can taylor get a fair deal

[Mr Butt]

there is a thread in the general forum that ask's if taylor will get a fair deal
in the fatherland .my personal opinion is that he will have to win by three rounds to get a draw .do we have any german opions out there

[Serenata]

Why fatherland? Because it´s a german phrase (Vaterland) ?

As to the question, I think he has to win 1-2 rounds more to get the nod. It´s always difficult to outpoint a homefighter, but that´s all over the world.

[Mr Butt]

Why fatherland? Because it´s a german phrase (Vaterland) ?

but that´s all over the world.


yes its a very famous german phrase


all over the world yes but in germany perhaps even harder

[Serenata]

yes its a very famous german phrase


all over the world yes but in germany perhaps even harder

THere are enough examples in the past where foreign boxers got the win in a close fight and enough german based fighters who got robbed in other countries. I don´t really think it´s harder to win in germany than in for example the states. I think often the judges tend to choose the more popular/marketable fighter in a close call (Hopkins-Calzhage). If that is so than Taylor has a real problem because Abraham is the cash cow in germany besides Sturm and the Klitschkos.

[Mr Butt]

the problem you have in the fatherland is everyone still thinks about ottke and his fixed fights

[Serenata]

I admit that the reight fight was shit but the other fights were more of a close fight than a robbery. But the more years and the more people talk about it even without having seen the fights the more Ottke becones that "monster".

ODH got so many gifts and the Sturm fight was just a disgrace and surely fixed. But is ODH the reincarnation of the devil in this forum like Ottke is? Don´t think so.

[Mr Butt]

personaly i dont think that much of de la hoya and i think you are right where sturm is concerned but what makes ottke against reid stand out is that the ref was so bad at cheating that my grandad could of spotted it and he's been dead since the sixties. ottke
was kept as champion by cheating over a period of time sad but true and your whole country is tarnished which is a pity

[Serenata]

The Reid fight was only one fight away from his chareer end. I don´t think that he was kept as champion over a period of time.

There was Reid which was a disgrace
Madsen (a MD) and Brewer (two SD) were close calls and perhaps would have gone the other way around in the US or Denmark but not really cheating or robbery.

[Mr Butt]

we will have to disagree about ottke's time as champion i think if you held a vote most people on all the forums here would rate ottke quite badly for all the reason's in my previous post's and this fairly or not does reflect on how people pecieve the honesty of decision they will get in germany

[itrymariti]

No, of course not.

[cubex]

If he's going to win a decision he better win it clearly.

Oh and fuck Sven Ottke.

[Farmboxer]

What about Kessler Vs. Ward in Ward's home town?

[Flurry]

This question always pops up when a yank fighter visits Germany and you get the notion that this is a calculated strategy: Lets provide some excuses in case the guestfighter loses the fight they re in the making already to be ready at hand to explain the possible loss of the Yank.

Theres been lousy decisions in germany and fair ones. There ve been lousy decisions and fair ones in the States as well.

If the fight turns out to be a toss up that can go either way the guest better win by a margin of 2 rounds to make sure he wins, as is the custom all over the world. To avoid any sort of dispute why not dominate the homefighter or even KO him? why looking for support by the judges to give him a narrow points decision in the other fighters backyard? :nono

Laughable

[Bo Bo Olson]

In Europe and in Germany a jab counts more than a wonderful hook to the gloves.

Ring generalmanship counts more than pure aggression.

There are no German judges judging Championship fights. And have not been for the last decade.

Often an American judge...and mostly an American Ref.
That American ref was real blind in the last Sylvester fight.

As for Reid, a cuffed blow is illegal and don't count. Not a single cuffed blow counts. It's in all the rules.....like rabbit punching and punching to the kidneys...don't count...cuffed blows can break ear drums.

Had Reid not changed strategy in the 8th, I think he could have won, but he changed his strategy, and started doing exactly what Ottka wanted him to do.

[Mr Butt]

In Europe and in Germany a jab counts more than a wonderful hook to the gloves.

Ring generalmanship counts more than pure aggression.

There are no German judges judging Championship fights. And have not been for the last decade.

Often an American judge...and mostly an American Ref.
That American ref was real blind in the last Sylvester fight.

As for Reid, a cuffed blow is illegal and don't count. Not a single cuffed blow counts. It's in all the rules.....like rabbit punching and punching to the kidneys...don't count...cuffed blows can break ear drums.

Had Reid not changed strategy in the 8th, I think he could have won, but he changed his strategy, and started doing exactly what Ottka wanted him to do.


i think you will find if reid had kept hitting otkke the ref would of dq'd reid for hitting the german with his glove .the ref was in on the fix

[cubex]

In Europe and in Germany a jab counts more than a wonderful hook to the gloves.

Ring generalmanship counts more than pure aggression.

There are no German judges judging Championship fights. And have not been for the last decade.

Often an American judge...and mostly an American Ref.
That American ref was real blind in the last Sylvester fight.

As for Reid, a cuffed blow is illegal and don't count. Not a single cuffed blow counts. It's in all the rules.....like rabbit punching and punching to the kidneys...don't count...cuffed blows can break ear drums.

Had Reid not changed strategy in the 8th, I think he could have won, but he changed his strategy, and started doing exactly what Ottka wanted him to do.

Reid got robbed.There is no question.

I'm shocked,dazed and amazed you would defend that circus that was that fight.

[ramalinga]

In Europe and in Germany a jab counts more than a wonderful hook to the gloves.

Ring generalmanship counts more than pure aggression.

There are no German judges judging Championship fights. And have not been for the last decade.

Often an American judge...and mostly an American Ref.
That American ref was real blind in the last Sylvester fight.

As for Reid, a cuffed blow is illegal and don't count. Not a single cuffed blow counts. It's in all the rules.....like rabbit punching and punching to the kidneys...don't count...cuffed blows can break ear drums.

Had Reid not changed strategy in the 8th, I think he could have won, but he changed his strategy, and started doing exactly what Ottka wanted him to do.

Good point about the Sylvester fight. A German fighter in his backyard getting a 111:116 score in a fight even his opponent knew he won. So much for thiy myth that all fights in Germany are robberies of foreign fighters. Maske was Germany's boxing hero of the 90's and he lost a close, close fight at home to Hill, a fight I thought he had won (I did root for Hill, never like Maske) and where he landed 70 more punches.

[boxeo#1]

What is fair for you?

[Farmboxer]

Ward is planning on cheating, that's his forte. If I were Kessler I would never have agreed to fight Ward in his home town, with his referee, his judges, commentators, fans, etc. Still, I think Kessler will stop Ward, but how much will ref interfere? Why did Kessler agree to such stupidity?