This Kimbo Slice thing really pisses me off.

[rekcutnevets]

What was Kimbo doing choking Ray Mercer out like that? In an MMA bout for Christ's sake.

I reminds me of those minor league pitchers striking out Michael Jordan. Using pitches!!!! I bet they couldn't hang with Jordan on the basketball court.

What were the Dallas Mavericks thinking by not letting the great football cornerback, Deion Sanders, not play on their basketball team. I'd like to see Dirk try to catch a pass from a quarteback on the football field with Sanders covering him. Dirk would suck at that. What a loser.

This reminds me of the time world class wrestler, Mark Coleman, lost to ex kick boxing champion, Maurice Smith, in a MMA bout. I bet if they weren't allowed to strike, Coleman would have easily dealt with Smith. Especially on a wrestling mat. I can't believe they even let that joke, Smith, into the octagon knowing this. Smith can't wrestle with Coleman. This fight should have happened under wrestling rules, where it belonged.

[AJAX]

your an idiot!

[codeman99998]

Great post.

[Zakman]

your an idiot!

Kid, he's on YOUR side. THe whole thing is a sarcastic poke at those of us who think Kimbo basically pulled a bullshit move cause he could beat Mercer in a real fight. And they know it - mano a mano, punch for punch, Ray woulda starched this clown.

[Tuavale]

Fight sucked. Mercer couldn't stop take down. I would have loved a punch-out too but Kimbo was better trained for this event.

[codeman99998]

Kid, he's on YOUR side. THe whole thing is a sarcastic poke at those of us who think Kimbo basically pulled a bullshit move cause he could beat Mercer in a real fight. And they know it - mano a mano, punch for punch, Ray woulda starched this clown.

You are right about that. I absolutely, without a doubt, know that if it were a boxing match Ray Mercer would have beat up and KOd Kimbo. I agree with that 100%. I also agree that this win it isn't exactly going to help Kimbo's reputation as a streetpuncher.

Still, it was a pretty clear demonstration of what happens when a boxer tries to fight an MMA fight.

I ABSOLUTELY 100% agree that the opposite would have happened in a boxing match. Even if Kimbo was a very good MMA fighter, which he is not, he would have gotten beat up badly in a boxing match.

Can we all now agree that MMA fighters easily win over boxers in an MMA fight and boxers easily win over MMA fighters in a boxing match?

[ChampionsForever]

Kid, he's on YOUR side. THe whole thing is a sarcastic poke at those of us who think Kimbo basically pulled a bullshit move cause he could beat Mercer in a real fight. And they know it - mano a mano, punch for punch, Ray woulda starched this clown.

You were wrong, deal with it :patsch

[AJAX]

Kid, he's on YOUR side. THe whole thing is a sarcastic poke at those of us who think Kimbo basically pulled a bullshit move cause he could beat Mercer in a real fight. And they know it - mano a mano, punch for punch, Ray woulda starched this clown.

I didn't finish reading it, it sounded like you making up excuses, it get's old after a while, bottom line a street fighter easily exposed of a boxer in an open rules fight.

[Jazzo]

Kid, he's on YOUR side. THe whole thing is a sarcastic poke at those of us who think Kimbo basically pulled a bullshit move cause he could beat Mercer in a real fight. And they know it - mano a mano, punch for punch, Ray woulda starched this clown.
Zak - Ray Mercer KNEW the rules.

[AJAX]

Zak - Ray Mercer KNEW the rules.

wow Jazzo, that's the most productive post I 've seen from you yet, but he has blinders on and doesn't really understand the whole point of it.

[boxingcar]

I posted this in the other mercer thread and peopl think this
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You bitches have no respect for any other forms of combat disciplines and are ready to call a legend of this sport a bum...It's the general mentality here. You guys are living in denial.

[robert ungurean]

:good Kid, he's on YOUR side. THe whole thing is a sarcastic poke at those of us who think Kimbo basically pulled a bullshit move cause he could beat Mercer in a real fight. And they know it - mano a mano, punch for punch, Ray woulda starched this clown.:good

[unitas]

whats with this kimbo??? if he wants to fight mma..........let him fight an mma fighter, not some 45 year old boxer who knows nothing about mma.

if he wants to box, fight a guy his age, like vladimir virchis.

but quit this "streetfighter fighting boxer under MMA rules" BULLSHIT!!!

[oblate]

What was Kimbo doing choking Ray Mercer out like that? In an MMA bout for Christ's sake.

I reminds me of those minor league pitchers striking out Michael Jordan. Using pitches!!!! I bet they couldn't hang with Jordan on the basketball court.

What were the Dallas Mavericks thinking by not letting the great football cornerback, Deion Sanders, not play on their basketball team. I'd like to see Dirk try to catch a pass from a quarteback on the football field with Sanders covering him. Dirk would suck at that. What a loser.

This reminds me of the time world class wrestler, Mark Coleman, lost to ex kick boxing champion, Maurice Smith, in a MMA bout. I bet if they weren't allowed to strike, Coleman would have easily dealt with Smith. Especially on a wrestling mat. I can't believe they even let that joke, Smith, into the octagon knowing this. Smith can't wrestle with Coleman. This fight should have happened under wrestling rules, where it belonged.
wow what the hell. the coleman/smith scenario that you brought up is ridiculous. Coleman was aloud to use wrestling in the mma bout but was unsuccessful. he wasn't limited and neither was smith so i don't know what the hell your talking about.

[acb]

It doesnt mean nothing like many suggest, it means somthing. I think as boxing fans we could be honest and say shit, I thought he was going to KO this streetfighter but he didnt.

Its not a total indictment on boxing, as Mercer is 46 years old, but damm we should conceed that it wasnt a great night for the sweet science. :oops:

[brooklyn1550]

Its made me upset: it will piss me off hearing more and more about MMA and more of this Kimbo Slice bullshit. I hate when people talk bad about boxing.

Kimbo should have an exhibition in the ring against Samuel Peter or Lamon Brewster - totally unfair for Kimbo, but I can't stand the guy.

[Bigcat]

Ray in 1991 would have smashed his way through a hardwood door and taken anyones shots flush doing it.......

Nowadays Ray is a shadow of his former self.. He is a good guy to keep in the game even at amateur level, he has so much to give, yet just can't bring himself to hang em up.....

[Beebs]

I hope someone posts that bum getting KO'd on Youtube

Oh, they will, you can count on it!!

Kimbo of course, to be any sort of champion even just at domestic level you have to be something special and Mercer gave Lennox Lewis a run for his money way back when, he is pretty old now and if Kimbo has learned to grapple he may do ok because of the age advantage (i doubt it), Kimbo's defence is so non-existent that Mercer will catch him at will, the power is the last thing to go.

Mercer is going to fucking batter Kimbo. As soon as Mercer lands flush with his power, Kimbo will be on the deck!

I wouldn't even give that clown that much credit. Mercer is gonna embarass him. It's amatuer vs. pro night, and it's gonna show.

I am desperate for ray to win. dont worry boxing fans ray is gonna hurt him bad

Exactly. I think Ray will make very short work of this bozo, VERY short work.






:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :rofl
Own it faggots, you knew how old Mercer was when you were talking all that shit, he didn't suddenly turn 46, you thought a 46 year old ex boxer would win just because he is a boxer, don't fucking cop out on it now, man up and gain back a little respect. Randy Couture is 44 for the record.



Looks like you need to know more than just boxing, even if the other guy has only been training MMA for 6 months. I guess you can't just automatically avoid a takedown with footwork, or strength, or even 1 punch KO power.:think Hell, he wasn't even winning that fight on the feet, a few more knees and he was done.



