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Axl_Nose
09-19-2009, 02:05 PM
I went down to the bookies yesterday and put 4 grand on Floyd to win, i got 2/9 .. I told Keith my bookie that he may aswell pay me now so we save each other some time on Monday ..
Some people in the boxing fraternity are working out ways that Marquez can win but i see it as near impossible, if that word can ever be used in sport then this is the occasion. Marquez is a brilliant fighter and im a huge fan of his, in fact i think he's a better fighter than Morales or Barrera in they're prime, but he's taking on Floyd Mayweather, who like him or not stands beside Roy Jones as the greatest fighter of the last 25 years .. Floyd is 32, always in top shape and a true natural talent that would grace any era of boxing and be successful. Floyd is way out of Marquez's league. If Mayweather was taking on an early 90's Pernell Whitaker or the Mosley of the first Oscar fight then we'd be talking about a different story but hes fighting Marquez, who doesnt have lightning speed and he doesnt have dynamite power, the only 2 things that would trouble Floyd ..
I wanted to pick a round and get better odds for a lower stake but Floyd's attitude put me off, if he comes out and wants to put on a show so that he gets the 50/50 cut for Pac then this fight could end within 5 rounds, if Floyd is content to just pick Marquez apart and run out a slick UD winner then that will be disappointing.
Either way, backing a Mayweather win at the bookies is like buying money, even if Floyd breaks his hand in the first round he's still going to win. Backing Marquez to beat Mayweather is like backing Joe Calzaghe to beat a late '90s Roy Jones, at best a fanciful thought, at worst an obvious case of insanity ..
If for some reason the gods are smiling on Marquez and he somehow wins, then i'll cut my nuts off with a rusty spoon on national television, but it aint gonna happen people ..

Floyd to stop Marquez in 9 ..

When i win my bet then im going to use that as my stake for Arreola v Klitschko next week .... A few weeks ago i had a very vivid dream that Arreola would knock out Vitali with a left hand, Vitali backs Arreola to the ropes and then Arreola just swings a left that takes him out .. Its not very logical but i never dream things like this and these kinds of spooky things happen, i'd never forgive myself if i didnt back it especially as Arreola will probably be around 7/1 ..

lucatoni08
09-19-2009, 02:08 PM
I went down to the bookies yesterday and put 4 grand on Floyd to win, i got 2/9 .. I told Keith my bookie that he may aswell pay me now so we save each other some time on Monday ..
Some people in the boxing fraternity are working out ways that Marquez can win but i see it as near impossible, if that word can ever be used in sport then this is the occasion. Marquez is a brilliant fighter and im a huge fan of his, in fact i think he's a better fighter than Morales or Barrera in they're prime, but he's taking on Floyd Mayweather, who like him or not stands beside Roy Jones as the greatest fighter of the last 25 years .. Floyd is 32, always in top shape and a true natural talent that would grace any era of boxing and be successful. Floyd is way out of Marquez's league. If Mayweather was taking on an early 90's Pernell Whitaker or the Mosley of the first Oscar fight then we'd be talking about a different story but hes fighting Marquez, who doesnt have lightning speed and he doesnt have dynamite power, the only 2 things that would trouble Floyd ..
I wanted to pick a round and get better odds for a lower stake but Floyd's attitude put me off, if he comes out and wants to put on a show so that he gets the 50/50 cut for Pac then this fight could end within 5 rounds, if Floyd is content to just pick Marquez apart and run out a slick UD winner then that will be disappointing.
Either way, backing a Mayweather win at the bookies is like buying money, even if Floyd breaks his hand in the first round he's still going to win. Backing Marquez to beat Mayweather is like backing Joe Calzaghe to beat a late '90s Roy Jones, at best a fanciful thought, at worst an obvious case of insanity ..
If for some reason the gods are smiling on Marquez and he somehow wins, then i'll cut my nuts off with a rusty spoon on national television, but it aint gonna happen people ..

Floyd to stop Marquez in 9 ..

When i win my bet then im going to use that as my stake for Arreola v Klitschko next week .... A few weeks ago i had a very vivid dream that Arreola would knock out Vitali with a left hand, Vitali backs Arreola to the ropes and then Arreola just swings a left that takes him out .. Its not very logical but i never dream things like this and these kinds of spooky things happen, i'd never forgive myself if i didnt back it especially as Arreola will probably be around 7/1 ..
I always find, as a general rule of thumb that if you know your bookie by his first name its never good news....

digregorio1.
09-19-2009, 02:11 PM
i dreamt once that i shared a bed with 3 members of girls aloud...


if only dreams came true

BamBam
09-19-2009, 02:14 PM
And a grand at 2/9 is a nothing bet. Not enough value in there. You'd want to be sticking on at lest five grand to make it worth your while because, despite what you say, if something unforseen like a broken hand in the first round occurs then your £222 quid possible profit on your £1000 bet doesn't look so clever as you're not getting any value for the risk.

