TV Channels low-balling Froch

[Bodysnatcher]

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[nutter]

Kevin Mitchell in the Guardian says Hennessey is in talks with various TV channels to screen the Dirrell fight, but that the best offer of the table is a "derisory" £100,000.

What should he be expecting:think. Does any1 know what a acceptable amount be:huh

[Mazallan]

Hennesey will cut his nose off despite his face so to speak and go without any tv rather than give his fighter a platform to perform on.

[theuppercut]

As much as it pains me to say it Froch ain't a big enough name yet. The tv companies (the money men) will be thinking how many homes will watch this fight. Now, all of us will - that's obvious but the mainstream fan may not. Depends on how much is spent on marketing. Amir Khan doesn't have that problem. Olympic medallist, golden boy and has been known now for several years. Hence his fights get bought with out anyone saying a word.

Hennessy needs to get real. I agree £100k is shitty but I hope he's not holding out for anything like £500k coz it wont happen.

[Losfer_Words]

100,000 is better than no money and no exposure. They need to realistic here, IMO. Short term loss for long-term gain.

[theuppercut]

100,000 is better than no money and no exposure. They need to realistic here, IMO. Short term loss for long-term gain.


Couldn't agree more. Hennessy's gotta be smart. A 100k ain't much but if the right marketing campaign is done and Froch does his media right and says the right things then they can stipulate a percentage increase in the contract. I'd love to know the web numbers for the stream they put together for the Taylor fight.

[Flea Man]

100k is better than nothing (especially considering the time its on) and with a great performance his money will surely be better next time. it can't keep going on.

[Mandanda]

Agree with all the above posts. Mick is a man of pride but he needs to realize it's a game of give and take at the moment.

Plus fact he's doing Carl no favors in this tournament..if there was to be a close fight...all the other fighters will have tv backing and he will only have the belt to bring this competition.

[GazOC]

When will Hennesey learn? He claims he was low-balled by all the TV channels for Froch-Taylor. Now its happened again shouldn't it sink in thats maybe thats just what the market thinks these fights are worth?

[SeasideSlugger]

(especially considering the time its on) .

What's that mate??

It's not one of these middle of the night jobbies to suit the Yanks is it?

[Mandanda]

What's that mate??

It's not one of these middle of the night jobbies to suit the Yanks is it?
Sadly it is mate

[SouthpawSlayer]

you sure

[Bodysnatcher]

I wonder who that best offer is from. Probably Sky.

[Bodysnatcher]

Yep it's a late night job.

Showtime's coverage starts at 1am. They're showing Abraham vs Taylor on tape delay then going straight to Nottingham live.

[Mandanda]

you sure
:yep There's a thread somewhere on here with people moaning about the under card cos they have to be in arena by 11:15 and the fight starts a 1-2am i think.

[Dirt99]

Hennesy needs to get Froch on TV this time! You have to start questioning Hennesy's promotinal skills. He failed getting Forch vs Taylor on TV and has put together a really poor undercard. Froch just needs TV exposure to get more fans which will inturn generate more money! I know they are proud men and deserve alot more then 100,000 but its better then nothing, and if Froch does the bussiness could lead to being a bigger name.

[GazOC]

I suppose from the TV companies point of view, how much do you expect them to pay to fill 2 hours of air time at 2am on a Sunday morning?

Hennesey has (presumably) taken Showtimes money and is showing the fight at a time to suit them, so now he's going to stuggle to get a decent price for the UK rights because of the time difference. Swings and roundabouts I'd say.

[Dirt99]

I suppose from the TV companies point of view, how much do you expect them to pay to fill 2 hours of air time at 2am on a Sunday morning?

Hennesey has (presumably) taken Showtimes money and is showing the fight at a time to suit them, so now he's going to stuggle to get a decent price for the UK rights because of the time difference. Swings and roundabouts I'd say.

very true, plus theres no way people are going to tune into that awful undercard hennesy has put together.

