Who was more unbeatable in there prime RJJ or Mike Tyson

[box03]

Both Tyson and Jones were amazing fighters in there primes, both had Power,speed, and an amazing ability to not just to beat there oppenent but to Humiliate and destroy them before are very eyes.

[KO Boxing]

While we're talking about their physical primes, I'm gonna say Roy, cause he was stronger mentally and wouldn't just melt.

[Mob]

While we're talking about their physical primes, I'm gonna say Roy, cause he was stronger mentally and wouldn't just melt.

I agree.

not just that,....Jones's dominance was far more to deal with than Tyson's was...but different.

If some of those early Tyson opponents would have just realized that after the first two or three rounds.....he discombobulated, then he would have shown more *****s early on.

Jones was just so damn fast and so much better than his opponent,...the only chance they would have ever had was landing the bomb on the sweet spot.

Jones was more unbeatable by far.

[Marc]

Jones. Physically more talented, mentally stronger.

[box03]

I agree.

not just that,....Jones's dominance was far more to deal with than Tyson's was...but different.

If some of those early Tyson opponents would have just realized that after the first two or three rounds.....he discombobulated, then he would have shown more *****s early on.

Jones was just so damn fast and so much better than his opponent,...the only chance they would have ever had was landing the bomb on the sweet spot.

Jones was more unbeatable by far. Its close in my opinion, but a good bit of fighters went past 2 or 3 rounds with a prime Tyson and still ended up losing badly.

[Goggz]

tyson was beat in his prime tho.........buster douglas!

[box03]

tyson was beat in his prime tho.........buster douglas! That fight happend after Kevin Rooney left, many would say tysons prime started in 86 and ended in 89.

[The Whaler]

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[El Bombasto]

While we're talking about their physical primes, I'm gonna say Roy, cause he was stronger mentally and wouldn't just melt.

jones lost in his prime, and it was due to a mental mistake......

[LennoxGOAT]

Tyson was beat all across the ring in his prime. So....

[Marnoff]

If some of those early Tyson opponents would have just realized that after the first two or three rounds.....he discombobulated, then he would have shown more *****s early on.

Tyson was very capable of winning decisions in his prime.

That said, probably Roy Jones was more unbeatable in his prime.

[unclepaulie]

Roy. it took him moving up and back down in weight to get beat. he wasnt the same after that. Tyson lost to a guy who no one gave a shot. at least roy lost to a legimate fighter who actually did something after he beat roy, unlike douglas

[Rickypr18]

jones lost in his prime, and it was due to a mental mistake......
Against who?? Cuz I didnt see that fight.

[the_what]

RJ went years without losing a round in a Championship fight. Not losing a fight but a round.

[Rickypr18]

Montell Griffin.
You can say he lost all you want but that was a DQ, so he never really lost in his prime.

[kg0208]

Montell Griffin.

Yah, and it counts. But I have always wondered the rule on that.

Can you take a voluntary knee in a fight where there is no standing 8 count?

[Rickypr18]

RJ went years without losing a round in a Championship fight. Not losing a fight but a round.
Love the avatar!:good

[KO Boxing]

What's the rule regarding hitting a fighter whilst their down? Is that an automatic disqualification? Or if Griffen could've continued, perhaps a 2 point deduction to Roy for the intentional foul and the fight should've continued?

I mean, Mills Lane let Tyson continue after the first bite...

[Marnoff]

You can say he lost all you want but that was a DQ, so he never really lost in his prime.

Well... it was a late hit, his title they had to take it. Why? I guess that's the only way he could lose. Don't worry though... five months later he needs his crown, gave him one shot and he sat down.

Basically, Roy cleared up the matter in a rematch.

[KO Boxing]

Well... it was a late hit, his title they had to take it. Why? I guess that's the only way he could lose. Don't worry though... five months later he needs his crown, gave him one shot and he sat down.

:lol: :good

Don't get him mad cause he's amped already... took titles from fighters who were champs already

[kg0208]

Yup, you can always take a knee in a boxing match. The standing 8 count rule has nothing to do with it.

