvious choice is Javier Bardem ten years ago:lol::good
Any pics Flea?

[GPater11093]

I bought the Boxing News today and was reading the feature on him.

It's about how he was somewhat of an unknown in Italy when he went to Rome to challenge Nino Benvenuti for the middleweight championship of the world. It of course touches on his being a 'wildman'.

An excerpt from the article entitled 'The Masked Man Cometh';

''Benvenuti, who visited him in prison in Argentina, says 'He was someone, who until the end of his days, stays himself- from when he was born until when he died. He never changed. He always lived close to the limits of both acceptable behaviour and the law. He was a wildman who had to be accepted by others rather than him adapting.'

One of Sricchia's memories rather confirms this. 'I saw Monzon in his hotel one time. He was throwing oranges- with real intent- from one of the windows at passers by'''.







I really think that if one film could be made about a historical boxer, provided it could be pulled off expertly in every aspect (and this would be difficult), i'd pick him.

I read it on the bus on the way to the gym and that bit in bold had me laughing out loud madly. People was staring at me :lol:

Was a nice article

Ive become fascinated with him aswell, such an interesting character however i much i think the guy is a dick head hes the king of cool

[teeto]

I read it on the bus on the way to the gym and that bit in bold had me laughing out loud madly. People was staring at me :lol:

Was a nice article

Ive become fascinated with him aswell, such an interesting character however i much i think the guy is a dick head hes the king of cool
Haha, same sort of fascination as myself then GP.

[GPater11093]

Haha, same sort of fascination as myself then GP.

yeh i realy like his style aswell and his coolness.

Hes one scary guy though. from that article a guy mentions about him having the American Indian mask of a face that really summed up his characterless face.

You ever saw that film Haloween and the guy Myers wears that mask which is kinda facless and generic, well thats what Monzons face was like. expressionless

[Flea Man]

Pater; Comparing Monzon to Myers; perfect :good

Teeto, can't figure out posting pics on here, he was in 'No County For Old Men'. His character in that seemed Monzon-esque :rofl

[GPater11093]

Pater; Comparing Monzon to Myers; perfect :good


the worst 2 guys to meet in an empty house IMO

theres somethig about Monzon hes seriously freaky

[teeto]

Pater; Comparing Monzon to Myers; perfect :good

Teeto, can't figure out posting pics on here, he was in 'No County For Old Men'. His character in that seemed Monzon-esque :rofl
Okay i'll check that out.

[teeto]

the worst 2 guys to meet in an empty house IMO

theres somethig about Monzon hes seriously freaky
He is, but like you say, it's in a cool way. He looked dashing but scary at the same time.

[GPater11093]

He is, but like you say, it's in a cool way. He looked dashing but scary at the same time.

Yeh he was the King of Cool, no doubt about it but he was one chilling guy wasnt he, even thrugh the TV hes shit your pants scary

[teeto]

Yeh he was the King of Cool, no doubt about it but he was one chilling guy wasnt he, even thrugh the TV hes shit your pants scary
The film is a must isn't it?

We need a campaign!

[GPater11093]

The film is a must isn't it?

We need a campaign!

yeh would be good

just be hard to pull it off but if someone did it WOW

[red cobra]

To be that "wild man" outside the ring and to be so expressionless and reptilian in the ring is what fascinates me about Carlos Monzon...I watched his fights..his defenses on tv in the 70's and the guy never let me down...made me look like an expert by my confident prediction of victory after victory. I was shocked when Valdez put him down in the 2nd, but I honestly was not shocked at how he came back to win the fight...a comeback of ring-character as complete and impressive as any of Ali's or any other great who had to stare down then overcome adversity. There was something that impressed me more about Monzon's impassive demeanor, control and cold style than Duran, Hagler, Leonard, Ali, ..all of the more warm and human traits and displays of em otion or savagery that other fighter's displayed, and damn it...Monzon didn't lose..didn't get humbled as champion and have his crown snatched from him..he went the route only that very small select elite did...Marciano, Tunney and precious few others, as if to say "you're not taking a damned thing away from me"..and of course the most impressive thing about doing that is not ever coming back..staying retired, ..knowing when to quit, with the image of you as a winner to be what you choose for others to remember. Hell yes, Monzon impressed me and never let me down, that's why he's my favorite fighter, despite being a monster outside the ring.

