Fighters you are not sold on yet

[thewoo]

Who's a top prospect, contendor, or even belt holder that you are not really sold on yet. For me it would be edwiin valero. I downloaded a bunch of his fights and all I see is a wild swinger who is in love with his power and will be either outboxed or beaten up when he steps up his comp.

[Thread Stealer]

Who's a top prospect, contendor, or even belt holder that you are not really sold on yet. For me it would be edwiin valero. I downloaded a bunch of his fights and all I see is a wild swinger who is in love with his power and will be either outboxed or beaten up when he steps up his comp.

I agree with the choice of Valero.

I'm also not completely sold on how much Shane Mosley has left. He did beat a top 10 contender in Collazo, but still.....I dunno if he has enough left to take on the likes of Cotto and Mayweather.

[Illmatic]

this pacquaio guy...his record looks like a list of tijuana cab drivers

[brooklyn1550]

Edwin Valero
Andre Berto
Julio Cesar Chavez, Jr.

[jackiebrown]

guzman does it for me ..

[kg0208]

Berto

[ThePlugInBabies]

this floyd mayweather chap.

antonio margarito KO1 fraud gayrunner.



















and berto, chinny!!

[puga_ni_nana]

this pacquaio guy...his record looks like a list of tijuana cab drivers

:rofl

[Amsterdam]

Not sold on Kelly Pavlik. Even if he demolishes that disgrace Jermain Taylor.

[Amsterdam]

guzman does it for me ..

Guzman is skilled to a scary degree.

[brooklyn1550]

Not sold on Kelly Pavlik. Even if he demolishes that disgrace Jermain Taylor.

How do you think Pavlik would fare against Arthur Abraham and Felix Sturm?

[Amsterdam]

How do you think Pavlik would fare against Arthur Abraham and Felix Sturm?

I don't think much of Sturm's ability to handle pressure, as shown from the two Castillejo fights that were competitive, so I'd take Pavlik by KO as Sturm has not a glass jaw, but a dentable one and Pavlik has undeniable punching power.

I actually like Abraham's chances, he moves well and puts together more accurate combinations that would have more effect on Pavlik than Miranda was able to do.

Truthfully, I'd give Abraham/Pavlik one of the only real 50/50 fight monikers, everything else has a favourite. I don't know how long Pavlik will stay at MW though, if he moves to SMW I feel he will be outgunned and not because he's unskilled, but because the bigger the guys get the harder they hit as you can say and Pavlik is by no means a defensive fighter.

I am not sold on Pavlik, he's a class fighter but I'm not sure if he's a real championship level fighter, if you know what I mean.

That being said, he's a well spoken nice guy, so I wish him all of the success in the world.

[kg0208]

How do you think Pavlik would fare against Arthur Abraham and Felix Sturm?

I am taking Pavlik over Taylor based on the fact that I don't think Taylor is improving (he has the talent) like he should be under Steward. I don't think they work well together. And that spells doom in a fight like this....Why does Taylor still keep his left so low and his stance so wide?

Anyways.....don't think Pavlik should tangle with Abraham yet.

[Dr Gonzo]

Cotto - but ill be sold if he can dominate the sugar man

[brooklyn1550]

I am taking Pavlik over Taylor based on the fact that I don't think Taylor is improving (he has the talent) like he should be under Steward. I don't think they work well together. And that spells doom in a fight like this....Why does Taylor still keep his left so low and his stance so wide?

That's a very good point. Emanuel has helped to improve fighters such as Taylor (tall, athletic, rangy, with good jabs). However, I have yet to see him show any improvements since they have been working together, and you said it best...they don't work well together.

[box03]

Im not sold on Wladimir Klitscho. I know hes beaten everyone in his path the last 3 years but I still have my doubts, his chin mostly.

[DaHead242]

Adrian Diaconu

[brooklyn1550]

The Peterson brothers
Andre Dirrell

[kg0208]

Adrian Diaconu

I am not sold on him at all....and his power is really being overrated. He is open to straight rights all night long and has very little side to side movement. Dawson is going to pick him apart.

When I first heard about him, they made it sound like this guy hit like Hearns or something. This is mostly based on his destruction of Hoye, who was stopped by Woods for godsakes, not a KO puncher by any means.

[Amsterdam]

The Peterson brothers
Andre Dirrell

Agreed 100%.

