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USA_Pugilist
09-19-2009, 10:34 AM
What are some bad habits that people new to the sport make.

Along the lines of not tucking the chin or not moving your head.

Perky300
09-19-2009, 10:38 AM
i help coach new people in my club and somthings i see is hands low, throwing lots and lots of punches when shadow boxing like 10 punch combos when really in a fight you aint gonna be doin anythin like that

they dont move their head and ignore the jab

but i'm talking about beginners who are just puttin the gloves on for the very first time

USA_Pugilist
09-19-2009, 10:40 AM
i help coach new people in my club and somthings i see is hands low, throwing lots and lots of punches when shadow boxing like 10 punch combos when really in a fight you aint gonna be doin anythin like that

they dont move their head and ignore the jab

but i'm talking about beginners who are just puttin the gloves on for the very first time
Yeah i see new boxers doing that stuff but what about your more intermediate guys?

Perky300
09-19-2009, 10:45 AM
Yeah i see new boxers doing that stuff but what about your more intermediate guys?

head movement, hands up but when throwing the jab it doesn't come straight back to the cheek goes to the cheek via the waist in an arching fashion if that makes sense?

also once they get under pressure they stand and trade insted of thinking and boxing like they get tagged and insted of thinkin how to out box they just panic and throw throw throw

what do you see with your guys?

USA_Pugilist
09-19-2009, 10:49 AM
head movement, hands up but when throwing the jab it doesn't come straight back to the cheek goes to the cheek via the waist in an arching fashion if that makes sense?

also once they get under pressure they stand and trade insted of thinking and boxing like they get tagged and insted of thinkin how to out box they just panic and throw throw throw

what do you see with your guys?
I currently dont have a gym right now that i go to(i live in a rural area at the moment) but at the old gym the things i saw the most were people trying to throw their way out of a situation. Like you said when they panic they let their hands go to get out of a situation rather than box up.

Also another big one our trainer always harped on was to stop pausing when you are looking for angles. There were some tall fighters at the gym who would lurk around looking for angles but would plant and move there head down and keep it there waiting for an oppurtunity instead of making an oppurtunity.

bobalachko
09-19-2009, 11:49 AM
I keep fixing the shorts and headgear it bugs me.

RDJ
09-19-2009, 02:30 PM
The most common thing I see is sticking out the elbows on straight punches, it telegraphs horribly. You should be able to let your shoulder touch a wall, and punch along that wall without your elbow touching it.

elTerrible
09-19-2009, 03:38 PM
I dont know anything about amateurs, but on the pros I see alot of them will adjust their trunks constantly and lower there hands to do so making them vulnerable. Also some of them like to wipe their face with their gloves but it can put their arms out of position for a second to do so.

SouthpawSlayer
09-19-2009, 06:26 PM
I keep fixing the shorts and headgear it bugs me.

ok, shorts i can deal with personally i dont like my shorts travelling up my ass but i never touch my headguard unless it gets badly moved (which it shouldnt when on correctly), i train with a 16 year old intermediate hw, 3rd best in his weight last season and evertime he takes a shot he touches his headguard even ifits a jab, bad habit imo it lets the opponent know your shot rgistered and the judges will cop on to this, try keep a poker face even when your seeing stars :good

The most common thing I see is sticking out the elbows on straight punches, it telegraphs horribly. You should be able to let your shoulder touch a wall, and punch along that wall without your elbow touching it.

great way to enforce keeping your straights STRAIGHT, i might show that to the younger lads, all novices are hooking machines

achillesthegreat
09-19-2009, 06:49 PM
I find it shocking that a fighter can have his feet wrongly positioned, not have bent knees, not be tucked up behind a high guard while keeping his chin low. That is the first lesson, the basics, the fundamentals, the foundation, the base, the core, EVERYTHING WORKS OFF OF THAT. If you got that wrong then EVERYTHING GOES WRONG!!!