I'm a huge boxing fan, thats why I came here, for the classic forum, where people understand boxing and fighting in general, but idiots like you make me love rubbing this shit in.

[brooklyn1550]

people on youtube think that kimbo can beat Fedor......some peple are funny

Fedor would destroy Kimbo Slice. Bob Sapp would have beaten Kimbo Slice.

[brooklyn1550]

I'm a huge boxing fan, thats why I came here, for the classic forum, where people understand boxing and fighting in general, but idiots like you make me love rubbing this shit in.

There are a lot of posters here who have real fighting experience and understand the sport of boxing and fighting in general.

[Bigcat]

He ia a very good guy with youngsters , he could make a great role model for uncoming young heavyweights..

He had a youth programm for inner city youths in the early 90's called Project Pride..

He could save a lot of young men from the streets .............

[RAMPAGE0017]

It doesnt mean nothing like many suggest, it means somthing. I think as boxing fans we could be honest and say shit, I thought he was going to KO this streetfighter but he didnt.

Its not a total indictment on boxing, as Mercer is 46 years old, but damm we should conceed that it wasnt a great night for the sweet science. :oops:


I understand where you're coming from, because I'm bothered by it, too.. not so much because he got subbed, but more or less because Kimbo was smart enough to immediately try to take Mercer down.

Kimbo was always so high on himself in his street fight videos, INSISTING that the fights be strictly stand-up, with punches only. As a matter of fact, when Kimbo was fighting that UFC guy, and the guy kept trying to put him in headlocks, I remember Kimbo's butt-hurt little followers kept jumping in, and telling the guy that grappling wasn't allowed. Then in a rather laughable case of irony.. as soon as Kimbo faces Mercer, someone who he KNOWS can probably murder him standing up.. he immediately takes it to the ground. :roll:

[Beebs]

There are a lot of posters here who have real fighting experience and understand the sport of boxing and fighting in general.

Yea, but they aren't the ones I'm talking to, the ones I'm talking to are the ones I quoted, and they are poster children for back alley abortions.

[brooklyn1550]

He could save a lot of young men from the streets .............

I would much rather him do that than continue fighting

[Beebs]

I would much rather him do that than continue fighting

Why? He looked pretty good for a guy in his first fight, and all of his trainers spoke very highly of him as a fighter and a person.

[acb]

I understand where you're coming from, because I'm bothered by it, too.. not so much because he got subbed, but more or less because Kimbo was smart enough to immediately try to take Mercer down.

Kimbo was always so high on himself in his street fight videos, INSISTING that the fights be strictly stand-up, with punches only. As a matter of fact, when Kimbo was fighting that UFC guy, and the guy kept trying to put him in headlocks, I remember Kimbo's butt-hurt little followers kept jumping in, and telling the guy that grappling wasn't allowed. Then in a rather laughable case of irony.. as soon as Kimbo faces Mercer, someone who he KNOWS can probably murder him standing up.. he immediately takes it to the ground. :roll:

Yea but its fair game. Those are the rules they fought under, what they both agreed to.

[rekcutnevets]

Oblate, it is nothing about limitations. A lot of people keep saying that if they fought with boxing rules, Mercer would have wone. I don't know why this is even being brought up. This was not a boxing match, nor was it supposed to be.

Coleman is a world class, free style, wrestler. If he faced Smith in a freestyle wrestling match, Coleman would win with ease. I was being sarcastic. It is pointless, because Coleman and Smith fought an MMA bout.

[RAMPAGE0017]

Yea but its fair game. Those are the rules they fought under, what they both agreed to.


Like I said, Kimbo was smart for doing it.. which is why I'm so bitter about it. :lol:

[Cookie]

I understand where you're coming from, because I'm bothered by it, too.. not so much because he got subbed, but more or less because Kimbo was smart enough to immediately try to take Mercer down.

Kimbo was always so high on himself in his street fight videos, INSISTING that the fights be strictly stand-up, with punches only. As a matter of fact, when Kimbo was fighting that UFC guy, and the guy kept trying to put him in headlocks, I remember Kimbo's butt-hurt little followers kept jumping in, and telling the guy that grappling wasn't allowed. Then in a rather laughable case of irony.. as soon as Kimbo faces Mercer, someone who he KNOWS can probably murder him standing up.. he immediately takes it to the ground. :roll:

Kimbo also insists on not fighting any pro fighters. He knows his limitations. He says he'll fight anyone, but no pros in his street fights.

In this case he decided to fight a pro boxer in an MMA fight. Everyone knew the rules and still picked Mercer to KO him right away. But Kimbo fucking mauled Mercer and beat his ass with punches, knees, and finally a choke. So to bitch about the rules now is just petty. I don't understand the insecurity.

[brooklyn1550]

Why? He looked pretty good for a guy in his first fight, and all of his trainers spoke very highly of him as a fighter and a person.

He's well into his 40s, he is a shell of his former self, he can't compete with the top heavyweights right now, and he can't compete at a high level in MMA. I don't want to see Mercer take any more punishment than he has to and I want to see him be able to function properly at an advanced age. Mercer should do something productive with his life than he can get satisfaction from and younger kids can benefit from.

[Beebs]

Kid, he's on YOUR side. THe whole thing is a sarcastic poke at those of us who think Kimbo basically pulled a bullshit move cause he could beat Mercer in a real fight. And they know it - mano a mano, punch for punch, Ray woulda starched this clown.

How is a fight with more rules more real? You are just an idiot, first you bump your fucking gums about how mercer is going to kill this guy, then you whine about his age, then you dismiss it because it wasn't only punching. Well guess what fuckwad, you knew his age before the fight, and you knew what kind of fight it was, and you were still so arrogant to think that all he would have to do is box to win.

[RAMPAGE0017]

Kimbo also insists on not fighting any pro fighters. He knows his limitations. He says he'll fight anyone, but no pros in his street fights.

In this case he decided to fight a pro boxer in an MMA fight. Everyone knew the rules and still picked Mercer to KO him right away. But Kimbo fucking mauled Mercer and beat his ass with punches, knees, and finally a choke. So to bitch about the rules now is just petty. I don't understand the insecurity.


Numbnuts, nobody is bitching about the rules. In fact, I admitted Kimbo used the smartest tactic.

He beat his ass with punches, and knees? Kimbo stood with Mercer for about 20 seconds before taking him back down again. Be sensible.

And I didn't pick Mercer to KO him right away, so telling me what everyone else said is meaningless.

And BTW.. that UFC guy he fought wasn't a pro.

[Beebs]

whats with this kimbo??? if he wants to fight mma..........let him fight an mma fighter, not some 45 year old boxer who knows nothing about mma.

if he wants to box, fight a guy his age, like vladimir virchis.

but quit this "streetfighter fighting boxer under MMA rules" BULLSHIT!!!

Mercer wanted to fight, he approached the owners of the oranization and asked them to get him a fight, Kimbo was the perfect matchup marketing wise, and it was both of their first fights. Mercer has nobody to blame but himself for not learning the other aspects of the game.

[Beebs]

He's well into his 40s, he is a shell of his former self, he can't compete with the top heavyweights right now, and he can't compete at a high level in MMA. I don't want to see Mercer take any more punishment than he has to and I want to see him be able to function properly at an advanced age. Mercer should do something productive with his life than he can get satisfaction from and younger kids can benefit from.

Oh, I thought you ment Kimbo, I agree about Mercer.

