Top 10 P4P at the end of 2007???? What's yours???

[PacDbest]

Let's Predict the top 10 P4P at the end of 2007. All the Big fight is set for the year. Let's predict what the Ring's P4P will give us after all fights are done.

Mine:

1. Pacquiao--- Impressive & Dominating win against MAB couple with...
2. PBF----another dissapointing show & failure to totally dominate Hatton.
3. Calzaghe---Schooling of Kessler
4. JMM--- Masterful performance against Juarez.
5. Cotto--- Close win against Mosley in a war.
6. Vasquez--Win against Rafa, might fight a tune-up within this year.
7. Pavlik---for destroying Taylor(which Bhop & Winky failed to do)
8. Bhop-- for having 1 boring win this year.
9. Rafa--- just for respect for fighting like a warrior.
10. Juan Diaz---Partially unifying 135. Welcome fat boy.

Sorry winky...ran out of spot.

[PacDbest]

Dude, how can you make all these ridiculous assumptions? I'm sure your going to be far from right come the end of the year.

That's why make your own, so we can visit this thread at the end of the year.

[lillarry]

Let's Predict the top 10 P4P at the end of 2007. All the Big fight is set for the year. Let's predict what the Ring's P4P will give us after all fights are done.

Mine:

1. Pacquiao--- Impressive & Dominating win against MAB couple with...
2. PBF----another dissapointing show & failure to totally dominate Hatton.
3. Calzaghe---Schooling of Kessler
4. JMM--- Masterful performance against Juarez.
5. Cotto--- Close win against Mosley in a war.
6. Vasquez--Win against Rafa, might fight a tune-up within this year.
7. Pavlik---for destroying Taylor(which Bhop & Winky failed to do)
8. Bhop-- for having 1 boring win this year.
9. Rafa--- just for respect for fighting like a warrior.
10. Juan Diaz---Partially unifying 135. Welcome fat boy.

Sorry winky...ran out of spot.

Pacquiao over PBF. STFU. You take nuthugging to a whole new level:-(

[TanstA]

groupie.. haha

[PacDbest]

Pacquiao over PBF. STFU. You take nuthugging to a whole new level:-(

Here's a quote for Ring editor Chief Nigel Colins.

Collins made it clear that another dominant display by Pacquiao “could conceivably push him to the No.1 position in the Ring Magazine’s pound-for-pound ratings especially if Floyd Mayweather (the current No,1) scrapes past Ricky Hatton.” He pointed out that another performance like the one he (Mayweather) delivered against Oscar De La Hoya “will not be enough to keep ‘Pretty Boy’ on top.”

[PacDbest]

groupie.. haha

Make your own so I can criticize you at the end of the year.

[TanstA]

Make your own so I can criticize you at the end of the year.

im good.. i'll just wait till a few months pass and the results are in.

then i'll make a list based on FACTS. :good

[lillarry]

Here's a quote for Ring editor Chief Nigel Colins.

Collins made it clear that another dominant display by Pacquiao “could conceivably push him to the No.1 position in the Ring Magazine’s pound-for-pound ratings especially if Floyd Mayweather (the current No,1) scrapes past Ricky Hatton.” He pointed out that another performance like the one he (Mayweather) delivered against Oscar De La Hoya “will not be enough to keep ‘Pretty Boy’ on top.”

I wont imo consider a dominant perfomance against a past his prime fighter in MAB worthy of Pacquiao catalpulting over Mayweather. Hell Calzaghe will be more worthy of the top spot if he dominates Kessler.

[TanstA]

I wont imo consider a dominant perfomance against a past his prime fighter in MAB worthy of Pacquiao catalpulting over Mayweather. Hell Calzaghe will be more worthy of the top spot if he dominates Kessler.

you got a bigger version of the poster in your avatar?

[PacDbest]

I wont imo consider a dominant perfomance against a past his prime fighter in MAB worthy of Pacquiao catalpulting over Mayweather. Hell Calzaghe will be more worthy of the top spot if he dominates Kessler.

Isn't it DLH past his Prime??? How did PBF beat him???

[PacDbest]

im good.. i'll just wait till a few months pass and the results are in.

then i'll make a list based on FACTS. :good

This is a Prediction thread.

[lillarry]

you got a bigger version of the poster in your avatar?

I dont get your question?

[TanstA]

I dont get your question?

the taylor/pavlik pic in your avatar.

do you have a bigger size of the image.

[PacDbest]

1. PBF - can't lose your title if you don't lose when fighting another P4P Top 10er.

2. Pacquaio - should beat MAB although it's by no means a sure thing with his hectic schedule.

3. Taylor - dispatching Pavlik pretty easily before moving up to SMW

4. Calzaghe - schooling Kessler without much effort

5. Cotto - beating Mosley in a great fight - FOTY potential

6. Bernard Hopkins - inactivity costing him a few spots but a solid win over Winky

7. Vazquez

8. Mijares

9. Hatton - beaten by the best but still worth his place

10. JMM - win over Juarez puts him in

I would like to Put Mijares but he needs to fight a high profile one on HBO & SHO to be considered on the list.

Hatton is presently Ring's #9, a loss will kick him out of top 10.

[PacDbest]

the taylor/pavlik pic in your avatar.

do you have a bigger size of the image.

He wants to Fantasize :rofl :rofl

[TanstA]

He wants to Fantasize :rofl :rofl
says the man with a screename dedicating that pac is "D" best. :roll:

[lillarry]

the taylor/pavlik pic in your avatar.

do you have a bigger size of the image.


I got it off the hbo boxing website

[lillarry]

1. Hatton

2. Calzaghe

3. Kessler

4. Ibragamov

5. Maskaev

6. Klitschko

7. Pavlik

8. Pacquiao

9. De La Hoya

10. Barrera

:patsch :rofl :rofl :patsch

[kg0208]

1. Mayweather
2. Pacquiao
3. Calzaghe
4. Vazquez
5. Cotto
6. JMM
7. Dawson
8. Pavlik
9. Calderon
10. Juan Diaz

[TanstA]

What's so funny Hillary?
you muthafucka. you. :lol:

[kg0208]

Quote:
Originally Posted by FloydP4PChump
1. Hatton

2. Calzaghe

3. Kessler

4. Ibragamov

5. Maskaev

6. Klitschko

7. Pavlik

8. Pacquiao

9. De La Hoya

10. Barrera


:patsch :rofl :rofl :patsch


^^What's so funny Hillary?
That's kinda obvious.

You have Calzaghe and Kessler #2 and #3. You think they are going to draw? You have Pacman and Barrera #8 and #10...another draw?

De La Hoya gets in after losing to Mayweather and not fighting at all the rest of this year? And there is another noticable absent thing, but I am not going there.

[PacDbest]

1. Hatton

2. Calzaghe

3. Kessler

4. Ibragamov

5. Maskaev

6. Klitschko

7. Pavlik

8. Pacquiao

9. De La Hoya

10. Barrera

I guess you're a Racist White Skinhead guy. You're top 7 is all White. Not even a black guy on your list.

[kg0208]

I guess you're a Racist White Skinhead guy. You're top 7 is all White. Not even a black guy on your list.

You said what I was thinking when I said "There is another noticable absent thing, but I'm not going there"

[TanstA]

ahhh subliminal racism at its best.

[PacDbest]

1. Mayweather
2. Pacquiao
3. Calzaghe
4. Vazquez
5. Cotto
6. JMM
7. Dawson
8. Pavlik
9. Calderon
10. Juan Diaz

If Dawson wins I'll probably put him below Pavlik & Diaz.

I don't think Calderon can turn heads of the Ring editors.

[kg0208]

Since when is it mandated that black guys HAVE to be on your P4P list? Get off Pac's nuts for a while and think a little...it's clogging up your brain.

When they are among the top fighters in the sport, and you don't rank them, it looks rather odd. Actually, glaring.

[PacDbest]

That's an opinion pal, not a fact.:good

I'm not gonna take this guy seriously...

[kg0208]

Why don't you clue me in? What the hell are you referring to? This is my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

Stick to it then. You have a noticable absense of blacks from your list, when there are many black fighters who are champions currently and certainly worthy p4p candidates. Many are better fighters than the ones on your list.

You seem to have gone out of your way to exclude them as well, because you listed 3 HW, and only one of them is close to being a top fighter in the world regardless of weight.

[kg0208]

That's an opinion pal, not a fact.:good

A solid opinion based on factual evidence of titles and accomplishments. Many far more accomplished than the fighters on your list.

It IS a fact that you have rated fighters that are not on any known published list besides yours.

[kg0208]

Stick to Bratswurst because you don't know shit about boxing pal :hi:

Called sarcasm.

[PacDbest]

This coming from the #1 nuthugger with "PacDBest" as a screen name:rofl

I'm a little bit Bias for Pac coz I believe he's the best. But my list is closer to reality than yours.

[kg0208]

You have Juan Diaz above Winky?! How's that reality?
You don't have Winky on your list at all. Wright did lose his last fight to a 42yr old, someone else you don't rate.

Juan Diaz is unbeaten and will have unified a title if he wins.

You have DLH who lost his last fight and is 2-2 in his last 4, but don't have the man who last beat him (and judging by your screename you wouldn't rate him even if he beat your #1 guy).

How is that reality?

[lillarry]

Since when is it mandated that black guys HAVE to be on your P4P list? Get off Pac's nuts for a while and think a little...it's clogging up your brain.

I thought that you were kidding. You cant be that much of a dumbass. Can you?:huh

[HopkinsFan]

1. Mayweather
2. Pacquaio
3. Calzaghe
4. Cotto
5. Vazquez
6. Hopkins
7. Juan Diaz
8. Taylor
9. Hatton
10. Paul Williams

I just thought Williams was very impressive against Margarito, he just edges out Wright and Kessler to 10th position on mine, Kessler puts in a valiant performance against Calzaghe and Wright never really got going againt Bhop..

[Amsterdam]

1. Mayweather
2. Pacquaio
3. Calzaghe
4. Miguel Cotto
5. Cristian Mijares
6. Juan Manuel Marquez
7. Chad Dawson
8. Israel Vasquez
9. Joan Guzman
10. Ivan Calderon

Hopkins and Wright are out, Taylor will be KTFO and that will put them into perspective. Mijares schooled his divisions number 2 horrifically in Jorge Arce and showcased immense talent.

Calderon deserves a top spot now, but number 10. Guzman will beat Soto, Vasquez sealed his spot with his victory and if Dawson dominates Diaconu, he will easily deserve a spot, that will be Adamek and Diaconu dominated for 2007.

Hatton gets DESTROYED against Floyd, knocking him out by the end of 2007.

[Amsterdam]

:rofl



:-(

Hatton gets dominated, as does Mosely, two current top 12's are out right there. Taylor gets destroyed, which puts Hopkins and Wright into question at their current state, so they are out.

If Guzman dominates the avoided Soto, he deserves a spot.

[unclepaulie]

1. Mayweather
2.Hopkins
3.Pacquiao
4.JMMarquez
5.Cotto
6.Pavlik
7.Vazquez
8.Wright
9.RMarquez
10.Kessler
wait and see

[unclepaulie]

Originally posted by Amsterdam
1. Mayweather
2. Pacquaio
3. Calzaghe
4. Miguel Cotto
5. Cristian Mijares
6. Juan Manuel Marquez
7. Chad Dawson
8. Israel Vasquez
9. Joan Guzman
10. Ivan Calderon

that looks to me like a list based on potential and not accomplishment. No Hopkins, or Pavlik?