[teeto]

To be that "wild man" outside the ring and to be so expressionless and reptilian in the ring is what fascinates me about Carlos Monzon...I watched his fights..his defenses on tv in the 70's and the guy never let me down...made me look like an expert by my confident prediction of victory after victory. I was shocked when Valdez put him down in the 2nd, but I honestly was not shocked at how he came back to win the fight...a comeback of ring-character as complete and impressive as any of Ali's or any other great who had to stare down then overcome adversity. There was something that impressed me more about Monzon's impassive demeanor, control and cold style than Duran, Hagler, Leonard, Ali, ..all of the more warm and human traits and displays of em otion or savagery that other fighter's displayed, and damn it...Monzon didn't lose..didn't get humbled as champion and have his crown snatched from him..he went the route only that very small select elite did...Marciano, Tunney and precious few others, as if to say "you're not taking a damned thing away from me"..and of course the most impressive thing about doing that is not ever coming back..staying retired, ..knowing when to quit, with the image of you as a winner to be what you choose for others to remember. Hell yes, Monzon impressed me and never let me down, that's why he's my favorite fighter, despite being a monster outside the ring.
Thanks for that, really good post. I was just about to ask the forum if anyone who remembers his prime would like to add anything on such a note.

[red cobra]

Someone has GOT to write a damned biography at least on Monzon, and frankly, I'm both puzzled and amazed that no Latin, ...Argentine, or from any damned Latin country hasn't done it already...usually a book is written before a film is made, it just has always seemed that way anyway, it has always aggravated the shit out of me that SOMEONE Latin, or no, hasn't attempted a biography, and if someone informs us that they have already, then the publishing house AND the author need to be lectured about the importance of letting people know about the damned thing, and not keep it a secret.

[Russell]

Someone has GOT to write a damned biography at least on Monzon, and frankly, I'm both puzzled and amazed that no Latin, ...Argentine, or from any damned Latin country hasn't done it already...usually a book is written before a film is made, it just has always seemed that way anyway, it has always aggravated the shit out of me that SOMEONE Latin, or no, hasn't attempted a biography, and if someone informs us that they have already, then the publishing house AND the author need to be lectured about the importance of letting people know about the damned thing, and not keep it a secret.

Maybe the thoughts been entertained, or attempted, but been held up in different ways. Maybe the family of the women he murdered threatened legal action?

That's stopped other books from being published.

[red cobra]

Monzon wasn't always the flashy, spectacular, theatrical, emotional star that so many other greats have been...no colorful quotes, or jive antics with the press..he was, quite frankly, as he is criticised, arrogant, cold and aloof. His fights were won with such little emotion and flash, so matter of fact, that maybe it didn't grab Joe-sixpack, cause he couldn't put a handle on what he had just seen or appreciate the subtlety of it....cold, efficient, no flash subtlety..like as I described in the first post, kind of reptilian. My broither in law and me watched him chop down Emile Griffith the first time, and when the 14th round tko came, by bro in law asked "what took him so long?" Hell, it wasn't up to me to explain cold patience and calculation in execution to him, he wouldn't have understood anyway. There's also something I wish I could dig up somewhere out there in the big wide world of the internet, and it would be a video, of a fight, and I'm almost sure that it was Duran-Moore, of a big gathering of modern day (70's and 80's) Latin boxing champs and ex-champs at ringside for this fight..it was shown on either Wide World of Sports or one of the other free channels, and it was taped, the fight wasn't live, but they panned to all the champs and former champs in the crowd, Arguello, Benitez, Ortiz, Escalera, and then Monzon, which surprised me for some reason... all either were animated in conversation, or smiling at the camera, except for Monzon, who was expressionless and shot the cold, guarded gaze of a killer at the camera. Monzon contrasted with every other personality there at ringside. I'll never forget that, and I wish I coulkd be 100% sure what event it was, and if there exists a video of it.

[teeto]

Monzon wasn't always the flashy, spectacular, theatrical, emotional star that so many other greats have been...no colorful quotes, or jive antics with the press..he was, quite frankly, as he is criticised, arrogant, cold and aloof. His fights were won with such little emotion and flash, so matter of fact, that maybe it didn't grab Joe-sixpack, cause he couldn't put a handle on what he had just seen or appreciate the subtlety of it....cold, efficient, no flash subtlety..like as I described in the first post, kind of reptilian. My broither in law and me watched him chop down Emile Griffith the first time, and when the 14th round tko came, by bro in law asked "what took him so long?" Hell, it wasn't up to me to explain cold patience and calculation in execution to him, he wouldn't have understood anyway. There's also something I wish I could dig up somewhere out there in the big wide world of the internet, and it would be a video, of a fight, and I'm almost sure that it was Duran-Moore, of a big gathering of modern day (70's and 80's) Latin boxing champs and ex-champs at ringside for this fight..it was shown on either Wide World of Sports or one of the other free channels, and it was taped, the fight wasn't live, but they panned to all the champs and former champs in the crowd, Arguello, Benitez, Ortiz, Escalera, and then Monzon, which surprised me for some reason... all either were animated in conversation, or smiling at the camera, except for Monzon, who was expressionless and shot the cold, guarded gaze of a killer at the camera. Monzon contrasted with every other personality there at ringside. I'll never forget that, and I wish I coulkd be 100% sure what event it was, and if there exists a video of it.
I'm gutted i have to go now, the charger for my laptop is playing up and i don't want to aggrevate the pin inside it so i'm going to turn it off, pain in the arse.