Also, to use all your own logic as to why PBF is a lock then start talking about lumping on Arreola because of a dream makes me think your bookie is probably quite happy to be on first name terms with you

El Cepillo
09-19-2009, 02:18 PM
Marquez will shock the world.

TFFP
09-19-2009, 02:20 PM
And a grand at 2/9 is a nothing bet. Not enough value in there. You'd want to be sticking on at lest five grand to make it worth your while because, despite what you say, if something unforseen like a broken hand in the first round occurs then your £222 quid possible profit on your £1000 bet doesn't look so clever as you're not getting any value for the risk.

Also, to use all your own logic as to why PBF is a lock then start talking about lumping on Arreola because of a dream makes me think your bookie is probably quite happy to be on first name terms with you
:lol:

4 grand. You are a brave brave man. Biggest I ever bet was £800.

Leather_Face
09-19-2009, 02:21 PM
This is nonsense
If your so confident about the knockout why risk 4 grand at 2/9 when you could have a much smaller bet on the knockout at 9/4?

And you could have got better odds then 2/9 anyway!

BamBam
09-19-2009, 02:28 PM
The most confusing part of it all is getting the stake right and putting together all this logic and then, as LeatherFace points out, not laying off on the KO at 9/4 with a smaller stake. You could easily split the bet and come out ahead either way if you did the maths.
especially if you trade on Betfair where some fool will always give you a stupid price.

If I was sticking 4k on anything I'd want something a lot closer to evens.

El Cepillo
09-19-2009, 02:33 PM
:lol:

4 grand. You are a brave brave man. Biggest I ever bet was £800.

Was that on a boxing match, if so which one?

TFFP
09-19-2009, 02:38 PM
Was that on a boxing match, if so which one?
Calzaghe/Kessler.

Though my biggest profit was 300 on Casamayor over Katsidis :yep

4 grand though..shit. I couldn't bare watch.

BamBam
09-19-2009, 02:43 PM
You have to have the money to lose. Sounds obvious but its not as hard to swallow if the money you stake is real disposable cash. I lost 10k on a football match once that was a right bastard because the team I backed to win at 9/4 missed a pen with about 10 minutes left. It was a real choker but I had the money to lose because I'd won a shed load of cash the week before.

Anyway, prices on boxing are usually shite

mike464
09-19-2009, 02:43 PM
Did you really put 4 grand on? Wow.

I put £20 on Mayweather by KO. I bet on a lot of fights but the most I've bet was £60 on Pac to beat Hatton.

skel1983
09-19-2009, 02:47 PM
4k at 2/9 wat a mug!!

Keep gambling like that and you will be broke mate.

mike464
09-19-2009, 02:51 PM
4k at 2/9 wat a mug!!

Keep gambling like that and you will be broke mate.Well if Floyd is more than 82% likely to win the fight it's a good bet.

Losfer_Words
09-19-2009, 02:51 PM
I thought long and hard about placing a bet. In the end I decided it was a go- the odds were too good to pass up, IMO. So, I put the big money on a PBF UD. I'm so confident that the figure I bet is a shade over 800:yep. Watch as I rake it in, fellas:yep:deal.
























Amittedly it's was on Boxpicks and not real money. Four Grand!:shock: Jesus! Like TFFP said, I couldn't watch!

TFFP
09-19-2009, 02:54 PM
I thought long and hard about placing a bet. In the end I decided it was a go- the odds were too good to pass up, IMO. So, I put the big money on a PBF UD. I'm so confident that the figure I bet is a shade over 800:yep. Watch as I rake it in, fellas:yep:deal.
























Amittedly it's was on Boxpicks and not real money. Four Grand!:shock: Jesus! Like TFFP said, I couldn't watch!
:rofl You pussy you.

I put 1000 on Mayweather by decision and 23k on Mayweather to win outright.

Losfer_Words
09-19-2009, 02:58 PM
:rofl You pussy you.

I put 1000 on Mayweather by decision and 23k on Mayweather to win outright.