[punchdrunkgench]

hennesey had a perfect platform to build frochs public profile after the pascal fight then for watever reason they ended up streaming the taylor fight online rather than negioate a tv deal which would have again strenghtend there bargaining postion if it had been on terestial tv

[trotter]

When will Hennesey learn? He claims he was low-balled by all the TV channels for Froch-Taylor. Now its happened again shouldn't it sink in thats maybe thats just what the market thinks these fights are worth?

Exactly right. If it was worth more, then there would be competition to show it, and the price would be driven up.

Froch needs to get on domestic TV, he should be a star after his last couple of outings.

He's got all the ingredients except one - a decent promoter.

You can't help but think that under ****** he'd be a big name by now.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I have to say ehre, although I am appalled at the lack of coverage at present, Froch is a newly crowned world champ, and his last bout was a lucky KO, letes be honest, he needs to get in line.

[Dirt99]

[Only registered and activated users can see links] espn? just seen this on the 606 forums, dont know if its a official twitter or not.

[Bonavena25]

Hennessy will probably show it on a giant overhead projector via dodgy internet stream in Nottingham city centre or something.

[ishy]

Fuck off Mick! Just take the 100k FFS. It'll work out better in the long run.

[sidthehat]

100k isnt bad for 2am fight against an opponent only us hardcore fans have heard of.
Fat Mick needs to stop thinking boxing has divine right to get big tv money.

[ishy]

100k isnt bad for 2am fight against an opponent only us hardcore fans have heard of.
Fat Mick needs to stop thinking boxing has divine right to get big tv money.

Exactly, Froch is not a mainstream star. Very few non-boxing fans have heard of him (outside Nottingham). Mick must be getting a lot of dosh from Showtime plus the ticket sales so 100k for UK tv at a shit time is pretty good.

[kosaros]

Would an offer of 100,000 pies be more acceptable?

[Beeston Brawler]

Froch ought to consider marketing himself - the way Hatton did from 2001 onwards despite working with Frank ******.

In any case, an offer of £100k isn't bad at all, might pay for a decent undercard :yep

A few people said to me after Froch vs Pascal how great the fight was and to let them know when he was on again......

I said to join ESB and read the Brit Forum RBR :-(

[nutter]

Is Froch going on ESPN:think

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[Sarah]

Yeah, I have to say ehre, although I am appalled at the lack of coverage at present, Froch is a newly crowned world champ, and his last bout was a lucky KO, letes be honest, he needs to get in line.

Lol get serious! Again another 'fan' who hasn't watched the fight. It was even stevens 12 in you know without the knockout! Wake up!

[TheUzi]

Lol get serious! Again another 'fan' who hasn't watched the fight. It was even stevens 12 in you know without the knockout! Wake up!


People who scored that fight evens stevens without the KO are either A stupid B Froch fans or C women

[GazOC]

No way was the fight even going into the last round. I suppose if Taylor had survived and Froch had of gotten a 10-7 then maybe a draw.

One judge did have Froch winning after 11 rounds though IIRC?

[Bodysnatcher]

I gave Froch rounds 6, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12.

So after the knockdown in the 12th I'd have had them even.

11 was close but I thought Froch edged it.

Taylor was reduced to late flurries after his dominating start. obviously his stamina was an issue, but he was trying to steal rounds whereas Froch started settling down and finding a rhythm.

[Beeston Brawler]

Yeah not sure how anyone could have Froch in front - he was made to look silly in the first five.

Those American judges scoring for aggression again :yep

[HOF]

Bit unfair on Froch that he isn't already getting big publicity on a chosen channel. Although he took far too long getting to where he is, he is a promoter's dream with the stuff that comes out of his mouth even if he is likely to come a cropper sooner rather than later. Setanta were far too ambitious with the money they were doling out on various sports, but now ESPN are the polar opposite. It means that Sky are in a position to become the British HBO in putting undeserving cards on ppv whilst lowballing deserving bouts through the lack of a competitive market place. Could do with a British incarnation of Showtime springing out of nowhere

[Sarah]

People who scored that fight evens stevens without the KO are either A stupid B Froch fans or C women

Congratulations. You've just showcased how little you know! :good

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That was the greatest gap in scoring; others in US press row had it closer - 86 to 85 & 86 to 84.