[MrMagic]

1. PBF
2. PAC
3. B-HOPS
4. JMM
5. Israel Vazquez
6. Taylor
7. SSM
8. Kessler
9. Wright
10. Dawson

[mykolakozak]

What about Dzindziruk

[Amsterdam]

What about Dzindziruk

Not a big enough name, has defeated no names, you know the drill my man.:lol:

Realistically, he's a top 20 on skills and ability, I fear he will never get his chance to shine however.

[Amsterdam]

1. PBF
2. PAC
3. B-HOPS
4. JMM
5. Israel Vazquez
6. Taylor
7. SSM
8. Kessler
9. Wright
10. Dawson

If Kessler beats Calzaghe and becomes the first undisputed SMW, he is a top 5 by default.

[mykolakozak]

Not a big enough name, has defeated no names, you know the drill my man.:lol:

Realistically, he's a top 20 on skills and ability, I fear he will never get his chance to shine however.

NAME 5 FIGHTERS WITH ""NAMES" THAT HE SHOULD FIGHT TO SHINE

[Amsterdam]

NAME 5 FIGHTERS WITH ""NAMES" THAT HE SHOULD FIGHT TO SHINE

Well, newly 'Alcine'.

Next would be big names like Spinks, Winky, Mosely and the lot, but Karmazin would be acceptable also.

A shutout or KO over any of those would send him into the regard that he deserves. It's a shame that it's set up that way, considering he's not American and will get less chances since that means you are not in a major promotional outfit, but that's the way it is.

I hope for the best, I always stick up for underrated guys that deserve the chance to shine and recieve the acclaim.

[PeterNielsen70]

1. Mayweather
2. Kessler
3. Pacquaio
4. Taylor
5. Juan Diaz
6. Vazquez
7. Calzaghe
8. Barrera
9. Hatton
10. Mosley

:bbb

[standing 8]

Here's a quote for Ring editor Chief Nigel Colins.

Collins made it clear that another dominant display by Pacquiao “could conceivably push him to the No.1 position in the Ring Magazine’s pound-for-pound ratings especially if Floyd Mayweather (the current No,1) scrapes past Ricky Hatton.” He pointed out that another performance like the one he (Mayweather) delivered against Oscar De La Hoya “will not be enough to keep ‘Pretty Boy’ on top.”

But there is no reason to think that Pacquiao won't come out victorious in his rematch with MAB. Marco is coming off of a loss, and what if the fight goes the distance? How would that effect Pacmans standing?

[brooklyn1550]

At the end of 2007, here's my prediction of what my P4P list will look like...

1. Floyd Mayweather, Jr.
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Joe Calzaghe
4. Bernard Hopkins
5. Juan Manuel Marquez
6. Miguel Cotto
7. Israel Vazquez
8. Ivan Calderon
9. Kelly Pavlik
10. Rafael Marquez

Outside Looking In
Ricky Hatton
Winky Wright

[Marnoff]

Isn't it DLH past his Prime??? How did PBF beat him???

Floyd also recognized that Oscar was the bigger name and bigger attraction... and gave him all of the advantages.

[retriever]

1. Mayweather
2. Pacquiao
3. Hopkins
4. Cotto
5. Vasquez
6. Calzaghe
7. Kessler
8. JMM
9. Hatton
10. Wlad

[Marnoff]

At the end of 2007, here's my prediction of what my P4P list will look like...

1. Floyd Mayweather, Jr.
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Joe Calzaghe
4. Bernard Hopkins
5. Juan Manuel Marquez
6. Miguel Cotto
7. Israel Vazquez
8. Ivan Calderon
9. Kelly Pavlik
10. Rafael Marquez

Outside Looking In
Ricky Hatton
Winky Wright

So then I take it Pavlik is going to hit Taylor so hard he'll fall right out of the top ten and not be close enough to look back inside? Sounds like you're predicting something brutal.

[brooklyn1550]

So then I take it Pavlik is going to hit Taylor so hard he'll fall right out of the top ten and not be close enough to look back inside? Sounds like you're predicting something brutal.

Nothing against JT, but I feel Pavlik is going to knock him out and get a place in the top 10 pound for pound for an impressive performance against a guy who has never been beaten. Pavlik TKO7

[kg0208]

horrible list:-(
At least there are words to describe his list.....yours is so disfunctional that it can't be described. :deal

1. Hatton

2. Calzaghe

3. Kessler

4. Ibragamov

5. Maskaev

6. Klitschko

7. Pavlik

8. Pacquiao

9. De La Hoya

10. Barrera:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[brooklyn1550]

Notice something about his list kg?

[kg0208]

Notice something about his list kg?

Yah, we all mentioned it earlier in the thread.....besides the absence of PBF, he seems to have gone out of his way to not include any fighters of a dark complexion at all. Even adding in HW's who are not only not the best fighters in the world by any means, but not even the best fighters in their division, save for Wlad.

[rodney]

Joe Mesi ????

[juancho214]

You have Juan Diaz above Winky?! How's that reality?you have oleg maskaev on your list,:patsch

[brooklyn1550]

you have oleg maskaev on your list,:patsch

:rofl

[PacDbest]

But there is no reason to think that Pacquiao won't come out victorious in his rematch with MAB. Marco is coming off of a loss, and what if the fight goes the distance? How would that effect Pacmans standing?

As long as Pac shows dominance & Show his new added skills, Pac will gain the nod to be ahead of Floyd if Floyd did a borefest again.

[lillarry]

Let's Predict the top 10 P4P at the end of 2007. All the Big fight is set for the year. Let's predict what the Ring's P4P will give us after all fights are done.

Mine:

1. Pacquiao--- Impressive & Dominating win against MAB couple with...
2. PBF----another dissapointing show & failure to totally dominate Hatton.
3. Calzaghe---Schooling of Kessler
4. JMM--- Masterful performance against Juarez.
5. Cotto--- Close win against Mosley in a war.
6. Vasquez--Win against Rafa, might fight a tune-up within this year.
7. Pavlik---for destroying Taylor(which Bhop & Winky failed to do)
8. Bhop-- for having 1 boring win this year.
9. Rafa--- just for respect for fighting like a warrior.
10. Juan Diaz---Partially unifying 135. Welcome fat boy.

Sorry winky...ran out of spot.



1.PBF
2. Pacquiao
3. Bhop
4. Calzaghe
5. Vaquez
6. JMM
7. Taylor:smoke
8. Cotto
9. Wright
10. Dawson



7.

[Stinky gloves]

1. Calzaghe
2. Hatton
3. MAB
4. Mosley
5. Marquez
6. Floyd
7. Juan Diaz
8. Wlad Klitchko
9. Vasquez
10. Hopkins

[BewareofDawg]

When is Wlad scheduled to fight again? 1 more KO victory and he is in my top 10 P4P.

[youthmann]

1. Floyd
2. Pacman
3. Calzaghe
4. MAB
5. Taylor
6. B. Hopkins
7. Mosley
8. Hatton
9. Kessler
10. Dawson

When MK beats JC he will belong to p4p #5.
Cotto is my #11 he switches with shane when he beats him

[kg0208]

As long as Pac shows dominance & Show his new added skills, Pac will gain the nod to be ahead of Floyd if Floyd did a borefest again.

It said "it's conceivable"....

It's very easy to use such vague terms (what does Ring consider a dominant performance, what's boring to them, etc). He made no promises, and HE doesn't decide the list from my understanding. It's done by a group, a committee if you will. You're taking a statement that was vague in the first place and hardly a declaration and turning it into a promise and a fact. I think that's a mistake.

[kg0208]

The ring editor-in-chief already laid out the scenario, if PAC will look good against MAB (meaning if we're impressed with his performance) then PAC will snatch the no. 1 P4P position right after October 6 ...

PAC will continue occupying the no. 1 slot if PBF will again do a boring (like his performance against DelaHoya) fight on December 8 ...

I think that's what the ring editor has in mind... ;)
As I said....he said CONCEIVABLE.

And he doesn't make that decision. Unless he is speaking for the committee that makes the p4p list.

And if they remove PBF for being BORING, especially if he wins a clear UD, they will lose credibility. Fighters are not judged on excitment when it comes to P4P and ATG lists.

[Brickhaus]

The ring editor-in-chief already laid out the scenario, if PAC will look good against MAB (meaning if we're impressed with his performance) then PAC will snatch the no. 1 P4P position right after October 6 ...

PAC will continue occupying the no. 1 slot if PBF will again do a boring (like his performance against DelaHoya) fight on December 8 ...

I think that's what the ring editor has in mind... ;)

Unfortunately, the Ring Editor-in-Chief doesn't decide the P4P list - there's about 20+ guys on a committee who are polled, and enough of them would need to change their votes for Pac to overtake PBF. I'm sure a few of them already vote for someone other than PBF.

To answer the original question, here's a guess as to what the Ring rankings might look like:

1) PBF (after cruising past Hatton)
2) Pac (after beating MAB)
3) JM Marquez (after beating Juarez)
4) Calzaghe (after soundly whooping Kessler)
5) Hopkins
6) Izzy Vasquez
7) Miguel Cotto (after beating Mosley)
8) R. Marquez
9) W. Wright
10) Juan Diaz (after beating Julio Diaz)

[kg0208]

I'm just pointing out here that one member of the Ring Mag P4P ranking commitee has in mind that PAC can occupy the no. 1 P4P slot after October 6 as against the views of most posters here that it's "impossible" for PAC to achieve the no. 1 P4P ranking...
Well then saying that is entirely different than what is being said in this thread by some others. There is no guarantee that this scenario takes place, which is how it has been coming off from some of Pacman's supporters.

What you just said is not the same as this...As long as Pac shows dominance & Show his new added skills, Pac will gain the nod to be ahead of Floyd if Floyd did a borefest again.

[jecxbox]

1. Pacquiao--- Impressive & Dominating win against MAB couple with...
2. PBF----another dissapointing show & failure to totally dominate Hatton.
3. Calzaghe---Schooling of Kessler
4. JMM--- Masterful performance against Juarez.
5. Cotto--- Close win against Mosley in a war.
6. Vasquez--Win against Rafa, might fight a tune-up within this year.
7. Pavlik---for destroying Taylor(which Bhop & Winky failed to do)
8. Bhop-- for having 1 boring win this year.
9. Rafa--- just for respect for fighting like a warrior.
10. Juan Diaz---Partially unifying 135. Welcome fat boy.


That might very well happen with the exception of having Manny over Floyd. Floyd will stay p4p #1 if he beats Hatton.

[hmi]

That might very well happen with the exception of having Manny over Floyd. Floyd will stay p4p #1 if he beats Hatton.
I agree with what you said.

Caveat is when Floyd beats Hatton in a SD or a controversial decision. I'm expecting a Floyd whopping of Hatton.

[DanePugilist]

1) Kessler
2) Hatton
3) Cotto
4) Pacman
5) Pavlik
6) Vasquez
7) Mijares
8) Juarez
9) Dawson
10) Floyd

[Fab2333]

1) Kessler
2) Hatton
3) Cotto
4) Pacman
5) Pavlik
6) Vasquez
7) Mijares
8) Juarez
9) Dawson
10) Floyd:rofl:rofl:rofl:nut:nut:nut:huh

[DanePugilist]

:rofl:rofl:rofl:nut:nut:nut:huhI personally think its a pretty good list... and its very defendable...

[Fab2333]

I personally think its a pretty good list... and its very defendable...
wateva you say dane

[DanePugilist]

wateva you say daneThank you... I'll keep that in mind.

