Who was the biggest fraud between ottke and ruiz?

[Carlos Primera]

who was a bigger fraud?

ottke- was a shit fighter who, thanks to corruption had 21 "defenses" of the wbc strap, shamelessly ducked calzaghe, never fought out of germany, and got the judges nods in fights he clearly lost

ruiz- an equally shit fighter who epitomizes the corrupt element in the sport, cheated to win, was propped up as the wba champ thanks to kings politics, is probably one of the top 5 most boring fighters ever.

[Scar]

Ruiz wasn't a fraud, he actually did win many fights and was tough to beat at some point. If his style is ugly to you it doesn't automatically make him a fraud. The real example of a fraud is Audley Harrison.

[El Bombasto]

ruiz was the biggest piece of shiite to ever disgrace the wba (which in itself is a piece of shiite title, so what does that say about ruiz?), but ottke is by far the bigger fraud, because some of our german friends are still convinced that this clown was any good.

[brooklyn1550]

Sven Ottke

[Carlos Primera]

Ruiz wasn't a fraud, he actually did win many fights and was tough to beat at some point. If his style is ugly to you it doesn't automatically make him a fraud. The real example of a fraud is Audley Harrison.
i disagree scar, ruiz was shit propped up by don king to keep his hold on the hvy weight title scene. fraudely:lol: (god bless his soul) was a fraud too, but not to the extent of ruiz who personified everything wrong/corrupt in boxing

[El Bombasto]

ruiz was tough......as long as it was a don king promoted fight where the ref allowed him to cheat and the judges gave away rounds.....

[Carlos Primera]

ruiz was tough......as long as it was a don king promoted fight where the ref allowed him to cheat and the judges gave away rounds.....
exactly, the guy was basically an american ottke. dirty fighter who had to cheat to win, given decisions by paid judges etc.. look at him now since king dropped his ass! (though king did also make him a millionaire.)

[El Bombasto]

exactly, the guy was basically an american ottke. dirty fighter who had to cheat to win, given decisions by paid judges etc.. look at him now since king dropped his ass! (though king did also make him a millionaire.)

not only was he a terrible boxer, he also disgraced the sport by having stoney as his trainer

[Scar]

i disagree scar, ruiz was shit propped up by don king to keep his hold on the hvy weight title scene. fraudely:lol: (god bless his soul) was a fraud too, but not to the extent of ruiz who personified everything wrong/corrupt in boxing

Yes Ruiz did cheat but at least he won fights and held the title for a long time, he wasn't easy to beat either. However, Fraudley defines "Fraud" clearly, the man did nothing but talk trash and get KTFO unlike Ruiz who accomplished something at least.

[box03]

Ruiz actually fought good fighters and won. He beat Holyfield, Rahman, and Golota. Ruiz is not fraud he just makes boring fights similiar to Chris Bryd, when people started complaining about Bryds style which he ended up changing in fights against Mccline, Golota, and Wlad which ended badly.

[The Kurgan]

Ottke was worse, if only because he didn't have the common decency to be knocked out in 19 seconds and give us a moment of catharsis. It should be noted that Ottke faked low blows, used his head, repeatedly turned away from punches in order to make them kidney shots, rabbit punched; and in general fouled enough to at least be comparable in that respect to Ruiz.

Ottke also relied on some of the worst refereeing ever done. It was Robin Reid, for instance, who was warned for (get this)... Hitting Ottke in the face.

[Zakman]

Ottke's record is grossly padded, but at least he could fight a bit. And let's not forget, he starched the annoying Mundine! :happy

Ruiz is the DEFINTION of a FRAUD - a talentless fighter who would never have come close to winning a fight at the world class level if it wasn't for Don King. He is the POSTER BOY for boxing corruption! :nod

[jackiebrown]

lol are you people serious ... ruiz was a mainevent ppv fighter .. who fought and beat former and current world champs ...

ottke was a german pug ..

[Carlos Primera]

Ottke was worse, if only because he didn't have the common decency to be knocked out in 19 seconds and give us a moment of catharsis. It should be noted that Ottke failed low blows, used his head, repeatedly turned away from punches in order to make them kidney shots, rabbit punched; and in general fouled enough to at least be comparable in that respect to Ruiz.

Ottke also relied on some of the worst refereeing ever done. It was Robin Reid, for instance, who was warned for (get this)... Hitting Ottke in the face.
:lol:
that makes me want to vote for ottke instead of ruiz

[WhataRock]

Ottke was not a fraud.

He was an alright fighter with a boring style who had a damn good management team.
Ottke made millions from fighting mostly fringe contenders and middlweights, with the a few good fighter sprinkled in there.

In reality he only had 2 or 3 dubious decisions, which is still to much but its get so overblown all this shit about him getting all these gifts.
Anyone who uses the Mitchell fight as evidence of Ottke's lucky reign is an idiot who hasnt seen the fight. The Reid fight was a disgrace, the Larsen fight he lost, the first Brewer fight was pretty close he probably lost but he came back to clearly edge the rematch.
He dodged Calzaghe but he knew he would probably lose so he steered clear. Im not a fan and I depise the kind of attitude he had to fighting and chasing big fights. But put yourself in Ottke's shoes, he didnt need the big fights, he didnt need to be in slugfests,

Its a bit of a culture thing, A lot of North Americans, Englishman and Australians etc cant understand why someone who fights so defensive can win all the time. Whether we like to admit it or not we do give fighters credit for moving forward and missing.
Technically Ottke was fufilling the criteria to win rounds, its just he was only just doing it most of the time and the Germans were cool with that and loved him for it.

[WhataRock]

That being said out of those two Ottke probably is the biggest fraud, but there a lot more who are way more fraudulistic.

Ruiz at least took on some dangerous fighters and came back to be a two time titlist.

[cuchulain]

i disagree scar, ruiz was shit propped up by don king to keep his hold on the hvy weight title scene. fraudely:lol: (god bless his soul) was a fraud too, but not to the extent of ruiz who personified everything wrong/corrupt in boxing


Say what you will about Ruiz, but surely you'll agree that his trainer, Stoney was the greatest trainer of all time !

[He Hate Me]

Ottke's record is grossly padded, but at least he could fight a bit. And let's not forget, he starched the annoying Mundine! :happy

Ruiz is the DEFINTION of a FRAUD - a talentless fighter who would never have come close to winning a fight at the world class level if it wasn't for Don King. He is the POSTER BOY for boxing corruption! :nod

Damn right.

[unclepaulie]

Sven Ottke? A super middleweight who dosent fight out of his country, defended his title 20 something times against fringe contenders and was overhyped and overrated and only really loved by his countrymen? man its a good thing theres nobody like that out there today.....

[The Kurgan]

And let's not forget, he starched the annoying Mundine! :happy


That's a very good point, but Ottke also had a style so negative that you needed imaginary numbers to calculate it.