bentt puts sam peter into perspective

[El Bombasto]

"...No, he doesn’t. We saw that when he fought the cat from Nigeria…Samuel Peter. That is the poster child for a guy who is strong, tough, but no talent. None. Sure, if you put him in with Jeremy Williams, he’ll knock him out every time they fight, because Jeremy Williams never had a heavyweight chin. He was a talented fighter, and he had a heavyweight punch but not a heavyweight chin. But Sam Peter is just raw, he’s crude, you know what I mean? Everyone is hopping on his bandwagon because, you know, he’s from Nigeria, and I guess everyone is trying to paint him in the same mold as Ike Ibeabuchi. Ike Ibeabuchi was a bad motherfucker. He’s the kind of cat that I would…(Laughs)…that I would NOT fight. If I had a heavyweight, if I was a manager of a heavyweight, that’s the kind of motherfucker we would fight for 50 million dollars! You don’t fuck with him for less than that! Ike had a complete arsenal; movement, defense, had a granite chin. Sam Peter is one-dimensional. He’s a poor man’s Mike Tyson. I’m going off here. (Laughs)"

i would say he's right on the money

[box03]

He might be a poor mans tyson, but thats all we can hope for during this sad time in the heavywieght division.

[ApatheticLeader]

He might be a poor mans tyson, but thats all we can hope for during this sad time in the heavywieght division.
Um....no. Tyson had technique, speed and a variety of punches as well as power.

And why is it the best we can hope for anyway? Quite frankly I'd rather watch Chris Byrd than Sam Peter.

[brooklyn1550]

He's tough, he's strong, he's powerful, and he has an iron chin. He wont be a great heavyweight by any means, but with today's talent, he may be good enough to be around the top and collect some belts. He's more of a poor man's George Foreman than a poor man's Mike Tyson.

[DamonD]

Except Bentt said that about a year or so ago, didn't he? Before the two Peter-Toney fights?

[brooklyn1550]

Samuel Peter straightened up his punches and showed a jab and counter punching against Toney. We'll soon find out if that was an aberration or the real Sam Peter.

[El Bombasto]

Except Bentt said that about a year or so ago, didn't he? Before the two Peter-Toney fights?

so he gets off a meaningless flurry against a stationary and bloated toney, and all of the sudden he's mahammed ali?

[box03]

Sam Peter showed he can adjust his fighting style to beat different fighters, after he lays out Maskaev hes going to retire Vitali for good.

[Marnoff]

Anyone who compares Peter to Tyson in any way other than chin or power doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about.

[Marnoff]

Except Bentt said that about a year or so ago, didn't he? Before the two Peter-Toney fights?

Well, Peter got owned in the first Toney fight.

[KayEpps]

When you watch a Heavyweight boxing match - most people want to see a Knock Out. They don't really want to see a good boxing match that goes 12 rounds. Brutal Knock Out is what we want - pure entertainment. In that sense - Sam Peter is very entertaining.

He may not be one of the better Boxers in the Heavyweight Division - but knowing that he has the KO power to end the fight at any moment keeps most of us watching him.

[El Bombasto]

When you watch a Heavyweight boxing match - most people want to see a Knock Out. They don't really want to see a good boxing match that goes 12 rounds. Brutal Knock Out is what we want - pure entertainment. In that sense - Sam Peter is very entertaining.

He may not be one of the better Boxers in the Heavyweight Division - but knowing that he has the KO power to end the fight at any moment keeps most of us watching him.

you may not have noticed, but peter's ko 'power' only seems to work against c-class bums who know that they are there to lose.

[lefthook31]

Unfortunately it only takes the talent Peter has to be succesful in this era of heavyweights.

[Heavyrighthand]

you may not have noticed, but peter's ko 'power' only seems to work against c-class bums who know that they are there to lose.

Right. Having power (even if its not as powerful as its touted as being) is not doing you any good if you don't have the skills to deliver it.

And I think to call Peter a poor man's Tyson is giving Peter waaaaaaaaaay too much credit. Peter is not good enough to even be called a poor man's Tyson, as Tyson was the total package who was ultra fast, skilled, conditoined, powerful, iron chinned,etc.........., and Peter has some decent power, and not much else. LOL So Peter is FAR from being even a poor man's Tyson. Peter would have to greatly improve to be called a poor man's Tyson.

[brooklyn1550]

I don't like it when people call Peter another David Tua....Tua was much better in his prime

[Heavyrighthand]

Unfortunately it only takes the talent Peter has to be succesful in this era of heavyweights.

If that's the case, then why didn't he beat Wlad when he had the chance? :lol: And why didn't he beat Toney more decisively, so they woudlnt' have to had a rematch?