Well either way, Griffin could have continued IMO. It was odd because I have seen similar fouls where points were taken, but the fight was allowed to go on.

[Rickypr18]

Well either way, Griffin could have continued IMO. It was odd because I have seen similar fouls where points were taken, but the fight was allowed to go on.
Yes, like the foul in the Barrera-Marquez fight. Only Marquez did not get KTFO by the foul punch.

[WhataRock]

Tyson got beaten in his prime
Jones did not.

End of discussion.

[Rickypr18]

Tyson got beaten in his prime
Jones did not.

End of discussion.
I second that.

[KhanB]

IMO the Griffen DQ shouldnt go againt Roy in this debate. The bottom line Griffin got his ass beat and nobody can ever say Griffin really had Roy's number. Roy just got carried away beating Griffins ass and didnt stop but he proved he was dominant in the rematch. Plus, Jones had a longer prime than Tyson since some people say Tyson was out of his prime when he lost to Douglas.

[Marnoff]

:lol: :good

Don't get him mad cause he's amped already... took titles from fighters who were champs already

You got that right.

[Marnoff]

Tyson got beaten in his prime
Jones did not.

End of discussion.

I would argue that Tyson wasn't in his prime when he lost to Douglas.

Tyson was like a fast burning star, he shone very brightly then faded just as quickly... and it all had to do with circumstances outside of the ring.

[KO Boxing]

You got that right.
Even though he delivers it well in the song, using "already" to rhyme with "already" doesn't particularly show great writing skills.

[kg0208]

Even though he delivers it well in the song, using "already" to rhyme with "already" doesn't particularly show great writing skills.

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[brooklyn1550]

Roy Jones, Jr.

[WhataRock]

I would argue that Tyson wasn't in his prime when he lost to Douglas.

Tyson was like a fast burning star, he shone very brightly then faded just as quickly... and it all had to do with circumstances outside of the ring.

That is possible.
But Tyson was 24 and was on a run of excellent wins. You dont just jump out of your prime just like that.

People try to justify Tyson's loss by saying he had problems outside the ring and he wasnt in his prime. Thats a bullshit excuse, even if it is true, you cant pick and choose when a fighters prime is.
They revere Tyson so much, they truly believe he was the best heavy ever just cause he was so devastating. And they feed this delusion with the belief that Tyson somehow magically sucumb to the ravages of old age and years of punishment at the ripe age of 24. Therefore it wasnt his fault he lost to Douglas, a "Prime" Tyson, of less then 2 years prior, would have torn through Douglas.
Very weak arguement if you ask me.

[El Bombasto]

Montell Griffin.

:yep

[El Bombasto]

Well either way, Griffin could have continued IMO. It was odd because I have seen similar fouls where points were taken, but the fight was allowed to go on.

your credibility is evaporating by the second

[kg0208]

your credibility is evaporating by the second
Whatever. Fighters have been hit when they were down before and the fighter was not DQ'd immediately. It's a true statement. I feel my credibility is fine. If it is evaporating with you, so be it.

[kg0208]

It all depends on the ref and on the severity of the foul. Some will elect to take just 1 point away, sometimes 2 if it's really bad, and if you fucked up bad enough then guess what? You're ass is getting DQed buddy.

Like I said it's all up to a ref's own discretion though, so what you might deem as not all that bad a foul the ref might think differently, and in the end our opinions don't matter for shit, his does.

Plus I'd like to add that it's excusable if you're in the process of throwing a punch when he's falling, but it doesn't land till he's officially down. It's hard to stop a punch once it's been thrown so a ref is suppossed to overlook it when that happens. Same kind of thing if you hit the guy after the bell. If you've already thrown a punch before the bell rings and then it lands the official will excuse the late hit.

I don't disagree with any of that. I merely pointed out that there have been similar instances where the fighter was no DQ'd.

I don't know what the hell the other poster was on about.

[PeterNielsen70]

That fight happend after Kevin Rooney left, many would say tysons prime started in 86 and ended in 89.

Agree - Tyson's prime was from 86-89...And at that time he was unbeatable. Even a prime Lewis would loose at this point in Tyson's career.

It's close - but I would say RR by a little, however...