[Amsterdam]

1) Kessler
2) Hatton
3) Cotto
4) Pacman
5) Pavlik
6) Vasquez
7) Mijares
8) Juarez
9) Dawson
10) Floyd

Problems, Jaurez and Hatton have little chance, Pacman would still be better than Cotto for his all around record and a new blasting of Barrera even if Cotto rapes Mosely.

Mijares, good call.

Dawson, good call.

Pavlik KOing shitty Taylor doesn't merit a top 5 spot, it merits a top 12 spot.

Floyd down low, can't justify it because he'll win, but you can absolutely justify Pacman ovr him and I do.

Kessler beats Calzaghe? It's arguable for a top spot.

[hooligan]

talk about counting your fried chicken before they even hatch...

[chimba]

Problems, Jaurez and Hatton have little chance, Pacman would still be better than Cotto for his all around record and a new blasting of Barrera even if Cotto rapes Mosely.

Mijares, good call.

Dawson, good call.

Pavlik KOing shitty Taylor doesn't merit a top 5 spot, it merits a top 12 spot.

Floyd down low, can't justify it because he'll win, but you can absolutely justify Pacman ovr him and I do.

Kessler beats Calzaghe? It's arguable for a top spot.

I know you are a candidate on the ESB board but your diplomacy tactic has gotten out of hand..:rofl :rofl This list is Shite! You might lose votes on this comment:yep

[DanePugilist]

Problems, Jaurez and Hatton have little chance, Pacman would still be better than Cotto for his all around record and a new blasting of Barrera even if Cotto rapes Mosely.

Mijares, good call.

Dawson, good call.

Pavlik KOing shitty Taylor doesn't merit a top 5 spot, it merits a top 12 spot.

Floyd down low, can't justify it because he'll win, but you can absolutely justify Pacman ovr him and I do.

Kessler beats Calzaghe? It's arguable for a top spot.Well, I see that Rocky can beat JMM(if the fight is still on). I am just wishing for a Hatton upset, and I think that Mosley is a better win at this point than MAB is. Pacman has already beaten MAB, so I can't give alot of points as if it was the first time they met.

If Hatton beats PBF, I think he should drop alot, since I think his first spot wasn't spot on in the first place.

Your last comment was my thought exactly, so I decided in the end to place him first. Beating Calzaghe is really the best thing you can do, I think. After that Floyd, and therefore Hatton is placed 2nd.

[DanePugilist]

I know you are a candidate on the ESB board but your diplomacy tactic has gotten out of hand..:rofl :rofl This list is Shite! You might lose votes on this comment:yepAt least my list isn't a direct copy from a magazine.

Of course alot on my list requires some favourites to loose, but I don't think it's of Utopic proportions.

[JAM Killer]

Mayweather
Pacquiao
Taylor
Kessler
Jmm

[PacDbest]

Problems, Jaurez and Hatton have little chance, Pacman would still be better than Cotto for his all around record and a new blasting of Barrera even if Cotto rapes Mosely.

Mijares, good call.

Dawson, good call.

Pavlik KOing shitty Taylor doesn't merit a top 5 spot, it merits a top 12 spot.

Floyd down low, can't justify it because he'll win, but you can absolutely justify Pacman ovr him and I do.

Kessler beats Calzaghe? It's arguable for a top spot.

Dawson lost his Dance partner. I guess he's out of this p4p consideration.

[kg0208]

Dawson lost his Dance partner. I guess he's out of this p4p consideration.
Dawson may get in anways, since many in front of him may lose, and he is unbeaten and looks very good.

[PacDbest]

Dawson may get in anways, since many in front of him may lose, and he is unbeaten and looks very good.

Who he is fighting next to be considered??? A journeyman??? Call Glenn Johnson Then I'll consider him.

[kg0208]

Who he is fighting next to be considered??? A journeyman??? Call Glenn Johnson Then I'll consider him.

He already beat a top level fighter. He has shown considerable skill. Ring may rank him anyways. Others here do because of his win over Adamek.

Glenn Johnson BTW, was considered a journeyman until he beat an old Jones.

[PacDbest]

He already beat a top level fighter. He has shown considerable skill. Ring may rank him anyways. Others here do because of his win over Adamek.

Glenn Johnson BTW, was considered a journeyman until he beat an old Jones.

But he's not a journeyman anymore after that. Mendoza has 2 decent win thou against Rubin williams & Olajide. But Dawson win against him won't help him in the P4P consideration.

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[kg0208]

But he's not a journeyman anymore after that. Mendoza has 2 decent win thou against Rubin williams & Olajide. But Dawson win against him won't help him in the P4P consideration.

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Thus my point....why is he not considered a journeyman anymore? Is he any better than he was? You once called Baldomir a journeyman.

Either way, Dawson doesn't need to fight Diaconu to be considered for P4P. He is already being considered, he just has not solidified his place.

[PacDbest]

Thus my point....why is he not considered a journeyman anymore? Is he any better than he was? You once called Baldomir a journeyman.

Either way, Dawson doesn't need to fight Diaconu to be considered for P4P. He is already being considered, he just has not solidified his place.

Baldomir is a Good Journeyman but he beat only a shot Gatti & an overrated Judah who both accumulate loses after Baldo beat them.

With Johnson win, Dawson will have more credit. How about Beating a guy who KO the former #1 P4P of the world. & has a win against former top 10 P4P tarver. Johnson Is also tested as he has fought toughest competition. by the way Johnson was a Fighter of the Year 3 yrs ago.
Boxrec Rated him #3 while mendoza was #56. Pac fought undefeated Solis & Larios who was top 10 in all ratings & it was just a tune-up. And he never gets Credit.

[kg0208]

Baldomir is a Good Journeyman but he beat only a shot Gatti & an overrated Judah who both accumulate loses after Baldo beat them.

With Johnson win, Dawson will have more credit. How about Beating a guy who KO the former #1 P4P of the world. & has a win against former top 10 P4P tarver. Johnson Is also tested as he has fought toughest competition. by the way Johnson was a Fighter of the Year 3 yrs ago.
Boxrec Rated him #3 while mendoza was #56. Pac fought undefeated Solis & Larios who was top 10 in all ratings & it was just a tune-up. And he never gets Credit.
Boxrec has no credibility.

You cannot change you stance in mid debate. Judah was rated just where he was. I can just as easily call Johnson overrated. You either rely on rankings or you don't. You cannot just decide one is overrated when it supports you. Johnson also lost after beating a prone Jones and Tarver, same as Baldomir.

3 years ago is 3 years ago. He has lost since then to Woods, an good fighter but not an elite one. We don't rate fighters on what they did 3 years ago. If Johnson cannot even beat Woods, then he is not a top caliber fighter. Dawson beat Adamek, he doesn't need Johnson.

Solis nor Larios were rated by Ring in Pacman's weight class when he fought them.

[PacDbest]

Boxrec has no credibility.

You cannot change you stance in mid debate. Judah was rated just where he was. I can just as easily call Johnson overrated. You either rely on rankings or you don't. You cannot just decide one is overrated when it supports you. Johnson also lost after beating a prone Jones and Tarver, same as Baldomir.

3 years ago is 3 years ago. He has lost since then to Woods, an good fighter but not an elite one. We don't rate fighters on what they did 3 years ago. If Johnson cannot even beat Woods, then he is not a top caliber fighter. Dawson beat Adamek, he doesn't need Johnson.

Solis nor Larios were rated by Ring in Pacman's weight class when he fought them.

Pac was not rated either at 126 when Pac Dominated Barrera.

Woods winning by SD is just like a draw or win for Johnson. You didn't get the point. Dawson won't get P4P points with a Mendoza win. end of the story.

[kg0208]

Pac was not rated either at 126 when Pac Dominated Barrera.

Woods winning by SD is just like a draw or win for Johnson. You didn't get the point. Dawson won't get P4P points with a Mendoza win. end of the story.
You don't get the point. He doesn't NEED Mendoza, he is already being considered. If people in front of him lose, and he shows up great, he can get in.

A SD is not a win or a draw for Johnson. It's a loss. Or do you consider a draw a win or a loss too? That makes no sense at all.

And who cares if Pacman wasn't rated at 126 when he fought Barrera. Pacman was a champion coming up to fight for someone elses title. Larios and Solis were not. Apples and Oranges. They are not equal scenarios. The point is, you said they were rated and they weren't. Larios was 2 weight classes down, and Solis wasn't rated at all, so the statement is false. Bring up Pacman has nothing to do with what you said. We aren't talking about his ranking.

[PacDbest]

You don't get the point. He doesn't NEED Mendoza, he is already being considered. If people in front of him lose, and he shows up great, he can get in.

A SD is not a win or a draw for Johnson. It's a loss. Or do you consider a draw a win or a loss too? That makes no sense at all.

And who cares if Pacman wasn't rated at 126 when he fought Barrera. Pacman was a champion coming up to fight for someone elses title. Larios and Solis were not. Apples and Oranges. They are not equal scenarios. The point is, you said they were rated and they weren't. Larios was 2 weight classes down, and Solis wasn't rated at all, so the statement is false. Bring up Pacman has nothing to do with what you said. We aren't talking about his ranking.

To be considered at the top of P4P, Either you beat a P4P guy or You Dominated your weight Class in at least 2 years. Is Adamek a P4P guy??? How long did Dawson had his title??? Did He fought any former top 10 P4P guys??? Dawson needs a Hopkins, Winky, RJJ or Tarver's name in his resume to be considered.

[DanePugilist]

I think its very ballsy of Dawson to face Mendoza. The others are in hiding of this great fighter(Dawson).

[kg0208]

To be considered at the top of P4P, Either you beat a P4P guy or You Dominated your weight Class in at least 2 years. Is Adamek a P4P guy??? How long did Dawson had his title??? Did He fought any former top 10 P4P guys??? Dawson needs a Hopkins, Winky, RJJ or Tarver's name in his resume to be considered.

Really? Cuz Cotto hasn't beaten a single P4P guy or even a fighter with a belt. He has not been the man in any division. Yet he is rated.

There are no criteria for being P4P. It depends on the fighter and what he has shown. Dawson is certainly considred, and while Adamek wasn't P4P (I had him at #10 when Dawson beat him) on many lists, he was certainly highly regarded.

The names you named off....only ONE of them is even close to viable. Hopkins. And he is nearly 43. How can you say "He needs to fight p4p guys" then name off Tarver, Jones, and Wright at LHW?

[iceman]

Let's Predict the top 10 P4P at the end of 2007. All the Big fight is set for the year. Let's predict what the Ring's P4P will give us after all fights are done.

Mine:

1. Pacquiao--- Impressive & Dominating win against MAB couple with...
2. PBF----another dissapointing show & failure to totally dominate Hatton.
3. Calzaghe---Schooling of Kessler
4. JMM--- Masterful performance against Juarez.
5. Cotto--- Close win against Mosley in a war.
6. Vasquez--Win against Rafa, might fight a tune-up within this year.
7. Pavlik---for destroying Taylor(which Bhop & Winky failed to do)
8. Bhop-- for having 1 boring win this year.
9. Rafa--- just for respect for fighting like a warrior.
10. Juan Diaz---Partially unifying 135. Welcome fat boy.

Sorry winky...ran out of spot.

I like this list,it will be hard to argue with the top 5 if your predictions are correct.
I'd put Wlad at #10

[PacDbest]

Your list is trashy. THrow it away.

let me see your list?