But i would be really glad if someone finds this vid you're talking of.

Thanks for the posts RC. Great to see the thoughts of an authentic King Carlos fan.

[red cobra]

Thank you Teeto.

[red cobra]

I read it on the bus on the way to the gym and that bit in bold had me laughing out loud madly. People was staring at me :lol:

Was a nice article

Ive become fascinated with him aswell, such an interesting character however i much i think the guy is a dick head hes the king of cool
Exactly..the King Of Cool..there's a picture I saw that someone took of Monzon and Galindez on the town somewhere, maybe Paris, and talk about two rough looking hombres...both in black, and leather I think..Monzon obviously didn't like his picture taken..he looked like a killer in that photo..more so than Galindez.

[Caponecartels]

There's also something I wish I could dig up somewhere out there in the big wide world of the internet, and it would be a video, of a fight, and I'm almost sure that it was Duran-Moore, of a big gathering of modern day (70's and 80's) Latin boxing champs and ex-champs at ringside for this fight..it was shown on either Wide World of Sports or one of the other free channels, and it was taped, the fight wasn't live, but they panned to all the champs and former champs in the crowd, Arguello, Benitez, Ortiz, Escalera, and then Monzon, which surprised me for some reason... all either were animated in conversation, or smiling at the camera, except for Monzon, who was expressionless and shot the cold, guarded gaze of a killer at the camera. Monzon contrasted with every other personality there at ringside. I'll never forget that, and I wish I coulkd be 100% sure what event it was, and if there exists a video of it.

Damn that sounds chilling, somebody needs to find that vid ASAP.

[curly]

The masked man cometh, brilliant article

[mcvey]

I bought the Boxing News today and was reading the feature on him.

It's about how he was somewhat of an unknown in Italy when he went to Rome to challenge Nino Benvenuti for the middleweight championship of the world. It of course touches on his being a 'wildman'.

An excerpt from the article entitled 'The Masked Man Cometh';

''Benvenuti, who visited him in prison in Argentina, says 'He was someone, who until the end of his days, stays himself- from when he was born until when he died. He never changed. He always lived close to the limits of both acceptable behaviour and the law. He was a wildman who had to be accepted by others rather than him adapting.'


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One of Sricchia's memories rather confirms this. 'I saw Monzon in his hotel one time. He was throwing oranges- with real intent- from one of the windows at passers by'''.







I really think that if one film could be made about a historical boxer, provided it could be pulled off expertly in every aspect (and this would be difficult), i'd pick him.
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[Caponecartels]

Could you post the entire article teeto? or can some one point me in the right
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[Caponecartels]

Could you post the entire article teeto? or can some one point me in the right
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[teeto]

Hello everyone, i've jsut got my laptop charging again.

CaponeCartels, i can post the whole thing later if you want, i'm about to watch the final episode of the wire in a minute, so sorry i can't help out right away. The article isn't really long enough for it to be a great one. If you are English, it is in the latest issue of Boxing News, but i think the new one is on the shelves tomorrow actually.

[Bummy Davis]

He always looked calm and took his time in a relaxed way but had the power at all times but never pressed himself for the stoppage...he was content to box but he had the explosive power...I watched most of his career and to have watched Monzon and Duran as well as some other great fighters there whole careers was a gift indeed

[teeto]

I've got this book called Lords of the Ring, the best fighters since 1950. I was re-reading the bit on Monzon kast night, it says that Mickey Rourke visited him in jail, and he thought it would be good to spar Monzon, and get some photos of it. Apparently Monzon knocked him out.

I didn't even know you could spar in jail!

[red cobra]

The 70's were, for me the supreme decade for boxing.

[AlFrancis]

I've got this book called Lords of the Ring, the best fighters since 1950. I was re-reading the bit on Monzon kast night, it says that Mickey Rourke visited him in jail, and he thought it would be good to spar Monzon, and get some photos of it. Apparently Monzon knocked him out.

I didn't even know you could spar in jail!


Yes, I've heard that story. Do you like the avatar? thought it appropriate for this thread.

[Flea Man]

Yes, I've heard that story. Do you like the avatar? thought it appropriate for this thread.

Qulity avatar:good

Was it Toney or Monzon that broke Rourke's jaw with the first punch?