:lol:

I got stung very big on the Fury outcome the other week so I shall be very tentative for a while as I don't have so many coins to play with:lol:.

mike464
09-19-2009, 03:11 PM
I put 100k on Mayweather by KO, 500k on Mayweather on points, 50k on Marquez by KO and 100k on Marquez points. Oh and 10k on the draw just in case.

gallardo
09-19-2009, 04:12 PM
£4k!

If you're on first name terms with your bookie, you must be a regular.

Tell me, over the last 12 months have you made a net loss or profit from your bets? I'm not trying to find out how much you've made, but i'm just curious about the losses when you're placing serious money on the line. :/

That said....Mayweather's gonna win.

gallardo
09-19-2009, 04:14 PM
I put 100k on Mayweather by KO, 500k on Mayweather on points, 50k on Marquez by KO and 100k on Marquez points. Oh and 10k on the draw just in case.


WTF?????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is this a joke?

Dan684
09-19-2009, 04:15 PM
:rofl

He means pretend money on the wesite 'boxpicks' :lol:

SouthpawSlayer
09-19-2009, 04:39 PM
how soon this thread turned to shit, damn whats next

4 grand for the benefit of about a grand, you must have some chillings axl nose, very good bet imo, floyds inactivity is the only worry for you although the extra 2 pounds he secured for himself was just a double make sure i win, your 4 grand is safe

sitiyzal
09-19-2009, 04:51 PM
One guy started a thread at boxrec saying he was betting £2k on Castillo to beat Hatton, then after the fight admitted he was full of shit. Loser.

Mr. V.I.P.
09-19-2009, 05:12 PM
Tonight is the most I have ever bet. 100 quid in floyd. I did seriously consider putting my entire student finance on the fight. 3500 but if I lost I would get so fucked its unreal.

kosaros
09-19-2009, 05:13 PM
1000 on Floyd by stoppage.

Dan684
09-19-2009, 05:42 PM
Tonight is the most I have ever bet. 100 quid in floyd. I did seriously consider putting my entire student finance on the fight. 3500 but if I lost I would get so fucked its unreal.

Same here

gallardo
09-19-2009, 06:09 PM
Did you watch the weigh-in? Nuff said.

This is the biggest mismatch of the year. What a joke. OTP is totally right with the thread title.

Bonavena25
09-19-2009, 06:22 PM
I think Hopkins is the only boxer that has provided consistent value over the years.

radab
09-19-2009, 06:33 PM
I went down to the bookies yesterday and put 4 grand on Floyd to win, i got 2/9 .. I told Keith my bookie that he may aswell pay me now so we save each other some time on Monday ..
Some people in the boxing fraternity are working out ways that Marquez can win but i see it as near impossible, if that word can ever be used in sport then this is the occasion. Marquez is a brilliant fighter and im a huge fan of his, in fact i think he's a better fighter than Morales or Barrera in they're prime, but he's taking on Floyd Mayweather, who like him or not stands beside Roy Jones as the greatest fighter of the last 25 years .. Floyd is 32, always in top shape and a true natural talent that would grace any era of boxing and be successful. Floyd is way out of Marquez's league. If Mayweather was taking on an early 90's Pernell Whitaker or the Mosley of the first Oscar fight then we'd be talking about a different story but hes fighting Marquez, who doesnt have lightning speed and he doesnt have dynamite power, the only 2 things that would trouble Floyd ..
I wanted to pick a round and get better odds for a lower stake but Floyd's attitude put me off, if he comes out and wants to put on a show so that he gets the 50/50 cut for Pac then this fight could end within 5 rounds, if Floyd is content to just pick Marquez apart and run out a slick UD winner then that will be disappointing.
Either way, backing a Mayweather win at the bookies is like buying money, even if Floyd breaks his hand in the first round he's still going to win. Backing Marquez to beat Mayweather is like backing Joe Calzaghe to beat a late '90s Roy Jones, at best a fanciful thought, at worst an obvious case of insanity ..
If for some reason the gods are smiling on Marquez and he somehow wins, then i'll cut my nuts off with a rusty spoon on national television, but it aint gonna happen people ..

Floyd to stop Marquez in 9 ..

When i win my bet then im going to use that as my stake for Arreola v Klitschko next week .... A few weeks ago i had a very vivid dream that Arreola would knock out Vitali with a left hand, Vitali backs Arreola to the ropes and then Arreola just swings a left that takes him out .. Its not very logical but i never dream things like this and these kinds of spooky things happen, i'd never forgive myself if i didnt back it especially as Arreola will probably be around 7/1 ..



sadly, i have to agree with most of your post

but the highlighted parts are bullshit

icemax
09-19-2009, 06:36 PM
The day I see a bookmaker riding a bike instead of driving a toip of the range Merc is the day I start gambling...mugs game

Axl_Nose
09-19-2009, 07:18 PM
This is nonsense
If your so confident about the knockout why risk 4 grand at 2/9 when you could have a much smaller bet on the knockout at 9/4?

And you could have got better odds then 2/9 anyway!

Im not confident of a Mayweather ko simply because of his attitude, hes the kind of fighter that will take an easy points victory if its too easy for him ..

Im hoping Floyd thinks about 'legacy' and takes advantage of his natural skills ..... My bet was based on a knowledge of Floyds attitude, and its too difficult to pick rounds with this guy. Floyd will do what he wants with Marquez, hes an artist ..

Axl_Nose
09-19-2009, 07:19 PM
I always find, as a general rule of thumb that if you know your bookie by his first name its never good news....

Brilliant point, ive gone down so many times on the horses .. But this aint horses, this is an obvious man o man .. Floyd will toy with Marquez and then decide when he stops him ....

Axl_Nose
09-19-2009, 07:23 PM
:lol:

4 grand. You are a brave brave man. Biggest I ever bet was £800.

TFFP im not even worried about this bet .. I bet on every major fight but this is money in the bank .. It is in effect, buying money .. Marquez cannot beat Mayweather .. The only thing that is slightly worrying me is betting nearly a thousand quid on Arreola beating Vitali on the basis of a dream .... Even i think im nuts doing that .... As for Floyd v Marquez, thats already in the bag

Axl_Nose
09-19-2009, 07:29 PM
The most confusing part of it all is getting the stake right and putting together all this logic and then, as LeatherFace points out, not laying off on the KO at 9/4 with a smaller stake. You could easily split the bet and come out ahead either way if you did the maths.
especially if you trade on Betfair where some fool will always give you a stupid price.

If I was sticking 4k on anything I'd want something a lot closer to evens.

Floyd can do what he wants to do in this fight, im not that interested, i know he'll win and i want a good stake for Arreola v Vitali next week ..... Im not in anyway confident in Floyd's attitude, i think he'll stop Marquez but hes the kind of artist that may drag it out, take a breather and win it on points ..... Anybody who bets on Floyd or Roy Jones in the 90s for an actual 'round' is nuts .. These guys can do whatever they wanna do because they are so good, they are not ordinary fighters .... I would hazard a guess that Floyd will stop Marquez in 9, but i wouldnt put 4 grand on it, i wouldnt even put £50 on it .... 4 grand for Mayweather to win, knowing i'll get close to a grand is enough for me to put on Arreola .... Im not trying to get a big payday off Mayweather, its all about getting a stake for Vitali v Arreola next week ..

Axl_Nose
09-19-2009, 07:54 PM
Did you really put 4 grand on? Wow.

I put £20 on Mayweather by KO. I bet on a lot of fights but the most I've bet was £60 on Pac to beat Hatton.

Im a punter at the end of the day, but backing Mayweather in this fight is 'buying money', Marquez hasnt got a chance so you have to put big money on to make any kind of stake ...... This fight isnt even a gamble, Marquez doesnt stand a chance, it isnt even a risk ...... What im going to do next week is a risk because im going 'all in' on Chris Arreola based on a dream i had 3 weeks ago ..... Mayweather beating Marquez is the easy bit, im going on the 'supernatural' for Arreola to beat Vitali, which for a punter like me is insanity, but so im not down next week i have to bet big on a certainty which is Mayweather tonight ....

antcull
09-19-2009, 07:58 PM
Of Course this fights a gamble............stupid putting £4,000 on any boxing match.

What if Floyd gets an injury and has to retire? Do you get your money back?

What if JMM lands 1 lucky punch that opens a massive cut on Floyds face.....

What about the injury or cut or whatever it was that caused the delay....will that have an effect......How can you be so certain the same PBF will come back after nearly 2 years out

Its never a sure thing in boxing

Axl_Nose
09-19-2009, 08:01 PM
£4k!

If you're on first name terms with your bookie, you must be a regular.

Tell me, over the last 12 months have you made a net loss or profit from your bets? I'm not trying to find out how much you've made, but i'm just curious about the losses when you're placing serious money on the line. :/

That said....Mayweather's gonna win.