[lefthook31]

If that's the case, then why didn't he beat Wlad when he had the chance? :lol: And why didn't he beat Toney more decisively, so they woudlnt' have to had a rematch?

Because Wlad is a more diversified fighter than Peter.. To me that fight should have been a draw anyway. I didnt say dominate by the way, I said successful.

[box03]

Peter gave Wlad all he can handle in there first fight, you cant expect too much from a 25 year old guy with what like 22 fights.

[RUSKULL]

He might be a poor mans tyson, but thats all we can hope for during this sad time in the heavywieght division.

It's only a sad time if your favorite HW isn't doing well huh? I'm quite happy with the current HW division & I believe it has a lot of nice matches to be made. You're just pissed off that a fighter you hate Wlad, is the fuckin' man right now & it kills you doesn't it? I myself could not be happier! :D

[RUSKULL]

Sam Peter showed he can adjust his fighting style to beat different fighters, after he lays out Maskaev hes going to retire Vitali for good.

Vitali's chin might be better than Sam's and I know his technique is quite a bit better as well as his speed.

[RUSKULL]

Because Wlad is a more diversified fighter than Peter.. To me that fight should have been a draw anyway. I didnt say dominate by the way, I said successful.

A draw? Are you fuckin' kiddin' me? Begone you boxing novice nuthugger..........................:bart

[Mundo]

that guys is a fucking idiot.

Poor mans mike tyson?

Mike tyson had solid d, fast combos, ect, ect...

what the fuck is the comparison here? jeezas.

also... ya, he looked so crude in outboxing the shit out of james toney. He used his jab effectively, defence decently, ect.

[Mundo]

Because Wlad is a more diversified fighter than Peter.. To me that fight should have been a draw anyway. I didnt say dominate by the way, I said successful.

a draw? come on lefthook man... peter won like... 2 rounds. :huh

[box03]

It's only a sad time if your favorite HW isn't doing well huh? I'm quite happy with the current HW division & I believe it has a lot of nice matches to be made. You're just pissed off that a fighter you hate Wlad, is the fuckin' man right now & it kills you doesn't it? I myself could not be happier! :D It sucks because of such minimal talent, and what great Heavywieght matches are being made Mccline vs Williamson or old Holyfield vs Iggy. If holyfield does happen to win, that just goes to show you how bad the Heavywieght division really is. Make a thread that asks if the heavywieght division is bad right now or not, I bet at least 70% agrees with me.

[brooklyn1550]

The individual talent, other than Wladimir, is less than stellar, but there are some exciting potential matchups that could be made.

[Decker]

It sucks because of such minimal talent, and what great Heavywieght matches are being made Mccline vs Williamson or old Holyfield vs Iggy. If holyfield does happen to win, that just goes to show you how bad the Heavywieght division really is. Make a thread that asks if the heavywieght division is bad right now or not, I bet at least 70% agrees with me. I wish you & lefthook31 would get a new play in your 1 page playbook. You seem to have only one, "HW no good now". Sheesh :-(

You guys are reminding me of an ESBer that went by raven a while back. He actaully had good knowledge, but would write pages of text on the forums & replies to articles arguing to anyone who would listen how overrated Wlad was (he seemed to have it in more for the younger K bro). I stopped reading the guy after about 6 months. The only reason I read as much as I did is that he actually would go through tortured, winding "logic" to make his case. Which just meant there was so many ways to counter his argument, you didn't know where to begin. :yep I don't think he was a pure hating troll :think but he had serious issues with a pro fighter. Me? I've never spent so much time hating any entertainer - which is what these guys are. Since I don't think raven was ever in the Ukraine, I don't think Wlad took his lunch money, gf, or whatever. Anyway, it was wierd. He had a real obsession with Wlad.

I speculated that the reason he spent so much time on Wlad, was because he lost money betting for and against Wlad ! :lol: :rofl
He must have gone off the deep end during Wlads recent wins :yep

That might explain some current :| posters issues too.

[Decker]

a draw? come on lefthook man... peter won like... 2 rounds. :huh No kidding ! Start the X Files theme, or for you older fans the Twilight Zone theme... :nut :lol:

Draw? :rofl Lefthook, keep the day job. Boxing judge is not in your future.