[fists of fury]

Interesting thread Teeto. Red Cobra's comments were very insightful and interesting...good read.
Has anyone else noticed the facial similarity between Monzon and Richard Ramirez?

[Flea Man]

Interesting thread Teeto. Red Cobra's comments were very insightful and interesting...good read.
Has anyone else noticed the facial similarity between Monzon and Richard Ramirez?

Yes. Funnily enough both murderers as well, though I doubt The Night Stalker had as good a one-two:lol::good

[fists of fury]

Yes. Funnily enough both murderers as well, though I doubt The Night Stalker had as good a one-two:lol::good

:rofl

[teeto]

Yes, I've heard that story. Do you like the avatar? thought it appropriate for this thread.
Haha, that's a class avatar.

[teeto]

Haha, i've just google imaged richard ramirez, they do look alike!

[laxpdx]

I haven't noticed until now that, yes, Monzon and Richard Ramirez DO look alike. Interestingly enough both murderers. I'm not sure if a citizens' arrest would be effective against Monzon, as he might KO all of them!

In a strange way, Monzon also reminds me a lot of Lurch, from the "Addams Family".

Yes, I must admit King Carlos fascinates me as well. For me it's fun to watch the super-aggressive types like Hagler and Tony Ayala, but, as someone said, Monzon was the King of Cool. Carlos was a patient stalker, and could control the pace of a fight. He basically kept the opponent at arm's length. When they did get close enough, Carlos had good enough inside skills to tie up the opponent. Maybe boring to many, given his slowness, but Carlos always won.

Interesting how King Carlos fought in the same era that the actual King of Cool, Steve McQueen, was the top action hero. Nothing quite like the 60's-70's, they were the best.

[he grant]

Guys, the Sports Illustrated Archive of Monzon artilces ...

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[Caponecartels]

Guys, the Sports Illustrated Archive of Monzon artilces ...

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Oh thanks for posting that he grant. :good

[teeto]

Guys, the Sports Illustrated Archive of Monzon artilces ...

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Thanks a lot, i'm watching Monzon-Benvenuti 1 right now as it is. Just watched the English 'title' fight between John McDermott and Tyson Fury, but some Monzon is in order now.

[Caponecartels]

Thanks a lot, i'm watching Monzon-Benvenuti 1 right now as it is. Just watched the English 'title' fight between John McDermott and Tyson Fury, but some Monzon is in order now.


That final right hand snaps Nino's head back so brutally...

Great fight.

[teeto]

That final right hand snaps Nino's head back so brutally...

Great fight.
Did you ever get a read of the whole article btw CC? I wasn't ignoring you when you asked me to type it up.

Just that it's long man!!

[Caponecartels]

Did you ever get a read of the whole article btw CC? I wasn't ignoring you when you asked me to type it up.

Just that it's long man!!

Don't worry about it teeto, I'll find it later. btw, can you recommend me some of Monzons more impressive fights?

Sadly, I really haven't seen too much of the great middleweight champ.

[teeto]

Don't worry about it teeto, I'll find it later. btw, can you recommend me some of Monzons more impressive fights?

Sadly, I really haven't seen too much of the great middleweight champ.
Me meither to be really honest. I've seen this Benvenuti one i'm watching, then just what's on youtube. I've got some highlights i think on some old vids i bought years ago, but nothing extensive. There is some on youtube though.

Here's his last ever fight, if you watch this vid it just carries on to the next round and so on. He's not in his true prime here, but against maybe his best opponent and overcomes some adversity against a fine fighter who might do better than well in most eras.

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[Caponecartels]

Me meither to be really honest. I've seen this Benvenuti one i'm watching, then just what's on youtube. I've got some highlights i think on some old vids i bought years ago, but nothing extensive. There is some on youtube though.

Here's his last ever fight, if you watch this vid it just carries on to the next round and so on. He's not in his true prime here, but against maybe his best opponent and overcomes some adversity against a fine fighter who might do better than well in most eras.



lol. I thought you were the go to guy for Monzon.
I guess I'm going to have to scour youtube for Monzon.
Thanks though.

[teeto]

lol. I thought you were the go to guy for Monzon.
I guess I'm going to have to scour youtube for Monzon.
Thanks though.
Haha, no sorry. I've seen all that's on youtube though, which gives a you a decent assessment of the man as a fighter. I've read plenty about him over the years, and lately my interest just hit an all time high so i made this thread.

When you think about the likes of Tyson, Duran etc, the furious and vicious type fighters, it's becoming apparent to me that it might very well be Monzon who tops them all for true, well coldness in the ring (in a totally different way though).

[teeto]

Don't know what round i'm on now, lost count. But in the middle of the fight and Monzon is starting to batter Nino. When he throws the right hand it's like he wants it to go right through him.

