**Regarding the Heavyweights: who is the man...regardless?**

[Orishaman]

At this point it is ludicrous to speak of HW unifications with everyone pulling for themselfs...Wladdy has been the busier, avenging demons from the past, yet...not really taking any chances against the top of the list, except Peter who he fought nearly 2 years ago and for what I seen he is a much improved custome and in line for the WBC titlist!!

Now, with all the top Euro;s and Peter who is the man..what we will learn from the Peter fight...is he the man...can we honestly say that Wlady will need to address him one more time?

[heerko koois]

:happy Evander Holyfield !!!! YEAH ....:happy :happy

[TheGoldenBoy#1]

Wlad is the man. No matter what you say about him Brewster was/is a monster puncher who d already humiliated Wlad so fair play to him for taking him out.

That said, he has not fully consolidated his position as the man. If Peter grabs the WBC belt there s a definite arguement that they should tustle again. That said Peter most certainly will not overtake klitschko simply by beating maskaev.

[mykolakozak]

I want to see old bro give it his last. I want to see Wlad become more aggressive, and I want to see better match-ups. Virchis, Dimitrenko, Liakhovitch

[box03]

Peter is the number one guy to beat Wlad for good reason, he has power, good chin, and can possibably get Wlad into dog fight with him. Peter might be the only fighter out there that could bring the fight to Wlad, thats hope this fight happens in 08.

[standing 8]

Wlad is the man. No matter what you say about him Brewster was/is a monster puncher who d already humiliated Wlad so fair play to him for taking him out.

That said, he has not fully consolidated his position as the man. If Peter grabs the WBC belt there s a definite arguement that they should tustle again. That said Peter most certainly will not overtake klitschko simply by beating maskaev.

I agree with most of your comments, however the Brewster rematch was very lame. It's hard not to look good when your opponent isn't fighting back.

If Peter does indeed defeat Maskaev they should most definately set up a Klitschko / Peter rematch at some point in the new year.

[Marc]

Anyone who doesn't say Wlad is fucking nuts or doesnt know his boxing.

[TheGoldenBoy#1]

Also everybody says how much Peter has come on since the fight. I think Klitschko has come on quite a bit too. Far more comfortable with the Steward style now.

Deffo should be made if Peter has the belt to entice Wlad.

[rodney]

Joe Mesi ???????

[Rumsfeld]

At this point it is ludicrous to speak of HW unifications with everyone pulling for themselfs...Wladdy has been the busier, avenging demons from the past, yet...not really taking any chances against the top of the list, except Peter who he fought nearly 2 years ago and for what I seen he is a much improved custome and in line for the WBC titlist!!

Now, with all the top Euro;s and Peter who is the man..what we will learn from the Peter fight...is he the man...can we honestly say that Wlady will need to address him one more time?

Wlad-Peter II, in my opinion, is the best potential fight in the heavyweight division and I suspect they'll inevitably cross paths again.

However, there is no doubt that Wlad is the top dog. Peter is second best, and there are several fighters I'd put on a third tier below those two.

[El Bombasto]

wlad is the man, for now. if peter gets by maskaev, wlad should rematch him. when peter loses to wlad again, that should be the end of that hype job, but for some reason i think his fans will have some ready made excuses.

[Rumsfeld]

wlad is the man, for now. if peter gets by maskaev...

"IF"?

I'm not one to ordinarily make bold predictions (except jokingly) but I am convinced that Peter will knock Oleg out barring some freaky occurance.

I like Maskaev, but he's gonna get knocked the fuck out.

[T.S.]

I don't see anyone beating Wlad Klitschko in the next two years.
I expect Vitali to stay retired forever.
The next great Heavyweight of the future is Alexander Povetkin.

[Rumsfeld]

I don't see anyone beating Wlad Klitschko in the next two years.

I suspect Wlad will lose to a most unlikely foe in the next three years. But he is by and far the best.

[T.S.]

"IF"?

I'm not one to ordinarily make bold predictions (except jokingly) but I am convinced that Peter will knock Oleg out barring some freaky occurance.

I like Maskaev, but he's gonna get knocked the fuck out.

It continues to amaze me how little respect Maskaev gets! It's got to be his age. What fans forget is how hard he hits (Rahman can verify) and his dedication. He is a focused dedicated pro. I think Peter might be over training and over confident. I heard the same reasons Oleg was going to get KO'd by Rahman. It's Deja Vu all over again.
I'm betting Oleg by late rnd TKO with Peter taking the first few rnds but DROPPING near the end.
V-cash here I come

[Orishaman]

I will say this, Peter should handle Maskaev handedly, Vitali....well he have to have ring rust and as it was he was not the smoothest even when he was fighting regularly so, I not sold on Vitali, plus once again who did Vitali beat..Who? Cory Sanders was his best win and really lets remember that Cory almost brought his golf clubs with his as he came straight from the 18th hole to the ring that night he fought Vitali...