[Cookie]

Numbnuts, nobody is bitching about the rules. In fact, I admitted Kimbo used the smartest tactic.

He beat his ass with punches, and knees? Kimbo stood with Mercer for about 20 seconds before taking him back down again. Be sensible.

And I didn't pick Mercer to KO him right away, so telling me what everyone else said is meaningless.

I wasn't speaking exclusively to you, you ansty bastard. I was addressing your point, which is shared by many. Keep your hair on.

[brooklyn1550]

Oh, I thought you ment Kimbo, I agree about Mercer.

:good I think Kimbo should continue to fight. How do you think he could in MMA if he continues to learn and improve?

[Feiti]

Mercer knew what he was doing. It was his own decision to fight MMA. Neither Kimbo nor Mercer could be that good at MMA. This was a high profile "spectacle" fight, using Mercer´s and Kimbo´s fame to attract some dollars in revenue.

They wouldn´t put Kimbo in there with a great MMA fighter, because he´d get whupped, thus ruining his drawing power.

I do believe boxers can do well in MMA, but they need to get well prepared first, learn grappling / submissions / takedown defence etc. in order to have any chance in there.

I think in general that superb athletes can change sports and do well, if they get enough time to adapt and learn the proper skills.

[RAMPAGE0017]

I wasn't speaking exclusively to you, you ansty bastard. I was addressing your point, which is shared by many. Keep your hair on.


Well.. it's a valid point. That UFC guy wasn't a pro, and as soon as he even tried putting Kimbo in a headlock his bitches cried foul.

[boxingcar]

It doesnt mean nothing like many suggest, it means somthing. I think as boxing fans we could be honest and say shit, I thought he was going to KO this streetfighter but he didnt.

Its not a total indictment on boxing, as Mercer is 46 years old, but damm we should conceed that it wasnt a great night for the sweet science. :oops:

same thing happened to the HW Matt skelton
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different sport...

[acb]

I wasn't speaking exclusively to you, you ansty bastard.

Everyone chill out, this has been a traumatic day for boxing, the worst thing we can do turn on ourselves. :nono

[acb]

why did it bother you. kimbo is younger and hungrier(still a bum), and mercer is an old worn out in it for the paycheck bum who though he was gonna be in a boxing match. i didn't even see the match but from what i heard kimbo beat him to to the punch and did better standing(that goe sto show you that mercer is just happy being a punching bag). a young mercer would of whooped him.

It bothers me, because at any age, I want to believe that a ex heavy weight contender can beat a street fighter who made himself famous by fighting bumbs in back yards.

[pipe wrenched]

Atleast no one got hurt too bad. But it would be cool to see Kimbo take on Ray now under Queensbury rules. Ah well.

[boxingcar]

It bothers me, because at any age, I want to believe that a ex heavy weight contender can beat a street fighter who made himself famous by fighting bumbs in back yards.

It wasn't a streetfight nor a boxing fight. Kimbo wasn't even trying to knock him out , He just followed a safe gameplan , got Mercer on the ground and that was it.

I would've been pissed if Kimbo would've Koed mercer under boxing rules though.

[AJAX]

it just shows how easy it is to take a boxer out of his element and beat him.

[acb]

mercer i bet didnt even train for the fight. he went in there hoping he might win but probably expecting to lose(and he's fine with that). if this loss happened to a real mma fighter than thats one thing but losing to a some street fighting bum is kind of embarrasing(considering ray was once a pro at the top of his game).

Yea true, I would expect if from a top MMA fighter. Just bothers me because I have idiot friends who have said stuff to me like, could Kimbo take Tyson? And I explain the virtues of the sweet science to them, and tell them to tune in for this example, and this happens. :fire :twisted: :oops:

[acb]

I would've been pissed if Kimbo would've Koed mercer under boxing rules though.

Dude if this would have taken place I wouldnt have gone to work. :deal

[boxingcar]

Yea true, I would expect if from a top MMA fighter. Just bothers me because I have idiot friends who have said stuff to me like, could Kimbo take Tyson? And I explain the virtues of the sweet science to them, and tell them to tune in for this example, and this happens. :fire :twisted: :oops:

again , take a good look...this is an elite mma fighter.
This shit ain't streetfighting..it ain't boxing..nor kickboxing...
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sweetscience is all good but this is a totally different sport.

[rekcutnevets]

Anyone who fights MMA is and MMA fighter. Just like anyone who boxes is a boxer. It doesn't mean they're high caliber if they do it, but they are what they are anyway.

I thought Ray would have an easy fight against Kimbo. I bet on him. I give Kimbo credit. Kimbo trained with Bas Rutten, and commited to learning how to fight in the MMA environment. Kimbo is now an MMA fighter. I don't know how good he will go on to be, but he showed that he has broadened himself as a fighter. He used punches, elbows, knees, and submission tactics in last night's fight. If that is not being an MMA fighter, it looked damn close to being one.

[boxingcar]

so whats your point?

The point is that Mercer lost a MMA fight. Not a street fight , not a kickboxing or boxing fight.

And even though Kimbo is an absolute nobody in the MMA scene , it doesn't change shit. Kimbo trained several weeks before the fight. He had a gameplan.

He did learned some basics. Nothing special but enough to stop mercer from imposing a boxing lesson on his ass.

The point is...why should we be pissed by this?
I was rooting for Mercer but it's not the end of the world.
Mercer didn't lost inside a boxing ring...his fight had nothing to do with boxing.

[demzor]

It shows that this theory many boxing fans have that a boxer will be able to just KO anyone in MMA with their "golden fists" is complete bullshit.

[acb]

It shows that this theory many boxing fans have that a boxer will be able to just KO anyone in MMA with their "golden fists" is complete bullshit.

I never suscribed to that theory.

[scurlaruntings]

It doesnt mean nothing like many suggest, it means somthing. I think as boxing fans we could be honest and say shit, I thought he was going to KO this streetfighter but he didnt.

Its not a total indictment on boxing, as Mercer is 46 years old, but damm we should conceed that it wasnt a great night for the sweet science. :oops:Dude and say this once in in caps IT WAS NOT A BOXING MATCH! IT WAS MMA!!!!

[codeman99998]

It bothers me that people are saying that Mercer might win a "street fight".

A street fight has no rules, as such, an MMA fight is a far better representation of what would happen in a street fight than a boxing match.

[badger6]

mercer-kimbo had nothing to do with mma or boxing. it was all about the money and hype. were not talking top level wrestler vs top lever boxer, it was a bum vs a has been prostitute.

If it was a top level MMA vs a top level boxer, its clear that a boxer is at a severe disadvantage. As a boxer you just can't stop a person from covering up and rushing in. The boxer has one, maybe two shots at a punch before they are locked up and either thrown or slammed to the canvas. Then the match is pretty much over.

[Boinko]

Yeesh, yet another thread where people keep spouting "Yah but if it was a boxing match, the boxer would have won easy."
For fucks sakes, even the most die hard MMA fans generally agree with that.
I'm under absolutely no delusion that a world class MMA guy would stand a chance against a world class boxer in a boxing match.

But, IT WASN'T A BOXING MATCH!!

If that was unfair to Mercer, then he never should have agreed to participate.

If a MMA guy agreed to fight a world class boxer in a boxing match and then gets his ass kicked how would you feel if his fans complained it wasn't fair because he was restricted by boxing rules. You'd tell them to shut the fuck up as their fighter was dumb enough to agree to a boxing match.
Well, Mercer agreed to fight with MMA rules, and he lost because of it. He has nobody to blame but himself.

Of course, ultimately this doesn't prove much as neither Mercer or Kimbo are elite in their field.