That Dirrell really got to you eh Brooklyn?:lol:

[brooklyn1550]

That Dirrell really got to you eh Brooklyn?:lol:

:lol: Not to the level of Taylor and yourself, but I really dislike his style, showboating, and running.

I don't know if you have ever seen his brother Anthony fight, but he is very fast as well, but sits down on his punches and throws every punch with bad intentions. Too bad he is having serious health problems though.

[thewoo]

Im not sold on Wladimir Klitscho. I know hes beaten everyone in his path the last 3 years but I still have my doubts, his chin mostly.

Who would you favor over him right now. In order for a guy to fit this category you have to be able to name guys in his weight class that you would bet on to beat him. I picked valero and I think that MAB, Manny, Guzman, JMM and Soto would all beat him and do it by wide margins or KO

[pipe wrenched]

A. Berto
JCC JR.
Gomez (he's gettin some hype after beating Gatti)
J. Kirkland
Eddie Chambers
Chris Areolla
"king pin" johnson

[thewoo]

A. Berto
JCC JR.
Gomez (he's gettin some hype after beating Gatti)
J. Kirkland
Eddie Chambers
Chris Areolla
"king pin" johnson

With the exception of JCC Jr and A Berto I don't think anyone is really hyping any of those other guys very much anyway

[pipe wrenched]

One fighter, to go against the subject, I don't think gets enough praise from posters is Humberto Sotto. That guy has yet to fail to impress me. High Tech Concrete.

[brooklyn1550]

Amir Khan - He was a great amateur, possesses blinding speed, and has shown heart in his last fight, but I have a feeling he will suffer the same fate as Jason Litzau.

[He Hate Me]

Paul Malignaggi, Im not sold yet. Paul gets a pass because he has a big mouth, I believe race is a factor aswell.

[pipe wrenched]

Paul Malignaggi, Im not sold yet. Paul gets a pass because he has a big mouth, I believe race is a factor aswell.

Indeed. Thanks for reminding me HateME, I am certainly not sold on Malignagi.

[box03]

Who would you favor over him right now. In order for a guy to fit this category you have to be able to name guys in his weight class that you would bet on to beat him. I picked valero and I think that MAB, Manny, Guzman, JMM and Soto would all beat him and do it by wide margins or KO I think Peter could beat Wlad now, if you watch him in the 2nd fight with Toney he learned not to smother his punches and to take a step back and then throw. I really believe Wlad is extremely beatable as long as you bring the fight to him, which no one has since Peter in 05 knocking him down 3 times and really only losing because of inexperience. I also give Chagaev and Mccall a chance also.

[pipe wrenched]

You don't have to be sold on Gomez, he won't amount to much.

I hear ya Rey, but did you see him on FNF last week, they were treating him as some boxing royalty IMO.

[He Hate Me]

Indeed. Thanks for reminding me HateME, I am certainly not sold on Malignagi.

:good

[Sakura]

Im not sold on Wladimir Klitscho. I know hes beaten everyone in his path the last 3 years but I still have my doubts, his chin mostly.

Doupts of what? His not best heavy right now, or his not ATG fighter yet....

[Relentless]

joel julio and andre berto.

[box03]

Doupts of what? His not best heavy right now, or his not ATG fighter yet.... To be a great fighter, you have to fight a great fighter and Wlad hasnt. I place no blame on Wlad for this, its just too bad the Heavywieght division sucks so bad he cant measure himself up against anybody.

[brooklyn1550]

The Latin Snake

[DaHead242]

The Latin Snake

agreed. I'd love to see Ouma take him out.

[DaHead242]

"Irish" John Duddy

[Toopretty]

I am not sold on Kessler....I see too many mistakes and too one dimensional to beat Joey boy. I have never been or will ever be sold on that bum Chavez Jr..he is a one handed fighter like ODH but has 1/4 of the skill set. He is overgrown and is being babyfied like no other fighter in history. I too think that Sam Peter who has became a much better fighter just in fighting James Toney twice and actually looked like he did a 180 in the second fight outboxing James Toney which I thought I would never see in a million years. Peter whoops Wlads ass in a rematch b/c he damned for sure can take Wlads power.Wlad cannot take his as he clinches and runs with his back turned like a Homo.