Now for those that claim that Wladdy has gotten better....well yes....but in all honesty the average height of his opponent on his last 4 fights is 6'1"...not what you call colossous opponents...other than Peter...Peter is not afraid of Wladdy, which we could say that Brock was to careful, Byrd comitted suicide on his fight plan and Brewster, well he just didn;t showed up...the only one that showed up for Wladdy was Peter....and he will show upagain when ever they meet again

[T.S.]

I will say this, Peter should handle Maskaev handedly, Vitali....well he have to have ring rust and as it was he was not the smoothest even when he was fighting regularly so, I not sold on Vitali, plus once again who did Vitali beat..Who? Cory Sanders was his best win and really lets remember that Cory almost brought his golf clubs with his as he came straight from the 18th hole to the ring that night he fought Vitali...

Now for those that claim that Wladdy has gotten better....well yes....but in all honesty the average height of his opponent on his last 4 fights is 6'1"...not what you call colossous opponents...other than Peter...Peter is not afraid of Wladdy, which we could say that Brock was to careful, Byrd comitted suicide on his fight plan and Brewster, well he just didn;t showed up...the only one that showed up for Wladdy was Peter....and he will show upagain when ever they meet again

Wlad destroyed Brewster not because Brewster didn't show up but because he couldn't take Wlad's JAB! Wlad had Brewster thinking he'd get brain damage from just Wlad's JABS andwas beaten into surrender on his stool.

Ray Austin is over 6'1" and Wlad knocked him out under 2 rnds with just his left NEVER THROWING A RIGHT yet Austin went the distance and tied with Ibragimov.

Wlad damn near took Calvin Brock's head off dropping him like a rock.

Wlad battered Byrd bloody easily.

Nope don't see anyone beating Wlad in the next two years we shall see.

[brooklyn1550]

Wladimir Klitschko

[Orishaman]

Wlad destroyed Brewster not because Brewster didn't show up but because he couldn't take Wlad's JAB! Wlad had Brewster thinking he'd get brain damage from just Wlad's JABS andwas beaten into surrender on his stool.

Ray Austin is over 6'1" and Wlad knocked him out under 2 rnds with just his left NEVER THROWING A RIGHT yet Austin went the distance and tied with Ibragimov.

Wlad damn near took Calvin Brock's head off dropping him like a rock.

Wlad battered Byrd bloody easily.

Nope don't see anyone beating Wlad in the next two years we shall see.

Ray Austin is a overated chump, and he is 6'6" but not in Peter nor Byrd Class...so I would not even count him...

Brewster couldn;t take his jab , true but he didn't have a plan, he was in daze even before the climb into the ring...Brock...well the word overrated comes to mind...Byrd like I said he had the suicidal plan or maybe he had no plan....the only win I been impressed by Wladdy was against Peter, and honestly that was againt a rookie..Peter has come farther than Wladdy since.....

[barneyrub]

Wlad destroyed Brewster not because Brewster didn't show up but because he couldn't take Wlad's JAB! Wlad had Brewster thinking he'd get brain damage from just Wlad's JABS andwas beaten into surrender on his stool.

Ray Austin is over 6'1" and Wlad knocked him out under 2 rnds with just his left NEVER THROWING A RIGHT yet Austin went the distance and tied with Ibragimov.

Wlad damn near took Calvin Brock's head off dropping him like a rock.

Wlad battered Byrd bloody easily.

Nope don't see anyone beating Wlad in the next two years we shall see.No, Wlad beat a one eyed Brewster who couldnt spar in preparation for the fight for fear of injuring his eye again, his trainer told him in the corner after rd 1 when he hadnt even been hit yet that he wouldnt let him get hit, that he would stop the fight if he gets hit, thats the level of fear and concern and the psycohlogical state they cameinto that fight with, beating Brewster at that time does not redeem or avenge Wlads loss. Brewster had been beaten and seriously injured prior to this Wlad fight, what Wlad has to do is beat Ibragamov, he is the man who beat the man who beat the man who beat brewster who beat wlad.

[Heavyrighthand]

I don't see how anyone can put Peter above Chagaev, who is undefeated, has beaten Valuev and Ruiz. Peter has beaten Toney, and that's it.........................So please explain how Peter is above Chagaev.........I'll wait.....................


(ahem)

1.Wlad
2.Chagaev
3.Maskaev
4-5.Sultan Peter

That's how I put em, at least until Vitali returns and takes over, once again.

[Ambition_Def]

I wouldn't have Peter above Chagaev either, based on accomplishments. You have to give respect to the guys who have won titles.