[PacDbest]

Really? Cuz Cotto hasn't beaten a single P4P guy or even a fighter with a belt. He has not been the man in any division. Yet he is rated.

There are no criteria for being P4P. It depends on the fighter and what he has shown. Dawson is certainly considred, and while Adamek wasn't P4P (I had him at #10 when Dawson beat him) on many lists, he was certainly highly regarded.

The names you named off....only ONE of them is even close to viable. Hopkins. And he is nearly 43. How can you say "He needs to fight p4p guys" then name off Tarver, Jones, and Wright at LHW?

You might as well Write your own Bible of Boxing, on your own boxing world.

[kg0208]

You might as well Write your own Bible of Boxing, on your own boxing world.
Kinda like you and your "vision" for Pacman and where he places on what he COULD do?

Do you dispute that Cotto hasn't beaten a P4P fighter or a champion with a belt?

Do you dispute that Jones isn't old, that Tarver isn't old, and that Wright isn't a LHW?

[kg0208]

You want to rate fighters on excitement, what they could do instead of what's done, and nationality, go right on ahead. Stop getting upset when others don't.

[PacDbest]

Kinda like you and your "vision" for Pacman and where he places on what he COULD do?

Do you dispute that Cotto hasn't beaten a P4P fighter or a champion with a belt?

Do you dispute that Jones isn't old, that Tarver isn't old, and that Wright isn't a LHW?

Cotto was Depending his title for more than 2 years against undefeated Prime guys, one is already a title holder. He destroys his opponent too. Detroying foes has more points than UD or SD wins.

RJJ, Tarver, Winky are all old but you still have fight them to prove a point. Like DLH did to Chavez, EM to Zaragoza, Pac to EM & MAB(Thou they are not really old).

[kg0208]

Cotto was Depending his title for more than 2 years against undefeated Prime guys, one is already a title holder. He destroys his opponent too. Detroying foes has more points than UD or SD wins.

RJJ, Tarver, Winky are all old but you still have fight them to prove a point. Like DLH did to Chavez, EM to Zaragoza, Pac to EM & MAB(Thou they are not really old).
You don't have to fight fighters who are old to prove a point. You fight GOOD fighters, not name fighters.

You never said defend a title. You said:

To be considered at the top of P4P, Either you beat a P4P guy or You Dominated your weight Class in at least 2 years.
Dominating a weight class means cleaning out the contenders, fighting other champions. He didn't. That word can't just mean anything you like.

As for your KO's mean more than UD and SD? SD's yes....UD's, nope.

If this is your position, you position all great KO fighters over Boxers who have little power, but win all the time. That's fine for you. Luckily, while KO's make you more exciting most of the time, they don't make you the better fighter, and most of the boxing world gets that.

[DanePugilist]

PacDBest you are digging a hole for yourself that keeps getting deeper and deeper. Take a paus from the keyboard and come back tomorrow. I am sure you will then see that KG writes the truth in this matter.

[PacDbest]

You don't have to fight fighters who are old to prove a point. You fight GOOD fighters, not name fighters.

You never said defend a title. You said:


Dominating a weight class means cleaning out the contenders, fighting other champions. He didn't. That word can't just mean anything you like.

As for your KO's mean more than UD and SD? SD's yes....UD's, nope.

If this is your position, you position all great KO fighters over Boxers who have little power, but win all the time. That's fine for you. Luckily, while KO's make you more exciting most of the time, they don't make you the better fighter, and most of the boxing world gets that.

Who fought the toughest fight at welterweight in the last 2 years???

[PacDbest]

PacDBest you are digging a hole for yourself that keeps getting deeper and deeper. Take a paus from the keyboard and come back tomorrow. I am sure you will then see that KG writes the truth in this matter.

I've proven him wrong many times in this board. Everytime I cornered him, he'll write his own book of boxing to win his argument.

[kg0208]

I've proven him wrong many times in this board. Everytime I cornered him, he'll write his own book of boxing to win his argument.
You have never cornered me PacD. What you call cornering is you arguing points (like now) that have nothing to do with what you originally said.

You think because I can't prove Pacman CAN'T do something, it means he can. You never actually prove he CAN yourself. You're like someone who believes in a religion. You don't care about proof, just faith, and since no one can prove it won't work, you think you've won.

If you have proven me wrong so often, how come no one else (besides your buddies who back anything you say) can see it?

Name one PacD. That open debate is still on the table BTW.

[kg0208]

Who fought the toughest fight at welterweight in the last 2 years???

Margarito vs Williams.

What does that have to do with anything?

[IntentionalButt]

Why not predict the top p4p at the end of 2013?

There are important contests yet to be decided. :nono

[PacDbest]

Margarito vs Williams.

What does that have to do with anything?

I mean who fought the toughest schedule in the last 2 years at welter???

[kg0208]

I mean who fought the toughest schedule in the last 2 years at welter???
Margarito.

Again, this has to do with what?

[IntentionalButt]

Margarito.

Again, this has to do with what?

The price of tea in Nanking.

[kg0208]

The price of tea in Nanking.

I think...and this is a guess, he is still pursuing the Cotto point.

[DanePugilist]

I think...and this is a guess, he is still pursuing the Cotto point.Personally I think its a tossup of toughest comp over the last 2 years between Margo and Cotto.

Still I fail to see if that should prove his point vs Dawson rightful place in the top 10(imho).

[kg0208]

Personally I think its a tossup of toughest comp over the last 2 years between Margo and Cotto.

Still I fail to see if that should prove his point vs Dawson rightful place in the top 10(imho).
Cotto as only been there less than a year. Cotto fought Judah, Urkal, and Quintana.

Margarito since 2005 has fought Cintron, Williams, Gomez, and Clottey. I would favor everyone of those fighters over Judah, except Gomez. But thats just me.

[DanePugilist]

Cotto as only been there less than a year. Cotto fought Judah, Urkal, and Quintana.

Margarito since 2005 has fought Cintron, Williams, Gomez, and Clottey. I would favor everyone of those fighters over Judah, except Gomez. But thats just me.No, you are right - I thought for a minute that Malinaggi was at Welter - my bad. Judah is not the key player he once was. Cintron however, was considered to definitive threat, and has handled the loss quite well. I would still want to see more of Clottey to make a sound judgment on him.

However, having said this, I do think that only in hindsight that Quintana doesn't seem to be as great a win, as it seemed then.

[kg0208]

No, you are right - I thought for a minute that Malinaggi was at Welter - my bad. Judah is not the key player he once was. Cintron however, was considered to definitive threat, and has handled the loss quite well. I would still want to see more of Clottey to make a sound judgment on him.

However, having said this, I do think that only in hindsight that Quintana doesn't seem to be as great a win, as it seemed then.

Quintana was a good win, and I would say Cotto's best win at WW as I would take him to actually beat Judah. But few would agree with me. He was however a prospect who had only gotten big because he had defeated soundly another prospect, who was regarded as the best prospect at any weight class at the time. In hindsight, Julio is very flawed, and Quintana may have been rushed.

[DanePugilist]

Quintana was a good win, and I would say Cotto's best win at WW as I would take him to actually beat Judah. But few would agree with me. He was however a prospect who had only gotten big because he had defeated soundly another prospect, who was regarded as the best prospect at any weight class at the time. In hindsight, Julio is very flawed, and Quintana may have been rushed.Good assesment as always, kg. As you say, in hindsight, Quintana may have been rushed, but I didn't feel that then. Nothing indicated to me he wasn't ready for it - then again - I was wrong.

Quintana could beat Judah, if he handles the loss well(shakes it off). Judah is done at top lvl to me. He doesn't evolve, or correct his errors(improve his mental ability, and stamina, and energy consumption).

[PacDbest]

Let's Predict the top 10 P4P at the end of 2007. All the Big fight is set for the year. Let's predict what the Ring's P4P will give us after all fights are done.

Mine:

1. Pacquiao--- Impressive & Dominating win against MAB couple with...
2. PBF----another dissapointing show & failure to totally dominate Hatton.
3. Calzaghe---Schooling of Kessler
4. JMM--- Masterful performance against Juarez.
5. Cotto--- Close win against Mosley in a war.
6. Vasquez--Win against Rafa, might fight a tune-up within this year.
7. Pavlik---for destroying Taylor(which Bhop & Winky failed to do)
8. Bhop-- for having 1 boring win this year.
9. Rafa--- just for respect for fighting like a warrior.
10. Juan Diaz---Partially unifying 135. Welcome fat boy.

Sorry winky...ran out of spot.

One prediction down. More to go. Let's see next week???

[letsrun4it]

I don't care if pacman KO1 MAB...AND mayweather SD hatton....mayweather is the p4p king. you can only lose it imo if you fight weak opposition or lose

[PacDbest]

Let's Predict the top 10 P4P at the end of 2007. All the Big fight is set for the year. Let's predict what the Ring's P4P will give us after all fights are done.

Mine:

1. Pacquiao--- Impressive & Dominating win against MAB couple with...
2. PBF----another dissapointing show & failure to totally dominate Hatton.
3. Calzaghe---Schooling of Kessler
4. JMM--- Masterful performance against Juarez.
5. Cotto--- Close win against Mosley in a war.
6. Vasquez--Win against Rafa, might fight a tune-up within this year.
7. Pavlik---for destroying Taylor(which Bhop & Winky failed to do)
8. Bhop-- for having 1 boring win this year.
9. Rafa--- just for respect for fighting like a warrior.
10. Juan Diaz---Partially unifying 135. Welcome fat boy.

Sorry winky...ran out of spot.

Lets update my Prediction so Far: So far so good...Lets see after Dec 8th!!!

[Haye]

2. Pacquaio - should beat MAB although it's by no means a sure thing with his hectic schedule.

3. Taylor - dispatching Pavlik pretty easily before moving up to SMW



WTF?

Are you a month behind in new zealand or sumfin?:huh

[MrStayman]

2. Pacquaio - should beat MAB although it's by no means a sure thing with his hectic schedule.

3. Taylor - dispatching Pavlik pretty easily before moving up to SMW



WTF?

Are you a month behind in new zealand or sumfin?:huhBlockhead made this post before the Taylor/Pavlik fight

[maciek4]

Money Mayweather
Manny Pac
Joel Casamayor
Joe Calzaghe
Ricky Hatton
JMM
Cotto
B-Hops
Kelly Pavlik
Wright

You were saying that Sugar Shane is going to whoop Cotto but you dont have him in top 10.

Joel Casamayor??:huh

[Wige247]

1. PBF - No one has what it takes to beat him & beats Hatton
2. Pac - Speed, power, aggressiveness
3. Calzaghe - Too fast & too elusive to be beaten by someone who's not faster & beats Kessler
4. Cotto - Won't get KO'd & his punishing shots debilitate anyone not crafty enough to get out of his way & beats Mosely
5. JMM - Power, skill, & ring smarts
6. Hopkins - Too focused, conditioned, & smart to be beaten by anyone but the best
7. Winky - His defense is only going to get beaten by someone who's too strong or too fast
8. Juan Diaz - He's Cotto w/ more punches but less power. You can't keep him off you.
9. Shane Mosely? Ricky Hatton?
10. Chad Dawson? Kessler? Vazquez?

[PacDbest]

Let's Predict the top 10 P4P at the end of 2007. All the Big fight is set for the year. Let's predict what the Ring's P4P will give us after all fights are done.