[Ambition_Def]

I am not sold on Kessler....I see too many mistakes and too one dimensional to beat Joey boy. I have never been or will ever be sold on that bum Chavez Jr..he is a one handed fighter like ODH but has 1/4 of the skill set. He is overgrown and is being babyfied like no other fighter in history. I too think that Sam Peter who has became a much better fighter just in fighting James Toney twice and actually looked like he did a 180 in the second fight outboxing James Toney which I thought I would never see in a million years. Peter whoops Wlads ass in a rematch b/c he damned for sure can take Wlads power.Wlad cannot take his as he clinches and runs with his back turned like a Homo.

Whew...here I got to the end of this thread hoping nobody would mention Sam Peter :lol:

Nice to see someone else knows whats gonna happen to Waldo should a rematch happen.

My personal has got to be Berto, after that ESPN fight I am really unsure.

[Sakura]

To be a great fighter, you have to fight a great fighter and Wlad hasnt. I place no blame on Wlad for this, its just too bad the Heavywieght division sucks so bad he cant measure himself up against anybody.

But his already best of the division..so we cant demand more, if division sucks so much...question was - fighters you are not sold yet

[box03]

But his already best of the division..so we cant demand more, if division sucks so much...question was - fighters you are not sold yet Im still not sold on him, because he hasnt beaten anyone. While his glass chin will show again, you could bank on that.

[Pimp C]

Adrian Diaconu
Berto
Khan
Miranda
Fraudarito

[Quik]

Joel Julio

[Sakura]

Im still not sold on him, because he hasnt beaten anyone. While his glass chin will show again, you could bank on that.

Class jaw was ali and almost everyone else, excluding Marciano:scaredas: they all lost..

[Morrissey]

Ponce de leon - still a limited aggressive brawler for my taste
Paul Williams - his win with Margarito was not a fluke, but in a rematch, i would still pick Margo.. Cintron would punish him
Junior Witter - that was a zombie of Harris he fought..:yep
Linares - some good fights with contenders first

[box03]

If Holyfield wins it would generate more fans back to the sport of boxing again, Holyfield is in the top 3 in ppv sales of any fighter all-time just behind Tyson. People can identify with the name Holyfield not Iggy, it would be better for boxing if Holyfield wins.

[Sakura]

If Holyfield wins it would generate more fans back to the sport of boxing again, Holyfield is in the top 3 in ppv sales of any fighter all-time just behind Tyson. People can identify with the name Holyfield not Iggy, it would be better for boxing if Holyfield wins.

Maybe, but he must win first! Possible, Holy-wlad is murder..

[box03]

Maybe, but he must win first! Possible, Holy-wlad is murder.. I agree, Holy in his prime is a different story. Wlad cant fight to well when his oppenent comes right at him trying to take his head off, like Peter did in there first match its just too bad Peter smothered his punches when Wlad was hurt.

[Marnoff]

Not sold on Kelly Pavlik. Even if he demolishes that disgrace Jermain Taylor.

Man! You're betting seven months on a man you're not sure of based on being so certain that Taylor is bad? Dangerous.

[Sakura]

I agree, Holy in his prime is a different story. Wlad cant fight to well when his oppenent comes right at him trying to take his head off, like Peter did in there first match its just too bad Peter smothered his punches when Wlad was hurt.

Peter is altought his very raw fighter his very strongly build, hit hard and are much bigger than 70th fighters and also owns good chin. Hard to beat for anyone

Next time wlad will TKO Peter :deal

[box03]

Peter is altought his very raw fighter his very strongly build, hit hard and are much bigger than 70th fighters and also owns good chin. Hard to beat for anyone

Next time wlad will TKO Peter :deal I doubt it, but anythings possible in the Heavywieght division even Tua knocking out Wlad.:yep

[Sakura]

I doubt it, but anythings possible in the Heavywieght division even Tua knocking out Wlad.:yep

I dont think Tua wants to do anything with wlad..he remember so well what lewis gave to him..:p

[box03]

I dont think Tua wants to do anything with wlad..he remember so well what lewis gave to him..:p Lewis was a better boxer in my opinion, and a had a better chin. One Tua left hook and Wlads chins getting shattered in a million pieces.

[MSTR]

Berto
Not sold yet, but I think he is still a good prospect. The next year will be a telling one for him I think. Whether he will be the next Cotto or the next Allan Green.

