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Superheavyweight
09-15-2007, 03:25 PM
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Marnoff
09-15-2007, 04:21 PM
So he's willing to call Lennox the greatest of all time for beating a completely faded Mike Tyson. So what? George is known to say crazy things.

box03
09-15-2007, 04:25 PM
I dont know why George is always on Lewis' dick. I remember when George said he would come out of retirement to fight Vitali if he beat Lennox, but he didnt want to fight Lennox.

El Bombasto
09-15-2007, 04:26 PM
it's hard to find any reason why lewis should be considered the best, i would favor him head-to-head against most previous champs (except maybe holmes), but i can't think of anything he accomplished during his career that a previous champ had done better.

brooklyn1550
09-15-2007, 04:28 PM
He one of the greatest heavyweights ever, however, he's not the greatest.

anut
09-15-2007, 04:30 PM
NO HES NOT......MUHAMMAD ALI IS......ALIS RESUME PROVES THAT.....ALIS BIG WINS WERE WHEN FIGHTERS WERE IN THIER PRIME.....TYSON WAS NOT IN HIS PRIME WHEN LEWIS FACED HIM.....HOLYFIELD WAS NOT IN HIS PRIME WHEN LEWIS FACED HIM......GOLOTA WAS IN HIS PRIME AND MERCER PRETTY CLOSE......BUT ALI WOULD TOTALLY OUT BOX BOTH OF THEM.....PS I WATCHED LEWIS/BUTLER TODAY......SHIT DID LEWIS LOOK LIKE SHIT.:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke

TheGreat
09-15-2007, 04:50 PM
No he isn't but he is a top 10 ATG easily.

elTerrible
09-15-2007, 04:55 PM
I still have alot of respect for big george, even though he says some pretty wacky shit sometimes. He probably would say Tito Trinidad is the greatest welter of all time as well.

Boro chris
09-15-2007, 05:08 PM
NO HES NOT......MUHAMMAD ALI IS......ALIS RESUME PROVES THAT.....ALIS BIG WINS WERE WHEN FIGHTERS WERE IN THIER PRIME.....TYSON WAS NOT IN HIS PRIME WHEN LEWIS FACED HIM.....HOLYFIELD WAS NOT IN HIS PRIME WHEN LEWIS FACED HIM......GOLOTA WAS IN HIS PRIME AND MERCER PRETTY CLOSE......BUT ALI WOULD TOTALLY OUT BOX BOTH OF THEM.....PS I WATCHED LEWIS/BUTLER TODAY......SHIT DID LEWIS LOOK LIKE SHIT.:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke

STOP TYPING IN CAPITALS. IT'S REALLY ANNOYING AND MAY DISTRACT FROM ANY POINT YOU MAY WISH TO MAKE.

Thank you.

Joe Gans
09-15-2007, 05:14 PM
Certainly not the best ever, though difinitely in the top ten. Styles make fights, don't forget that Ray Mercer and Holyfield gave Lennox his toughest fights.
"Oliver McCall, give him credit for knocking out Lewis, he may be unstable, but tough. Rahman, another tough fighter who knocked Lewis out, though neither fighters are going to be inducted into the BHOF."

A prime Riddick Bowe, Larry Holmes, Ali and Joe Frazier would defeat prime Lewis on most day's.

Relentless
09-15-2007, 05:16 PM
So he's willing to call Lennox the greatest of all time for beating a completely faded Mike Tyson. So what? George is known to say crazy things.

what heavyweight has a better resume?

El Bombasto
09-15-2007, 05:18 PM
what heavyweight has a better resume?

joe louis, larry holmes, rocky marciano....

KayEpps
09-15-2007, 05:19 PM
He one of the greatest heavyweights ever, however, he's not the greatest.

I agree. He's one of the only Heavyweights in history to best every man he's ever face - whether head up or in a rematch. Not many fighters can ever say they did that.

He's by far one of the best - but he's not the greatest.

Joe Gans
09-15-2007, 05:25 PM
joe louis, larry holmes, rocky marciano....

Joe Louis :good Rocky Marciano would be battered by Lewis, he's just too small.

barneyrub
09-15-2007, 06:01 PM
Heres Lewis`s take on who is the greatest. Also Holyfields trainer states that Lewis could beat any champion in history.