Going into round 10 the US commentator had Taylor up 87 to 83 too.

* At the absolute worst you couldn't not give Carl less than three out of the first nine rounds - you'd have to be an absolute hater or severe nuthugger not to! That would give you the above scores - or closer. This would also mean Taylor won 6 out of the first 9 rounds too - that sounds about right doesn't it? *


Now lets score the last three rounds - EACH and EVERY one 100% Froch rounds that you simply CANNOT deny.

Round 10: 9 - 10 to Froch so the total accumulative score was 96 to 93

Round 11: 9 - 10 to Froch so the total accumulative score was 105 to 103

Round 12: 10 - 8 to Froch (WITHOUT THE STOPPAGE!) so the total accumulative score was 113 to 113.
(At the start of this round commentators confirm they now have it a 2 ROUND fight for Taylor...before the knockdown which would make it a 8 - 10 round for Froch and before the stoppage)

See? At the very absolute worst this match was a draw! DRAW! And that is without the stoppage should it have gone to points.

So can we cut the bullshit "Taylor was dominating!" talk please?!?!?!?

Lets stop deluding ourselves and look at this factually. Saying Taylor gassing lost the fight is like me saying Froch being slower lost the fight; a fighter is what he is and uses what he uses. Boxing is about matchups and styles and if a fighter is an attribute short that's what he is plain and simple.

[TFFP]

Froch was losing going into the last round. He lost 5 of the first 6 clearly and I didn't have Froch winning every round 6-11.

[Kid Lucky]

I'm not sure I agree with the comments about Froch getting coverage at to help his profile. He's fought almost his entire career on BBC and ITV and had all his big fights on. Okay Taylor was delayed ITV but it was on so I don't think he's that badly promoted.

Would people prefer it if he came into the ring wearing Forest shorts, with football songs and fought WBU tidle fights for the next 5 years to get the momentum up if that's what's needed.

He's got a reasonably high profile in relation to the sport as a whole I'd say, most people I know who don't follow boxing but like sport know who he is.

Appreciate the man and the way his career has gone and be fucked off at how the economy has wrecked boxing coverage in the UK.

What I don't understand thoguh is why the fight is not on ITV live as the other Hennessey Sports are?

[GazOC]

On the other hand over the last year he's been in 2 FOTY candidates and still can't get a TV deal....I'd say he isn't being promoted THAT well.

[Bodysnatcher]

What I don't understand thoguh is why the fight is not on ITV live as the other Hennessey Sports are?

Good point.

Far as I know, Hennessey still has a contract with ITV for UK fights, which is what Froch vs Dirrell is.

I thought ITV weren't obligated to show Froch vs Taylor only 'cos it took place on foreign soil.

Obviously that contract has some lee-way.

[Sarah]

Froch was losing going into the last round. He lost 5 of the first 6 clearly and I didn't have Froch winning every round 6-11.

So I'll play your little game and be very generous - lets give Taylor all of the 6 first round shall we? And an extra point for KD and that's 7 points up on Froch at the halfway mark.

Now we have 6 rounds left........

Openly Deny for us all Froch won rounds 10,11 and 12 plainly? it's something no person with eyes can do so lets give Carl 4 points for those 3 rounds and the KD.

So Taylor's now 3 rounds up which brings us to rounds 7,8 & 9. Score those 3 rounds for us please I'd like to know which ones - and why - you gave them to Taylor?

P.S. lets remember two things as well: 1) I am being very generous giving Taylor all 6 of the 1st few rounds because quite frankly he didn't sweep those 6 rounds I just gave them to him so I could easily argue this whole topic that the fight was closer than Froch haters will admit And 2) Without the stoppage it would have be a 10-7 round to Froch because Taylor was well on his way to getting put down again.....14 seconds...no cover up...dizzy...against the ropes...wheezing...confused....that's 14 seconds of pounding he simply wouldn't have survived so you can reasonably give Froch a 10-7 there if you want to discount the KO.

So...2 points difference...3 rounds to score...7/8/9 & I'm just dying to know where this 'domination' of Froch myth has come from! :huh:huh:huh:huh

[kosaros]

Why are you debating something that isn't really a big deal at all?