[younghypnotiq]

only thing that pissesm off is sayiing that a streetfighter wil win. the guy was 50 comeon. klitchko woould kill kimbo in an MMA fight

[Boinko]

he lost because he didnt train and essentially prostituted himself for a paycheck. he didnt not lose because of MMA rules. kimbo is just a bum with a couple of months training(he's not a real MMA fighter). if this was a prime mercer who actually gave a shit about anything, he would of whooped kimbo(mma training or not).

Well, if that's true I have no sympathy for Mercer. The same way I have no sympathy for a boxer who loses because he didn't train properly.

And actually he did lose because of MMA rules because he was submitted by choke, which is something that is allowed in MMA and not boxing.

[goldnarms]

he lost because he didnt train and essentially prostituted himself for a paycheck. he didnt not lose because of MMA rules. kimbo is just a bum with a couple of months training(he's not a real MMA fighter). if this was a prime mercer who actually gave a shit about anything, he would of whooped kimbo(mma training or not).

Only if he took the time to learn basic ground fighing. If not, he would lose again.

[Zakman]

Atleast no one got hurt too bad. But it would be cool to see Kimbo take on Ray now under Queensbury rules. Ah well.

Yeah, let's see that clown try to take on Mercer in the squared circle and see how well he does! :nod

[Hank]

Mercer took the fight, he should have known what he was in for. Maybe he did not care, just wanted money. In boxing, or even with Kimbo allowed to kick, Mercer knocks him silly. As long as Kimbo does not try to claim he is better boxer, I have no complaints.

[boxingcar]

no he wouldnt. even without basic ground fighting, mercer whips him in his prime. ray didnt lose because kimbo was a better fighter, he lost because he essentially got paid to lose. mercer is a fighting prostitute(has been for a while).

No that's not it.
Ray lost because He was clueless during the takedown.

Only difference between Him and Kimbo is that the other guy had some basics in wrestling.

Prime Mercer , old Mercer...doesn't change anything..
Prime Tyson , Prime Lennox , Prime Klitschko , Foreman , Bowe or whatever...

Doesn't change anything as long as fighter A is convinced that he's automatically gonna magically KO all his opponents with a single punch.

In real life , it doesn't work that way.
Doesn't matter if you're the deadliest striker on the planet.

but tons of people have a very hard time understanding that.
It's a very simple logic though.

[Nuke]

Zakman your whiney crying is more of an embarrassment to boxing then the fight(which I don't think is embarrassing to boxing at all) Its not like Kimbo kidnapped Ray and forced him to fight under mma rules. Ray is a grown man and made the desicion to fight mma. Are you totally retarded or something? BOXING IS NOT MIXED MARTIAL ARTS, I don't know how to break it down for you any easier.

[PIRA]

Yeah, let's see that clown try to take on Mercer in the squared circle and see how well he does! :nod

HaHaHaHa!

I told you Zakman - and you and The Model look like whiny little fan boys saying "its not fair".

Face it - your once world ranked boxer got owned fast by a nobody and proved how limited your view is and how you cannot rely on boxing alone.


As for the squared circle challenge - allow elbows, knees, stand up grappling, throws and punches (you know all the techniques that are in unlicenced boxing but have been removed from the sport you know because they are too dangerous) and your unbeatable boxer would face the same outcome.

Vive la choke!!!!

[Nuke]

Here is prime Lennox getting chucked around by Jeremy Williams


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If you don't know how to stop takedowns or throws punching power is almost nullified, ALMOST I said, so don't got crazy guys.

[PIRA]

no he wouldnt. even without basic ground fighting, mercer whips him in his prime. ray didnt lose because kimbo was a better fighter, he lost because he essentially got paid to lose. mercer is a fighting prostitute(has been for a while).

What a joke you are. Go find the next bandwagon to jump off and make excuses.

The only part you got right was that Mercer did not lose because Kimbo is a better fighter......Mercer lost becuase he was an unprepared fighter.

Imagine Couture versus Mercer......a really skilled and talented MMA fighter.:yikes

[PIRA]

your actually stupid enough to believe this was a fight in which both combatants gave a shit.

No, I am actually happy enough to see chumps like yourself try and weasel your way via any excuse that you have no idea what you are talking about.

[Nuke]

What would you say if Mercer won?



Better yet would you accept the excuse that Kimbo was paid to lose?

[Nuke]

You have facts to back up your claim Mercer took a dive? Show us!

[PIRA]

im not on any bandwagon, im just trying to derail the kimbo bandwagon. this fight was a complete farce. what excuse(just facts). dumb people believe everything they see,

It was a farce but what is more farcial is you boxing fanboys crying about it.

If it did not matter why post so much about it?


And on an MMA forum no less! :rofl :rofl :rofl

[Drexl]

It was a farce but what is more farcial is you boxing fanboys crying about it.

If it did not matter why post so much about it?


And on an MMA forum no less! :rofl :rofl :rofl


Errr.... this thread started off on the BOXING forum, and there is still a link to it there. :roll:


On to the topic, Kimbo did what I would expect him to do against a fat 46 year old. Am I supposed to be impressed? :huh

[The Whaler]

Kimbo needs to take his career to the next step....

Kimbo vs. Butterbean! I'll take your bets now!

[boxingcar]

slaps myself on the forhead:patsch

mercer does not lose to kimbo anywhere in his prime. a prime mercer take kimbo's basic 2 months wrestling skills and shoves them up his ass. are you really ignorant enough to beleive that a top fighter would lose to some bum with basic wrestling skills. mercer was paid to lose just like he was paid to lose in k-1, dont you get that.

Yes , I do realise that He's a "bum" (who'd probably demolish you btw).
But you are clearly delusional if you are persuaded that a prime Mercer would magically beat a guy who's got a better (even if it's a vague one) , knowledge in wrestling.

THE SAME THING would happen.

IT ISN'T BOXING. Kimbo would ONCE AGAIN , rush towards his opponent , and the ref wouldn't seperate them during the clinch.

and the rest would be history...instant takedown , Mercer is on the ground & game over.

The same thing would happen against EVERY FUCKING BOXERS.

It would be a huge fucking reality check if Mayweather vs Sherk would actually happen. HUGE , and hopefully , it'll never happen because it would be unfair to see boxing's #1 P4P , getting easily taken on the ground and punched into a coma , or instantly armbared , or choked out.

Kimbo learning a few tricks is one thing...but a veteran wrestler , even a one dimensional wrestler...against a boxer with no basics , not even a strict minimum in either wrestling or bjj...would ONLY have a miracle puncher's chance.

In other words , to try to land a punch so brutal , that it would instantly ko his opponent out cold. and THAT my friend...is extremely RARE.

Not even Tua could do it vs Ruiz. doesn't matter if they have 4 oz gloves especially when a guy is attacking your legs.
Do you even train in real life?
do you realise how absurd this is?

and the lower you have to reach , the less power you have too.

[boxingcar]

It was a farce but what is more farcial is you boxing fanboys crying about it.

If it did not matter why post so much about it?


And on an MMA forum no less! :rofl :rofl :rofl

Because the guy clearly can't stand the fact that some streetfighter with a few weeks of training in wrestling , was able to totally nullify a boxing legend's game.

Which is frankly stupid because it's not like Mercer was fighting under boxing rules. but most boxing fans have a hard time swallowing that pill.

To them , the scenario is supposed to go like this:
- Boxer enters the cage
- wrestler , judoka or bjj artist goes for a takedown
- boxer lands a single punch..
- obviously catches the guy right on the chin
- instantly KOed
- game over after 10 or 20 seconds..