[box03]

I wish you & lefthook31 would get a new play in your 1 page playbook. You seem to have only one, "HW no good now". Sheesh :-(

You guys are reminding me of an ESBer that went by raven a while back. He actaully had good knowledge, but would write pages of text on the forums & replies to articles arguing to anyone who would listen how overrated Wlad was (he seemed to have it in more for the younger K bro). I stopped reading the guy after about 6 months. The only reason I read as much as I did is that he actually would go through tortured, winding "logic" to make his case. Which just meant there was so many ways to counter his argument, you didn't know where to begin. :yep I don't think he was a pure hating troll :think but he had serious issues with a pro fighter. Me? I've never spent so much time hating any entertainer - which is what these guys are. Since I don't think raven was ever in the Ukraine, I don't think Wlad took his lunch money, gf, or whatever. Anyway, it was wierd. He had a real obsession with Wlad.

I speculated that the reason he spent so much time on Wlad, was because he lost money betting for and against Wlad ! :lol: :rofl
He must have gone off the deep end during Wlads recent wins :yep

That might explain some current :| posters issues too. Believe it or not I used to like his older Brother Vitali and liked the way he would slug it out with other fighters until he pussed out on fighting Rahman 3 or 4 times, I know he was injured but how how many times do you want to me to buy that story. As far as Wlad goes I do dislike him he made up reasons why he lost to Brewster the first time they fought, if he would of just said the man was able to take my punches and I lost because I was tired that would of been cool with me. Wlad still has a weak chin he just knows how to deal with it better and it hasnt been tested since Peter, I believe Peter will be beat him next time because now he doesnt smother his punches anymore he takes a step back then punches. I will make a deal with you if Wlad beats Peter I will post a picture of me wearing a "I LOVE WLAD" shirt so everyone could see how wrong I was, thats how confident I am Peter will beat him the second time around.

[Decker]

Believe it or not I used to like his older Brother Vitali and liked the way he would slug it out with other fighters until he pussed out on fighting Rahman 3 or 4 times, I know he was injured but how how many times do you want to me to buy that story. As far as Wlad goes I do dislike him he made up reasons why he lost to Brewster the first time they fought, if he would of just said the man was able to take my punches and I lost because I was tired that would of been cool with me. Wlad still has a weak chin he just knows how to deal with it better and it hasnt been tested since Peter, I believe Peter will be beat him next time because now he doesnt smother his punches anymore he takes a step back then punches. I will make a deal with you if Wlad beats Peter I will post a picture of me wearing a "I LOVE WLAD" shirt so everyone could see how wrong I was, thats how confident I am Peter will beat him the second time around. Glad you sort of appreciated the older bro. Wlad is hardly the worst fighter w/the complaints after losses. He's middle of the road in the exuse dept. I'll say it again, Wlad-Brew I was a very strange fight. :think Something happened to Wlad that nite besides LB.

Look, I think Peter has a fair chance vs Wlad, but I favor Wlad.
I had Hasbeen as a slight fav in his 2nd fight with Oleg (like 6-5 odds) - mainly going by the fact that Oleg was older. Rahman has never been a consistent fighter, so you never know which HR shows up. Of course Peter has a better chin than HR... and Oleg is even older now. That's why I'm picking SP vs Oleg. Against Wlad, that's a tall (ha ha) order :yep

If you're serious about the "I LOVE WLAD", then you must really like Sams chances ! :cool:

[box03]

Glad you sort of appreciated the older bro. Wlad is hardly the worst fighter w/the complaints after losses. He's middle of the road in the exuse dept. I'll say it again, Wlad-Brew I was a very strange fight. :think Something happened to Wlad that nite besides LB.

Look, I think Peter has a fair chance vs Wlad, but I favor Wlad.
I had Hasbeen as a slight fav in his 2nd fight with Oleg (like 6-5 odds) - mainly going by the fact that Oleg was older. Rahman has never been a consistent fighter, so you never know which HR shows up. Of course Peter has a better chin than HR... and Oleg is even older now. That's why I'm picking SP vs Oleg. Against Wlad, that's a tall (ha ha) order :yep

If you're serious about the "I LOVE WLAD", then you must really like Sams chances ! :cool: There was nothing wierd about that night just that Wlad punched himself out, he looked to be on his way to the same way in the Mercer fight in which his face was all blue and distorted. Wlad had a history of tiring easy before his fight with Brewster, I believe he had a similiar problem with Ross "THE BOSS" Purity. As far Peter beating Wlad I think its only a matter of time before we see that happen, there needs to be a change in direction the heavywieght division and that change is Sam Peter.