[Caponecartels]

Haha, no sorry. I've seen all that's on youtube though, which gives a you a decent assessment of the man as a fighter. I've read plenty about him over the years, and lately my interest just hit an all time high so i made this thread.

When you think about the likes of Tyson, Duran etc, the furious and vicious type fighters, it's becoming apparent to me that it might very well be Monzon who tops them all for true, well coldness in the ring (in a totally different way though).

Yeah i see what your saying. Whereas Duran thrived off
his emotional rage, Monzon was more of a black hole.

I really do envy people who were able to watch these great warriors in thier primes. My pops rubs it in every chance he gets. :verysad

[teeto]

Yeah i see what your saying. Whereas Duran thrived off
his emotional rage, Monzon was more of a black hole.

I really do envy people who were able to watch these great warriors in thier primes. My pops rubs it in every chance he gets. :verysad
Haha, funny, your dad rubbing it in.

[Caponecartels]

Haha, funny, your dad rubbing it in.

He remembers all the big fights. FOTC, Duran-Buchanan, Benitez-Leonard etc.

I'm surprised when I mentioned Monzon to him though. He never knew he had killed his wife. kinda ruined his memory of him.

He did say that he felt there was something different about him. how he always looked...gloomy.

[teeto]

He remembers all the big fights. FOTC, Duran-Buchanan, Benitez-Leonard etc.

I'm surprised when I mentioned Monzon to him though. He never knew he had killed his wife. kinda ruined his memory of him.

He did say that he felt there was something different about him. how he always looked...gloomy.
That's some great memories for your old man right there. We do have some of our own, but Duran-Buchanan is a special one we missed out on for example.

So you messed up your dad's memory of Monzon, shame on you man (only kidding).

[Caponecartels]

That's some great memories for your old man right there. We do have some of our own, but Duran-Buchanan is a special one we missed out on for example.

So you messed up your dad's memory of Monzon, shame on you man (only kidding).


:lol: He knows mostly the Latin fighters. Loves Duran's style.
We always are rooting for opposites in fights though. Only time I
was right in my pick was the Mosley-Margarito fight. :D

He's actually leaning towards Mayweather in the upcoming fight.
Very surprising.

Does your dad watch boxing too?

[teeto]

:lol: He knows mostly the Latin fighters. Loves Duran's style.
We always are rooting for opposites in fights though. Only time I
was right in my pick was the Mosley-Margarito fight. :D

He's actually leaning towards Mayweather in the upcoming fight.
Very surprising.

Does your dad watch boxing too?
My dad's not an avid boxing fan, he used to always watch Tyson and the likes of Benn-Eubank with me when i was a kid. I'm the first fanatic in the family strangely. We all watch big fights together, but it's only because of my obsession really, haha.

Everyone in my house likes Tyson though!

Are you picking Mayweather yourself?

[Caponecartels]

My dad's not an avid boxing fan, he used to always watch Tyson and the likes of Benn-Eubank with me when i was a kid. I'm the first fanatic in the family strangely. We all watch big fights together, but it's only because of my obsession really, haha.

Everyone in my house likes Tyson though!

Are you picking Mayweather yourself?

It was the opposite for me. Pops was always gathering me and
my brother for the fights. Got into boxing that way.

My head says Mayweather, but my heart says JMM.
It's just that Mayweather holds almost every physical advantage
(not sure about power..)

Still, I will be rooting for JMM on fight night. :bbb

[teeto]

It was the opposite for me. Pops was always gathering me and
my brother for the fights. Got into boxing that way.

My head says Mayweather, but my heart says JMM.
It's just that Mayweather holds almost every physical advantage
(not sure about power..)

Still, I will be rooting for JMM on fight night. :bbb
So are you Latin American then? I suppose i'm going with Mayweather as well, for obvious reasons, but Marquez has that amazing indomitable will to win so who knows?

I don't really mind Floyd, he's a prick, but he doesn't hide it and try to convince you otherwise. The thing i can't stand is slimey two-faced characters (like Hatton!, haha), but i like Marquez also. I'm unbiased for this one so can just enjoy hopefully a great fight, it will be i reckon. Can't wait.

[Caponecartels]

So are you Latin American then? I suppose i'm going with Mayweather as well, for obvious reasons, but Marquez has that amazing indomitable will to win so who knows?

I don't really mind Floyd, he's a prick, but he doesn't hide it and try to convince you otherwise. The thing i can't stand is slimey two-faced characters (like Hatton!, haha), but i like Marquez also. I'm unbiased for this one so can just enjoy hopefully a great fight, it will be i reckon. Can't wait.


