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red cobra
09-17-2009, 09:17 PM
Not the hardest hitter, but in terms of sheer physical strength, pound for pound.
My2Sense
09-17-2009, 09:41 PM
Henry Armstrong would probably get my vote for #1.
Les Darcy, Dick Tiger, and Dwight Qawi are honorable mentions.
Barbados Joe Walcott probably belongs among here as well, but that's just going by accounts of him.
red cobra
09-17-2009, 09:44 PM
Good picks, esp. Tiger.
WhataRock
09-17-2009, 09:45 PM
Armstrong surely.
Probably Langford aswell...Fenech, Williams, Duran, Wilde
Manny P gets a shout for me aswell...He is as strong as any of the guys he has fought at these higher weights and I remember he apparently used to manhandle welterweights when sparring for fights at feather.
red cobra
09-17-2009, 09:47 PM
Dulio Loi, Gene Fullmer and Oscar Bonavena come to mind.
Bill1234
09-17-2009, 09:50 PM
Jake LaMotta was very strong. I don't think anyone ever came close to out muscling Big George.
Sweet Pea
09-17-2009, 09:51 PM
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red cobra
09-17-2009, 09:52 PM
No, no one has outmuscled big George, that's for sure.
red cobra
09-17-2009, 09:53 PM
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One strong dude...
Bummy Davis
09-17-2009, 10:24 PM
Sailor Tom Sharkey was a strong one...Langford,Tiger, Lamotta,Armstrong
"Sailor" Tom
Seamus
09-17-2009, 10:38 PM
Terry Norris bench pressed 325 whilst weighing 155. Strong motherfucker.
For proven applied strength in combat, Monzon was VERY strong. And Foreman at 500 pounds would still be pound for pound in the running. At 220, he was just scary.
Xplosive
09-18-2009, 12:42 AM
Well obviously overall... I'd say Foreman was the strongest fighter of all time.
P4P....Qawi @ 175 and Tiger @ 160 immediately came to mind.
My2Sense
09-18-2009, 01:44 AM
Armstrong peaked at 130, yet regularly outmuscled welterweights and even a natural jr. middleweight, while never really more than a jr. welterweight himself.
That's damn impressive.
red cobra
09-18-2009, 07:01 AM
Rocky Marciano is an obvious answer...forget that he's dwarfed by modern day heavyweights, he was p4p one of, if not the strongest fighters of all time...a fact that was almost universally agreed upon in most most boxing writers and people in the sport.
slugger408
09-18-2009, 07:42 AM
Marciano, Tua, and Lamotta stick out in my mind.
more recent, James Kirkland at 154
he grant
09-18-2009, 08:03 AM
Tiger
Barbados Joe
Foreman
Langford
Marciano
Jeffries
Armstrong surely.
Probably Langford aswell...Fenech, Williams, Duran, Wilde
Manny P gets a shout for me aswell...He is as strong as any of the guys he has fought at these higher weights and I remember he apparently used to manhandle welterweights when sparring for fights at feather.
interesting about pac. i don't recall him doing much grappling type stuff or close quarters body work. he seems to be more of an in andout fighter.
gooners!!
09-18-2009, 09:33 AM
Duran, Mosley.
JohnThomas1
09-18-2009, 10:00 AM
Jeff Fenech.
Ezzard
09-18-2009, 10:27 AM
Mickey Walker has to be in with a shout for this one as well as Tony Zale.
Chris Eubank was an amazingly strong fighter.
Popkins
09-18-2009, 12:34 PM
From the past: Dick Tiger (a beast for all-time)
From the present: Manny Pacquiao (looked strong as a bull at light-welter only a year or so after being a super-feather)
McGrain
09-18-2009, 12:37 PM
Mosley.
Really strong guy.
I'd probably go with Armstrong.
gigogreco
09-18-2009, 12:45 PM
my vote goes to... drums please.. tank abbot:yep
MrMarvel
09-18-2009, 12:57 PM
Armstrong. Look at the way he bulled middleweights around the ring. Amazing. Duran was a bull, too.
Foreman was extremely powerful.
IntentionalButt
09-18-2009, 12:58 PM
First thoughts:
Tiger, Briscoe, Monzon, even Valdez though less so than the others (what an era for iron-cast MWs!)
Ibeabuchi
Echols
Galaxy
cotto20
09-18-2009, 02:02 PM
.Armstrong
.Tiger
.Lamotta
.Jeffries
.Marciano
gooners!!
09-18-2009, 02:14 PM
..............Chuvalo
Bobo Teebaggen
09-18-2009, 02:28 PM
Armstrong was a beast for his size, Foreman was a monster too....Currently Kirkland and Urango are some beastly fighters.
Russell
09-18-2009, 02:54 PM
Marcos Villasana and Khaosai Galaxy
Bill1234
09-18-2009, 03:48 PM
..............Chuvalo
Yeah, he is one strong guy, even to this day. If I remember right, when he fought Frazier, at one point Frazier tried to push him back, and Chuvalo just stood there, Joe wasn't able to budge him.
abraq
09-18-2009, 04:16 PM
Oscar Bonavena was as strong as George Chuvalo. I think Jose Manuel Ibar Urtain was strong too.
Tiger has already been mentioned, but in those days amongst the smaller fighters, Vicente Saldivar was very strong. P4p, IMO, Fighting Harada and Lionel Rose were strong too.
A while later, Trevor Berbick was physically strong too. Don't go by what Tyson did to him. And talking about Iron Mike. Why has he been not mentioned? Ah, Liston. Are we not forgetting him too? And how about Firpo? Jumbo Cummings, the last guy Frazier fought, was nothing else but strength. P4p Holyfield did quite well too. He was never really pushed around by the Super Heavies he had to fight.
Ron Lyle matched strength with George Foreman quite well. And Foreman could well have been the strongest of them all.
From the MWs, Hagler was strong enough to deserve a mention. So too does Juan Domingo Roldan.
Bummy Davis
09-18-2009, 10:01 PM
Rocky Marciano is an obvious answer...forget that he's dwarfed by modern day heavyweights, he was p4p one of, if not the strongest fighters of all time...a fact that was almost universally agreed upon in most most boxing writers and people in the sport.
Very true LB4 LB one of the strongest
Xplosive
09-19-2009, 11:37 AM
Tyson deserves mention too I think.
Aaron Pryor also was extremely physically strong.
ThinBlack
04-16-2012, 11:20 AM
Joe Walcott, Foreman, Dwight Davidson, Juan Roldan, Victor Galindez.
Manassa
04-16-2012, 12:25 PM
The strongest fighters will generally have short, stocky limbs, thick joints and bones, and low muscle insertion points (i.e., not peaked biceps but long and full).
Rocky Marciano certainly fits this criteria. He still looked like a small power lifter even with all that cardiovascular training.
In contrast, there are also slim fighters who seem to possess an extraordinary quality of muscle fiber and central nervous system function and surprise you with how strong they are despite their apparent fragility. Carlos Monzon for that.
There are leverage advantages and disadvantages for both builds.
Roldan, I dont know any other fighters who wrestled a bear.
freddieoj
04-16-2012, 01:26 PM
The strongest fighters will generally have short, stocky limbs, thick joints and bones, and low muscle insertion points (i.e., not peaked biceps but long and full).
Rocky Marciano certainly fits this criteria. He still looked like a small power lifter even with all that cardiovascular training.
In contrast, there are also slim fighters who seem to possess an extraordinary quality of muscle fiber and central nervous system function and surprise you with how strong they are despite their apparent fragility. Carlos Monzon for that.
There are leverage advantages and disadvantages for both builds.
Monzon, Lewis and Quartey were all extremely strong, yet dont fall into the Lamotta/squat type frame, if we're talking pure brute strength then you must go for guys like Foreman, Rahman, Mosley guys like that.
TBooze
04-16-2012, 01:56 PM
He did not have much of a career as a boxer, but I reckon pound for pound Danny Hodge maybe the answer.
johnmaff36
04-16-2012, 02:02 PM
Im gonna throw randy turpin into the mix with the usual suspects
big man
04-16-2012, 09:56 PM
Kostya Tszyu was very strong in his day.
Nightcrawler
04-16-2012, 10:06 PM
Roldan, I dont know any other fighters who wrestled a bear.
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Seamus
04-16-2012, 10:28 PM
Rocky...
Kansas.
red cobra
04-16-2012, 10:31 PM
Victor Galindez was very strong.
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04-16-2012, 11:50 PM
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PowerPuncher
04-17-2012, 06:55 AM
There's lots of different types of strength and knowing how to push someone around and take them off balance makes you look stronger than you are. You can bull some around while being weaker than them if you know what you're doing. If you have stamina you can also keep bulling someone around when they're tired. Everyone who is saying Armstrong is wrong, he knew what he was doing in there with his leverage and had the stamina to maintain his effort so looks strong but he wasn't that strong in reality.
AlFrancis
04-17-2012, 07:11 AM
Harada!
Duodenum
04-17-2012, 07:17 AM
Hamsho deserves a mention. Bobby Czyz said in a mid-ring interview immediately after their bout that Mustafa's superior mature physical strength was the direct reason for that outcome (and Bobby was hardly a 90 pound weakling beach puny).
Watching Minter-Antuofermo I & II (especially with the way Alan manhandles Vito in their return), then Hamsho-Minter, we are looking at remarkable duels of physical strength.
Dwight Davison had been a star wrestler in high school, and the squat undefeated Curtis Parker (a pocket Frazier who later came out on the short end with Hamsho twice) actually got wrestled to the floor while desperately trying to bore his way in. Later, although Dwight allowed Sibson to completely outhustle him (in what looked like a walking tank job to me), Tony couldn't budge Davison. The late 1970s and early 1980s were a remarkable era for block of granite middleweights. (This was an extremely unfortunate time for the likes of Parker to be competing.)
Del Boy
04-17-2012, 07:26 AM
While not the best boxers weren't carnerra and Willard circus strong men? Surely they deserve mention
he grant
04-17-2012, 07:41 AM
Can anyone imagine George Foreman on juice like the Klitschkos ? He was a 220 plus monster naturally ....
Seems Jack Johnson has been left out and he was exceptionally strong ... many of the names mentioned are right on ..
Dick Tiger
Dwight Qwai
James Jeffries
Chuvalo
Terry Norris
Lennox Lewis
bodhi
04-17-2012, 07:45 AM
So many knowledgable people posted so many names, yet no one mentioned Emile Griffith. Shame on you, people.
AlFrancis
04-17-2012, 07:54 AM
Dennis Andries, his biggest asset was probably his strength.
Legend X
04-17-2012, 07:58 AM
Baby Arizmendi and Henry Armstrong come to mind.
I love those guys.
red cobra
04-17-2012, 08:00 AM
So many knowledgable people posted so many names, yet no one mentioned Emile Griffith. Shame on you, people.
Forgive the oversight bodhi..but in another thread I cited him as one of the strongest fighters p4p.
MadcapMaxie
04-17-2012, 09:33 AM
I think P4P it would have to be Khaosai Galaxy the man was several weight classes above his opponents in regards to strength, built like a brick shit house to boot. Nobody not even prime George Foreman looked as strong in the ring as did Galaxy he looked like a powerfully built man pushing around little boys (i know theres a diff in quality of opponents). Nobody could out slug him, nobody could push him around, nobody could back him up just a physical beast.
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