[Dostoevsky]

This is quite a rarity in MMA.
When ever a fighter loses there are always calls of "fix" "fix"!!
Since those claims are completley unsubstaniated and unprovable i would recommend the people claiming it to be a fix should....shut the fuck up.

Prime MMA fighter > Prime Boxer

Boxers really have no idea how to grapple or fight on the ground an MMA fighter would take any boxer down and easily sumbit him,choke him out or simply ground and pound him into unconciousness.
It would be over in under a minute.
That goes for any boxer Dempsey,Marciano,Liston,Ali,Frazier,Foreman,Tyson,Lewis

All those great boxers would be defeated easily against a trained MMA fighter....or even a trined wrestler or BJJ practioner.

[iksrtfo]

You guys can't be serious.

Mercer no matter what age was light years ahead of Kimbo as far as skill. If he was 13 years older that is 13 years of experience. He also had some wrestling experience. On paper he should have won this fight. Every non-mma fan who does not under stand mma and only understands a fight between two boxers thought Kimbo was going to get starched. Not one of you was mentioning Mercer's age being a factor.

Now you all hate on Kimbo saying this was a farce and Mercer didn't train. Are you grown ups? I can't believe that grown men can't accept being wrong. Kimbo was the underdog. He should not have one. He has 1% of the handskill as Mercer and just started training MMA. This was a huge fight for him and a huge test. Now you guys want to act like Kimbo should have beaten a shot Mercer. Kimbo is an F level fighter if that. He can't beat any UFC fighter in his weight class.

Mercer may not have been the best but he was at least a good boxer that no one thought a nobody was going to beat. Boxing is not fighting, it is a part of fighting.

[Drexl]

Not one of you was mentioning Mercer's age being a factor.

Not one of us?

Are you sure about that??? :think




:roll:

[iksrtfo]

Not one of us?

Are you sure about that??? :think




:roll:

Well to be honest I was generlizing.

[iksrtfo]

Damn, I just watched it and Kimbo really owned Mercer. Part of the problem is , IMHO, I doubt Mercer ever had a boxing match that went at the pace of street fight. He probably thought that he could come out and establish a job and there would be a pattern. Mercer was getting rained on with body shots and had no answer for them.

I have trianed boxing and MMA. I currently train in boxing for the third time in my life. In boxing there are patterns to find and establish. This does not exist in MMA.

Kimbo has the tools to succeed in MMA but he has a long way to go. He has an explosive pace, power, speed, and decent hands.

[USMCGixxer6]

I didn't finish reading it, it sounded like you making up excuses, it get's old after a while, bottom line a street fighter easily exposed of a boxer in an open rules fight.

haha, MMA isnt open rules, you fucking retard. It aint close to a street fight. Also it was obvious that Mercer didnt do any cross training or even try to get in shape. Most 31 year olds will beat most 46 year olds in any athletic event.

Obviously someone who uses pure boxing in an MMA fight isnt going to do to well...

[USMCGixxer6]

You guys can't be serious.

Mercer no matter what age was light years ahead of Kimbo as far as skill. If he was 13 years older that is 13 years of experience. He also had some wrestling experience. On paper he should have won this fight. Every non-mma fan who does not under stand mma and only understands a fight between two boxers thought Kimbo was going to get starched. Not one of you was mentioning Mercer's age being a factor.

Now you all hate on Kimbo saying this was a farce and Mercer didn't train. Are you grown ups? I can't believe that grown men can't accept being wrong. Kimbo was the underdog. He should not have one. He has 1% of the handskill as Mercer and just started training MMA. This was a huge fight for him and a huge test. Now you guys want to act like Kimbo should have beaten a shot Mercer. Kimbo is an F level fighter if that. He can't beat any UFC fighter in his weight class.

Mercer may not have been the best but he was at least a good boxer that no one thought a nobody was going to beat. Boxing is not fighting, it is a part of fighting.

Can you strike to the back of the head in MMA? Eye gouge? Strike the spine? Knee a downed opponent in the USA? Low blow? Bite? Grab fingers?

Yup, NEWSFLASH GENIUS, MMA ISNT CLOSE TO REAL FIGHTING

[iksrtfo]

Can you strike to the back of the head in MMA? Eye gouge? Strike the spine? Knee a downed opponent in the USA? Low blow? Bite? Grab fingers?

Yup, NEWSFLASH GENIUS, MMA ISNT CLOSE TO REAL FIGHTING

:-( Man I hate when assholes like you call me out on a post. How many fights have you seen at the bar with eye gouging? Who the fuck throw a punch to the spine? Low blows? Every hear of Joe Son? Knee a downed opponet in the USA? Are you retarded? I know it happens but still. So you are saying two guys punching, kicking, and wrestling is no where near a real fight.

So I can run up on some-one, kick them, punch them in the face , then do a take down and when the cops pull up and try to arrest me I can say "I wasn't REALLY fighting, I just punched and kicked. I never punched to the back of the head or eye gouged".

Nice logic ass clown. MMA is closer to real fight than boxing. It is as close as you are going to get.

[iksrtfo]

haha, MMA isnt open rules, you fucking retard. It aint close to a street fight. Also it was obvious that Mercer didnt do any cross training or even try to get in shape. Most 31 year olds will beat most 46 year olds in any athletic event.

Obviously someone who uses pure boxing in an MMA fight isnt going to do to well...

Ever hear of Randy Couture? You need to learn about MMA before you go running your dick sucker about it.

[USMCGixxer6]

:-( Man I hate when assholes like you call me out on a post. How many fights have you seen at the bar with eye gouging? Who the fuck throw a punch to the spine? Low blows? Every hear of Joe Son? Knee a downed opponet in the USA? Are you retarded? I know it happens but still. So you are saying two guys punching, kicking, and wrestling is no where near a real fight.

So I can run up on some-one, kick them, punch them in the face , then do a take down and when the cops pull up and try to arrest me I can say "I wasn't REALLY fighting, I just punched and kicked. I never punched to the back of the head or eye gouged".

Nice logic ass clown. MMA is closer to real fight than boxing. It is as close as you are going to get.

i never said boxing was close to a real fight, I just hate MMA fanboys like yourself start throwing the real fighting card out there. Not close to a streetfight, and ive seen many fights that result in biting and gouges to the eyes.

Im an MMA fan too, I just dont fall into the blind Dana White following like yourself.

They are both combat sports, but very different. Being good in one doesnt mean you will be good in another. Also you douchesque MMA fanboys want to see a boxer just go and try to box in an MMA fight? Why is that? All the sudden Kermit Cintron calls out Dana and you MMA fanboys are saying that wouldnt be boxing, because he trained wrestling too?

Fuckin Clown

[USMCGixxer6]

Ever hear of Randy Couture? You need to learn about MMA before you go running your dick sucker about it.

ever hear of the word most? That doesnt mean all.


Comparing the shape that a 43 year old Couture was in vs a 46 year old Ray Mercer is ridiculous. Randy also was competing in the sport that he has been doing for years, not learning something else. HUH Genius.

I know more about MMA than you do, Im jsut able to take the MMA goggles off.

[iksrtfo]

i never said boxing was close to a real fight, I just hate MMA fanboys like yourself start throwing the real fighting card out there. Not close to a streetfight, and ive seen many fights that result in biting and gouges to the eyes.

Im an MMA fan too, I just dont fall into the blind Dana White following like yourself.