That will change though WHEN Peter takes Maskaev's title.

Head to head is a different story as of today.

I like Chagaev's chances unlike other titlists like Ibragimov and Waldo, because he has a smaller frame and can have a really tight, responsible defense. His taking the title from the giant cannot be taken lightly. This would be a tough fight for Peter but I like his chances at pulling it out. Chagaev reminds me a lot of Eddie Chambers because he takes a backstep often and lets aggressive fighters lead. That would inevitably be a bad result against Peter.

I'd give Ibragimov zero chance at beating Peter as I think he has questionable footwork and skills while relying heavily on speed and power. Think Jeremy Williams all over again.

Waldo as you all know I feel is there for the taking. The guy simply folds when he gets hit. He had to clinch onto Sam 94-96 times over the course of 12 rounds and still suffered 3 knockdowns. His work with Stewart I feel hasn't produced much of anything except a cheap ripoff of John Ruiz. While he has alot of power and speed/technique, Sam has an extraordinary chin and a solid punch coming back. Both of which nullify any advantages Waldo may have against other opponents.

[box03]

The only reason you got to put Peter up at 2 is because he gave Wlad a very hard time in there last fight 2 years ago, both fighters have grown since then now anything could happen.

[LennoxGOAT]

Wlad will retire without losing again. Mark it down....

[jisi]

Wladimir Klitschko is The Man.

[joma86]

Wlad will retire without losing again. Mark it down....
If he retires before facing Povetkin. Mark it down

[jisi]

Wlad will knock Povetkin out in less than 8 rounds.


Wlad will retire without losing again. Mark it down....


:good

[RUSKULL]

I will say this, Peter should handle Maskaev handedly, Vitali....well he have to have ring rust and as it was he was not the smoothest even when he was fighting regularly so, I not sold on Vitali, plus once again who did Vitali beat..Who? Cory Sanders was his best win and really lets remember that Cory almost brought his golf clubs with his as he came straight from the 18th hole to the ring that night he fought Vitali...

Now for those that claim that Wladdy has gotten better....well yes....but in all honesty the average height of his opponent on his last 4 fights is 6'1"...not what you call colossous opponents...other than Peter...Peter is not afraid of Wladdy, which we could say that Brock was to careful, Byrd comitted suicide on his fight plan and Brewster, well he just didn;t showed up...the only one that showed up for Wladdy was Peter....and he will show upagain when ever they meet again

Brock actually did pretty good early against Wlad, Brewster tried but he had shit to offer against an opponent who wasn't falling asleep this time.

[RUSKULL]

wlad is the superior offensive heavy. no question about that. but his defense and ruiz like tactics are getting annoying. put that in with his questional chin and ...i dunno, but he seems to be the one in a very weak division.

The division isn't weak just because none of your favorites are near the top. The HW's have a lot of interesting matchups and the depth chart is very deep. Wlad still has many good challenges left including some younger fighters such as Povetkin, Solis & maybe even Haye. Some of the older fighters like Tua or McCall could still grab a belt. Who knows, maybe Hopkins or Jones Jr. want to retire on their backs!

[RUSKULL]

I don't see how anyone can put Peter above Chagaev, who is undefeated, has beaten Valuev and Ruiz. Peter has beaten Toney, and that's it.........................So please explain how Peter is above Chagaev.........I'll wait.....................


(ahem)

1.Wlad
2.Chagaev
3.Maskaev
4-5.Sultan Peter

That's how I put em, at least until Vitali returns and takes over, once again.

We agree once again. Chagaev & Maskaev should be ranked above Peter until/if he wins a belt. Then maybe one could justify putting him above guys who've already claimed their belts. It common fuckin' sense.

[Orishaman]

Brewster tried to a point, but he didn;t have the eneregy nor the willingness of getting hit this time, sure you can make excusses for Brewster but thenpoint is that he didn;t it that night...he got beat...

Now, I will say this I am not disrespecting Maskaev, but with all honesty Peter is not Rahman, Rahman was slopy and above that out of shape, all we seen from Peter is take care of business and come to the fight in his best shape...Rahman can;t make that claim and it cost him....Maskaev might hit hard but Peer has a chin and can;t punch harder than Maskaev..and he is a better boxer he was when he faced Wladdy...

Wladdy so far has not been tested, credit to him but let see:

Ray Austin...please

Byrd...his plan was to come straight on to Wladdy wheelhouse....

Brock...was overrated and sure had some movement that Wladdy and Emanuel figure out rather quickly and as far as I know he is still on the canvas....

Devariel...he gave Wladdy a scare and reminded us that no matter how much improvement Wladdy has boxing ...his chin is suspect

I will say due to the string of KO's that Wladdy has since the Peter fight, he is the man at this point but Peter is on the trail of a rematch..and then we will see

[TheGoldenBoy#1]

That s more dues for wlad then i would have expected from you Oirish :good

[Heavyrighthand]

Ray Austin is a overated chump, and he is 6'6" but not in Peter nor Byrd Class...so I would not even count him...

