LORENZO v SYLVESTER - Whats your views guys

[micky]

Guys I have not seen Lorenzo has he got the tools to beat Sebastian in this fight or will he come up short.

He seems to have decent power if you look at his recent record, plenty of ko's early in his fights and Sylvester can be hit!

Although Lorenzo was beaten by Marquez who is in his very late 30s.

Interesting fight this one, obviously close decision may go the home fighters way but could Lorenzo perhaps make the judges redundant with a ko.

:bbb

[boubacar]

Lorenzo doesn't need that much tools to beat Sylvester. I saw a lot of Sylvester's Fights, and there is nothing special about this guy.

He is just solid in a stronger sense of this term: His technique is solid, his chin is solid, his footwork is solid, his punch is solid.

Sturm disentchanted him in an onesided, boring fight.

Tools to beat him? Good footwork for holding the distance (do not fight in de mid range, avoid his sharp jab), using your own jab, you'll need a working strategy as well and enough technique to compete in the top-20s of the division.

Sylvester depends strictly on his gameplan: He's a very, very inflexible fighter. Trouble him, and he'll caught in this plan - getting nowhere.

[Sorry for my bad english]

[micky]

Lorenzo doesn't need that much tools to beat Sylvester. I saw a lot of Sylvester's Fights, and there is nothing special about this guy.

He is just solid in a stronger sense of this term: His technique is solid, his chin is solid, his footwork is solid, his punch is solid.

Sturm disentchanted him in an onesided, boring fight.

Tools to beat him? Good footwork for holding the distance (do not fight in de mid range, avoid his sharp jab), using your own jab, you'll need a working strategy as well and enough technique to compete in the top-20s of the division.

Sylvester depends strictly on his gameplan: He's a very, very inflexible fighter. Trouble him, and he'll caught in this plan - getting nowhere.

[Sorry for my bad english]

Thanks for that a reasonable summing up of Sylvester for me and I am grateful has anyone seen Lorenzo much or at all

[Serenata]

Sylvester is a good fighter. Actually one of the best counterboxers I´ve seen for a long while. His problem is that he can be wlked down and his chin isn´t the best in the world.

But he is a TOP 5 MW fighter for a reason.

I hope he wins against Lorenzo but that guy has power.

[Bodysnatcher]

Wish Sauerland would provide a stream for non-Germans to be able to see this live.

Setanta would have shown this under their Sauerland deal before they went under.

[cubex]

Sylvester wide UD.

He should outbox Lorenzo.

[Ivo]

Wish Sauerland would provide a stream for non-Germans to be able to see this live.

Setanta would have shown this under their Sauerland deal before they went under.

ARD will broadcast it. It is avaivable everywhere in Europe for free.

[VHB]

Lorenzo has a good puncher´s chance for sure, but somehow I feel Sylvester is way too technical and solid for him.

It´s true that Sylvester is as predictable as an atom clock, and can be hurt and stopped.

Yet I don´t see enough class in Lorenzo to do that.

[paddymickey]

I wonder if Sylvester wins this will he defend against the winner of Macklin V Asikanien!

[Serenata]

I wonder if Sylvester wins this will he defend against the winner of Macklin V Asikanien!

Please no Sylvester Asikainen III.

[Rick G]

Lorenzo doesn't need that much tools to beat Sylvester. I saw a lot of Sylvester's Fights, and there is nothing special about this guy.

He is just solid in a stronger sense of this term: His technique is solid, his chin is solid, his footwork is solid, his punch is solid.

Sturm disentchanted him in an onesided, boring fight.

Tools to beat him? Good footwork for holding the distance (do not fight in de mid range, avoid his sharp jab), using your own jab, you'll need a working strategy as well and enough technique to compete in the top-20s of the division.

Sylvester depends strictly on his gameplan: He's a very, very inflexible fighter. Trouble him, and he'll caught in this plan - getting nowhere.

[Sorry for my bad english]

Excellent analysis!

[Bodysnatcher]

ARD will broadcast it. It is avaivable everywhere in Europe for free.

Do you mean they're showing a stream on their website?

I remember watching Sylvester vs Castillejo on the ARD website, I hope they do that again.

[TFFP]

I have ARD on my TV now :happy

Hmm, I'm still not certain about who wins this fight. I'm going to have another look at Lorenzo before comitting, I havn't seen him since he fought Marquez. He disapointed there.

[Kampioni]

I'm favoring Lorenzo on this fight, but I wouldnt be surprised if Sylvester gets the hometown decision.

[manhattanboxer3]

Lorenzo will batter him.

[paddymickey]

Sylvester just won a split decision. However I did have Sylvester slightly ahead by approximately 2/3 rounds. Lorenzo is too 1 dimensional. He has no hooks at all!
Sylvester deserved it but when he fights the likes of Pavlik, williams, Sturm (again) etc he will have a much more interesting test.

[BigBone]

116-113 Sylvester. Close but well deserved win, Lorenzo failed to land anything significant after a good first 2 rounds, still it was close with Slyvester doing the more damage. No hometown decision here, I was surprised the US judge gave it 116-111 for Lorenzo. WTF? :D

[Bodysnatcher]

Lorenzo failed to land anything significant after a good first 2 rounds

Apart from a few decent bodyshots, he didn't land shit. His punching was feeble on occasion, telegraphed or looping shots.

Sylvester's gloves were pinned to his cheeks and he barely took a scratch all night.