They are both combat sports, but very different. Being good in one doesnt mean you will be good in another. Also you douchesque MMA fanboys want to see a boxer just go and try to box in an MMA fight? Why is that? All the sudden Kermit Cintron calls out Dana and you MMA fanboys are saying that wouldnt be boxing, because he trained wrestling too?

Fuckin Clown

You don't know anything about me. I like both boxing and MMA have trained both and currently just train boxing because I find it more fun.
I don't know why I am trying to explain this because I am sure you will not understand it.

People like me who are fans of both get pissed at people boxing fans who think a boxer could just..........never mind you are obviously retarded and typing by blowing into some contraption on your powered wheel chair. I might as well try to explain physics to my five year old son.

You don't get it and never will. I take you as serious as I do viciousboxer77.

[Dostoevsky]

I agree with iksrtfo.
Although not entirely a street fight, MMA resembles what a street fight looks like far more than boxing does.

[USMCGixxer6]

You don't know anything about me. I like both boxing and MMA have trained both and currently just train boxing because I find it more fun.
I don't know why I am trying to explain this because I am sure you will not understand it.

People like me who are fans of both get pissed at people boxing fans who think a boxer could just..........never mind you are obviously retarded and typing by blowing into some contraption on your powered wheel chair. I might as well try to explain physics to my five year old son.

You don't get it and never will. I take you as serious as I do viciousboxer77.

Because I called you out on a statement that you made, which I was corect on, and now you cant take me serious? HAHA

Like I said, I am a fan of MMA as well, and I have to defend it against boxing idiots as well. I also have to defend boxing from MMA idiots as well.

Where have I ever said Boxer X will kill any MMA guy in MMA match? I think if you take a world class boxer and give him a year or more of wrestling and BJJ, I think they could dominate. But thats another story.



But since you cant state any facts in your arguments, go to hell.

Just to let you know one more time.


MMA ISNT STREET FIGHTING

just making sure it sinks into your tiny little brain.

[USMCGixxer6]

I agree with iksrtfo.
Although not entirely a street fight, MMA resembles what a street fight looks like far more than boxing does.

and when did I ever say boxing looks more like a steetfight than MMA does?







Why do you MMA clowns always go after boxing? What about Muay Thai or pure BJJ or Judo?

[Dostoevsky]

Why do you MMA clowns always go after boxing? What about Muay Thai or pure BJJ or Judo?


Because this thread has become a MMA vs boxing thread not a MMA vs "insert other combat sport here" thread

You say that your a MMA fan as well but the way you refer to MMA fans as "MMA clowns" makes me think your lying.

[iksrtfo]

Because I called you out on a statement that you made, which I was corect on, and now you cant take me serious? HAHA

Like I said, I am a fan of MMA as well, and I have to defend it against boxing idiots as well. I also have to defend boxing from MMA idiots as well.

Where have I ever said Boxer X will kill any MMA guy in MMA match? I think if you take a world class boxer and give him a year or more of wrestling and BJJ, I think they could dominate. But thats another story.



But since you cant state any facts in your arguments, go to hell.

Just to let you know one more time.


MMA ISNT STREET FIGHTING

just making sure it sinks into your tiny little brain.

MMA is not street fighting but it is as close as you can get. If you were going to train for a street fight what would you train with? MMA or boxing? A MMA fighter is going to beat any street fighter of the same size. I don't have an argument to back up. I don't even know what you are talking about.

If the boxer took a year
or BJJ then he would be a MMA fighter not a boxer anymore, you retard.

You actually posted "HAHA" like Reqium does, what a tool.
requim impersonation:
hahahhahahhahahahhahahhahahahhahahhahahahhaha haters hahhahahahhahahhahhahahhahhaahahahahhahahahahahahaahhahahhahhahahahahhaha

[scurlaruntings]

MMA is not street fighting but it is as close as you can get. If you were going to train for a street fight what would you train with? MMA or boxing? A MMA fighter is going to beat any street fighter of the same size. I don't have an argument to back up. I don't even know what you are talking about.

If the boxer took a year
or BJJ then he would be a MMA fighter not a boxer anymore, you retard.

You actually posted "HAHA" like Reqium does, what a tool.
requim impersonation:
hahahhahahhahahahhahahhahahahhahahhahahahhaha haters hahhahahahhahahhahhahahhahhaahahahahhahahahahahahaahhahahhahhahahahahhaha

Dude jokes aside how old are you? You sound like a child? Whats with all that haha BS?:huh

[iksrtfo]

Dude jokes aside how old are you? You sound like a child? Whats with all that haha BS?:huh

Can you read? He posted it and I compared him to a posted from the boxing forum. Shouldn't you be on a WWF forum or some shit?

[USMCGixxer6]

Because this thread has become a MMA vs boxing thread not a MMA vs "insert other combat sport here" thread

You say that your a MMA fan as well but the way you refer to MMA fans as "MMA clowns" makes me think your lying.

I refer to blind ignorant MAM fans as MMA clowns, maybe you fit that bill, maybe you dont.

I was talking in general, not just this thread.

[USMCGixxer6]

If the boxer took a year
or BJJ then he would be a MMA fighter not a boxer anymore, you retard.



yep, thats my point. You clowns want a boxer to go in there and just box. WTF? I thought it was MMA, shouldnt he be able to train and practice other forms of combat? So if a world class boxer takes JJ on the side as a hobby, he isnt a boxer anymore?

Fucking idiot, as far as the rest of your post, ok dude. Whatever.

[USMCGixxer6]

People who try to make the claim that MMA is better becasue it is like a streetfight are clowns. Who cares about a streetfight? Is it cool to streetfight?

[iksrtfo]

yep, thats my point. You clowns want a boxer to go in there and just box. WTF? I thought it was MMA, shouldnt he be able to train and practice other forms of combat?

Because, the argument in the general forum is boxing vs mma.

So if a world class boxer takes JJ on the side as a hobby, he isnt a boxer anymore?
Not if he competes and uses it in MMA.

Fucking idiot, as far as the rest of your post, ok dude. Whatever.
Well thought out argument.

[USMCGixxer6]

Because, the argument in the general forum is boxing vs mma.
So he cant defend takedowns, use elbows? or anything else? lol, are you like 9?

Not if he competes and uses it in MMA.
so if he wresteled in college he's not a boxer anymore

Well thought out argument
What was I supposed to say to it? You were going on a rant about hahas?

[scurlaruntings]

Can you read? He posted it and I compared him to a posted from the boxing forum. Shouldn't you be on a WWF forum or some shit?Yeah your right i cant read.Let me go back to a WWF forum now.:patsch

[iksrtfo]

Because, the argument in the general forum is boxing vs mma.
So he cant defend takedowns, use elbows? or anything else? lol, are you like 9?

Not if he competes and uses it in MMA.
so if he wresteled in college he's not a boxer anymore

Well thought out argument
What was I supposed to say to it? You were going on a rant about hahas?

For example:
PBF vs Shawn Sherk if it happened today would be boxing vs mma and the argument could be settled.

If it happened in 6 months and PBF practied chuck liddel style take down defense as well as alot of BJJ work it would not be MMA vs boxer, correct?

[iksrtfo]

Yeah your right i cant read.Let me go back to a WWF forum now.:patsch

:lol:

[USMCGixxer6]

For example:
PBF vs Shawn Sherk if it happened today would be boxing vs mma and the argument could be settled.

If it happened in 6 months and PBF practied chuck liddel style take down defense as well as alot of BJJ work it would not be MMA vs boxer, correct?

are you serious? so you expect the boxer not to be able to practice anything but boxing?

lmao, you are the true definition of an MMA clown. Since the boxer can just box, Sherk can just crawl over to PBF and take him down, since PBF wont be able to box him if hes on the ground.