[El Bombasto]

I wish you & lefthook31 would get a new play in your 1 page playbook. You seem to have only one, "HW no good now". Sheesh :-(

You guys are reminding me of an ESBer that went by raven a while back. He actaully had good knowledge, but would write pages of text on the forums & replies to articles arguing to anyone who would listen how overrated Wlad was (he seemed to have it in more for the younger K bro). I stopped reading the guy after about 6 months. The only reason I read as much as I did is that he actually would go through tortured, winding "logic" to make his case. Which just meant there was so many ways to counter his argument, you didn't know where to begin. :yep I don't think he was a pure hating troll :think but he had serious issues with a pro fighter. Me? I've never spent so much time hating any entertainer - which is what these guys are. Since I don't think raven was ever in the Ukraine, I don't think Wlad took his lunch money, gf, or whatever. Anyway, it was wierd. He had a real obsession with Wlad.

I speculated that the reason he spent so much time on Wlad, was because he lost money betting for and against Wlad ! :lol: :rofl
He must have gone off the deep end during Wlads recent wins :yep

That might explain some current :| posters issues too.

i remember raven, god damn that guy was retarded

[Decker]

... As far Peter beating Wlad I think its only a matter of time before we see that happen, there needs to be a change in direction the heavywieght division and that change is Sam Peter. Don't be too sure. There wasn't much to repsond to excpet for that last phrase. IIRC, you're an American, like me. Why does there need to be a change in the HW division? Fighters like Wlad are a change among HWs. :think Since both Wlad & Peter are non Americans, why is SP the change that "we" need?

Btw, I'm not a big SP basher. You're a much bigger critic of Wlad than I am of Sam. And some SP doubters are and are not Wlad fans. Peter has critics form all corners here on ESB. :p My views on SP have always been moderate.

[Jinx]

all i know is Sam Peter is going to starch Maskaev inside 3 rds...

[box03]

Don't be too sure. There wasn't much to repsond to excpet for that last phrase. IIRC, you're an American, like me. Why does there need to be a change in the HW division? Fighters like Wlad are a change among HWs. :think Since both Wlad & Peter are non Americans, why is SP the change that "we" need?

Btw, I'm not a big SP basher. You're a much bigger critic of Wlad than I am of Sam. And some SP doubters are and are not Wlad fans. Peter has critics form all corners here on ESB. :p My views on SP have always been moderate. Im a huge fan of fighters who have strong chins and a heavy punch, Wlad lacks chin thats not something that just goes away with time. I also seem to root for guys who came up the hard way in life and assume there tougher for it, Wlad grew up in upper middle class home and is well educated. Me personally I would like to see a fighter with that rage in the ring that captures peoples imagination including mine, I guess me and alot of others are waiting for the second coming of a fighter like Tyson.

[RUSKULL]

It sucks because of such minimal talent, and what great Heavywieght matches are being made Mccline vs Williamson or old Holyfield vs Iggy. If holyfield does happen to win, that just goes to show you how bad the Heavywieght division really is. Make a thread that asks if the heavywieght division is bad right now or not, I bet at least 70% agrees with me.

History will judge this era once it's past & I'd rather hear history's opinion rather than yours, but that's just me :D

[RUSKULL]

Believe it or not I used to like his older Brother Vitali and liked the way he would slug it out with other fighters until he pussed out on fighting Rahman 3 or 4 times, I know he was injured but how how many times do you want to me to buy that story. As far as Wlad goes I do dislike him he made up reasons why he lost to Brewster the first time they fought, if he would of just said the man was able to take my punches and I lost because I was tired that would of been cool with me. Wlad still has a weak chin he just knows how to deal with it better and it hasnt been tested since Peter, I believe Peter will be beat him next time because now he doesnt smother his punches anymore he takes a step back then punches. I will make a deal with you if Wlad beats Peter I will post a picture of me wearing a "I LOVE WLAD" shirt so everyone could see how wrong I was, thats how confident I am Peter will beat him the second time around.

That's funny cuz I'm just as confident that Wladimir stops Peter inside the distance next time around.

[box03]

History will judge this era once it's past & I'd rather hear history's opinion rather than yours, but that's just me :D The heavywieght division was never made fun of as bad as it is today, if you watch HBO boxing over the last 5 years you would of heard commentators and experts giving there opinions on why the heavywieght division is so bad now. Im sure you heard the same yourself from not just HBO but other formats describing the decline of the once exciting and dominant heavywieght division.

[RUSKULL]

The heavywieght division was never made fun of as bad as it is today, if you watch HBO boxing over the last 5 years you would of heard commentators and experts giving there opinions on why the heavywieght division is so bad now. Im sure you heard the same yourself from not just HBO but other formats describing the decline of the once exciting and dominant heavywieght division.

The same shit was said coutless other times throughout history for many different eras, including Louis', Marciano's, Holmes', etc.