Mine:

1. Pacquiao--- Impressive & Dominating win against MAB couple with...
2. PBF----another dissapointing show & failure to totally dominate Hatton.
3. Calzaghe---Schooling of Kessler
4. JMM--- Masterful performance against Juarez.
5. Cotto--- Close win against Mosley in a war.
6. Vasquez--Win against Rafa, might fight a tune-up within this year.
7. Pavlik---for destroying Taylor(which Bhop & Winky failed to do)
8. Bhop-- for having 1 boring win this year.
9. Rafa--- just for respect for fighting like a warrior.
10. Juan Diaz---Partially unifying 135. Welcome fat boy.

Sorry winky...ran out of spot.


I posted this in May, Look how good are my Predictions so far. Let's see If I'll be right again with Cotto next week. 5 out 5 so far in the incoming fight.

[yesihavearm]

I posted this in May, Look how good are my Predictions so far. Let's see If I'll be right again with Cotto next week. 5 out 5 so far in the incoming fight.

Well done PacDbest.

I think that Calzaghe would move above PBF if Calzaghe beats Hopkins but PBF only just beats Hatton.

Would you agree ?

[PacDbest]

1. PBF - can't lose your title if you don't lose when fighting another P4P Top 10er.

2. Pacquaio - should beat MAB although it's by no means a sure thing with his hectic schedule.

3. Taylor - dispatching Pavlik pretty easily before moving up to SMW

4. Calzaghe - schooling Kessler without much effort

5. Cotto - beating Mosley in a great fight - FOTY potential

6. Bernard Hopkins - inactivity costing him a few spots but a solid win over Winky

7. Vazquez

8. Mijares

9. Hatton - beaten by the best but still worth his place

10. JMM - win over Juarez puts him in

Way wrong on Taylor, you under rate JMM too much.

[Max Molyneux]

Calzaghe
PBF
















1000, Pacquiao

[hmi]

I posted this in May, Look how good are my Predictions so far. Let's see If I'll be right again with Cotto next week. 5 out 5 so far in the incoming fight.
Good for you. Get it all and you will get a lot of respect. Just make sure to tone down your cheers for Pacman. You're ruining your credibility because of it. Remember that too much of anything is harmful to you. That includes too much of Pacman for you. Lighten up with Pacman, will you?

[PacDbest]

Well done PacDbest.

I think that Calzaghe would move above PBF if Calzaghe beats Hopkins but PBF only just beats Hatton.

Would you agree ?

I already put Calzaghe as my P4P #2 next to Pac. I may not be 100% on the rankings but on the Fight results I'm almost 100% so far.

[lillarry]

Good for you. Get it all and you will get a lot of respect. Just make sure to tone down your cheers for Pacman. You're ruining your credibility because of it. Remember that too much of anything is harmful to you. That includes too much of Pacman for you. Lighten up with Pacman, will you?

Dude he has no credibility on this board:rofl

Nobody in their right mind would put Pac P4P number one

[PacDbest]

1. Mayweather
2. Pacquiao
3. Calzaghe
4. Vazquez
5. Cotto
6. JMM
7. Dawson
8. Pavlik
9. Calderon
10. Juan Diaz

I don't think Dawson & Calderon will ever be mentioned by Rings in their P4P rating at the end of the year.

[Asterion]

1. Mayweather
2. Pacquiao
3. Cotto
4. Calzaghe
5. JJ Marquez
6. Hopkins
7. Vasquez
8. Juan Diaz
9. Pavlik
10. Wright

[hmi]

Dude he has no credibility on this board:rofl

Nobody in their right mind would put Pac P4P number one
That's why I'm telling him to lighten up on Pacman. Without his threads about Pacman, he has good fight predictions. Though I'm not saying that what he says about Pacman are not true. It's just that he talks about Pacman excessively that he ends up becoming the boy who cried wolf. He might be telling the truth but he says it too often that nobody wants to listen to him anymore.

[PacDbest]

1 - Mayweather
2 - Pacquaio
3 - Kessler
4 - Mosley
5 - Taylor
6 - Hopkins
7 - Marquez
8 - Vasquez
9 - Diaz
10 - Hatton

Taylor & Kessler is out.

[lillarry]

1. Mayweather
2. Calzaghe
3. B-hop
4. Pac
5. JMM
6. Vaquez
7. Kelly Pavlik
8. Winky Wright
9. Juan Diaz
10. Paul Williams

[PacDbest]

1. Mayweather
2. Pacquaio
3. Calzaghe
4. Miguel Cotto
5. Cristian Mijares
6. Juan Manuel Marquez
7. Chad Dawson
8. Israel Vasquez
9. Joan Guzman
10. Ivan Calderon

Hopkins and Wright are out, Taylor will be KTFO and that will put them into perspective. Mijares schooled his divisions number 2 horrifically in Jorge Arce and showcased immense talent.

Calderon deserves a top spot now, but number 10. Guzman will beat Soto, Vasquez sealed his spot with his victory and if Dawson dominates Diaconu, he will easily deserve a spot, that will be Adamek and Diaconu dominated for 2007.

Hatton gets DESTROYED against Floyd, knocking him out by the end of 2007.

Mijares, Dawson & Calderon won't be there at the end of the year. Wanna Bet???

[PacDbest]

That's why I'm telling him to lighten up on Pacman. Without his threads about Pacman, he has good fight predictions. Though I'm not saying that what he says about Pacman are not true. It's just that he talks about Pacman excessively that he ends up becoming the boy who cried wolf. He might be telling the truth but he says it too often that nobody wants to listen to him anymore.

I don't even mentioned Pac yet today.

[Raden]

Let's Predict the top 10 P4P at the end of 2007. All the Big fight is set for the year. Let's predict what the Ring's P4P will give us after all fights are done.

Mine:

1. Pacquiao--- Impressive & Dominating win against MAB couple with...
2. PBF----another dissapointing show & failure to totally dominate Hatton.
3. Calzaghe---Schooling of Kessler
4. JMM--- Masterful performance against Juarez.
5. Cotto--- Close win against Mosley in a war.
6. Vasquez--Win against Rafa, might fight a tune-up within this year.
7. Pavlik---for destroying Taylor(which Bhop & Winky failed to do)
8. Bhop-- for having 1 boring win this year.
9. Rafa--- just for respect for fighting like a warrior.
10. Juan Diaz---Partially unifying 135. Welcome fat boy.

Sorry winky...ran out of spot.And why Hatton is not in the list if he pulls the upset over PBF? I don't see Cotto will win over Mosley..

[PacDbest]

And why Hatton is not in the list if he pulls the upset over PBF? I don't see Cotto will win over Mosley..

Because he's not gonna win. I don't like Floyd myself & I want him out of #1 but still I don't see that special tools for Hatton to beat Floyd. Hatton's too short & not fast enough to catch Floyd.

[PacDbest]

1. PBF
2. PAC
3. B-HOPS
4. JMM
5. Israel Vazquez
6. Taylor
7. SSM
8. Kessler
9. Wright
10. Dawson

Taylor & Kessler out. SSM maybe out too Next week.

[PacDbest]

1. Mayweather
2.Hopkins
3.Pacquiao
4.JMMarquez
5.Cotto
6.Pavlik
7.Vazquez
8.Wright
9.RMarquez
10.Kessler
wait and see

Wait is over.... Kessler out.

[PacDbest]

1) Kessler
2) Hatton
3) Cotto
4) Pacman
5) Pavlik
6) Vasquez
7) Mijares
8) Juarez
9) Dawson
10) Floyd

This is the worst so far..:yep

[PacDbest]

Let's Predict the top 10 P4P at the end of 2007. All the Big fight is set for the year. Let's predict what the Ring's P4P will give us after all fights are done.

Mine:

1. Pacquiao--- Impressive & Dominating win against MAB couple with...
2. PBF----another dissapointing show & failure to totally dominate Hatton.
3. Calzaghe---Schooling of Kessler
4. JMM--- Masterful performance against Juarez.
5. Cotto--- Close win against Mosley in a war.
6. Vasquez--Win against Rafa, might fight a tune-up within this year.
7. Pavlik---for destroying Taylor(which Bhop & Winky failed to do)
8. Bhop-- for having 1 boring win this year.
9. Rafa--- just for respect for fighting like a warrior.
10. Juan Diaz---Partially unifying 135. Welcome fat boy.

Sorry winky...ran out of spot.

My prediction since August is still on spot. Just look how I describe on how they going to win. One more to go on December 8th.

[PacDbest]

Kessler messed up this list but there's no regrets of putting Kessler on that 10th spot...

I think this list will be close to Ring Magazine's list at the end of the year except for the obvious wrong prediction on the 10th spot... :lol:

Did you read my Cotto-Mosley Prediction???

[PacDbest]

And why Hatton is not in the list if he pulls the upset over PBF? I don't see Cotto will win over Mosley..

Eat you words buddy. I told you so Hatton's out, Mosley's out.

[PacDbest]

Let's Predict the top 10 P4P at the end of 2007. All the Big fight is set for the year. Let's predict what the Ring's P4P will give us after all fights are done.

Mine:

1. Pacquiao--- Impressive & Dominating win against MAB couple with...
2. PBF----another dissapointing show & failure to totally dominate Hatton.
3. Calzaghe---Schooling of Kessler
4. JMM--- Masterful performance against Juarez.
5. Cotto--- Close win against Mosley in a war.
6. Vasquez--Win against Rafa, might fight a tune-up within this year.
7. Pavlik---for destroying Taylor(which Bhop & Winky failed to do)
8. Bhop-- for having 1 boring win this year.
9. Rafa--- just for respect for fighting like a warrior.
10. Juan Diaz---Partially unifying 135. Welcome fat boy.

Sorry winky...ran out of spot.

Let's update my P4P Predictions on the Superfights. Perfecto :happy !!!!!

Since PBF wins impressively, I won't mind moving him up at #1. Once Pac dominates current top 5 P4P JMM in March, He'll be back at #1.

I can take out Rafa on my P4P top 10, just don't put Winky on it(He didn't do anything this year). Guzman has the case but still prefers Rafa to stay instead of him. Any suggestion??? Ok I just keep it like that.:happy


Who else gets the perfect score????

[kg0208]

Let's update my P4P Predictions on the Superfights. Perfecto :happy !!!!!

Since PBF wins impressively, I won't mind moving him up at #1. Once Pac dominates current top 5 P4P JMM in March, He'll be back at #1.

I can take out Rafa on my P4P top 10, just don't put Winky on it(He didn't do anything this year). Guzman has the case but still prefers Rafa to stay instead of him. Any suggestion??? Ok I just keep it like that.:happy


Who else gets the perfect score????

Lots of people picked all those fights correctly (look at prediction threads) including myself. But PBF is #1 and will be no matter what Pacquiao does with JMM, and a case can be made that Calzaghe is #2 since his win over Kessler was more dominant and against a better prime champion than MAB.

[PacDbest]

At the end of 2007, here's my prediction of what my P4P list will look like...

1. Floyd Mayweather, Jr.
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Joe Calzaghe
4. Bernard Hopkins
5. Juan Manuel Marquez
6. Miguel Cotto
7. Israel Vazquez
8. Ivan Calderon
9. Kelly Pavlik
10. Rafael Marquez

Outside Looking In
Ricky Hatton
Winky Wright

You did good too. I just don't think Calderon will be there. no mentioned of Juan Diaz???

[PacDbest]

1. Mayweather
2. Pacquiao
3. Calzaghe
4. Vazquez
5. Cotto
6. JMM
7. Dawson
8. Pavlik
9. Calderon
10. Juan Diaz

Here's how you do KG. Not Bad. Explain why Dawson & Calderon instead of Bhop & Rafa????