Gallardo, im a punter on many sports, most i lose on .. But i know boxing, boxing is a sport that you need experience, my first fight that i watched was Bruno v Witherspoon and ive watched every major fight since. Boxing is my passion and i know that Mayweather will win tonight. If i had more than 4 Grand to bet tonight i would have bet it all, but i have a family and i have to know my limits .. Betting on boxing is totally different than any other sport, its the easiest sport to make money on if you know your boxing and thats why i gamble on it with bigger stakes than any other sport .... its only casuals, or chancers that are betting on Marquez tonight .. As long as you have the balls to bet thousands on Floyd tonight then you will be ok, boxing fans need to recognise that fighters like Floyd dont get beat by guys like Marquez, its an impossibility, therefore betting on Floyd is 'buying money' ....

Axl_Nose
09-19-2009, 08:50 PM
sadly, i have to agree with most of your post

but the highlighted parts are bullshit

Your highlighted parts are the most accurate in my whole original post .. I prefer Marquez as a guy than Floyd but as a fighter you are talking about different leagues .. Calzaghe taking on a late '90s Jones and winning is also ridiculous, what do you find 'bullshit' about these points ?? Surely you dont believe Calzaghe is the equal of a prime Roy Jones Jr ?? because if you do, that is pure bullshit ..

SteelTownCobra
09-19-2009, 08:59 PM
I really, really, really, really, REALLY want Marquez to win now.

radab
09-19-2009, 08:59 PM
Your highlighted parts are the most accurate in my whole original post .. I prefer Marquez as a guy than Floyd but as a fighter you are talking about different leagues .. Calzaghe taking on a late '90s Jones and winning is also ridiculous, what do you find 'bullshit' about these points ?? Surely you dont believe Calzaghe is the equal of a prime Roy Jones Jr ?? because if you do, that is pure bullshit ..




utter bullsshit

Dan684
09-19-2009, 09:00 PM
radab please tell me your disagreeing and claim that Calzaghe was ever a match for a prime Jones ?

radab
09-19-2009, 09:01 PM
I really, really, really, really, REALLY want Marquez to win now.






Hey Cobs :)

I Marquez wins i'll let Squeezy have her way with me....

SteelTownCobra
09-19-2009, 09:02 PM
Hey Cobs :)

I Marquez wins i'll let Squeezy have her way with me....
Me too!

radab
09-19-2009, 09:05 PM
radab please tell me your disagreeing and claim that Calzaghe was ever a match for a prime Jones ?


i have more important things on my minfd tonight

i love Joe, whe'd annihilate ANY version of Glass Jaw Jones



Anyway its my man tonight

And i know hes trained his ass off for four months just to take a beating


Complete Mismatch :-(

Dan684
09-19-2009, 09:14 PM
Once again...... Your an idiot :deal

Axl_Nose
09-19-2009, 10:42 PM
I really, really, really, really, REALLY want Marquez to win now.

It aint happening bud .. You should have bet the mortgage on Floyd to win, you dont often get 'gifts' like this, but you might get another chance next year when Floyd v Pac happens and go big on Floyd, Pac against Floyd is as big a mismatch as Floyd v Marquez for people who know boxing ..

People need to understand that the only guys that 'could' beat Floyd in the last 30 years at 147 are ....

Ray Leonard
Tommy Hearns
Roberto Duran
Don Curry
Pernell Whitaker
Ike Quartey
Shane Mosley

These guys are the best of the best of the last 30 years, Marquez cannot beat Mayweather, it is an impossibility, this aint Douglas v Tyson, no shocks are possible .. Its Floyd all the way ..

I'd love to see Curry v Mayweather im convinced Don would do an absolute number on Floyd, but Curry is a million miles from Marquez ..

Axl_Nose
09-19-2009, 11:14 PM
i have more important things on my minfd tonight

i love Joe, whe'd annihilate ANY version of Glass Jaw Jones

Anyway its my man tonight

Complete Mismatch :-(



'Joe Calzaghe would annihilate any version of Roy Jones Jr' .... Thats a new one, ive never heard that before .... Your clearly a newcomer to boxing, you dont quite realise were Joe and Roy sit in the annals of boxing history .. How anybody can even come up with an argument to say Joe can beat a late '90s Roy is pretty surreal and ridiculous to me ..

Radab you know nothing about Boxing, learn more and then get back to us with your comments because as of now your posts are quite laughable ....
And i know hes trained his ass off for four months just to take a beating

Cobbler
09-20-2009, 04:19 AM
And a grand at 2/9 is a nothing bet. Not enough value in there. You'd want to be sticking on at lest five grand to make it worth your while because, despite what you say, if something unforseen like a broken hand in the first round occurs then your £222 quid possible profit on your £1000 bet doesn't look so clever as you're not getting any value for the risk.


Hahaha! Funniest betting advice ever! Who knew you could increase the value of a bet by increasing your stake?!