[man_on_the_spot]

close decision for sylvester. I doubt that he will go far though. Next serious mantatory should take it away from him. It rather displays the sad state of the mw division...

[Serenata]

Fucked up judging, what fight did the american judge see? Sylvester deserved a unanimous decision. But in the end the better man won. :)

[Bo Bo Olson]

As an American, I can say that American Judge needs to be barred...the little American flags, in Lorenzo's corner affected what little judgment she had.
I had Sylvester up 2 to 3 rounds...in I don't grade them like I use to, round for round.. There were a couple of close rounds.
The most honest that American judge could have done was rate it a draw...but she don't do Euro fights, and don't know about Euro high guard take it on the leather.

Lorenzo knew he lost the fight...there was no jublation in his corner, none at all.

Sylvester, has learned to fight with his weight much more centered, back off the front foot, so for the first time he was quick in and out. His legs were a tad closer giving him quicker punching, and he went off to the side from time to time.


He kept his hands in great guard positon.

The commentators said Lorinzo threw a very quick arm hook, which he did little of that tonight.
That quick hook is only possible because Lorinzo throws a chicken wing jab....with it hanging out there it was telegraphed....The first two rounds it was tight, but the longer the fight went the more tired and the wider that chicken wing jab flapped.

When a jab is in the slot you get the first inch or two of movement that is not seen because the elbow is tight to the body. When it is flapping out there "chicken wing" a fist away from the body, any movement is seen when it starts and not two inches later as it develops speed. Telegraphed.

In the first two rounds Lorenzo had great guard, as the fight went on, he got tired and his guard got sloppy.....vs Americans it's still a good guard...He kept pushing his guard further and further out.

As soon as Lorenzo went to show boating in the 3rd and later rounds even more with guard "MayWeather" shoulder instead of a proper guard..and or holding his left too low....he was giving Sylvester all he needed for the quite simple and effect striaght one-two.

Sylvester's guard held up for the whole fight, he was much quicker in and out than I'd seen him. The change in trainers did the trick.

The other thing that was said, was previousely Lorenzo savaged his sparing partners and no one any good wants any part of him.
The last thing was Lorinzo, spent the two nights before the fight in Berlin's Red Light disctrict...
So of course he got tired, he was all fucked out, and he didn't get any good sparing.


No disiplne, and savaging his sparing partners means in my book, he'll never get another shot at it.

[VHB]

Sylvester deserved it but when he fights the likes of Pavlik, williams, Sturm (again) etc he will have a much more interesting test.

Are you joking? Sylvester has no chance against those guys. Sturm almost shut him out with nothing but a jab. IBF MW belt is still held as hostage by Sauerland, but at least now any serious world-top fighter can take it.

[Bo Bo Olson]

Are you joking? Sylvester has no chance against those guys. Sturm almost shut him out with nothing but a jab. IBF MW belt is still held as hostage by Sauerland, but at least now any serious world-top fighter can take it.


More than likely, how ever he has improved with his new trainer. Strum is the better fighter, that is for sure....the others need to proove it.

We will see if they call out Sylvester...they did not call out Abraham.
Abraham and Sylvester don't make it in the same breath.

None of them call out Strum either.

[cubex]

Sylvester won rightfully.

Lorenzo staretd good but then Sylvesters's better pedigree was instated,cleaner,shorter,accurate punches altough Lorenzo did have a late rally.

Sylvester waits to long for the perfect punches and gets outworked.Top 10 guy but will never be champ.

[Robot16]

Have been impressed with Sylvester before.
But ithought that lorenzo may be too big for him.

[paddymickey]

More than likely, how ever he has improved with his new trainer. Strum is the better fighter, that is for sure....the others need to proove it.

We will see if they call out Sylvester...they did not call out Abraham.
Abraham and Sylvester don't make it in the same breath.

None of them call out Strum either.
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I don't think any MW fighter would choose Strum becuase of the tough negotiaions associated with universum. AA called him out, did he not? I don't know how Sturms relationship with Universum will pan out now.We will soon find out. Zbik V Sylvester could happen! I think the other 160 fighters are probably more interested in the USA where the promoters may be just a tough but the tv deals allow better pay. Matthew Macklin V Sylverster should be a great fight for 2010.

[Odo]

Slyvester is a one-dimensional and extremely predictable fighter who cant crack an egg with his soft punches.
Admittingly,his stamina is good,and so are his willpower and determination.He can take a punch and is relatively speedy on his feets.
He for sure won his encounter with Lorenzo,but I strongly recommend him not to cross the paths of the likes of Pirog,Golovkin,Korobov,Ndam,and some other promising middle weight rivals.
Carefully matched,he may be able to defend his title several times.

Anyway! Didnt intend to sound as harsh as I actually did!
Props to him for his powerful performance against Lorenzo!:good

[VHB]

Sylvester will probably have to face the winner of Macklin - Asikainen next year.

Too bad it probably won´t be Amin.

Finland´s pride has proven to be a hard obstacle for Sylvester, and their 3rd meeting would be a dream come true for many fans.

[paddymickey]

Sylvester will probably have to face the winner of Macklin - Asikainen next year.

Too bad it probably won´t be Amin.

Finland´s pride has proven to be a hard obstacle for Sylvester, and their 3rd meeting would be a dream come true for many fans.
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Macklin has improved which is why he went under the radar outside Ireland and the UK. Sylvester won't be interested now. But what a left hook that was and the ref did the right think Asikainen was looking into the crowd.