[PacDbest]

1. Mayweather
2. Pacquaio
3. Calzaghe
4. Miguel Cotto
5. Cristian Mijares
6. Juan Manuel Marquez
7. Chad Dawson
8. Israel Vasquez
9. Joan Guzman
10. Ivan Calderon

Hopkins and Wright are out, Taylor will be KTFO and that will put them into perspective. Mijares schooled his divisions number 2 horrifically in Jorge Arce and showcased immense talent.

Calderon deserves a top spot now, but number 10. Guzman will beat Soto, Vasquez sealed his spot with his victory and if Dawson dominates Diaconu, he will easily deserve a spot, that will be Adamek and Diaconu dominated for 2007.

Hatton gets DESTROYED against Floyd, knocking him out by the end of 2007.

Props for your predictions on Guzrun & Floyd. Just don't put too much of your Supernaturals on your top 10.:good

Mijares, Dawson & Calderon won't be P4P at the end of the year. You can't be P4P if your fighting B & C quality Fighters. You might be lucky with Guzrun, he might be mentioned by the Rings.:hi:

[kg0208]

Here's how you do KG. Not Bad. Explain why Dawson & Calderon instead of Bhop & Rafa????
Because Hopkins only win is over Wright who I also don't rank at least 2 weight classes over his fighting weight. And Wright himself is old.

Rafael Marquez just got KO'd. Dawson and Calderon are both unbeaten, Calderon being a 2 division champion who should have been ranked a while ago. Dawson is an up and comer with great skills who I feel is the best LHW in the world. He was supposed to fight Diaconu, but the fight fell through.

Calderon isn't fighting B and C class fighters. He certainly beat the best 108lb fighter this year.

[PacDbest]

Because Hopkins only win is over Wright who I also don't rank at least 2 weight classes over his fighting weight. And Wright himself is old.

Rafael Marquez just got KO'd. Dawson and Calderon are both unbeaten, Calderon being a 2 division champion who should have been ranked a while ago. Dawson is an up and comer with great skills who I feel is the best LHW in the world. He was supposed to fight Diaconu, but the fight fell through.

Calderon isn't fighting B and C class fighters. He certainly beat the best 108lb fighter this year.

Call the Rings, you might have the case. But I don't think so...

I agree with Rafa... you could take him out of the top 10. But can't find a more deserving one. I want to give it to Guzrun but I don't like to reward a Runner.

[kg0208]

Call the Rings, you might have the case. But I don't think so...

I agree with Rafa... you could take him out of the top 10. But can't find a more deserving one. I want to give it to Guzrun but I don't like to reward a Runner.

I don't particularly care what Ring says. Neither do you apparently.

[Chert]

Lots of people picked all those fights correctly (look at prediction threads) including myself. But PBF is #1 and will be no matter what Pacquiao does with JMM, and a case can be made that Calzaghe is #2 since his win over Kessler was more dominant and against a better prime champion than MAB.
kessler is certainly an A-level fighter but he's not elite. that means calzaghe still doesn't have an elite level fighter in his resume yet. so, him getting #2 over pac is stetching it a bit. i will certainly put calzaghe above jmm but still under hopkins.

1) pbf
2) pac
3) hopkins
4) calzaghe
5) jmm
6) cotto
7) pavlik
8) izzy vasquez
9) winky
10) rafa marquez
11) juan diaz
12) joan guzman

[kg0208]

kessler is certainly an A-level fighter but he's not elite. that means calzaghe still doesn't have an elite level fighter in his resume yet. so, him getting #2 over pac is stetching it a bit. i will certainly put calzaghe above jmm but still under hopkins.

1) pbf
2) pac
3) hopkins
4) calzaghe
5) jmm
6) cotto
7) pavlik
8) izzy vasquez
9) winky
10) rafa marquez
11) juan diaz
12) joan guzman

Kessler was a better fighter than a badly faded Morales AND MAB.

[Chert]

Kessler was a better fighter than a badly faded Morales AND MAB.
pac KO'd a prime mab in 2003 and morales was still a top 5-7 p4p fighter when pac KO'd him in the second fight. sasakul was an elite fighter when pac KOed him. and ledwaba was an A-level (almost elite) fighter when pac KOed him too.

[kg0208]

pac fought a prime mab in 2003 and morales was still a top 5-7 p4p fighter when pac defeated him in the second fight.

No, Morales was unrated when Pacquiao beat him in the 2nd fight. He had just lost decisively to the unknown Raheem.

MAB IMO was not prime when Pacquiao beat him, but still and elite fighter. I have gone over this many times, but I still give Pacquiao immense credit for the win. But that was 4 years ago. In the past 2 years, Pacquiao has not fought a top level prime fighter for my money.

[tragicliston]

2. PBF----another dissapointing show & failure to totally dominate Hatton.



:lol:

[BIGTIMETIMMY]

1.PBF
2.Pac (I fuckin Hate Him)
3.Hopkins
4.Calzaghe
5.Pavlik
6.Cotto
7.Vaquez
8.RMM
9.JMM
10.Wlad ( Yes I put a Heavy in there because he beats everyone with ease)

[Chert]

No, Morales was unrated when Pacquiao beat him in the 2nd fight. He had just lost decisively to the unknown Raheem.

MAB IMO was not prime when Pacquiao beat him, but still and elite fighter. I have gone over this many times, but I still give Pacquiao immense credit for the win. But that was 4 years ago. In the past 2 years, Pacquiao has not fought a top level prime fighter for my money.

morales was certainly in the top 10 p4p during that time. everyone treated the raheem fight as a fluke. and morales was certainly still an elite fighter at the time of the second fight w/ pac.

[kg0208]

morales was certainly in the top 10 p4p during that time. everyone treated the raheem fight as a fluke. and morales was certainly still an elite fighter at the time of the second fight w/ pac.

I don't believe he was rated at all. No one thought it was a fluke. He looked old, slow, no legs.

And I don't think he was an elite fighter at all at that point. It has and will always be my opinion of that version of Morales. I don't think he was still elite when he beat Pacquiao or when he lost to MAB the 2nd time.

[PacDbest]

I don't believe he was rated at all. No one thought it was a fluke. He looked old, slow, no legs.

And I don't think he was an elite fighter at all at that point. It has and will always be my opinion of that version of Morales. I don't think he was still elite when he beat Pacquiao or when he lost to MAB the 2nd time.

Chert is right. EM still in the top 10 after Raheem. When he beat Pac, he was moved up to top 5, after Raheem down to 7 or 9th, everybody thinks Raheem loss is a Fluke.

[ripcity]

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Joe Calzaghe
4. Juan Diaz
5. Kelly Pavlik
6. Miguel Cotto
7. Ricky Hatton
8. Israel Vazquez
9. Rafael Marquez
10. Bernard Hopkins

[kg0208]

Chert is right. EM still in the top 10 after Raheem. When he beat Pac, he was moved up to top 5, after Raheem down to 7 or 9th, everybody thinks Raheem loss is a Fluke.
No one thought that loss was a fluke. Perhaps Pacquiao fans like to think that NOW.

I have seen nothing to substantiate that. Morales had not been top 5 since before 2000 so I know that is false.

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And he was unrated in 2006. The question is, when were the rankings made that are listed here.

[PacDbest]

No one thought that loss was a fluke. Perhaps Pacquiao fans like to think that NOW.

I have seen nothing to substantiate that. Morales had not been top 5 since before 2000 so I know that is false.

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

And he was unrated in 2006. The question is, when were the rankings made that are listed here.

That 2006 ratings were made after Pac Koed Morales twice already. Go find the one after Raheem fight.

[Chert]

i think those were year-end p4p rankings.

i recall that before the first erik-pac fight, pac was @ #5 while erik #7. then after that, erik went up to #5 and pac fell to #7. after the raheem fight, erik fell to no. 7-8, pac was about #6 at that time. erik was out of the top 10 by the end of 2006 after pac KO'd him in the second fight. it was during the third fight that erik wasn't definitely in the top 10 p4p.

[PacDbest]

No one thought that loss was a fluke. Perhaps Pacquiao fans like to think that NOW.

I have seen nothing to substantiate that. Morales had not been top 5 since before 2000 so I know that is false.

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

And he was unrated in 2006. The question is, when were the rankings made that are listed here.

Look at the end of 2005, Morales was #6.

Rings 2005 P4P:


Floyd Mayweather, Jr. ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Ronald (Winky) Wright ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Marco Antonio Barrera ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Ricky Hatton ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Manny Pacquiao ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Erik Morales ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Juan Manuel Marquez ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Rafael Marquez ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Jose Luis Castillo ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Zab Judah ([Only registered and activated users can see links])Pac koed EM in Jan 2006, EM as a top 6 P4P. Thanks for the link KG, you Proved yourself wrong.

[Popshots]

Let's Predict the top 10 P4P at the end of 2007. All the Big fight is set for the year. Let's predict what the Ring's P4P will give us after all fights are done.

Mine:

1. Pacquiao--- Impressive & Dominating win against MAB couple with...
2. PBF----another dissapointing show & failure to totally dominate Hatton.
3. Calzaghe---Schooling of Kessler
4. JMM--- Masterful performance against Juarez.
5. Cotto--- Close win against Mosley in a war.
6. Vasquez--Win against Rafa, might fight a tune-up within this year.
7. Pavlik---for destroying Taylor(which Bhop & Winky failed to do)
8. Bhop-- for having 1 boring win this year.
9. Rafa--- just for respect for fighting like a warrior.
10. Juan Diaz---Partially unifying 135. Welcome fat boy.



Sorry winky...ran out of spot.

You're an idiot. Pac over PBF he closed the show what else can you ask for. PBF was setting this guy up, if you knew anything about boxing you'd know that Floyd never starts early, but turns up the heat in the later rounds. Secondly, how can you not have John Ruiz in your top 5 :D

[PacDbest]

i think those were year-end p4p rankings.

i recall that before the first erik-pac fight, pac was @ #5 while erik #7. then after that, erik went up to #5 and pac fell to #7. after the raheem fight, erik fell to no. 7-8, pac was about #6 at that time. erik was out of the top 10 by the end of 2006 after pac KO'd him in the second fight.

That's true, 2007 in not made yet. It only means this is a End of the year Ratings.

Now it's fact KG is wrong.

[PacDbest]

You're an idiot. Pac over PBF he closed the show what else can you ask for. PBF was setting this guy up, if you knew anything about boxing you'd know that Floyd never starts early, but turns up the heat in the later rounds. Secondly, how can you not have John Ruiz in your top 5 :D

Bro, that's my Predictions 5 months ago. I already said it in the previous page that I put PBF at #1 because of his impressive performance. I Pick Floyd to win, I just don't expect him to Ko Hatton.

[kg0208]

That 2006 ratings were made after Pac Koed Morales twice already. Go find the one after Raheem fight.

Ummm...He lost to Raheem at the end of 2005. So the 2006 rankings would be for that as well.

[kg0208]

Look at the end of 2005, Morales was #6.

Rings 2005 P4P:
Floyd Mayweather, Jr. ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Ronald (Winky) Wright ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Marco Antonio Barrera ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Ricky Hatton ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Manny Pacquiao ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Erik Morales ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Juan Manuel Marquez ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Rafael Marquez ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Jose Luis Castillo ([Only registered and activated users can see links])
Zab Judah ([Only registered and activated users can see links])Pac koed EM in Jan 2006, EM as a top 6 P4P. Thanks for the link KG, you Proved yourself wrong.
And Raheem beat him at the end of 2005....so that proves nothing. Your limitations on logic astound me. It DOES prove that you were wrong in saying Morales was top 5. He wasn't since before 2000.