[Decker]

The heavywieght division was never made fun of as bad as it is today, if you watch HBO boxing over the last 5 years you would of heard commentators and experts giving there opinions on why the heavywieght division is so bad now. Im sure you heard the same yourself from not just HBO but other formats describing the decline of the once exciting and dominant heavywieght division.:roll: Box, yes it was - even when it was basically a US only club. And HBO boxing is some unbiased scholarly source? :lol: Manny says that Wlad is a tremendous talent. Oh, he's biased. Manny has opportunities to handle many top fighters. He gladly works with Wlad - they've done very well together. :good

[box03]

The same shit was said coutless other times throughout history for many different eras, including Louis', Marciano's, Holmes', etc. But its safe to say that this is one of the worst era's in heavywieght boxing history?

[box03]

:roll: Box, yes it was - even when it was basically a US only club. And HBO boxing is some unbiased scholarly source? :lol: Manny says that Wlad is a tremendous talent. Oh, he's biased. Manny has opportunities to handle many top fighters. He gladly works with Wlad - they've done very well together. :good One good fighter doesnt constitute good era, I agree Wlads a good talent but one of few in the HW division.

[RUSKULL]

But its safe to say that this is one of the worst era's in heavywieght boxing history?

Not in my opinion.

We have the old guard with Tua, McCall, Holyfield, Golota, etc.

We have the younger prospects like Peter, Chambers, Povetkin, Thompson (not that young) & Solis.

Plenty of big punchers like Peter, Virchis, etc.

What's not to like again? :deal

[RUSKULL]

One good fighter doesnt constitute good era, I agree Wlads a good talent but one of few in the HW division.

During Tyson's unprecendented quick rise to the top there weren't any real big names, Holmes defended his title against some cheesey boxers, so did Louis, so did Marciano, so did Patterson, etc, etc.

[box03]

I wouldnt call Jersey joe or archie moore cheesey for Marciano. I wouldnt call Shmelling or Baer for Louis. Mccall,Golota, and Holyfield are recycled goods from the 90s which was there prime. Most of the young guys you named are little known aside from Peter. Please just admit the 90s were better than now, I probably watch just as much Heavywieght boxing as you do its not hard see.

[MrMagic]

Herbie Hide KTFO Bentt.
Samuel Peter would too.

[Decker]

During Tyson's unprecendented quick rise to the top there weren't any real big names, Holmes defended his title against some cheesey boxers, so did Louis, so did Marciano, so did Patterson, etc, etc. RUSKULL, what are you doing? Using history like that? :lol: And don't you go hatin' on Tyson. Mike had that super 2 year prime, when nobody, I mean nobody could beat him. That is until Buster "I had one big nite" Douglas exposed the ATG Mike !
The Tyson myth even lasted after LL beat him like a drum. :patsch

If Mike gets serious, blah blah :dead he could clean out these... :nut

[RUSKULL]

RUSKULL, what are you doing? Using history like that? :lol: And don't you go hatin' on Tyson. Mike had that super 2 year prime, when nobody, I mean nobody could beat him. That is until Buster "I had one big nite" Douglas exposed the ATG Mike !
The Tyson myth even lasted after LL beat him like a drum. :patsch

If Mike gets serious, blah blah :dead he could clean out these... :nut

I agree and Tyson was great for those early few years but that was largely due to a lack of any real competition for him. I'd name some names but many of Tyson's early opponents were very forgettable. Steve Zouski & Peter McNeeley come to mind though, and what exactly did either accomplish before of after their fights against Tyson?

[RUSKULL]

I wouldnt call Jersey joe or archie moore cheesey for Marciano. I wouldnt call Shmelling or Baer for Louis. Mccall,Golota, and Holyfield are recycled goods from the 90s which was there prime. Most of the young guys you named are little known aside from Peter. Please just admit the 90s were better than now, I probably watch just as much Heavywieght boxing as you do its not hard see.

Joe Louis, Jersey Joe Walcott & Archie Moore were all considered apst their primes when they fought Marciano. Max Schmeling was decent as was Max Baer. Don't get me started about that lumbering oaf Primo Carnera.......................

[lefthook31]

During Tyson's unprecendented quick rise to the top there weren't any real big names, Holmes defended his title against some cheesey boxers, so did Louis, so did Marciano, so did Patterson, etc, etc.

Your posts continue to amaze me how clueless you are. Your an embarrassment to this site. In fact the Klitschkos would be embarrassed to read your posts about them. :patsch

[RUSKULL]

Your posts continue to amaze me how clueless you are. Your an embarrassment to this site. In fact the Klitschkos would be embarrassed to read your posts about them. :patsch

Why? Because you say so? I'm not buying the shit you're selling.....................

[Illmatic]

does anyone find it ironic that its MICHAEL BENTT who's saying these things?