Should Hatton license be revoked 4 his fighting style?

[Expert]

I think so.

[Bazooka]

They didnt get rid of Ruiz why should they Hatton?

[Decebal]

No if running is acceptable, so is the prevention of it.

:lol:

[brooklyn1550]

No

[IntentionalButt]

They didnt get rid of Ruiz why should they Hatton?

it's never too late to set precedents of justice. :yep

[Jack]

Give me some examples of the referees docking points because of his holding.

You fucking moron.

IT. IS. LEGAL.

Do you want to ban boxers who jab, too?

[dwilson]

Yeah you sahouldnt be abler to stop puffs like pbf running away all the time

[IntentionalButt]

Yeah you sahouldnt be abler to stop puffs like pbf running away all the time

you should be able to cut the ring off, and time them when they potshot.

[Bazooka]

Give me some examples of the referees docking points because of his holding.

You fucking moron.

IT. IS. LEGAL.

Do you want to ban boxers who jab, too?

Look the point is early on in the first round Cortez warned him three times in fact he actually told him " this isnt wrestling" and in rounds 2 3 and 4 it continued with out any points yet Castillo losses a point for hitting on the belt line which Cortez clearly stated that Hattons cup was a little high and that Castillo had the waste band area.
anyhow they should have took a point but didnt

[IntentionalButt]

Give me some examples of the referees docking points because of his holding.

You fucking moron.

IT. IS. LEGAL.

Do you want to ban boxers who jab, too?

'excessive holding' is subjective. just because refs have let shit slide doesn't mean there isn't room to interpret the strategy of throwing one or two punches coming in and then clasping your arms around the target as excessive holding. i'm not saying it's a dq-able offense, but a ref would be within their rights to call him on it. the appropriate way to do it would be to give a couple of warnings the first couple of times, then deduct a point if it kept up.

[Boinko]

If indeed Hatton's techniques are illegal, then it's up to the referees to take action during the fight.
Yes, there was a warning for holding in the first round last night, but the ref was warning both fighters.

You may not like Hatton's style, but it's proven very effective for him. But, is it illegal? It might be on the edge, but so far he's never been seriously penalized for doing it, so it's obviously not looked on as being against the rules.

[nervousxtian]

It's not as much holding as wrestling for position inside. Ruiz held.

[IntentionalButt]

There is way too much love for non-Fighters nowadays. Probably due to a pussified, fatherless, primping, jewelry loving, text messaging hip hop culture of faeries coming up, more interested in Malignaggi's hair products, or PBFs spa regimen, than in Hattons training.

holding on after each individual punch shows just as much pussified fear of being hit as circling on the outside for 12 rounds. :nono

[ThePlugInBabies]

no but your internet connection should be revoked for your sheer stupidity being spread to innocent forum users all over the world.

[Shotgun]

Please. Hatton fights in a rough house style but he throws more punches in a couple rounds than John Ruiz throws in an entire fight. These must've been some pretty wicked holds to inflict that type of damage

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[Boinko]

holding on after each individual punch shows just as much pussified fear of being hit as circling on the outside for 12 rounds. :nono

Actually, you could argue that both Hatton and Mayweather employ styles that work best for them in winning fights.
Sure, you may not like it, but wouldn't it be foolish for PBF to go out and try and brawl with someone like Cotto or Hatton.
Similarly, would it make sense for Hatton to try and box with Floyd when his best chance of winning would come from him holding and mauling Mayweather.

[Jose FM]

No if running is acceptable, so is the prevention of it.
Good answer!

[nervousxtian]

Good answer!
Wrong answer!

There's this thing called cutting off the ring. If guys would learn it, they'd prevent runners who pot shot.

[dwilson]

you should be able to cut the ring off, and time them when they potshot.

you cant cut someone off who you cant catch, you should do whatever legally possible to get the win and hatton holding and punching is legal and so is pbf running.

Hatton would more than likely lose to pbf but will be remebered as a fighter who put himself on the line to win each and every fight taking lots of punishment doing so while pbf will be rembered as a great boxer who ran and ran and ran on his way to a fortune.

[BoppaZoo]

all i will say anymore is that if Jim Braddock got his license revoked for the same style has Ricky Hatton yet nothing happens to Hatton its bad news for us the fans.

all they have to do is revoke' Hattons license like Braddock's and what happened after Jimmy got his taken away from him. he actually started letting his hands go and punch's and didnt need to clinch to get by.

all i will say is im sick to death of fights like

Taylor vs Spinks or anyone
PBF vs ODH or anyone
Hatton Vs Urango or anyone lately

even Winky Wright wants me to fall to sleep.

The last few fights ive watched ive found myself helling at the TV out loud just F-ING throw some punch's or just let your hands go.

[MagnificentMatt]

I enjoyed the fight...I dont enjoy Ruiz fights.....So i think its fine :-)

[grayggr]

It's not as much holding as wrestling for position inside. Ruiz held.

I completely agree. Hatton is always working the inside it's how he fights. His opponents are aware of it and can never deal with it. He is always throwing punches whilst inside, whether brutal uppercuts (see the Kostya fight), or eye popping bodyshots (see any fight of Hatton's).