[kg0208]

That's true, 2007 in not made yet. It only means this is a End of the year Ratings.

Now it's fact KG is wrong.

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Sorry PacD, but thats not true.

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

As you can see, many of the rankings are not listed here. And if you go through all the rankings on that site, it's random. So that doesn't really prove much of anything.

[Chert]

Ummm...He lost to Raheem at the end of 2005. So the 2006 rankings would be for that as well.

hmm... the raheem fight was Sept. 2005. but Ring in its year-end 2005 p4p rankings still lists erik @ #6. so, that means even Ring treated the raheem fight as a fluke.

[kg0208]

hmm... the raheem fight was Sept. 2005. but Ring in its year-end 2005 p4p rankings still lists erik @ #6. so, that means even Ring treated the raheem fight as a fluke.
That's IF those are year end rankings. Saying that they don't list the 2007 rankings proves that simply isn't true seeing as how they are missing rankings throughout that site. Both 1997 and 1991 are missing.

Why would they see it as a fluke? What is the reasoning behind you believing that? He was dominated, and it was his 2nd loss in his last 3 fights. If I am wrong, I don't mind saying I'm wrong, but I want more than just hunches as proof.

And Morales being rated BTW, doesn't mean he was still an elite prime fighter....Hopkins is rated now and he is no where NEAR prime.

[kg0208]

I found the ratings and you were correct, he was still rated #6 before and after the fight by Ring. He was not top 5 at any point. So I was wrong there.

I don't feel I am wrong about his not being an elite fighter any longer, since Ring has rated many fighters that are no longer prime or elite. But he was rated and you were correct there.

[PacDbest]

That's IF those are year end rankings. Saying that they don't list the 2007 rankings proves that simply isn't true seeing as how they are missing rankings throughout that site. Both 1997 and 1991 are missing.

Why would they see it as a fluke? What is the reasoning behind you believing that? He was dominated, and it was his 2nd loss in his last 3 fights. If I am wrong, I don't mind saying I'm wrong, but I want more than just hunches as proof.

And Morales being rated BTW, doesn't mean he was still an elite prime fighter....Hopkins is rated now and he is no where NEAR prime.

KG, you already showed me the evidence but still don't want to admit you are wrong?????:huh

[Chert]

That's IF those are year end rankings. Saying that they don't list the 2007 rankings proves that simply isn't true seeing as how they are missing rankings throughout that site. Both 1997 and 1991 are missing.

Why would they see it as a fluke? What is the reasoning behind you believing that? He was dominated, and it was his 2nd loss in his last 3 fights. If I am wrong, I don't mind saying I'm wrong, but I want more than just hunches as proof.

And Morales being rated BTW, if he was, doesn't mean he was still an elite prime fighter....Hopkins is rated now and he is no where NEAR prime.

well, calzaghe hasn't faced an elite, prime fighter ever. kessler is definitely prime but not elite. hopkins is still elite but not prime. morales being rated in the top 10 p4p during that time still makes him elite.

[PacDbest]

I found the ratings and you were correct, he was still rated #6 before and after the fight by Ring. He was not top 5 at any point. So I was wrong there.

I don't feel I am wrong about his not being an elite fighter any longer, since Ring has rated many fighters that are no longer prime or elite. But he was rated and you were correct there.

One of those Rare times KG admits he's wrong. Props KG!!!!:good

[kg0208]

well, calzaghe hasn't faced an elite, prime fighter ever. kessler is definitely prime but not elite. hopkins is still elite but not prime. morales being rated in the top 10 p4p during that time still makes him elite.

Not IMO it doesn't. Hopkins isn't elite to me. I don't go by Ring's ratings (I didn't bring them up in the first place) to determine who is elite. Hopkins is getting by on his reputation.

And Kessler was an elite level fighter IMO. Being in a weaker division didn't allow him to show his abilities.

[Chert]

I found the ratings and you were correct, he was still rated #6 before and after the fight by Ring. He was not top 5 at any point. So I was wrong there.

I don't feel I am wrong about his not being an elite fighter any longer, since Ring has rated many fighters that are no longer prime or elite. But he was rated and you were correct there.

so, that does mean that Ring treated the raheem fight as a fluke after alll...

[themainevent]

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr
2. Joe Calzaghe
3. Pacman
4. J. Diaz
5. M. Cotto
6. I. Vasquez
7. R. Marquez
8. C. Dawson
9. K. Pavlik
10. B. Hopkins

[kg0208]

One of those Rare times KG admits he's wrong. Props KG!!!!:good

I always admit I am wrong if there is proof PacD. Can you say ther same? (I know you can't my friend, as you have often simply changed the subject)

[kg0208]

so, that does mean that Ring treated the raheem fight as a fluke after alll...

Perhaps they did....but his subsequent fights proved it was not. Losing to Pacquiao sure, ok. David Diaz is an average fighter who only has a belt because it was stripped from someone else.

[PacDbest]

Not IMO it doesn't. Hopkins isn't elite to me. I don't go by Ring's ratings (I didn't bring them up in the first place) to determine who is elite. Hopkins is getting by on his reputation.

And Kessler was an elite level fighter IMO. Being in a weaker division didn't allow him to show his abilities.

Bhop not elite??? As I remembered you rate Winky as #2-5 before Bhop Schooled him.

[reed_man02]

Im still waiting for PacD or chert to explain how the Raheem fight was a fluke. I wont hold my breath though.

[kg0208]

Bhop not elite??? As I remembered you rate Winky as #2-5 before Bhop Schooled him.
And at 154-160...Wright was still a great fighter. He is nothing of the sort at LHW. He is too small and it showed in his conditioning. Wright is no longer that fighter though. You don't seem to think much of weight classes. It's the same reason why I give Hopkins very little credit for stopping DLH at MW. Those classes are there for a reason. Anyone who saw Wright at 170 knows he was not the same guy who fought Trinidad and Mosley. And for your information, I dropped Wright before he lost to Hopkins.

[PacDbest]

I always admit I am wrong if there is proof PacD. Can you say ther same? (I know you can't my friend, as you have often simply changed the subject)

I just said I was Wrong with saying PBF will not dominate Hatton. I said I was Wrong with Guzrun. I don't expect friendly debate when I joined here. I'm here to vent my thoughts & to Spread the Good Word about Pac. Now I enjoy Predicting & analysing fights too. It's good feeling to Prove one arrogant posters wrong, like underdog & Huki. I treat you KG, amsty & Huki as a Competitive rivals. I rather debate with you guys than those peahead haters.:good

[PacDbest]

And at 154-160...Wright was still a great fighter. He is nothing of the sort at LHW. He is too small and it showed in his conditioning. Wright is no longer that fighter though. You don't seem to think much of weight classes. It's the same reason why I give Hopkins very little credit for stopping DLH at MW. Those classes are there for a reason. Anyone who saw Wright at 170 knows he was not the same guy who fought Trinidad and Mosley. And for your information, I dropped Wright before he lost to Hopkins.

Then why give Credit to Floyd win against a Midget Hatton????:bbb

[Chert]

Im still waiting for PacD or chert to explain how the Raheem fight was a fluke. I wont hold my breath though.
well, it seems that the Ring and their ratings panel composed of many different boxing journalists treated that fight as a fluke too as evidence by their top 10 p4p rankings during that time.

[kg0208]

Then why give Credit to Floyd win against a Midget Hatton????:bbb

Hatton had fought and won a very close fight with a WW. He is not a true WW. Neither is PBF.

Wright is a small MW. Hopkins was always a huge MW who fought his first fight at LHW and always said he could easily make that weight. Hopkins is bigger than Jones who was a small LHW.

So to review, Wright is small MW fighting a LHW, that's 2 weight classes. PBF is not a true WW (he is outweighed by WW on fight night by a signifigant amount) and neither is Hatton.

[kg0208]

I just said I was Wrong with saying PBF will not dominate Hatton. I said I was Wrong with Guzrun. I don't expect friendly debate when I joined here. I'm here to vent my thoughts & to Spread the Good Word about Pac. Now I enjoy Predicting & analysing fights too. It's good feeling to Prove one arrogant posters wrong, like underdog & Huki. I treat you KG, amsty & Huki as a Competitive rivals. I rather debate with you guys than those peahead haters.:good

Spread whatever you wish, just stop insulting others legacy to do it.

And you didn't admit you were wrong with Guzman until pressed. You just insulted him (like just now) and said there were some miscalculations. After I called you on it, you admitted you were wrong.

[PacDbest]

Hatton had fought and won a very close fight with a WW. He is not a true WW. Neither is PBF.

Wright is a small MW. Hopkins was always a huge MW who fought his first fight at LHW and always said he could easily make that weight. Hopkins is bigger than Jones who was a small LHW.

So to review, Wright is small MW fighting a LHW, that's 2 weight classes. PBF is not a true WW (he is outweighed by WW on fight night by a signifigant amount) and neither is Hatton.

Then why no Props to a former Flyweight Champ who Koed 2 HOFamers at Feathers & Superfeatherweights????

[PacDbest]

Spread whatever you wish, just stop insulting others legacy to do it.

And you didn't admit you were wrong with Guzman until pressed. You just insulted him (like just now) and said there were some miscalculations. After I called you on it, you admitted you were wrong.

I give Props to Juan Diaz for dominating wins. I give Props to Floyd for Knocking out hatton. I give Props to Calzaghe for not running away even if he's way ahead in the scorecards. I said I'm considering Guzman at top 10 p4P but just don't like runners. I give Props if they deserve it.:hi:

[bumdujour]

Let's Predict the top 10 P4P at the end of 2007. All the Big fight is set for the year. Let's predict what the Ring's P4P will give us after all fights are done.

Mine:

1. Pacquiao--- Impressive & Dominating win against MAB couple with...
2. PBF----another dissapointing show & failure to totally dominate Hatton.
3. Calzaghe---Schooling of Kessler
4. JMM--- Masterful performance against Juarez.
5. Cotto--- Close win against Mosley in a war.
6. Vasquez--Win against Rafa, might fight a tune-up within this year.
7. Pavlik---for destroying Taylor(which Bhop & Winky failed to do)
8. Bhop-- for having 1 boring win this year.
9. Rafa--- just for respect for fighting like a warrior.
10. Juan Diaz---Partially unifying 135. Welcome fat boy.

Sorry winky...ran out of spot.


hey, always remember: PINOY STANDS FOR GAYBOY!!!!:yep

[kg0208]

I give Props to Juan Diaz for dominating wins. I give Props to Floyd for Knocking out hatton. I give Props to Calzaghe for not running away even if he's way ahead in the scorecards. I said I'm considering Guzman at top 10 p4P but just don't like runners. I give Props if they deserve it.:hi:

Props with caveats. Sounds like a backhanded compliment.

[kg0208]

Then why no Props to a former Flyweight Champ who Koed 2 HOFamers at Feathers & Superfeatherweights????
Different scenario. And I gave Pacquiao plenty of props for being a 112 champ at his age. I give him NO props for moving up in weight. He didn't move to 122 cuz he wanted a bigger challenge. He did so because he was a growing teen. His true weight as an adult is 122. I gave him props for beating MAB at 126 because he was moving up then for bigger challenges. He could have been at 122 for a couple of years.