Brewster couldn;t take his jab , true but he didn't have a plan, he was in daze even before the climb into the ring...Brock...well the word overrated comes to mind...Byrd like I said he had the suicidal plan or maybe he had no plan....the only win I been impressed by Wladdy was against Peter, and honestly that was againt a rookie..Peter has come farther than Wladdy since.....

Its really rather creative and funny, how you can come up with a short description of each of Wlad's destroyed opponents to discredit Wlad and to minimize the threat they brought to him. You even make a little line description for each one. LOL

I imagine if he beat Peter in a rematch, and then Chagaev, then you'd suddenly find a way to slam those guys, too.

Even I see a pattern, here, and I'm not that smart.

Fact is, Wlad has been tested, and has passed. And over his last several fights, he outshines his opponents (skilled boxers like Byrd, and monster punchers like Brewster, alike) so decisively that even though they are world class, they seem like C level fighters, when compared to him. I think that is a better description of what has happened, rather than the way you've been putting effort into belittling his last several opponents.

Wlad is not only the heavyweight, he's as dominant as anyone has been since the days of a 30 year old Lewis.

[Lacyace]

Wlad is the best, but not dominant. He has to beat some of those other titlists before being called that. If he beats Chagaev, and the winner of Maskaev or Peter, then he could be called truly dominant. Until then, hell no.

[Mrboogie23]

Its Maurice Harris.

[Rumsfeld]

It continues to amaze me how little respect Maskaev gets! It's got to be his age. What fans forget is how hard he hits (Rahman can verify) and his dedication.

I know how hard he hits, but he doesn't have Wlad-like power, so it's unlikely he packs enough punch to hurt Peter. He's also less active than Wlad and is painfully slow.

What I can't forget, are his losses to Johnson, Goofi, and especially T-Rex.

Peter is going to knock him out.

[box03]

Wlad has shown inprovement but his chin has not been really tested since 05 when Peter floored him 3 times and had him hurt, I believe if he can beat Peter again I will give him the credit he deserves. The competition he has fought since Peter has been sub par at best, Bryd was well past his prime and his boxing has diminshed leaving him with no threat to Wlad. Brock has nothing great in his arsenal to beat Wlad, every talent of his is either average or little bit above average. Austin sucks and showed little heart in there fight, should of never been given the opertunity to fight Wlad in the first place. Brewster who I thought would give Wlad a challange didnt show up that night, anyone in the top 10 could of beat Brewster that night. Wlad needs to prove more to me and alot of other fight fans hes for real, his heart and chin question not his boxing ability.

[Marciano Frazier]

At this point it is ludicrous to speak of HW unifications with everyone pulling for themselfs...Wladdy has been the busier, avenging demons from the past, yet...not really taking any chances against the top of the list, except Peter who he fought nearly 2 years ago and for what I seen he is a much improved custome and in line for the WBC titlist!!
What would it take for you to accept the man is fighting the best? Peter was an undefeated top 10 heavyweight and very highly regarded by many observers when Wlad beat him. Byrd was the IBF titlist and RING/general world #1-ranked heavyweight when Wlad beat him. Brock was an undefeated top 10 heavyweight and very well-regarded in some circles when Wlad beat him. Brewster wasn't on top at the time, but he was a former titlist and still generally top 15-ranked heavyweight, and the fight was a resounding answer to all the detractors who've been crying out for Wlad to avenge his losses. Only the Austin fight was kind of an easy-mark sort of match, and Wlad had to take that fight, because Austin was his mandatory and he would've been stripped of his belt if he hadn't. Wlad has fought far better opposition than any of the other titlists, been more active, and been more dominant. He's clearly the man of the division right now.

Now, with all the top Euro;s and Peter who is the man..what we will learn from the Peter fight...is he the man...can we honestly say that Wlady will need to address him one more time?
Peter has beaten exactly one top 20 opponent in his career, that being a disgustingly fat and deteriorated old middleweight in Toney, and most observers thought he lost the first fight. Other than that, he has about 17-18 wins against low-level and clubfighters, a few against top 30-ish guys like an old Jeremy Williams and Taurus Sykes, and a loss to Wlad. So no, Peter is not in line to somehow supercede Wlad as "the man" by picking up one win against the consensus worst of the four titlists.

That said, though, Peter would become the main threat to Wlad's place at the top of the current heavyweight pantheon with a win over Maskaev, and a rematch between the two would be interesting. And of course I'm all for unification(God, please let two titlists fight each other sometime within the next decade), so I would certainly support such a match.