The only times that I agree his holding was excessive was in the Collazo and Urango fights. Against Collazo he was clearly not at his best and hung on to avoid being KO'd in the final round (although he was still trying to get some shots off), and against Urango he ditched his jab and move style that worked for the first half of the fight and became embroiled in a clinch fest with the Incredible Hulk!!! I didn't like these instances because there was no volume of work from Hatton.

Last night there was a huge volume of work, nothing illegal at all. Castillo was at it as well. View the Corrales - Castillo fights and see how much the refs have to intervene when the guys go in close. When that style is being used then holding, smothering is bound to occur.

[boxfan99]

Of course he shouldn't have his license revoked. If he is breaking any rules it is the refs responsability to act upon it.

[Cookie]

:lol:

This is hilarious. Considering boxing is one of the manliest sports around, the fans sure are fucking cry babies.

[Beebs]

Yea, his style of beating the shit out of people should be banned, this great sport should be reduced to playing tag and running, no physical contact and no punching with the intent to hurt. Go cry some more.

[BoppaZoo]

:lol:

This is hilarious. Considering boxing is one of the manliest sports around, the fans sure are fucking cry babies.yeah well some of us true fans want to see two guys fight not hug each other to death.

the Ricky Hatton i saw against Phillips was a beast a true throwback type guy.
the fighter that is now known as the Manchester Mexican or whatever fights more like John Ruiz everytime i watch him.

It is more frustrating than ever with them having to much pressure on them to win because one loss could mean the end of his career.
im frustrated because i dont want to pay money to watch the fights we get these days.
the best fight ive seen so far this year was Zab Judah and Miguel Cotto and why was it good because both men are'nt affraid of that loss in there record.

you can call me a sook but i laugh straight back at you for paying money to watch these dud fights that HBO keep puting together.

[markbrooklyn]

Yes he should have his license revoked, he's a cheater and ALWAYS holds and hits

[Deebo]

Should Hatton license be revoked 4 his fighting style?

Only if you revoke Ali's, Whitaker's, and Leonard's. Hatton's no John Ruiz. :lol:

[Lance_Uppercut]

Revoke his license? Are you that fuckin stupid?

[Beebs]

yeah well some of us true fans want to see two guys fight not hug each other to death.


Yea, he hugged JLC right out of the fight in less than 12 minutes. Hugs did it, it was fucking hugs that ruined one of the toughest boxers alive liver to the point that he couldn't continue on, getting counted out for the first time in 64 fights over 17 years, hugs, it was fucking hugs.

Honestly open you mind, you have it in your head that he is John Ruiz so you refuse to notice the fact that he is inflicting huge damage on the inside.

He just stopped a man with one Bodyshot that has never been counted out in his entire carreer, including two wars with one of the biggest pfp punchers at the time.

Hatton comes to hurt you in every way he can think of.

[David UK]

Yes.Give someone else a chance!!

[BoppaZoo]

Yea, he hugged JLC right out of the fight in less than 12 minutes. Hugs did it, it was fucking hugs that ruined one of the toughest boxers alive liver to the point that he couldn't continue on, getting counted out for the first time in 64 fights over 17 years, hugs, it was fucking hugs.

Honestly open you mind, you have it in your head that he is John Ruiz so you refuse to notice the fact that he is inflicting huge damage on the inside.

He just stopped a man with one Bodyshot that has never been counted out in his entire carreer, including two wars with one of the biggest pfp punchers at the time.

Hatton comes to hurt you in every way he can think of.well all i will say is wait untill his next fight were he fights someone that is say more Hatton's size and is quicker than Hatton.

look Hatton was ok but he isnt as great as his nuthugging fans make him out to be.
i mean shit he steps up to Welterweight against a guy like Collazo (who) and gets schooled hangs on for dear life and yet you would have us believe Hatton is the second comming of Duran when he couldnt hold Duran's jockstrap.

if Hatton is the man why no Cotto yet, why no Witter, why no Mosley hell why no PBF.

[cuchulain]

Give me some examples of the referees docking points because of his holding.

You fucking moron.

IT. IS. LEGAL.

Do you want to ban boxers who jab, too?

No Jack.

Jabbing is legal.

Holding is also legal.

EXCESSIVE holding is illegal, but the term excessive is subjective and so this rule is rarely enforced, other than by warnings.

Hatton should definitely NOT lose his license, but he should be warned, point deducted, another point deducted and DQd if he persists.

His style and that of Ruiz is illegal and he gets away with it.

If his fight with Tszyu had been properly reffed and the rules enforced, it would have been a different fight.

There are no rules that I know of re: 'running'.

[Bazooka]

I think he should just stay in England where that kind of fighting is accepted, comming over here pulling that shit is not going to help him make a name for himself, if he continues to fight like that against top opposition he will lose fans even fans at home.
Hatton has potential but that potential has only shown in fights of which he did alot of holding.

[Lacyace]

Maybe Hatton should become a wrestler?

[IntentionalButt]

If Hattons style flies in the UK, and PBF/Cory Spinks/Andre Dirrel style become acceptable in the US, I may become the only Arizonian with SKYTV.

as i said before, six of one and half a dozen of the other. if you think avoiding punishment by circling on the outside and potshotting is cowardly, you need to admit that clinching after every short volley when in range is equally cowardly, as it serves the same purpose: minimizing any chance of being hit and going out of one's way to avoid toe-to-toe punching where accuracy, instincts, intelligence, timing, speed, and power are (rightly) what get rewarded.

[cuchulain]

I think he should just stay in England where that kind of fighting is accepted, comming over here pulling that shit is not going to help him make a name for himself, if he continues to fight like that against top opposition he will lose fans even fans at home.
Hatton has potential but that potential has only shown in fights of which he did alot of holding.


I don't like his fighting style either but he's no worse than Ruiz. It's not a brit thing.,

[Bazooka]

The should take his passport and do America a favor

[Decebal]

If Hattons style flies in the UK, and PBF/Cory Spinks/Andre Dirrel style become acceptable in the US, I may become the only Arizonian with SKYTV.

Damn right! One of these days Hatton will dive straight into a punch, or he'll have to keep running to get a look in...this is the only punishment that Hatton deserves; the fans should love his aggressive style!

[IntentionalButt]

I like to watch fights,not dances.

that's not an answer to what i said. yes or no, that sort of holding serves the same purpose as running (avoiding being hit at all costs - at the risk of honest, crowd-pleasing exchanges)? yes or no, this makes both styles equally cowardly and unappealing?

[David UK]

I think he should just stay in England where that kind of fighting is accepted, comming over here pulling that shit is not going to help him make a name for himself, if he continues to fight like that against top opposition he will lose fans even fans at home.
Hatton has potential but that potential has only shown in fights of which he did alot of holding.

He's going to be offered a three fight HBO deal worth 10million,not sure if $ or £.

[Shotgun]

that's not an answer to what i said. yes or no, that sort of holding serves the same purpose as running (avoiding being hit at all costs - at the risk of honest, crowd-pleasing exchanges)? yes or no, this makes both styles equally cowardly and unappealing?
Hatton's holding aside from against Urango was not defensive. He bulls his way in and bullies his opponent, and still throws punches while the clinching is happening by the way. His mauling is much more for the purpose of tiring his opponent out than because he's afraid of getting hit, and in every fight where there was much holding save Urango, which admittedly was a turd of a fight, his opponent held just as much as he did

[IntentionalButt]

Hatton's holding aside from against Urango was not defensive. He bulls his way in and bullies his opponent, and still throws punches while the clinching is happening by the way. His mauling is much more for the purpose of tiring his opponent out than because he's afraid of getting hit, and in every fight where there was much holding save Urango, which admittedly was a turd of a fight, his opponent held just as much as he did
well what the hell else are you going to do when somebody's attempting to hold+hit you nonstop, other than try to neutralize this tactic by holding his arms down? he almost always initiates the clinches, and it's always right after he throws a punch, which negates any possibility of a counter, so i would argue it is a defensive measure, even if it does as a bonus serve additional offensive purposes ie wearing the opponent down.

[Decebal]

what can the referee do if someone holds too much? Can he take a point off?

[IntentionalButt]

what can the referee do if someone holds too much? Can he take a point off? after an appropriate sequence of warnings.

[Decebal]

after an appropriate sequence of warnings.

so why did he not do that?

[Shotgun]

well what the hell else are you going to do when somebody's attempting to hold+hit you nonstop, other than try to neutralize this tactic by holding his arms down? he almost always initiates the clinches, and it's always right after he throws a punch, which negates any possibility of a counter, so i would argue it is a defensive measure, even if it does as a bonus serve additional offensive purposes ie wearing the opponent down.
Yeah but a true defensive holding artist is someone like Ruiz or even Ali, who would clinch when their opponent got in range in hopes of the ref breaking them up, and repeating it over and over without throwing damaging punches during the clinching. Except against Urango where apparently Hatton was sick and in any case was not peak form at all, he's never done this frequently, and often when the ref doesn't step in and break it up, one of two things happen, one Hatton keeps punching and leaning on the opponent and they work their way out of it, or the opponent clinches and totally stops the action and the ref breaks it. The only time I've seen Hatton blatantly clinch repeatedly in a defensive fashion was against Urango, and I've already voiced my discontent, it was a terrible fight, but Hatton still won it walking away

[IntentionalButt]

so why did he not do that?

off night i guess, since his refusal to assert himself in this regard was neither fair nor firm. :yep

[Expert]

after an appropriate sequence of warnings.

after how many warnings? Have you seen it happening? I havent honestly.

[Decebal]

Look a lot of you guys aren't fans of Hatton's style, but its legal. Its not like he just holds, he puts in work in and out of his holds. I commend him for finding a style that has worked so effectively for him. It might have been boring to watch last night, but only because it was over so fast. Had that fight gone ten or twelve rounds i'm sure everyone wouldn't be complaining.

:good