[thewoo]

I think Peter could beat Wlad now, if you watch him in the 2nd fight with Toney he learned not to smother his punches and to take a step back and then throw. I really believe Wlad is extremely beatable as long as you bring the fight to him, which no one has since Peter in 05 knocking him down 3 times and really only losing because of inexperience. I also give Chagaev and Mccall a chance also.

Peter is one guy I am definatly not sold on. In the 2nd fight with Toney where he attempted better punch teqnique, he sacrificed power in doing so. Against Wlad I don't think he would ever have anything better than a punchers chance.

People go on and on about his power but power is meaningless if you can't land. I've said it before and I''ll say it again. Peter is like a guy with a 9 inch cock and erectile disfunction

[Carlos Primera]

Not sold yet, but I think he is still a good prospect. The next year will be a telling one for him I think. Whether he will be the next Cotto or the next Allan Green.
i agree with you bro. berto looks like a promising prospect, but we'll see if he has any substance against his first test in estrada.

back to the topic. i'm not sold at all about amir khan, imo he's is in for a rude awakening some time in the near future.

i think he's a good fighter, but i'm not sold on jorge linares yet. i only saw him against larios, so i'll have to see some more of his fights to be able to judge properly.

[kg0208]

Not sold yet, but I think he is still a good prospect. The next year will be a telling one for him I think. Whether he will be the next Cotto or the next Allan Green.

I'm not sold yet in the aspect that some here say he is the future WW champion. I need to see more.

[Toopretty]

Peter is one guy I am definatly not sold on. In the 2nd fight with Toney where he attempted better punch teqnique, he sacrificed power in doing so. Against Wlad I don't think he would ever have anything better than a punchers chance.

People go on and on about his power but power is meaningless if you can't land. I've said it before and I''ll say it again. Peter is like a guy with a 9 inch cock and erectile disfunction

Wlad fought dirty and clinched Peter compusively and repeatedly with no warnings. In a fair fight Wlad would get fucked up..Peter would have Wlad backpeddaling turning his back and scared as he was that fight. Wlad has no heart and when Peter walked through his punches he was confused and just tried to make it over. He hurt Peter once or twice..Peter put him on his ass 3 times.. And Peter lost no power as he almost took the iron chined and iron headed james toney out of there the second fight..Peter's jab as he said is like a right hand..I suggest you look at that fight again and see how much power Peter has. He almost knocked Toney out with a damned jab and had Toney backed up and wobbled by jabs. Peter makes Wlad crumble.

[box03]

Peter is one guy I am definatly not sold on. In the 2nd fight with Toney where he attempted better punch teqnique, he sacrificed power in doing so. Against Wlad I don't think he would ever have anything better than a punchers chance.

People go on and on about his power but power is meaningless if you can't land. I've said it before and I''ll say it again. Peter is like a guy with a 9 inch cock and erectile disfunction I like your comparison that was pretty funny. Your halfway right, but you got to give Peter some credit on beating Toney without knocking him out, Rahman, Ruiz and Holyfield couldnt do it. While peter did sacrifice power against Toney, he felt he had to win considering Toneys amazing head movement and boxing skills. Peter will bring the fight to Wlad if they fight again, knowing that Wlad has panic attacks when pressured by heavy punchers.

[Toopretty]

Berto is more likely to be the next Zab then the next Cotto. He is strong and active and has pretty good power. But he is not a smart fighter at all. He will not be the future of the Welters.

[Sonny Carson]

I'm not sold on Berto at all and Cintron I still think his chin hasn't been tested. He took Matthysse out before he could put a big shot on him.

[brooklyn1550]

Peter fought a smart fight the second time around against Toney. He boxed from the outside, used his jab, and stayed far way from Toney when he would lie on the ropes to avoid the counters. But against Wlad, he would have to employ a different gameplan. Peter would have to come in lighter so he would be faster and have more stamina, be able to slip punches and work his way inside, work the body, and try to rough Wlad up. I believe he would fight differently against Wlad the 2nd time around than he did with Toney the 2nd time around. However, I don't think he would win.

[WhataRock]

Im picking Berto too, though everyone seems to have come to my side of thinking after the Rivera fight.

A LOT of people were willing to accept this guy was the next big thing in the division, I saw what they saw but something had me sceptical. I was sorta right but the kid is still a very good fighter and will continue to improve.
I dont think his chin is terrible, I think Cotto's is probably equally as shakable but look how far he has come and will continue to go.