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El Bombasto
09-15-2007, 06:04 PM
Joe Louis :good Rocky Marciano would be battered by Lewis, he's just too small.

hard to compare heavyweights from different eras, so to objectively compare them as champions, i think the right question should be what did he do? head to head i would favor lennox against both louis and rocky, but as champions they accomplished more. lennox's claim to greatness is that he beat everyone he faced, rocky did the same, but he always got it right the first time around.

Decker
09-15-2007, 07:06 PM
hard to compare heavyweights from different eras, so to objectively compare them as champions, i think the right question should be what did he do? head to head i would favor lennox against both louis and rocky, but as champions they accomplished more. lennox's claim to greatness is that he beat everyone he faced, rocky did the same, but he always got it right the first time around. El B, I agree w/many of your posts - and you have a quirky/funny avatar (that's not you is it :D ). No real disagreement here. The problem w/comparing HWs is that you can do it (1) p4p, (2) h2h, or (3) accomplishments within thier respective eras. Some seem to combine 2 or more of the above. You're referring to (3). If you go by h2h I think LL is an easy top 5 ATG, maybe #1. He would easily beat most of the smaller CWT to small HW sized HW champs of the older days, and would be very competetive vs any of the other recent guys. He was the best 90s HW, Holy maybe 2nd. If you go by criteria (1) maybe Dempsey, Louis, or Marciano were the best. But even going by (3), Lennox had a top resume - easily top 10 going by accomplishemnts in his era. :deal

Ali was the best in is era, but went many rounds with world beaters like Sonny Banks, Chuvalo (yeah, I know George had a helluva chin), Patterson (great, for a 190+ pounder), Mildenberger, & Terrell. All these guys would be CWT or small HW today. Ali won these fights in his supposed pre exile prime. I bring these up because if Lennox (Wlad too) has a tough fight, or wins, but not in 1-3 rounds, some fans use this to disparage his ATG status. Yet they don't apply the same standards to their fav HWs. :-( :(

Hard to be consistent when the conclusions go against what you want reality to be. :yep

rodney
09-15-2007, 07:48 PM
Not even close.
Not all time.
The only time was his time --- when he was champ.
And even then, he never had it all.
Remember when Hasim Rachman layed him out stiff.
That doesnt happen to the greatest of all time.

barneyrub
09-15-2007, 08:24 PM
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Lewis talking about not wishing to compare himself with the greats but to only call himself the best of his era, as he said, "Id like to walk in their footsteps but ive got bigger shoes. I dont believe in crossing era`s"

41fever
09-15-2007, 08:39 PM
lewis was really good, but imagine if Evander was his height and weight.....hmmmm

41fever
09-15-2007, 08:39 PM
Lewis dominated a lot a small heavies. Some larger, like Grant.

He Hate Me
09-15-2007, 09:03 PM
You can't be serious.

El Bombasto
09-16-2007, 12:45 AM
El B, I agree w/many of your posts - and you have a quirky/funny avatar (that's not you is it :D ). No real disagreement here. The problem w/comparing HWs is that you can do it (1) p4p, (2) h2h, or (3) accomplishments within thier respective eras. Some seem to combine 2 or more of the above. You're referring to (3). If you go by h2h I think LL is an easy top 5 ATG, maybe #1. He would easily beat most of the smaller CWT to small HW sized HW champs of the older days, and would be very competetive vs any of the other recent guys. He was the best 90s HW, Holy maybe 2nd. If you go by criteria (1) maybe Dempsey, Louis, or Marciano were the best. But even going by (3), Lennox had a top resume - easily top 10 going by accomplishemnts in his era. :deal

Ali was the best in is era, but went many rounds with world beaters like Sonny Banks, Chuvalo (yeah, I know George had a helluva chin), Patterson (great, for a 190+ pounder), Mildenberger, & Terrell. All these guys would be CWT or small HW today. Ali won these fights in his supposed pre exile prime. I bring these up because if Lennox (Wlad too) has a tough fight, or wins, but not in 1-3 rounds, some fans use this to disparage his ATG status. Yet they don't apply the same standards to their fav HWs. :-( :(

Hard to be consistent when the conclusions go against what you want reality to be. :yep

h2h i would put lennox at no. 1 all time, he had great size and power, and knew how and when to use it. but, personally, i do not think it is a fair comparison to heavyweights from a previous era [they did not have the same access to training knowledge, nutrition, and resourses ($$$)], so the way i look at it...every great fighter did the best he could with what he had, and against the competition that was available. so, imho, accomplishment is the most unbiased way to evaluate an atg.