[Sarah]

Why are you debating something that isn't really a big deal at all?

I wouldn't care if people thought Taylor won by 1/2 points I really wouldn't but people talk like Taylor schooled Froch for 12 whole rounds like he done a Calzaghe > Lacy on Froch then suddenly tired and wheezed out.......it's annoying! :fire

[slip&counter]

i wonder who's offering the 100,000?

its a big difference if its a terestrial channel then a sky or espn

[GazOC]

For the record 2 of the judges had Froch 4 points down at the end of the 11th....

[Sarah]

For the record 2 of the judges had Froch 4 points down at the end of the 11th....

I know, my post said United States & UK AND US commentators had it scored at most what I posted.

I then broke the fight scoring down (several times) so the fight could fairly be assessed :good

[leighton]

Someone has to show this fight live. I think there would be a chance of a replay on ITV the next day but then again it is X Factor time. I would love it for the bbc to show the highlights of these fights it would be a step in the right direction for them but they are happy to spends millions on F1.

[TheUzi]

I wouldn't care if people thought Taylor won by 1/2 points I really wouldn't but people talk like Taylor schooled Froch for 12 whole rounds like he done a Calzaghe > Lacy on Froch then suddenly tired and wheezed out.......it's annoying! :fire


No one's making out that he schooled him for the whole fight but the first 6 rounds were embarrassing.

Completely outclassed ,ploderous and yes...schooled.

Would you deny that?

[trotter]

I had it close going into twelve. I think Taylor up by two. Can't remember. So Froch would have won on the cards with a 10-7, drew with a 10-8.

I thought Froch swept the second half of the fight.

[UndisputedUK]

£150 - £200k For a big title fight from the BBC or ITV. Someone should grab it live. It's worth no more than that.

[riggers]

Sarah i think what Taylor did was demonstrate how to beat Froch. The first 6 rounds Taylor was dominant, his collapse was spectacular and down to Carl. Whether or not Carl can do that to everyone else is doubtful. Cracking fight.

[slip&counter]

small chedder plus exposure is better then no chicken and no exposure

[Beeston Brawler]

Exactly.

IMO Hennessy is being very selfish here. He could get more exposure for his other fighters - if he put the right ones on, by that I mean the ones that people give a shit about.

Put Murray vs Thaxton on the bill and take whatever money is available..... if the show goes down well you are bound to receive good publicity and probably better offers from hereon in.

Froch ought to just get rid of Mick and do his own TV deal. He is a pretty intelligent guy, cut out the middle man and secure your future.

[TFFP]

Exactly.

IMO Hennessy is being very selfish here. He could get more exposure for his other fighters - if he put the right ones on, by that I mean the ones that people give a shit about.

Put Murray vs Thaxton on the bill and take whatever money is available..... if the show goes down well you are bound to receive good publicity and probably better offers from hereon in.

Froch ought to just get rid of Mick and do his own TV deal. He is a pretty intelligent guy, cut out the middle man and secure your future.
That's all very well but Hennessy has to actually pay the boxers. If the pot is too small he'll be digging into his own pocket.

[Beeston Brawler]

If he does his sums he ought to be alright.

Put the TV money as a potential bonus figure in the contracts for the bouts.

He has got it wrong before. Junior Witter was paid 'a substantial six figure sum' for the Harris fight, despite there being hardly anybody there.

I'd say Mick's morals as a promoter are excellent - proper titles, excellent cards (until recently) but his business sense is sorely lacking.

[warrior85]

hennessey should be realistic,its most likely gonna be a late start and dirrell is unknown to casual fans,he should accept the offer,if the fight does well he can negotiate a better deal on the next fight.

[Steve Fox]

I know Froch has had millions watching his last two fights, but Mick needs to understand why. It wasn't down to Froch's name, it's down to the fact that there's plenty of people that don't go out and upon hearing a trailer for world championship boxing thought 'excellent, that's something to watch then'.

[Farmboxer]

Americans claim that Froch has zero chance vs. Dirrell. Dirrell will knock Froch out easily and early. Biased?