[psychopath]

Who's a top prospect, contendor, or even belt holder that you are not really sold on yet. For me it would be edwiin valero. I downloaded a bunch of his fights and all I see is a wild swinger who is in love with his power and will be either outboxed or beaten up when he steps up his comp.

What did I say? The guy fights like a fucki'n crab swinging wide punches left and right. :yep

[kg0208]

Joan Guzman is a bum. I mean c'mon, who would name their son "Joan"?

We need to stop calling championship level fighters "bums."

[TheGreat]

Berto
Chavez Jr
Cintron

[Grabonator]

Not sold on Kelly Pavlik. Even if he demolishes that disgrace Jermain Taylor.

Even then?? :blood

[Grabonator]

Peter is one guy I am definatly not sold on. In the 2nd fight with Toney where he attempted better punch teqnique, he sacrificed power in doing so. Against Wlad I don't think he would ever have anything better than a punchers chance.

People go on and on about his power but power is meaningless if you can't land. I've said it before and I''ll say it again. Peter is like a guy with a 9 inch cock and erectile disfunction

Thats one thing i mentioned, if Peter tries to box like he did against Toney hes not that powerfull. When hes throwing bhaymakers hes more powerfull than anyone else though. he still has to bring it all together and improve his punching technique.

[thewoo]

I like your comparison that was pretty funny. Your halfway right, but you got to give Peter some credit on beating Toney without knocking him out, Rahman, Ruiz and Holyfield couldnt do it. While peter did sacrifice power against Toney, he felt he had to win considering Toneys amazing head movement and boxing skills. Peter will bring the fight to Wlad if they fight again, knowing that Wlad has panic attacks when pressured by heavy punchers.

I think that Toney looked so bad in that fight that he made peter look good. YOu need only look at his next fight after the peter fight to confirm that.

[Toopretty]

Thats one thing i mentioned, if Peter tries to box like he did against Toney hes not that powerfull. When hes throwing bhaymakers hes more powerfull than anyone else though. he still has to bring it all together and improve his punching technique.

Peter had monster power in that fight...he knocked JT down with a damned jab and stopped James Toney in his tracks and hurt him a few times with A JAB. You guys have very short memories..Thats all they were talking about after the fight was the power in his jab.

[hmi]

Julio Cesar Chavez, Jr.
Edwin Valero

[somerset]

Of the Brits I'd say Carl Froch. He just seems to be sloppy to me and I get the feeling he'll get outboxed the first time he fights somebody world class.

More so than Amir Khan who, though he has got a suspect chin, is still learning and does have the speed and the skills.

[koko of phil]

Joan Guzman. I think something is still missing on this guy.

[Spitfire7]

Dunno, but am just not too sold out on JM Marquez.

[retriever]

Juan Diaz

[ApatheticLeader]

David Haye and Paul Williams

[rendog67]

Pbf

[T.S.]

Tony Thompson

[Jinx]

i'm not sold yet on Lucian Bute...if he whips Berrio he can change my mind...not sold on John Duddy, he will never win a strap...not sold on Ronald Hearns, he's needs to fight someone with a pulse, living off his pops name like Chavez Jr...not sold on heavyweight Kevin Johnson either, he has no power...

[teekay00]

i am not sold on

Ricky Hatton- if he can even hang with mayweather i will be sure that he is a good fighter

Adrian Diaconu- we will find out on the 29th cuz Diaconu said on his interview wednesday that nobody has wanted to fight him for the last 2 years.

Michael Katsidis- Pacman says he will fight him afterhe beats MAB for the right money, i like Katsidis, very action packed fighter, if he beats pac or even hangs he will be proven.

Paulie Malignaggi- whatever

AND HAHA Andre Dirrel, according to Ugly Boy Floyd Mayweather Sr. Andre Dirrel did this to Chad Dawson in sparring session......

Andre Dirrell was beating his goddamn ass so bad man, I felt sorry for him. Andre Dirrell was whooping him so bad man, he didn't know whether to shit or go blind. That motherfucking Dirrell boy was putting hands on him. He was on his way to sleep. He talking about, I don't want no…motherfucker, I should've let Dirrell put him to sleep like he was about to anyway. LOLOLOL

see for yourself

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[koko of phil]

Dunno, but am just not too sold out on JM Marquez.

So what's missing about JMM? One only thing I don't like is him having glassy chin.