That I am. But i wouldn't say I'm biased towards them.
I just think it's time for JMM to shine, you know?
But if he does anymore piss drinking on 24/7 then idk....... :lol:

[teeto]

That I am. But i wouldn't say I'm biased towards them.
I just think it's time for JMM to shine, you know?
But if he does anymore piss drinking on 24/7 then idk....... :lol:
I haven't seen the 24/7 for this one, wish we got it over here, would be great i reckon.

[Caponecartels]

I haven't seen the 24/7 for this one, wish we got it over here, would be great i reckon.

Other than that...."incident".. It's really not been that interesting.

You live in London?

[teeto]

Here's another nicely written passage from the same book;

(on his death)

''Tributes were paid by Argentine president Carlos Menem, by soccer star Diego Maradona and by the head of the national boxing commission. Perhaps more telling was the tribute by the ordinary people who queued for hours to file past the open coffin in Santa Fe town hall, determined to pay their respects to perhaps the finest fighter ever priduced in South America.''

[teeto]

Other than that...."incident".. It's really not been that interesting.

You live in London?
He drank his own piss?

Nar, i live in Liverpool (if you know of it!), are you Los Angeles? just a guess.

[Caponecartels]

He drank his own piss?

Nar, i live in Liverpool (if you know of it!), are you Los Angeles? just a guess.

That he did.

Oh and i live in Maryland.

[teeto]

That he did.

Oh and i live in Maryland.
Oh okay. Strange man drinking his own piss, maybe we should all do it if it's the secret to being able to fight like him.

[Caponecartels]

Oh okay. Strange man drinking his own piss, maybe we should all do it if it's the secret to being able to fight like him.

:lol: He said he's done for his last 5 or 6 fights. Brought him luck.

Lyoto Machida does this also (UFC Light-heavyweight Champion).

Maybe there is a hidden power in drinking urine.

But I'll never find out. :yep

[Caponecartels]

Here's another nicely written passage from the same book;

(on his death)

''Tributes were paid by Argentine president Carlos Menem, by soccer star Diego Maradona and by the head of the national boxing commission. Perhaps more telling was the tribute by the ordinary people who queued for hours to file past the open coffin in Santa Fe town hall, determined to pay their respects to perhaps the finest fighter ever priduced in South America.''

That's another crazy Argentinean I forgot about.
Both greats in their respective sports though.

[he grant]

I agree that Monzon is a facinating figure and one that there is a real scarcity of quality material on ... it is very frustrating .. by all accounts he was a very hard, street guy and that never left him. Straight through his championship reign he wqas still getting arrested for street fights. He was a pimp as well. He was arrested over fifty times in his life, many post title victory.

At the few boxing writers dinners he attended American writers told stories of how he spoke to no one but some of the other fighters, literally glaring at the rest. He was a violent man straight through. Monzon's icy demeanor in the ring to me always reflected that like a Liston, he was a true man of the dark side and did not need or feed on playing to the crowd. He went about his business like a hitman.

The only way a true biography of this man will be of any value is if it is written by an Argentinian who knows the land and the culture. Monzon, like Duran, stayed very close to his own. He was a very closed book.

[red cobra]

Interesting thread Teeto. Red Cobra's comments were very insightful and interesting...good read.
Has anyone else noticed the facial similarity between Monzon and Richard Ramirez?
Thanks for thr compliment Fists of Fury...and funny you should mention Richard Ramirez...I was in a book store yesterday afternoon and saw a book with Ramirez on the cover, and I thoght.."wow, he looks like Monzon!!" (lol)...of course Monzon could have made a sock puppet out of Ramirez.

[laxpdx]

In terms of a cold, efficient assassin, Monzon was like a praying mantis.

[GPater11093]

In terms of a cold, efficient assassin, Monzon was like a praying mantis.

you just summed up Monzon perfectly

[red cobra]

you just summed up Monzon perfectly
Yeah, perfect term.....it's also my term for Bob Foster among the lightheavyweights, but the same could be said for Monzon and the middles. Same cold patience, even more so than Foster, though Foster frontlined more ko power, Monzon was even more relentless in that cold, reptilian way about him. Almost like a constrictor. Animal analogies have always been used..coyotes, panthers, lions, leopards, tigers, well reptiles and preying mantis's work for Monzon.

[AlFrancis]

Teeto! Just come across this. madness! lol

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[Flea Man]

Teeto! Just come across this. madness! lol

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:lol::good

[GPater11093]

Yeah, perfect term.....it's also my term for Bob Foster among the lightheavyweights, but the same could be said for Monzon and the middles. Same cold patience, even more so than Foster, though Foster frontlined more ko power, Monzon was even more relentless in that cold, reptilian way about him. Almost like a constrictor. Animal analogies have always been used..coyotes, panthers, lions, leopards, tigers, well reptiles and preying mantis's work for Monzon.

nah a praying mantis is perfect for Monzon.

