Whitaker's Resume

[El Cepillo]

What are your thoughts on it....Good, bad, great, packed with names, or somewhat lacking?

[teeto]

Good, he was great.

[essexboy]

He should have a win against Chavez for a start which would improve it alot. Overall its impressive but doesnt really reflect how good he was, for me he drew against DLH and at his age against a prime ATG that was remarkable. Hes got plenty of decent wins over guys like McGirt and Nelson but he deserves more.

[My2Sense]

It's pretty impressive as is, but if you consider the "D" against Chavez to be a "W" then it becomes fantastic.

[GPater11093]

very impressive for the amount of fights he had.

packed in a top career in about 40 odd fights, just as good as anyother old time HOFer but without the filler fights and perhaps lower rated contender wins.

[Flea Man]

Coupled with his skills, a lock for the lower half of the top ten of all-time IMO (post-1930)

[ricardoparker93]

1. Sugar ray robinson.
2. Muhammad Ali.
3. Roberto Duran .
4. Joe Louis.
5 Willie Pep.
6. Marvin Hagler.
7.
8.
9.
10.

I was just thinking about a post war p4p list. Im having trouble with the final 4, alot of comparable resumes IMO. List below are some names i was thinking about.

Moore, Arquello, sanchez, chavez, hearns, whitaker, pacquiao, monzon, napoles, hopkins, roy jones, Ezzard Charles, Leonard,

Any blatant names i've missed out?

[sugarsean]

Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker was a genius and a top 3 all time Pd 4 Pd techinican and ring general in my opinion , a true master of ring craft and ring generalship.

[Rock0052]

He had an excellent resume, particularly for a modern era fighter. Started fighting good comp early (Roger Mayweather in his 12th fight) and never let up.

[MrMarvel]

He beat DLH, too, so add that win to his resume.

[El Radar]

Should have a win over Julio Cesar Chavez (plus Chavez had a advantage in the weight) which is brilliant. Reminds me of a Mayweather-Pacqiuao fight in the way that it is a excellent defensive boxer against a excellent offensive boxer.
Many people thought he beat a prime Oscar De La Hoya (I don't but was very close) and he also gave Trinidad a very tough fight (if i remember right). Apart from these blips he fought loads of great boxers like Azumah Nelson, Greg Haugen, Freddie Pendelton and James Mccgirt. Its rare that a guy of this ability has a resume nearly equal of his skill, but I believe he does.

[essexboy]

1. Sugar ray robinson.
2. Muhammad Ali.
3. Roberto Duran .
4. Joe Louis.
5 Willie Pep.
6. Marvin Hagler.
7.
8.
9.
10.

I was just thinking about a post war p4p list. Im having trouble with the final 4, alot of comparable resumes IMO. List below are some names i was thinking about.

Moore, Arquello, sanchez, chavez, hearns, whitaker, pacquiao, monzon, napoles, hopkins, roy jones, Ezzard Charles, Leonard,

Any blatant names i've missed out?

Ezzard Charles should be a top ten lock. Eder Jofre can be added to your 'maybes' as well. Good list though. :good

[essexboy]

He beat DLH, too, so add that win to his resume.

Arguable, I had it a draw. Nevertheless, it was an amazing performance from an ageing ATG against a prime ATG.

[teeto]

Arguable, I had it a draw. Nevertheless, it was an amazing performance from an ageing ATG against a prime ATG.
I had it a draw as well, but only because of the point deduction that might not have been completely fair (maybe it was?), but at times i saw a past prime Whitaker schooling a prime Oscar. Still Oscar did what he did and i don't take from that, but the skillset difference was certainly apparent in that one.

[Robbi]

It's good. It just lacks marquee names on his win colum. Eg; Vazquez was a brilliant win, but he wasn't a big name. Just a solid well rounded and durable jr middleweight.

[essexboy]

I had it a draw as well, but only because of the point deduction that might not have been completely fair (maybe it was?), but at times i saw a past prime Whitaker schooling a prime Oscar. Still Oscar did what he did and i don't take from that, but the skillset difference was certainly apparent in that one.

The problem with that fight is DLH should have won and because Sweet Pea made it such a close fight many feel he deserved it but DLH did enough to get a draw. I agree with what your saying though, Whitaker made DLH look stupid for alot of the fight which was amazing considering how good DLH was at the time. Its funny though how DLH was given the benefit of the doubt against Sweet Pea and Quartey (who I think beat him by a point despite the knockdown) but later was robbed against Trinidad and in Mosley II. Then again he also lost against Sturm by my scoring, its strange how so many of DLH's fights had strange decisions either for or against him. Still I digress this is about Whitaker not De la Hoya.

[goat15]

dominance at best weight - check
multi-weight champ - check
lots of defences in more than one division - check
'unbeaten' till way past prime - check
good names - check
good number of ranked opponents - check

who's done more in forty or so fights?