[iksrtfo]

are you serious? so you expect the boxer not to be able to practice anything but boxing?

lmao, you are the true definition of an MMA clown. Since the boxer can just box, Sherk can just crawl over to PBF and take him down, since PBF wont be able to box him if hes on the ground.

:-(

Exactly, and that is why you can not walk into a cage just knowing boxing which has been my point since my original post. If you train anything else you are an MMA fighter. In the general forum they argue that boxers can walk in just knowing boxing and clean house. I disagree but if PBF took BJJ than it would not settle this dispute.
Get it?

[USMCGixxer6]

and when did I ever say that pure boxing and pure boxing only would work in MMA?

exactly, never did I say that.

[scurlaruntings]

Godsake why are you 2 arguing semantics?!?!?!

[iksrtfo]

and when did I ever say that pure boxing and pure boxing only would work in MMA?

exactly, never did I say that.

I never said you did. You jumped into my argument. I still don't know any point that you had other than MMA is not a street fight which is pretty fucking obvious since there are no bottles, bats, etc.

[iksrtfo]

Godsake why are you 2 arguing semantics?!?!?!

I don't know what his point is. He just jumped on me calling me an MMA fanboy and I still don't understand what his point is. I am giving him the benfit of the doubt and thinking that maybe he just misunderstood my position but he probably is just stupid.

[USMCGixxer6]

Godsake why are you 2 arguing semantics?!?!?!

bored at work

[USMCGixxer6]

I don't know what his point is. He just jumped on me calling me an MMA fanboy and I still don't understand what his point is. I am giving him the benfit of the doubt and thinking that maybe he just misunderstood my position but he probably is just stupid.

I said MMA wasnt realfighting, in which you called it real fighting, and then you got all butt hurt

[scurlaruntings]

bored at workHmm thought so..:think

[iksrtfo]

I said MMA wasnt realfighting, in which you called it real fighting, and then you got all butt hurt

Okay, you win.

[USMCGixxer6]

Okay, you win.

lol, I did win, because it was a success at wasting my time while at work. 2 more hours

[iksrtfo]

lol, I did win, because it was a success at wasting my time while at work. 2 more hours

I wasted a good 7 1/2.............

[Drexl]

I agree with iksrtfo.
Although not entirely a street fight, MMA resembles what a street fight looks like far more than boxing does.

So? Why is street fighting the benchmark?

Boxing is a skill sport, as is MMA. Which one is "closer" to real street fight is as significant as which one is closer to tennis. Who cares? They are just different sports.

[ufoalf]

I think if you take a world class boxer and give him a year or more of wrestling and BJJ, I think they could dominate.


Dominate?

[iksrtfo]

So? Why is street fighting the benchmark?
Because that was the topic of our conversation. I used the street fight analogy because it is one that most her can relate to. I doubt that most posters have trained in MMA. That and Kimbo (the thread topic) is a street fighter with VERY LITTLE training. My point that MMA is closer to a street fight is that I believe that gives him an edge. In boxing if you are loosing with your hands then you are not going to wim the fight, it's that simple. The thing that MMA and street fighting have in common is that if you are loosing with your hands then you can go for a take down or vice versa.

Boxing is a skill sport, as is MMA. Which one is "closer" to real street fight is as significant as which one is closer to tennis.
Not really many people have walked into gyms to learn boxing or MMA for self defense.

MMA was basicaly to see what styles are the best styles in a real world situation or in other words to see what what is actually effective in the street, you know what works and is not Steven Segal bull shit.

We know the answer to that question which is boxing, MT, and BJJ.

I don't understand why people can't accept both sports. I enjoy watching boxing, MMA, and grappling.



Who cares? They are just different sports.[/quote]

[USMCGixxer6]

Dominate?

yeah, take someone like a prime RJJ or many others, and yes DOMINATE

[codeman99998]

I already posted this in another UFC thread that was deleted with the wipe.

Okay, it's NOT just arguing semantics. Most fighters, but not all, in MMA have a specialty fighting style. Most fighters learn one martial art, and use that as a building block for their MMA career. You have Muy Thai fighters turned MMA, Brazilian Ju Jitsu, Wrestling, etc. All of the previous mentioned, including boxing, is a pure form of a martial art.

Now, those martial arts alone were not enough to give them victory in MMA competition. Hence the term "mixed" martial arts. They had to incoorporate techniques and skills from other martial arts, mixing it into their current specialty.

So, it's not so much of a semantic argument as much as it is a complete a total misunderstanding of what MMA is. MMA is not Jiu Jitsu, or wrestling, or Muy Thai, or any of that. It is the combination of different skills in martial arts. You'll notice that most MMA fighters use completely different disciplines depending on where they are in a fight. They may kickbox in the standup phase, and then switch to Ju Jitsu when the fight goes to the ground.

Now, as I said earlier, most fighters have a specialty. If a boxer learns a takedown defense and some basic groundfighting, he is mixing in other martial arts with his own. He is now an MMA fighter with a specialty in boxing, and who knows how good he could be. He might be able to become a champ in some MMA org, but he wouldn't be a boxer anymore so it wouldn't prove anything.

It's only boxer versus MMA fighter if you don't TRAIN the boxer in other martial arts. I never said one MMAer with a specialty in Muy Thai beats another with a specialty in boxing. You might be surprised how different the boxer looks after a year of grappling training.

[codeman99998]

yeah, take someone like a prime RJJ or many others, and yes DOMINATE

Absolutely not. He doesn't have the knowledge necessary. The REFS break up the clinches in boxing for god's sakes. How can you not see how VAST the difference is?

[iksrtfo]

I already posted this in another UFC thread that was deleted with the wipe.

Okay, it's NOT just arguing semantics. Most fighters, but not all, in MMA have a specialty fighting style. Most fighters learn one martial art, and use that as a building block for their MMA career. You have Muy Thai fighters turned MMA, Brazilian Ju Jitsu, Wrestling, etc. All of the previous mentioned, including boxing, is a pure form of a martial art.

Now, those martial arts alone were not enough to give them victory in MMA competition. Hence the term "mixed" martial arts. They had to incoorporate techniques and skills from other martial arts, mixing it into their current specialty.

So, it's not so much of a semantic argument as much as it is a complete a total misunderstanding of what MMA is. MMA is not Jiu Jitsu, or wrestling, or Muy Thai, or any of that. It is the combination of different skills in martial arts. You'll notice that most MMA fighters use completely different disciplines depending on where they are in a fight. They may kickbox in the standup phase, and then switch to Ju Jitsu when the fight goes to the ground.

Now, as I said earlier, most fighters have a specialty. If a boxer learns a takedown defense and some basic groundfighting, he is mixing in other martial arts with his own. He is now an MMA fighter with a specialty in boxing, and who knows how good he could be. He might be able to become a champ in some MMA org, but he wouldn't be a boxer anymore so it wouldn't prove anything.

It's only boxer versus MMA fighter if you don't TRAIN the boxer in other martial arts. I never said one MMAer with a specialty in Muy Thai beats another with a specialty in boxing. You might be surprised how different the boxer looks after a year of grappling training.
I believe MMA was originally contests where contestants fought each other with differnt styles. Early UFC had boxer vs wrestler etc. Now MMA schools have BJJ, MT and boxing and the term has evolved to describe those three styles combined, to my understanding anyway.
I miss the old days when it was boxer vs akido etc. That was interesting but no longer is the question of what styles are effective asked so we will not see those matches again.