Carlos 'The Praying Mantis' Monzon got a real ring to it.:lol:

[teeto]

Teeto! Just come across this. madness! lol

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Hahaha, thanks for that. Funny, Monzon was so suave (is that how you spell swarve?!)

[GPater11093]

Monzon is perhaps the coolest guy who ever lived, but he was a fucking phsyco.

Love that quote from that BN article saying he was throwing oranges at passerbys, cracks me up every time

[teeto]

Monzon is perhaps the coolest guy who ever lived, but he was a fucking phsyco.

Love that quote from that BN article saying he was throwing oranges at passerbys, cracks me up every time
I know i've been telling everyone about that. What a guy.

[Axl_Nose]

Its great to see some apprciation for the mighty Monzon .. There are no books on him, no DVDs on him and seemingly very little acclaim in boxing circles compared to other great fighters ..
Maybe its because he was a maniac outside the ring and the boxing establishment would rather forget about him than hold him up as a stellar champion.
He was as cold as ice, with the menace of a James Bond villain. No razzle dazzle but just a brilliant, consistant fighter and for me the greatest Middleweight champion of all time ..

I can envisage certain fighters beating him but only the very best operators, Jones Jr would give anybody in history a severe problem and hes a vastly under-appreciated phenomenon of the sport .. I also think Greb would give Monzon serious hell, but with Greb, trying to seperate the mythology from the real story is hard, but all the things i've read on Greb's style, stamina and punching lead me to think that he would be hell for anybody at 160 ..

[teeto]

Its great to see some apprciation for the mighty Monzon .. There are no books on him, no DVDs on him and seemingly very little acclaim in boxing circles compared to other great fighters ..
Maybe its because he was a maniac outside the ring and the boxing establishment would rather forget about him than hold him up as a stellar champion.
He was as cold as ice, with the menace of a James Bond villain. No razzle dazzle but just a brilliant, consistant fighter and for me the greatest Middleweight champion of all time ..

I can envisage certain fighters beating him but only the very best operators, Jones Jr would give anybody in history a severe problem and hes a vastly under-appreciated phenomenon of the sport .. I also think Greb would give Monzon serious hell, but with Greb, trying to seperate the mythology from the real story is hard, but all the things i've read on Greb's style, stamina and punching lead me to think that he would be hell for anybody at 160 ..
Thanks for the post there Axl.

[My dinner with Conteh]

I know i've been telling everyone about that. What a guy.


He hardly comes under the 'what a guy' banner. He was a dick.

[GPater11093]

I know i've been telling everyone about that. What a guy.

Its crazy if i threw ornages at people id propably be called a total dick head, but if Monzon does it he probably was real cool doing it

He hardly comes under the 'what a guy' banner. He was a dick.

:lol:

100% right

I have a love-hate relationship with Monzon

[My dinner with Conteh]

Me too. I've been fascinated with his life story for about 20 years, he (and Ali) were the main people i've seeked articles on in this time, hence the reason I have hundreds. :thumbsup

[GPater11093]

Me too. I've been fascinated with his life story for about 20 years, he (and Ali) were the main people i've seeked articles on in this time, hence the reason I have hundreds. :thumbsup

Monzon is a mass of contradictions

a calm physco, a crazy calm person

[Monzon]

Me too. I've been fascinated with his life story for about 20 years, he (and Ali) were the main people i've seeked articles on in this time, hence the reason I have hundreds. :thumbsup
please post some monzon one's up:good

[AlFrancis]

Its crazy if i threw ornages at people id propably be called a total dick head, but if Monzon does it he probably was real cool doing it



:lol:

100% right

I have a love-hate relationship with Monzon


My lad got into trouble for throwing an apple out the window at school and hitting a teacher, he was only 8 lol. I'll have to keep those Monzon stories out of his reach.

[My dinner with Conteh]

please post some monzon one's up:good

Maybe...one day. If there's a specific one you're seeking I might give you some info.

[GPater11093]

My lad got into trouble for throwing an apple out the window at school and hitting a teacher, he was only 8 lol. I'll have to keep those Monzon stories out of his reach.

:rofl:rofl

thats class

You know whats good for throwing grapes they splatter everywhere

[Flea Man]

My lad got into trouble for throwing an apple out the window at school and hitting a teacher, he was only 8 lol. I'll have to keep those Monzon stories out of his reach.

Mix that mentality with his pugilistic heritage and you've got one Helluva fighter:lol::good

[Monzon]

Maybe...one day. If there's a specific one you're seeking I might give you some info.
Am trying to get the interview that monzon did with the ring magazine in the 1980's

[AlFrancis]

Thought this was interesting, like most boxers a bit of respect for his peers.
"He was friendly only with the elite of the elite. He had a soft spot for Bennie Briscoe and always greeted his arch-rival with a big smile and firm handshake".

[red cobra]

As great a fan of Monzon as I am, I'm not sure if I would have wanted to meet him or not...maybe to catch him in a good mood.

[red cobra]

After losing to Monzon on a tko, Jones would be talking about how dirty a fighter he was, because I'm sure a thumb would have made contact with an eye. But that would have had little to do with the beating he'd get.

[GPater11093]

rc i wouldnt wish anyone the displeasure of meeting Monzon

[red cobra]

rc i wouldnt wish anyone the displeasure of meeting Monzon
Right..it probably would have been a disillusioning experience...he's one of the boxing heroes I have that probably, in his heyday, would have been best to admire from afar, although if you did meet him, you might cop a strange Mickey Rourke type of deal, and be flattered at being hit by him.

[My dinner with Conteh]

Am trying to get the interview that monzon did with the ring magazine in the 1980's


A good interview, he says he thought Hagler beat Leonard.

[kenmore]

rc i wouldnt wish anyone the displeasure of meeting Monzon

I remember reading that Monzon once beat up a messenger sent to him by a promoter with whom he was negotiating. A punch in the face was Monzon's answer to an insulting offer.

I don't know if it's true, but it's what I read.

[AlFrancis]

A good interview, he says he thought Hagler beat Leonard.

What month was it, I've been sorting all mine out and I think I've got more or less all of them.

[My dinner with Conteh]

What month was it, I've been sorting all mine out and I think I've got more or less all of them.

November 87 Al

[AlFrancis]

November 87 Al


Cheers. i've just found a spare copy of that Boxing News Middleton vs Quarry, I'll have to pm that lad who was looking for it.

[teeto]

He hardly comes under the 'what a guy' banner. He was a dick.
I know, i was just messing around with GPater there.

[he grant]

Deleated ..

[AlFrancis]

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Monzon Photos ... WARNING , GROUP INCLUDES DEATH PHOTOS ...


Strong stuff.

[Russell]

Thought this was interesting, like most boxers a bit of respect for his peers.
"He was friendly only with the elite of the elite. He had a soft spot for Bennie Briscoe and always greeted his arch-rival with a big smile and firm handshake".

Probably because Bennie rocked his fucking world and hurt him just as bad if not worse then anyone else. :good

[Caponecartels]

Strong stuff.

Huh. never knew there were photos of his demise.

[AlFrancis]

November 87 Al


His favorite fighter of the day Hector Camacho. Who would of thought that!

[Flea Man]

Didn't realise there were pics of Monzon dead.............eugh.

[Thread Stealer]

Interesting thread Teeto. Red Cobra's comments were very insightful and interesting...good read.
Has anyone else noticed the facial similarity between Monzon and Richard Ramirez?

I'm watching a program on serial killers and looking at Richard Ramirez (one frightening looking bastard), I thought of Carlos Monzon.

[MRBILL]

I never thought of it until recently, but Carlito Monzon and Vitali Klitschko have much in common in a sense of style and ring generalship... I'm sorry if some or many fail to see the resemblance, but its clear as day to me.... GREATNESS!

MR.BILL:deal:bbb:hat

[Thread Stealer]

I never thought of it until recently, but Carlito Monzon and Vitali Klitschko have much in common in a sense of style and ring generalship... I'm sorry if some or many fail to see the resemblance, but its clear as day to me.... GREATNESS!

MR.BILL:deal:bbb:hat

I thought of tat comparison awhile ago, of course Carlos was the better/greater fighter, but they both were tall, awkward fighters who had a good sense of range and distance. Their styles are ugly, but they do good little subtle stuff here and there. I remember Manny Steward talking about how Vitali will just take a little side step or two to throw off an opponent's rhythm when he's pressing. They also can get away with the whole leaning back thing due to their height/reach and knowing the distance.

[red cobra]

I'm watching a program on serial killers and looking at Richard Ramirez (one frightening looking bastard), I thought of Carlos Monzon.
EErie resemblance between them.

[red cobra]

Monzon may as well have fought in the silent era..in the 20's or something..he and Schmeling are two of the most mysterious of champions. It's just unthinkable that there hasn't been any mainstream books or movies made of Monzon's life..by any Argentine or Latin sources for that matter.

[itrymariti]

After losing to Monzon on a tko, Jones would be talking about how dirty a fighter he was, because I'm sure a thumb would have made contact with an eye. But that would have had little to do with the beating he'd get.

Keep on dreaming.