[El Bujia]

Should have a win over Julio Cesar Chavez (plus Chavez had a advantage in the weight).:huh

[sirhenrycooper6]

very good. not ATG as a resume,
howevr.
"Sweet Pea" Had Xcellent Skillz.

[Boxed Ears]

It always amazes me when people talk about resume, disregarding their own opinion on a fight they've watched, then pine over what would've been someone's record, had a fight happened EXACTLY as it did but the official verdict were different.

[bodhi]

I love him. Soo much fun to watch and an excellent resume. It´s comparable to Leonard´s. Ray that is. Ray has better top wins, Whitaker a bit more depth afterwards. Both lack the overall depth and longevity - I consider this not only beeing number of years but also number of fights, even fillfer fights take something out of you. Has a solid argument for Top20. Rivals Pacquiao for the best fighter of the last 25 years spot.

[Bokaj]

It always amazes me when people talk about resume, disregarding their own opinion on a fight they've watched, then pine over what would've been someone's record, had a fight happened EXACTLY as it did but the official verdict were different.

I don't understand that either. For me the Chavez fight is a W in Pea's record. Crooked judges don't change that.

Considering only non-active fighters, Whitaker's record is probably the best since Leonard, I'd say. Jones (if he is truly retired) may have a word in edge-wise also.

[bodhi]

I don't understand that either. For me the Chavez fight is a W in Pea's record. Crooked judges don't change that.

Considering only non-active fighters, Whitaker's record is probably the best since Leonard, I'd say. Jones (if he is truly retired) may have a word in edge-wise also.

I think there is a gap between Leonard, Pea, Pac and then Jones, Hopkins and PBF.

[Jorodz]

I think there is a gap between Leonard, Pea, Pac and then Jones, Hopkins and PBF.

offhand, i think that's fair to say

[Bokaj]

I think there is a gap between Leonard, Pea, Pac and then Jones, Hopkins and PBF.

I don't rank PBF and Pac since they're still active, as for Jones he's in the discussion with Pea IMO considering the impressive wins he has. The gap is rather between Hopkins and Whitaker, Leonard, Jones as I see it.

[teeto]

The problem with that fight is DLH should have won and because Sweet Pea made it such a close fight many feel he deserved it but DLH did enough to get a draw. I agree with what your saying though, Whitaker made DLH look stupid for alot of the fight which was amazing considering how good DLH was at the time. Its funny though how DLH was given the benefit of the doubt against Sweet Pea and Quartey (who I think beat him by a point despite the knockdown) but later was robbed against Trinidad and in Mosley II. Then again he also lost against Sturm by my scoring, its strange how so many of DLH's fights had strange decisions either for or against him. Still I digress this is about Whitaker not De la Hoya.
Ok i'm about a year and a half late butn i agree with all of your judgements on those fights.

[JLP 6]

1. Sugar ray robinson.
2. Muhammad Ali.
3. Roberto Duran .
4. Joe Louis.
5 Willie Pep.
6. Marvin Hagler.
7.
8.
9.
10.

I was just thinking about a post war p4p list. Im having trouble with the final 4, alot of comparable resumes IMO. List below are some names i was thinking about.

Moore, Arquello, sanchez, chavez, hearns, whitaker, pacquiao, monzon, napoles, hopkins, roy jones, Ezzard Charles, Leonard,

Any blatant names i've missed out?

I love list. Maybe some of my picks can help you decide.

Here is mine (As of now):

Champ: SUGAR RAY ROBINSON
1. HARRY GREB
2. EZZARD CHARLES
3. MUHAMMAD ALI
4. SUGAR RAY LEONARD
5. BENNY LEONARD
6. ROBERTO DURAN
7. SAM LANGFORD
8. WILLIE PEP
9. SANDY SADDLER

Pernell has a great resume. He top fighters without problem and competed with top fighter at a late stage in his career. Probably did not lose a fight until Trindad and he fought Trindad hard.

[Blood Green]

1. Sugar ray robinson.
2. Muhammad Ali.
3. Roberto Duran .
4. Joe Louis.
5 Willie Pep.
6. Marvin Hagler.
7.
8.
9.
10.

I was just thinking about a post war p4p list. Im having trouble with the final 4, alot of comparable resumes IMO. List below are some names i was thinking about.

Moore, Arquello, sanchez, chavez, hearns, whitaker, pacquiao, monzon, napoles, hopkins, roy jones, Ezzard Charles, Leonard,

Any blatant names i've missed out?
Floyd

[Sonny Carson]

He beat DLH, too, so add that win to his resume.
He beat De La Hoya imo too.

[ripcity]

He has a very strong resume.
He should have been geven the decisions over Jose Luis Ramirez ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) and Julio Cesar Chavez ([Only registered and activated users can see links]). While I can't say with the same conviction the Oscar De La Hoya ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) was at the very least closer than the scores indacated if not another fight that shoiuld have been awarded to Prenell Whitaker.

[BUMPY KNUCKLES]

Pernells first defeat IMO was against Trinidad