SouthpawSlayer
09-19-2009, 07:49 PM
I find it shocking that a fighter can have his feet wrongly positioned, not have bent knees, not be tucked up behind a high guard while keeping his chin low. That is the first lesson, the basics, the fundamentals, the foundation, the base, the core, EVERYTHING WORKS OFF OF THAT. If you got that wrong then EVERYTHING GOES WRONG!!!

we all know the bad habits raw novices make but the thread is better off if we hear the bad habits even experienced fighters make like angulo bouncing on his toes during a little lull in action, some fighters put their mouthpiece out a bit to get extra air shit like that

sam1222
09-19-2009, 09:20 PM
I notice a lot of young guys new to boxing will close their eyes and turn away from punches in sparring. but you get used to it dont ya.

Personally, i have a habit of lowering my head when i lunge in, but the butts are never intentional (honest :D) but i also try rub my head across their face in clinches. i shave my head, and i do this when it has a day or so's growth and i know it stings like fuck.

I know its a cunt's trick but i cant help it, especially when i'm tired.

RDJ
09-19-2009, 09:37 PM
great way to enforce keeping your straights STRAIGHT, i might show that to the younger lads, all novices are hooking machines

It's a great exercise for new guys, you can tell them 1000 times not to lift up the elbows, but a concrete wall makes the point much better. The closer you stand to the wall, the straighter and less telegraphed your punch will be.

I do it regularly myself as well, and I move along the wall as I punch. A very narrow corridor (stance width) would be perfect.

achillesthegreat
09-19-2009, 09:51 PM
we all know the bad habits raw novices make but the thread is better off if we hear the bad habits even experienced fighters make like angulo bouncing on his toes during a little lull in action, some fighters put their mouthpiece out a bit to get extra air shit like that

these are bad habits that the best fighters in the world have and it astounds me.

bouncing is another one that gets me. you are simply putting yourself out of position. bouncing can only be accepted when out of range and trying to flush the lactic acid in your legs.

SouthpawSlayer
09-19-2009, 09:55 PM
hatton used to do that thing kind of like cupping his right hand into his left pushing his hand more into teh glove and got caught a few times when doing it back in his wbu days, he was doing it up until the malignaggi fight. you know what im on about?

demolish¢
09-19-2009, 11:00 PM
low hands

Perky300
09-20-2009, 09:33 AM
the mistake i made in my last couple of fights was duckin...shoving my head down when a punch comes so my eyes aint on my oppponent but the floor....kept gettin warned by the ref and couldn't see his next punches coming or counter.....such a bad thing to do !!

i've obviously been trying to work on it....so fingers crossed next time it wont be the same

achillesthegreat
09-20-2009, 12:20 PM
hatton used to do that thing kind of like cupping his right hand into his left pushing his hand more into teh glove and got caught a few times when doing it back in his wbu days, he was doing it up until the malignaggi fight. you know what im on about?

he always used to do that, like the glove doesn't fit properly.

brown bomber
09-20-2009, 04:04 PM
Everythings a bad habit till you get it right. Worst I see- not turning into your left hook. Step to the left EVERY time you punch. Throwing a one two but not putting your weight onto the left knee. Not bending legs enough. Bending legs too much. Crossing feet when moving..... Fuck me there's millions more.

scrap
09-20-2009, 08:28 PM
Interestingly you cant move your Head without loosing Balance Fact

achillesthegreat
09-21-2009, 08:40 AM
Interestingly you cant move your Head without loosing Balance Fact

This is partially true but if you bob or pull back (step back with your rear foot while doing so ala Mayweather) then your weight is still evenly distributed between your feet.

brown bomber
09-21-2009, 04:31 PM
Interestingly you cant move your Head without loosing Balance FactI can. Bend your legs- not your back

scrap
09-21-2009, 05:06 PM
Correct to Both of you :good

thejokerswild
09-21-2009, 05:31 PM
I'm not overly experienced.

apparently i bounce too much and basically move too much when tensed up. It makes the match very awkward i hear. plus it can gas me out pretty quick

over extending the jab. this one i am having trouble fixing. anyone been there before?

there are a couple others.

achillesthegreat
09-21-2009, 05:52 PM
I'm not overly experienced.

apparently i bounce too much and basically move too much when tensed up. It makes the match very awkward i hear. plus it can gas me out pretty quick

over extending the jab. this one i am having trouble fixing. anyone been there before?

there are a couple others.

sounding like ali. both easily fixable.

tony mush
09-21-2009, 06:10 PM
sounding like ali. both easily fixable.
he'll get a big head now

thejokerswild
09-21-2009, 08:51 PM
don't worry, the bigger my head the easier it is to hit

i am no muhammad ali mate!!

curly
09-22-2009, 05:09 AM
Flinching

Not bringing your hands back quickly enough

VanillaKilla
09-28-2009, 03:42 AM
Interestingly you cant move your Head without loosing Balance Fact

You wont ever get perfect balance, but there are things you can do to help. Remember a slip, is somewhat like doing a squat. Back somewhat straight, and dont let your knees go too past your feet. So your basically squatting halfway and just tipping your hand, glancingly. to avoid the punch like by an inch.

The biggest mistake i see people doing is defensive moves with no reasoning behind them (just fear)... Like, a guy will side step a rush, or slip a right hand... and then do nothing :patsch

remember, everytime you step to the left or right, or slip/duck.... you always want to throw a punch RIGHT after. Because your slip shouldnt be thought of as an evasion..... no its more like your opening up your opponents guard.

Dont think when you slip

Thank god i dodged that one

You gotta think, Oh shit, hes open, Here i come from the side

I gotta say, senseless/bouncy footwork or headmovment is the most common trait i see

The Predator
09-28-2009, 05:31 AM
Another thing i´ve seen a lot of boxers do. Under pressure, they can´t handle them selfes and closes their eyes when punches coming towards them. That aint gonna help them, it´s gonna do it even worse.

Mohak
09-29-2009, 11:40 PM
After the 1-2 dropping your hands to waist level. Classic mistake.

Pugsley
09-30-2009, 01:07 PM
It just seems that no matter how experienced, still there are people who hook and expose their chin, throw shots that over-reach, and bounce too much. They get carried away with combos and forget their proper form -defense compromised. Sometimes you see two flurrying at each other back and forth in turns, or they throw punches without REALLY looking. I am not talking strictly about BEGINNERS. Generally just not completing motions properly or having a strategy that plays out over time. Emotions and adrenaline are good but you cant always bank on it.

achillesthegreat
09-30-2009, 03:49 PM
After the 1-2 dropping your hands to waist level. Classic mistake.

Never understood what is so complicated about recoiling a punch to where it started - covering your cheeks!

I hate it when boxing is made difficult with such basic errors.

thejokerswild
09-30-2009, 09:03 PM
You wont ever get perfect balance, but there are things you can do to help. Remember a slip, is somewhat like doing a squat. Back somewhat straight, and dont let your knees go too past your feet. So your basically squatting halfway and just tipping your hand, glancingly. to avoid the punch like by an inch.

The biggest mistake i see people doing is defensive moves with no reasoning behind them (just fear)... Like, a guy will side step a rush, or slip a right hand... and then do nothing :patsch

remember, everytime you step to the left or right, or slip/duck.... you always want to throw a punch RIGHT after. Because your slip shouldnt be thought of as an evasion..... no its more like your opening up your opponents guard.

Dont think when you slip

Thank god i dodged that one

You gotta think, Oh shit, hes open, Here i come from the side

I gotta say, senseless/bouncy footwork or headmovment is the most common trait i see
I have to say this is good advice. Because I move around alot Im now realizing a lot of angles and can catch him from underneath or from the side. The orthodox guard is pretty flimsy when not taken head on from it's intended blocking direction. (did that make sense?)

I'm encouraged to just sit there and work out the punches as theyre coming at me rather than evade with movement and counter. Do you think moving around a lot is a good thing for boxing?

Pugsley
10-01-2009, 01:31 AM
Its also made easier when you're not the guy making those errors!! :bbb

Never understood what is so complicated about recoiling a punch to where it started - covering your cheeks!

I hate it when boxing is made difficult with such basic errors.