[Chert]

actually, in morales and barrera, we're talking about two of the 5 greatest mexican fighters of all time.

[kg0208]

actually, in morales and barrera, we're talking about two of the 5 best mexican fighters of all time.

K...in their primes, which I have always, even before MAB fought Pacquiao, said was at 122.

And that's accomplishment wise of course, not H2H or talent wise.

[PacDbest]

hey, always remember: PINOY STANDS FOR GAYBOY!!!!:yep

These are the peaBrained guys I'm talking about.

[PacDbest]

Props with caveats. Sounds like a backhanded compliment.

I support entertaining Boxing. I love to see the Best fighting the best. Fighting means not surviving or Out pointing(If you like it this way, then just watch amateur boxing). No cowardice in my P4P lists.

[kg0208]

I support entertaining Boxing. I love to see the Best fighting the best. Fighting means not surviving or Out pointing(If you like it this way, then just watch amateur boxing). No cowardice in my P4P lists.

Support what you like. Boxing is more than just fighting. When you learn that, you will learn what "boxing" is. Till then, you will fall short as an analyst because you are biased against styles which you don't give credence too.

[Drew101]

1. Mayweather
2. Pacquiao
3. Calzaghe
4. Vazquez
5. Cotto
6. JMM
7. Dawson
8. Pavlik
9. Calderon
10. Juan Diaz

Sorry KG, don't think Dawson deserves a slot in the Top 10 just yet. Ademek was tough, and gritty, but not exactly p4p worthy; he'll need a couple of defenses against top quality opposition before he truly becomes worthy, imo.

Aside from that, not a bad list.

[kg0208]

Sorry KG, don't think Dawson deserves a slot in the Top 10 just yet. Ademek was tough, and gritty, but not exactly p4p worthy; he'll need a couple of defenses against top quality opposition before he truly becomes worthy, imo.

Aside from that, not a bad list.

This was assuming he had beaten Diaconu. Without that win, I wouldn't have put him in.

[Drew101]

This was assuming he had beaten Diaconu. Without that win, I wouldn't have put him in.

Fair enough.

[kg0208]

Fair enough.

Also my list is a 1/2 and 1/2 list. I include skill level and resume. I think Dawson is a highly skilled and the best LHW in the world (minority opinion, but I don't mind that).

[Sizzle]

1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Joe Calzaghe
3. Bernard Hopkins
4. Miguel Cotto
I think these four are a cut above the rest at the moment, then we have;
5. Manny Pacquiao
6. Wladimir Klitschko
7. Israel Vasquez
8. Kelly Pavlik
9. Juan Manuel Marquez
10. Ricky Hatton

I expect Guzman, Dawson, Donaire and possibly David Haye to break into these rankings pretty soon, and we may see Mosley and Winky Wright reappearing.

In fairness Ricky shouldn't be penalized too heavily for losing to the best fighter in the World fighting slightly above his natural weight.

Klitschko needs to be rewarded for complete dominance of his respective division since beating Samuel Peter, who I believe is ranked #1 by the Ring.

Hopkins has two wins against current top10 P4P fighters in his last two fights, the first of which he leaped two weight divisions and 15lbs to undertake.

[carras]

pac over PBF is stupid

[1punch1nder]

2007

1. PBF
2. Pavlik
3. Pacman
4. Calzaghe
5. Cotto
6. donaire
7-10. and the rest

[chimba]

Let's Predict the top 10 P4P at the end of 2007. All the Big fight is set for the year. Let's predict what the Ring's P4P will give us after all fights are done.

Mine:

1. Pacquiao--- Impressive & Dominating win against MAB couple with...
2. PBF----another dissapointing show & failure to totally dominate Hatton.
3. Calzaghe---Schooling of Kessler
4. JMM--- Masterful performance against Juarez.
5. Cotto--- Close win against Mosley in a war.
6. Vasquez--Win against Rafa, might fight a tune-up within this year.
7. Pavlik---for destroying Taylor(which Bhop & Winky failed to do)
8. Bhop-- for having 1 boring win this year.
9. Rafa--- just for respect for fighting like a warrior.
10. Juan Diaz---Partially unifying 135. Welcome fat boy.

Sorry winky...ran out of spot.


Besides PAC and PBF..what a great list..Good job!:good

[HauntingTheHoly]

Going just be observing their skills in the ring (not their resume):

1) Jim Steele - fucking BOMBASS skills. Only 2-0 right now, but nobody can beat him, nobody.

2) PBF

3) Calzaghe

4) Paq

5) Pavlik

6) Wvladamir

7) Winky

8. Bhop

9) Cotto

10) Vasquez

As for Winky being ahead of Bhop when Bhop won, I'd like to note that that fight was 7-5 for Bhop (not the BS lop-sided score cards) at a weight that was too heavy for Winky. Maybe Bhop could still beat him at 160, who knows, but you can argue for Wink even if that was the case. Styles make fights and I give Winky the slight edge overall. I think it's stupid that Winky was top 3 on every *sane* persons list, then falls off completely just for a loss to Bhop at 170. Pardon me for suggesting this is because of Winky's style that many don't enjoy watching. Could any other fighter have fallen so fast in fans eyes in that situation?

[JAM Killer]

Let's Predict the top 10 P4P at the end of 2007. All the Big fight is set for the year. Let's predict what the Ring's P4P will give us after all fights are done.

Mine:

1. Pacquiao--- Impressive & Dominating win against MAB couple with...
2. PBF----another dissapointing show & failure to totally dominate Hatton.
3. Calzaghe---Schooling of Kessler
4. JMM--- Masterful performance against Juarez.
5. Cotto--- Close win against Mosley in a war.
6. Vasquez--Win against Rafa, might fight a tune-up within this year.
7. Pavlik---for destroying Taylor(which Bhop & Winky failed to do)
8. Bhop-- for having 1 boring win this year.
9. Rafa--- just for respect for fighting like a warrior.
10. Juan Diaz---Partially unifying 135. Welcome fat boy.

Sorry winky...ran out of spot.

Mayweather didn't totally dominate Hatton? You are a dirty fucking hater!

And you put Pac Man number1 for beating up all the old proud Mexicans that he already beat?

What a fucking goof you are.

[acb]

Mayweather didn't totally dominate Hatton? You are a dirty fucking hater!

And you put Pac Man number1 for beating up all the old proud Mexicans that he already beat?

What a fucking goof you are.

I think he wrote this before the Mayweather fight, it was his projection.

And of course his projection happened to fit perfectly for making a case for Pac in a year when Pac really didnt do much. Pavlik, Cotto, and Mayweather all did more, CLEARLY.

[JAM Killer]

1 Floyd Mayweather

2 Calzaghe

3 Pacquaio

4 BHOP

5 Wladimir

6 Juan Diaz

7 Vasquez

8 JMM

9 Pavlik

10 David Haye

[Symphenyceo]

pac over PBF is stupid

:good

[JAM Killer]

1. MArquez
2. Donaire

Dummy

[JAM Killer]

You need a sense of humor. :hey

I thought you were serious. My bad.

[PacDbest]

I think he wrote this before the Mayweather fight, it was his projection.

And of course his projection happened to fit perfectly for making a case for Pac in a year when Pac really didnt do much. Pavlik, Cotto, and Mayweather all did more, CLEARLY.

Tell those Morons I made that predictions 5 months ago.

[PacDbest]

Mayweather didn't totally dominate Hatton? You are a dirty fucking hater!

And you put Pac Man number1 for beating up all the old proud Mexicans that he already beat?

What a fucking goof you are.

Hey stupid, Check when I made that prediction. I already said I put PBF at #1. Stupid!!!@:bbb

Check the date in the 1st page. It says [Only registered and activated users can see links] 09-15-2007, 08:05 AM. I pick all the winners right. I did better than ESPN's teddy atlas. I was just wrong with my expectation on PBF fight.

[huki]

Hey stupid, Check when I made that prediction. I already said I put PBF at #1. Stupid!!!@:bbb

Check the date in the 1st page. It says [Only registered and activated users can see links] 09-15-2007, 08:05 AM. I pick all the winners right. I did better than ESPN's teddy atlas. I was just wrong with my expectation on PBF fight.
Wow, you've done better than Teddy Atlas? Impressive.. :lol:

And it's no surprise that you were wrong again with the Floyd fight.. I picked TKO 10 by the way, you could go check.

[PacDbest]

Support what you like. Boxing is more than just fighting. When you learn that, you will learn what "boxing" is. Till then, you will fall short as an analyst because you are biased against styles which you don't give credence too.

I don't have to learn anything about style as a fan. I watched boxing because I was entertained, If I'm seeing only boring boxing, I wouldn't bother wasting time on it. This is the reason I'm watching Boxing right now. I saw Pac, It's exciting & entertaining. If Pac style is like Guzrun or winky or the Running PBF, I don't think I'll be here bullshitting with you guys.

[Ziggy Montana]

2. PBF----another dissapointing show & failure to totally dominate Hatton.What was he supposed to do, kill the fucker? :-(

[PacDbest]

Wow, you've done better than Teddy Atlas? Impressive.. :lol:

And it's no surprise that you were wrong again with the Floyd fight.. I picked TKO 10 by the way, you could go check.

Did you pick all Superfights right???? If so Congratz.:good I think my prediction motivate Floyd to be more impressive against Hatton. If Floyd fights & wins like this all the time & Fights all comers & never ducks anyone, I'll will become a Fan of his. I used to not like SRL, but he earned my respect when he overcomes & KOed Hearns. Since then I become a fan. I won't mind paying for Floyd's next PPVs, he earned my respect. I hope he fights Cotto next.

[PacDbest]

What was he supposed to do, kill the fucker? :-(
That's a Prediction 5 months ago fuCker!!!!

[PacDbest]

OK I'll revise now my P4P since I was wrong with Floyd. I just change it back to Floyd as #1 & Pac back at #2. This will be my End of the year P4P.



1. PBF----Impressive showing & totally dominate Hatton
2. Pacquiao-- Dominating win against MAB
3. Calzaghe---Schooling of Kessler
4. JMM--- Masterful performance against Juarez.
5. Cotto--- Close win against Mosley in a war.
6. Vasquez--Win against Rafa, might fight a tune-up within this year.
7. Pavlik---for destroying Taylor(which Bhop & Winky failed to do)
8. Bhop-- for having 1 boring win this year.
9. Rafa--- just for respect for fighting like a warrior.
10. Juan Diaz---Partially unifying 135. Welcome fat boy.


Pac will be back at #1 after March 15, 2008.

[Ziggy Montana]

That's a Prediction 5 months ago fuCker!!!!5 months ago doesn't make you less retarded, just a younger retard. :D

[Ziggy Montana]

OK I'll revise now my P4P since I was wrong with Floyd. I just change it back to Floyd as #1 & Pac back at #2. This will be my End of the year P4P.



1. PBF----Impressive showing & totally dominate Hatton
2. Pacquiao-- Dominating win against MAB
3. Calzaghe---Schooling of Kessler
4. JMM--- Masterful performance against Juarez.
5. Cotto--- Close win against Mosley in a war.
6. Vasquez--Win against Rafa, might fight a tune-up within this year.
7. Pavlik---for destroying Taylor(which Bhop & Winky failed to do)
8. Bhop-- for having 1 boring win this year.
9. Rafa--- just for respect for fighting like a warrior.
10. Juan Diaz---Partially unifying 135. Welcome fat boy.


Pac will be back at #1 after March 15, 2008.Changed the meds recently? :lol: