If Khan gets to 47-1 and makes 27 defences will he be greater then Calzaghe

[brown bomber]

Discuss.

[GladiatoR]

Can they find another 20+ feather fisted fighters though?

:lol:

[PrideOfWales]

The discussion starts and ends with the fact that the boxrec brit forum is a more informative place to spend some time these days.

[Beeston Brawler]

:lol:

[Cobbler]

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[brown bomber]

[Only registered and activated users can see links] What the fuck is that?

[G.A.V.]

Oh shut up about fucking Calslappy already, even if this is a joke thread.

Fucking hell.

[Beeston Brawler]

It does seem odd to me that nobody knew who Calzaghe was four years ago, and now the very same people are saying he is Britain's best ever fighter.

I guess they have never seen Lennox Lewis fight?

Or Ken Buchanan?

[PrideOfWales]

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I think you use this on it:

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[brown bomber]

I'm been serious. I'd like to hear what the more knowledgable posters have to say about it. HOF what do you reckon?

After 22 fights Calzaghe was an incredible 22-0 with 21 KO's .... He was the British champion having beaten Stephen Wilson and Mark Delaney for his best win. He celebrated his 22nd victory crushing Luciano Torres. In his next bout he would contest and win the WBO title beating an aged Christopher Livingstone Eubank impressively. A legend was born. On paper at the time his wins over Pat Lawlor (who had beaten and aged Duran) and Carlos Christie (who had once taken William Joppy the distance) were also notable.

Khan is 21-1 with 15 Ko's he is a WBA minor title holder. He has impressive victories over English Champion Ryan Barrett, former Commonwealth champion Willie Limond, former English champion Scott Lawton, Former British champion Graham Earl, Former world champion Gairy St Clair, Former, Britsh Champion Micheal Gomez, former Irish champion Oisen Fagan, former multiple world champion Marco Antonio Barrera and also a reigning world champion in Andreas Kotelnik. Suffice to say he is the superior fighter by quite some distance at the moment. At what point did Calzaghe surpass what Khan has achieved thus far?

[GladiatoR]

I'm been serious. I'd like to hear what the more knowledgable posters have to say about it. HOF what do you reckon?

After 22 fights Calzaghe was an incredible 22-0 with 21 KO's .... He was the British champion having beaten Stephen Wilson and Mark Delaney for his best win. He celebrated his 22nd victory crushing Luciano Torres. In his next bout he would contest and win the WBO title beating an aged Christopher Livingstone Eubank impressively. A legend was born. On paper at the time his wins over Pat Lawlor (who had beaten and aged Duran) and Carlos Christie (who had once taken William Joppy the distance) were also notable.

Khan is 21-1 with 15 Ko's he is a WBA minor title holder. He has impressive victories over English Champion Ryan Barrett, former Commonwealth champion Willie Limond, former English champion Scott Lawton, Former British champion Graham Earl, Former world champion Gairy St Clair, Former, Britsh Champion Micheal Gomez, former Irish champion Oisen Fagan, former multiple world champion Marco Antonio Barrera and also a reigning world champion in Andreas Kotelnik. Suffice to say he is the superior fighter by quite some distance at the moment. At what point did Calzaghe surpass what Khan has achieved thus far?

He lost to Limond though.

:rofl

[PrideOfWales]

I'm been serious. I'd like to hear what the more knowledgable posters have to say about it. HOF what do you reckon?

After 22 fights Calzaghe was an incredible 22-0 with 21 KO's .... He was the British champion having beaten Stephen Wilson and Mark Delaney for his best win. He celebrated his 22nd victory crushing Luciano Torres. In his next bout he would contest and win the WBO title beating an aged Christopher Livingstone Eubank impressively. A legend was born. On paper at the time his wins over Pat Lawlor (who had beaten and aged Duran) and Carlos Christie (who had once taken William Joppy the distance) were also notable.

Khan is 21-1 with 15 Ko's he is a WBA minor title holder. He has impressive victories over English Champion Ryan Barrett, former Commonwealth champion Willie Limond, former English champion Scott Lawton, Former British champion Graham Earl, Former world champion Gairy St Clair, Former, Britsh Champion Micheal Gomez, former Irish champion Oisen Fagan, former multiple world champion Marco Antonio Barrera and also a reigning world champion in Andreas Kotelnik. Suffice to say he is the superior fighter by quite some distance at the moment. At what point did Calzaghe surpass what Khan has achieved thus far?

Of course it very much depends on who he fights but if he gets to 47-1 he will have probably far surpassed Calzaghe in most people's eyes.

To me though, Khan's failure on ITV hit TV show Beat the Star will always let his legacy down. Calzaghe never loses.

[GladiatoR]

To me though, Khan's failure on ITV hit TV show Beat the Star will always let his legacy down. Calzaghe never loses.

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[ScouseLad]

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Another fight, another win!

[robpalmer135]

depends who he fights.

[Mazallan]

Only if he fights Manny Pac and Marquez when they are 50 years old. A win against a few OAP's will make him the greatest British boxer ever to the idiots who think the same thing of JC. Although beating Barerra is worth more than Calzaghes wins over B-Hop and RJJ.

[Cobbler]

beating Barerra is worth more than Calzaghes wins over B-Hop

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[PrideOfWales]

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Another fight, another win!

Holy shit... the power has returned!

[TheUzi]

No,he'll never be greater than Calzaghe as he doesn't have the attributes to ever be considered a great.

That is just fact.

Jeff-I'd understand if people are constantly harping on about JC ,then your within your rights to respond and put your points across about him but to continually mention his name in the fashion you do makes you out to be a bit of a tit which going by your views on other topics,isn't the case.

[PrideOfWales]

No,he'll never be greater than Calzaghe as he doesn't have the attributes to ever be considered a great.

That is just fact.

Jeff-I'd understand if people are constantly harping on about JC ,then your within your rights to respond and put your points across about him but to continually mention his name in the fashion you do makes you out to be a bit of a tit which going by your views on other topics,isn't the case.

A couple of times a year jeff regresses into this person and often gets drawn into slanging matches with idiots.

[brown bomber]

Holy shit... the power has returned!:lol:

[brown bomber]

No,he'll never be greater than Calzaghe as he doesn't have the attributes to ever be considered a great.

That is just fact.

Jeff-I'd understand if people are constantly harping on about JC ,then your within your rights to respond and put your points across about him but to continually mention his name in the fashion you do makes you out to be a bit of a tit which going by your views on other topics,isn't the case.

Ok its an interesting topic for this reason:

It takes into account Khans progress so far and allows a more detailed look in comparison, at Calzaghes opposition.

I think the topic is valid. At what point did Calzaghe surpass Khans achievements thus far? When he beat Reid? Woodhall?

Also- presumably Khan will use the same career template as Calzaghe and Hatton who were with Sports Network for much of their careers. Its interesting that he has been pitched in at a far more competitive level then Hatton or Calzaghe..... or even Benn, Eubank etc...

[brown bomber]

Only if he fights Manny Pac and Marquez when they are 50 years old. A win against a few OAP's will make him the greatest British boxer ever to the idiots who think the same thing of JC. Although beating Barerra is worth more than Calzaghes wins over B-Hop and RJJ.I'd got for the RJJ one... with Hopkins' win over Tarver- no matter how shit Tarver performed on the night- Hopkins was still the man when he beat Calzaghe. Or didn't.

[TheUzi]

Ok its an interesting topic for this reason:

It takes into account Khans progress so far and allows a more detailed look in comparison, at Calzaghes opposition.

I think the topic is valid. At what point did Calzaghe surpass Khans achievements thus far? When he beat Reid? Woodhall?

Also- presumably Khan will use the same career template as Calzaghe and Hatton who were with Sports Network for much of their careers. Its interesting that he has been pitched in at a far more competitive level then Hatton or Calzaghe..... or even Benn, Eubank etc...

Do you honestly believe,with what you've seen from Khan so far,that he will come close to matching Calzaghe's achievements?

[brown bomber]

Do you honestly believe,with what you've seen from Khan so far,that he will come close to matching Calzaghe's achievements?

Winning a world title- check.

Defending it against 20 poor opponents- in progress.

Occasionally fighting half decent fighters- in progress.

Khans chin may let him down but if, like Joe he is matched correctly I think he may well get to 40-1 something like that. It depends how ambitious he still is having won his world title. Calzaghe didn't strive to become a legend.. he made a load of undercard defences biding his time then stepped up in his last 5 fights where he looked less then impressive at a fair - not elite standard. Outworking Hopkins (debatably) is not impossible, beating the remnants of Roy Jones while been floored is poor, and the Lacy win has been exposed as very unsensational. In fact the only victory that seems possible of holding him in any real standing is the Kessler one and I give him credit for that. Kessler is pretty good and may go on to win the Super Six tourney which would further add credability to Calzaghes achievements. But 6 fights don't make a legend. And 40 80-20 matches don't either.

Salita is 30-0 (16Ko's)- he's fairly well thought of. He's yet to beat anyone of true world standing but its a good match. How many good matches did Calzaghe have? He was a good fighter, but he's not an ATG. Can Khan becoming a good but not ATG fighter- of course he can.

[Mazallan]

I'd got for the RJJ one... with Hopkins' win over Tarver- no matter how shit Tarver performed on the night- Hopkins was still the man when he beat Calzaghe. Or didn't.



B-Hop beat JC. Khan only has to beat one or two decent light welter contenders to become better than JC. Lacy was never great and Kessler has only one good opponent on his record and that is Calzaghe. To surpass Calzaghe,Khan has to do very little. He has already won a real world championship so that is the first big tick for Khan, especially at this stage of his career.

[ishy]

Holy shit... the power has returned!

:lol:

[slip&counter]

Khan will NEVER be greater then Calzaghe

he can achievement more like Hatton did in relation to his talent level, but Calzaghe will always spit more boxing, bottom line.

[DOM5153]

valid conversation, depends if he unifys as well

[kosaros]

Holy shit... the power has returned!

:lol::lol::lol:

Ok its an interesting topic for this reason:

It takes into account Khans progress so far and allows a more detailed look in comparison, at Calzaghes opposition.

I think the topic is valid. At what point did Calzaghe surpass Khans achievements thus far? When he beat Reid? Woodhall?

Also- presumably Khan will use the same career template as Calzaghe and Hatton who were with Sports Network for much of their careers. Its interesting that he has been pitched in at a far more competitive level then Hatton or Calzaghe..... or even Benn, Eubank etc...

They were never demanding PPV money at that point in their careers either. ;)

[Dan684]

Kos, Khan isn't the one demanding PPV money. Thats ****** and thats because of the way the market is going ! Racist

[TheUzi]

B-Hop beat JC. Khan only has to beat one or two decent light welter contenders to become better than JC. Lacy was never great and Kessler has only one good opponent on his record and that is Calzaghe. To surpass Calzaghe,Khan has to do very little. He has already won a real world championship so that is the first big tick for Khan, especially at this stage of his career.


Mazallan-come on,get real.

The question first off is will he be GREATER than Calzaghe.
Its a definate NO. Even his biggest haters must admit this.
The way he's perfomed in his fights to date has been far from impressive. At times in his earlier fights,pretty embarrassing.

Its a pointless discussion anyway because Khan will not get to 47-1.

[TheUzi]

BTW-I'm a massive Calzaghe fan but do take on board some of the critisism put his way. I too would've like to seen him in against Jones/Hopkins earlier. (even tho we all know contracts were signed,Hopkins doubled his bla bla bla) Not going over the same details.

Anyway,point being...when his haters start saying all KHAN needs to do is beat two contenders to be BETTER than JC,well enoughs enough

Absolute fu*king uneducated crap

[quiet man ruiz]

Discuss.

jeff.

list the 27 boxers.

list manner of victory over each.

i will then give answer.
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[TFFP]

Ok its an interesting topic for this reason:

It takes into account Khans progress so far and allows a more detailed look in comparison, at Calzaghes opposition.

I think the topic is valid. At what point did Calzaghe surpass Khans achievements thus far? When he beat Reid? Woodhall?

Also- presumably Khan will use the same career template as Calzaghe and Hatton who were with Sports Network for much of their careers. Its interesting that he has been pitched in at a far more competitive level then Hatton or Calzaghe..... or even Benn, Eubank etc...
No, its not interesting. Not on any one single level is it interesting.

It might be interesting in 5 or 6 years when Khan's career has played out.

It's a dig veiled as a genuine post.

[Mazallan]

Khan will surpass Calzaghe within two years. Calzaghe being undefeated just means he never fought the best opposition, only Kessler and Lacy were fights worth being interested in, JC stuck around picking up wins in a poor division then jumped upto fight grandads. Ok Calzaghe deserves a huge amount of plaudits for what he did in his career but it is nothing that Khan can not better. Calzaghe is just flavour of the moment because of good match making and publicity.

[mrbassie]

Depends who he beats. Calzaghe may be unbeaten but the only risky fights I can think of him taking are Eubank, Kessler and Hopkins and two of them can be argued strongly as being taken at the right time, the rest is really just filler.

[The taff]

Yeh

[Darni187]

Who knows where he will get in 8 or 9 years? He is still only 22. It depends now when and if Khan fights the best, I dont think Khan will wait till he is 34/35 to go and fight in the U.S and prove he is the best. I think Khan would take that risk much earlier and we will know in 16 months or so if Khan can cut it at the very top.

In terms of natural skill Khan is above most British fighters, you dont just win a silver medal at the Olympics at just the tender age of just 17, where was Joe's medal?

[Little Tyson]

SO unspecific its unreal.

[Steve Fox]

This is a joke thread! Khan has been carefully matched against fighters of the has-been, never were or never will be variety. JC on the other hand has been...oh fuck! I've painted myself into a corner there haven't I?

[TheUzi]

Hahahaha...nice one

[brown bomber]

This is a joke thread! Khan has been carefully matched against fighters of the has-been, never were or never will be variety. JC on the other hand has been...oh fuck! I've painted myself into a corner there haven't I?:lol: limond wasn't past it, neither was Ryan Barrett, Scott lawton and a good few others. He's been matched very well- Powells done a great job and kept him in largely relevant matches.

["TKO"]

Jeff will you please give it a rest with these threads? You're turning into the Calzaghe version of Betty! The guy who said earlier that this thread was a thinly veiled dig disguised as a question had it about right!

As regards the actual question the very obvious answer is it depends who the defences are against and how good he looks in them. Let's look at Calzaghe's best wins. Discard their title winning fights (as Eubank slightly past his peak roughly = Kotelnik). Calzaghe beat Reid, Sheika, Woodhall, Starie, Brewer, Mitchell, Lacy, Kessler, Hopkins. The rough equivalent would be Khan besting Salita in his first defence (roughly the equivalent of Sheika, a hyped yank who wasn't proven at top level but still a danger) then beating Holt, Malignaggi, Diaz, Campbell, Bradley, Maidana, Urango, Marquez then stepping up to take the welter title off of Mosley. If Khan does all that then yeah he may have a shout (though even then Calzaghe never got banjoed by an unproven novice). However, you and I both know his chin is going to let him down again way before he manages any of that.

[AndrewFFC]

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Another fight, another win!

Combined with the win over his son on the nintendo I think that takes him past Marciano.

[quiet man ruiz]

jeff.

list the 27 boxers.

list manner of victory over each.

i will then give answer.

qft
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[D-MAC]

Honestly, what is this thread about?

This can't be predicted with any kinda certainty, unless we have names of opponent, manner of victory and the weight division.

[brown bomber]

Hopkins is no mosley..... That is an insult to mosley