[USMCGixxer6]

Absolutely not. He doesn't have the knowledge necessary. The REFS break up the clinches in boxing for god's sakes. How can you not see how VAST the difference is?

are you a retard, I said with a year or two of wrestling and bjj, and maybe some muay thai too. Not just walk in with no other experience other than boxing.

[codeman99998]

I believe MMA was originally contests where contestants fought each other with differnt styles. Early UFC had boxer vs wrestler etc. Now MMA schools have BJJ, MT and boxing and the term has evolved to describe those three styles combined, to my understanding anyway.
I miss the old days when it was boxer vs akido etc. That was interesting but no longer is the question of what styles are effective asked so we will not see those matches again.

It's a shame that there is sort of no use for it anymore. A great pure BJJ expert wins over any other pure form of martial art.

[codeman99998]

are you a retard, I said with a year or two of wrestling and bjj, and maybe some muay thai too. Not just walk in with no other experience other than boxing.
Oh, my bad. Yeah, RJJ has a shot with 2 years of training, sure.

Trouble is, it's hard to be elusizve when the guy can hold you, and RJJs beard is a bit suspect. It might be a bit too easy to KO him. Muy Thai clinch plus knee = lights out RJJ.

[USMCGixxer6]

well yeah, thats why I said give him some MT experience. I dont know anybody with the pure striking(other than knees in a clinch) who would even catch him with a clean shot on there feet. So I dont think his chin would come into play too bad.

[ufoalf]

I was just checking if you're just full of shit or not USMCG. And Yea, you convinced me. "Year of training grappling and boxer would dominate MMA":nut:nut What a tool.

[USMCGixxer6]

I said world class boxer with a year or 2 could dominate.

And yes they could.

Look at Mirko when he came over from k-1, oh yeah. STFU noob

[Beebs]

are you a retard, I said with a year or two of wrestling and bjj, and maybe some muay thai too. Not just walk in with no other experience other than boxing.

You're vastly underestimating the time period involved in learning these aspects, you could create an MMA fighter that is a great style matchup for alot of guys who could win some big fights in a year or two, but it would take alot longer to create somebody who is truely dominate like Fedor, Hughes during his run, Silva during his run, guys who can hold a belt for years.

[USMCGixxer6]

thats why I said could dominate, and besides Fedor, I mean Hughes has 2 losses to a guy who cant even make it in the UFC, Silva won with virtually No ground game. So I do think its possible.

But thats why I said could dominate, Didnt say Fedorable, lol

[Beebs]

I said world class boxer with a year or 2 could dominate.

And yes they could.

Look at Mirko when he came over from k-1, oh yeah. STFU noob

Mirko is a great example of why they would not dominate, they would do very well, but there would always be those, who due to years and years of grappling, will have to toolset to beat him. Also Mirko is the absolute best crossover from K1, look at Hunt, Leko, Manhoef, Lebanner, and others for a broader spectrum and truer look at what to expect.

[USMCGixxer6]

once again thats why I said they would need a decent amount of time to make the transition. Hunt has been pretty damn solid too.

Read the post I made right above yours though. Nobody in unbeatable, everybody has someone who can beat them in MMA.

[Drexl]

BMy point that MMA is closer to a street fight is that I believe that gives him an edge.

I agree with that. But I wan't talking about your points I was saying in general, who cares which is closer to a real fight?


Not really many people have walked into gyms to learn boxing or MMA for self defense.

Well, they are idiots. Boxing is a sport, NOT a fight. You might learn a couple of things that MIGHT help in a street fight, but as you say thy are entirely different beasts.

You might as well do track & field - that will also give you some things that MIGHT POSSIBLY help you in a fight (stamina, fitness..)

Again though, so what if one is closer to a fight? Neither are really a fight.

[iksrtfo]

I agree with that. But I wan't talking about your points I was saying in general, who cares which is closer to a real fight?




Well, they are idiots. Boxing is a sport, NOT a fight. You might learn a couple of things that MIGHT help in a street fight, but as you say thy are entirely different beasts.

You might as well do track & field - that will also give you some things that MIGHT POSSIBLY help you in a fight (stamina, fitness..)

Again though, so what if one is closer to a fight? Neither are really a fight.

I agree with the last point.

As far as whether it matters which one is closer to a fight in all other cases no but in this thread, to me, it does because of the first thing you quoted me saying in that Kimbo is a street fighter and that is why he won the fight because an MMA even is closer to a street fight making the pendulum swing in Kimbo's direction, if it were a boxing match it would have swung into Mercer's direction. I am inarticulate so I have hard time getting my point across.

I think that you are refering to the chest beating that MMA and boxing fans are guilty of when they talk about which one is more like a street fight as if it makes one tougher or harder than the other. That is not the point I am trying to make.

[bigG]

jesus lets put this to bed guys...neither is beter/best..they are totally different sports.....sports i said......my mate, an extremely talented mma competitor and coach always says that about mma....its a sport, if you wanna fight the guy, go hit him with a chair in the changing room.......

[USMCGixxer6]

jesus lets put this to bed guys...neither is beter/best..they are totally different sports.....sports i said......my mate, an extremely talented mma competitor and coach always says that about mma....its a sport, if you wanna fight the guy, go hit him with a chair in the changing room.......


or a nice shot to the groin followed by a bite to the nose

[Drexl]

I agree with the last point.

As far as whether it matters which one is closer to a fight in all other cases no but in this thread, to me, it does because of the first thing you quoted me saying in that Kimbo is a street fighter and that is why he won the fight because an MMA even is closer to a street fight making the pendulum swing in Kimbo's direction, if it were a boxing match it would have swung into Mercer's direction. I am inarticulate so I have hard time getting my point across.

I think that you are refering to the chest beating that MMA and boxing fans are guilty of when they talk about which one is more like a street fight as if it makes one tougher or harder than the other. That is not the point I am trying to make.


Yep, that is exactly waht I'm getting at.

A victory either way says nothing about one sport vs another. If Mercer had won, that wouldn't have meant boxing is "superior" to MMA.

This was a fight between two rather insignificant figures. Kimbo won, and all that proves is that Kimbo is better at MMA than Mercer. There was no deeper significance than that to this fight. It says nothing in general about either sport over the other.

On the flipside, if Wlad Klitschko fought Fedor in a BOXING match, does anyone seriously think that Fedor would win?

And if that fight happened and Wlad won by KO, that wouldn't mean that boxing is superior to MMA, just that Wlad was better than Fedor at boxing.

[rekcutnevets]

I had no idea this thread went on for 9 pages, and it was after what would be called an "exhibition."

Kimbo Slice truly was a recipe for success. If an action movie with Slice as the starring role doesn't come of this, filmmakers are really missing a cue.

[BIGRIGHTHAND]

I won a kimbo autograph glove from the fight network when he was fighting abbott. No joke i invite over ten people ,we got hammered for the shamrock fight. we all know wat happened and kimbo got ko in like 8 second. best part about it. when i lost i got gas and burned in my horseshoe pit and then pissed on it lol. hahahahahahahahhaahhahaha kimbo is gay and mma is gay

[rekcutnevets]

Posted by BIGRIGHTHAND
I won a kimbo autograph glove from the fight network when he was fighting abbott. No joke i invite over ten people ,we got hammered for the shamrock fight. we all know wat happened and kimbo got ko in like 8 second. best part about it. when i lost i got gas and burned in my horseshoe pit and then pissed on it lol. hahahahahahahahhaahhahaha kimbo is gay and mma is gay
You really showed him, huh?